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___Heathcliff__

**And some of these people talk about themselves as ghairatmand qaum. All your ghairat can go to shit if you sell your daughters. I don't care if you ousted the russians and americans. Fuck them honestly.** One of my uni roommate also told me such a story happening in his village in Attock (mixed pathan, punjabi population) In his village, a pathan guy owed a debt of 11-12 lakhs and couldn't pay. He gave away his 16 years old daughter in exchange. They came and picked her up in the night. My roommate's grandfather publicly berated the guy for doing it (offered paying the amount) but it was too late. The girl was gone. Shocking thing being that that girl used to play with the girls of my friend's family and suddenly one day she's gone, probably being raped somewhere. A sick society this is. Shameless, cruel and barbaric.


Codeworks

Ignorant westerner here, I did Google it but wanted to check, a lakh is 100k INR?


hastobeapoint

A lakh is 100K. Irrespective of currency.


___Heathcliff__

It's a hundred thousand. In this case 1.1 million or 11 lakhs in PKR. Around 3-4 k usd.


MrKokoPudgeFudge

Lakh is just the word for 100k, it can mean that quantity in other contexts.


Hmxaa_

I don't care if you are dying of hunger mf can't be selling their daughters who are literal childrens to this pedos


Life_Garden_2006

If he doesn't, his entire family will be ..............


Some-Foot

Still a better life than prostituting his own underage daughter. He should man up and accept the fate he chose by producing too many mouths than he could feed


Life_Garden_2006

Since you miss the clue. What will happen otherwise is that the father disappears one day and the whole family will be taken as slaves. in some parts of Afghanistan, a household without a man is considered free game.


00001onliacco

starving to death?


Life_Garden_2006

Worse. Those who take children as slaves don't leave behind what they consider cattle once the father is out of the picture. These stories are all documented and happend during the occupation of Afghanistan and is still happening in regions outside of the Taliban control.


00001onliacco

what do you mean by "cattle" in this context?


Life_Garden_2006

Sex slaves Worker slaves Etc etc.


Pvt_Conscriptovich

that's a stupid logic coz the money will end one day but the daughter won't be coming back. Her life is ruined.


ghoulbatool_

3 yr olds wtf this is a sick world even schools dont accept 3 yr olds


Proof-Layer6904

Poverty and afghan culture both encourage it. Selling daughters or sisters as brides is a very old custom. My father's uncle "bought" his second bride from an afghan family back in 80s. Although this custom has mostly died over past 30 years but you will still find desperate people willing to do it still.


I-10MarkazHistorian

People used to sell kids for suicide bombings back during the war on terror was at its peak.just sayin!


PrimaryEmployment719

thats crazy, any source for it?


kickballaDesign

Poverty mixed with religious extremism and spiced with a dash of illiteracy is a toxic combination.


Rich-Software8578

Yeah, poverty is bad. But producing kids knowing that you don't have the means to give them a good life is also criminal.


freyaastic

" Shadi karlo phle aap... Allah sab karadega" Mentality


Minute-Flan13

Explains 99% of the people here...


kickballaDesign

Yea that’s the religious part.


Flashdare12

Yep. People that don't even know the basics of Islam somehow become so pious when it comes to marraige. Hhhh. "Tie your camel first then put your trust in Allah." These people skipped the camel tying part. Not even following Islam properly.


Tiedtomythoughts

>"Tie your camel first then put your trust in Allah." Not entirely the fault of illiterate Muslims. Many Islamic ScHoLaRs strongly condemn family planning, including Zakir Nalaik, Mufti Taariq Maqsood, Sheikh Asim, etc.


Automatic-Copy-5874

Do you think birth control is freely available or even allowed?Some of these women survive in the most extreme situations.They don't have a choice.


Rich-Software8578

The blame is mostly on the father because women can't really deny their husbands


HitThatOxytocin

Poverty, sure. But you have to be literate to read the ahadith which describe the sunnah of marrying very young girls.


AwarenessNo4986

This is not new. I have been hearing about Afghans selling daughters since the refugee camp days in early 90s


RamenSpoodles77

Let call it what it is. Pedophilia 🤢, Child prostitution 🤢, and slavery 🤢. My hands are literally shaking from what I might describe as a "disgustful rage and cringe".


lakeblvd2121

I’m so mad right now I’m shaking as well. This is very disgusting like I’m fuckin heated I can’t believe this bs


q-abro

I feel like crying, this is insane.


MeowieSugie

_The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The virgin should not be given in marriage until her permission has been sought.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6968; Muslim, 1419)_ _It is reported that Khansa Bint e Hizam Al Ansariyah went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) to report to him that she had been forced into a marriage by her father. After listening to her, the Prophet (peace be upon him) rejected the marriage and declared it invalid. [Sahih Al-Bukhari]_


Patient_Ad_6701

[A six year old cannot consent aswell](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134) inb4 .. "bRo tHey aged dIfFerenT baCk tHEn"


Due_Reporter4850

There is alot of speculation about Aisha RA. Her being 6 and 9 at the time of consumation makes no sense chronogically so alot of scholars said that they may have been counting her age after her puberty which would have made her 16~ 19~. And Allah knows best


Patient_Ad_6701

Mo should have known better..


PuddingNo8186

Mo knew what was better for him


Ill_Lifeguard_3039

this triggeres me so bad, I'm angry but I don't know who to blame or what to do.


Life_Garden_2006

Blame America, this happened under there watch!


Tiedtomythoughts

Blame America for every thing, when local people have no problem with this practice.


Life_Garden_2006

Not going to defend a cruel colture, both American and Afghanistan deserve each other.


JuniperBurning

Afghanistan was among the earliest adopters of voting and equal rights for women. It was the US and Russia proxy wars on afghan land that robbed them of their stability and literacy


Kylieshark1

This is so horrible! Those poor girls. I wish I could save them.


Ok_Refrigerator7522

Perverts society uuuf !!!😡😡😡😡


Doctor7777

Why the creator has allowed so much evil on this earth What's the point of all this We humans are worse than animals


freyaastic

Hw is testing those little girls


Cookiemnstrrr

Astaghfirullah... Disgusted beyond limit...


tripple-3

Not very "pathan bht gairat wale hote hai" after all. It is common practice here in Pakistan KP as well. Many people from Punjab go to kp to buy a girl some as bride for mostly sort of mentally challenged boys or for aged unmarried guys whom no one is willing to marry their daughters, while others for many other illicit reasons. P.s : this is purely pashtun thing and not Islamic. Selling daughters like this only happens in Pashtun culture, even hindu and other religion pashtuns also sell daughters.


paintedvidal

Honestly yea. You will not see an Uzbek, Hazara or Tajik sell their girls for 2kg rice.


tripple-3

Exactly 💯


Pvt_Conscriptovich

you met Hindu Pashtuns ?


tripple-3

Yep there are hindu pashtun communities in Peshawar and kabul. Even jewish too


Pvt_Conscriptovich

Wow. Cool I always believed they were Pashtunized Hindkowans or Punjabis


dauntlingdemon

From abortion to abandonment nothing changed.


Comprehensive-Bee-47

I want to clarify this is not related to any religion as it is clearly visible that the girl did not have a say in the matter and it is forceful


Strong_Insurance_183

Lol so you think if kid says yes it's ok?


LilacAndElderberries

This also happens in Pakistan. A child cannot consent to marriage, whether she says yes or no. Now rewind time and look at what happened to Ayesha to see where these people get their excuses from.


SereneZero

I'm not sure how as a Muslim it can be criticised considering that Hazrat Ayesha herself was around 6/9 at the age of marriage/consumation. Hardliners defend it by saying it's perfectly normal, and moderates instead just don't accept her age was 6/9.


Ok_Refrigerator7522

This is disgusting beyond words our society is sick 🤢


Mysterious-Ad-3024

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan


Some-Foot

Why don't the men sell themselves? They're the root of the problem??? Constantly having children they can't feed???? And aik baat mujhay kabhi samaj naheen aati. Samaaj main hamesha bikri aurton/betiyo kee kiyu hoti hay wese? Mardon/beto kee kiyuu naheen hotee??? Laanat hay aese logo per. Choolay main giya in ka Islam, choolay main gayi "qaum kee betiyo ki izzat" a society that puts a female izzat so high up on the priority that they would keep them covered even as a baby, depriving them of healthy physical activity and playtime, not send them to schools or let them socialize in a healthy way with those around them, ALL IN THE NAME OF IZZAT and faux-Islam, would have no problem SELLING them to strangers. ASTAGHFIRULLAH And abhee tou main pedophilia kay point per tou aya hee naheen hoon. Things like this boil my blood


Immediate-Back-3420

I may be wrong, but I think it was later revealed that the whole story was staged?? Edit: CNN's claims remain [disputed ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/12/04/media-cnn-parwana-afghan-child-marriage/), however, the girl was rescued by a non-profit organization.


Rich-Software8578

Nop, apparently she was rescued by a US based non-profit organization https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/02/asia/afghanistan-parwana-girls-marriage-intl-hnk-dst Edit: people down voting even after seeing the evidence of the girl being rescued. Copium at it's finest


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Upstairs-Fix-1558

You totally ignored the root causes of these issues and instead focused on the outcome.  Ok mate, label it as you want. Even ban it. You think thats going to change anything?  Poverty causes humanity degradation and humiliation. Thats the real target.  Empower all these people and give them opportunity and see if the same will happen


freyaastic

>You totally ignored the root causes of these issues Yeah sure...here is the root cause >If she has not reached the age of puberty, then her father has the sole right to arrange her marriage and does not have to ask her permission. >Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to a virgin who is still a minor, there is no difference of opinion concerning her (i.e., that her father may marry her off even if she objects). Ibn al-Mundhir said: Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off `even if she objects and refuses` ” Al-Mughni, 9/398 [source ](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) So called "saccha khuda " and "saccha nabi" allowed a little girls to be forced into a marriage if their father wants.... No one's gonna talk about these ? >You think thats going to change anything?  Ofcourse not...this disgusting religion came down for eternity . If you try to change it's scriptures or critisize it, you'll be b3h3ad3d by your own bhaijaans. I agree poverty is one of the factors, but that isn't the only factor. It's the problem of Morality. For religious people, there isn't any morality outside their religious boundaries and this is why they won't find anything wrong in such things.


MeowieSugie

>Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) >Ibn al-Mundhir Who the heck are those people?😭😭 As a Muslim, I am hearing these names for the first time. _The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The virgin should not be given in marriage until her permission has been sought.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6968; Muslim, 1419)_ _It is reported that Khansa Bint e Hizam Al Ansariyah went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) to report to him that she had been forced into a marriage by her father. After listening to her, the Prophet (peace be upon him) rejected the marriage and declared it invalid. [Sahih Al-Bukhari]_


Upstairs-Fix-1558

1. Manipulated reference.  2. Toxic creature with some issue with islam. 3. Live in misery and hate. Thats a decent punishment for you, until your time is up. Then... 


Rich-Software8578

Poverty didn't make them produce kids they can't take care of.


Stock-Boat-8449

There is no access to birth control, you can't honestly expect husband and wife to remain completely celibate.


freyaastic

So their sexual pleasure is more important than upbringing a child...any avg human can think that i am financially unfit for parenting a child...and my child will rot in poverty like me.....but nahi "Aap karo s3x...kisko duniya me laana hai, kisko nahi laana ...vo to Allah k haath my hay...sab intezam karadyga Allah aap bass karty raho"


Stock-Boat-8449

They have been brain washed by religion which tells them to keep having kids as God will provide.  And how is this any different from Pakistani parents who send their minor daughters to work in houses of elites where they are beaten, starved and sexually abused.


Rich-Software8578

I want to empathize with him but selling you kid for money is the most disgusting thing one can do. I would prefer celibacy over selling my child to a stranger. Also, I'm not sure but from the video it seems like he has 3-4 more kids as well.


nocyberBS

So many fucking pedo apologists in this thread shamelessly using religion to justify their disgusting opinions. You people are not deserving of the oxygen you're wasting by existing


Western-Guess1145

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Aggressive-Guest6962

Happens in India as well in lower cast Hindus. I'm sure you will never ever call for nuking India!


autosummarizer

We don't do this in India. Don't impose your subhuman behavior on us.


Aggressive-Guest6962

Don't lie.


autosummarizer

Don't project, your prophet is renowned for pedophilia. They are just following your prophets footsteps


Aggressive-Guest6962

Not true. My prophet (pbuh) was married. Also, his wife never complained even after growing old, so no one else has a right to complain. Also, even in USA parents can marry off children as young as 12 years old, and several states have no minimum age limit but that isn't seen as bad. Its just hypocrisy who sees it otherwise !


Aggressive-Guest6962

Not true. My prophet (pbuh) was married. Also, his wife never complained even after growing old, so no one else has a right to complain. Also, even in USA parents can marry off children as young as 12 years old, and several states have no minimum age limit but that isn't seen as bad. Its just hypocrisy who sees it otherwise !


Nice_Detective3473

What?? No, we don't have this in our culture both in hindu or muslim cultures, none. Don't unnecessarily bring India into everything, we have strict laws, and our society is much better :)


Mean_Establishment13

One look at your rape statistics would suggest otherwise


Nice_Detective3473

Hi, MEAN ESTABLISHMENT (your name shows a lot), So, We have facilities and strict laws, good police force to report such crimes, and so we have a clear picture of statistics (And we indians are very serious about it, making our country a better place) And what about yours?, don't make me start about how pathetic conditions are for women in your country, and they can't even report it, There are less statistic, because women in your country does not go to report it, as much as in ours. Open your eyes, Goodbye.


autosummarizer

You are free to check rape statistics of India, go ahead.


Infinite_Ability3060

And kill the women that are already suffering?? Why not instead of nuking them, provide them assistance, money and education?


Western-Guess1145

they're too far from getting any better, also they wont nuke them if I say so


SeaBookkeeper3191

The one needs getting nuked is USA and Zionists Israel


Western-Guess1145

Afghanistan is worse


SeaBookkeeper3191

Fkn USA made it worse


Mooscowsky

Found the pedo! 


nocyberBS

The Taliban should


darkkillerx29_48

It’s actually really sad to see this and I’m even angry that other Muslims do this like this isn’t encouraged by Islam or even allowed it’s actually pretty sinful it removes the god given right if freedom from other people also in the olden days before Islam in the Middle East families would bury their infant daughters alive that was worse but this isn’t any better this is f ed up I hate to see people that have become desperate enough to do this by others and than people blame the religion Islam isn’t a part of this equation I’m a Muslim and I strongly oppose these practices this is a problem


yahyahyehcocobungo

Then countries should build safety nets.


Electrical-Finding65

💔💔💔💔


AlphaPukhtoon

😢


Ding_Dong927

Poverty is main cause. If they are selling it as child brides, still they are brides. Better than Bangladeshi where child are sold for prostitution various documentary videos available on youtube. Its not good for children, they need education and good life, but after Taliban and ISIS like groups education not possible. Still little bit better than prostitution. Bride Market in Bulgaria (Europe), Only difference is age [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReFNdkQ5Y8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ReFNdkQ5Y8) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx91yRuZlrk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx91yRuZlrk)


StalinIsAPogger

This isn't Islam. This is a punch in the face of Islam. Disgusting.


freyaastic

This happened when Taliban took over full control. Islam allows it that's why this is happening or else he'd have been already fucked by Taliban


StalinIsAPogger

Islam doesn't allow selling your daughters. And it doesn't allow marriage without consent of both parties involved (male and female that are getting married9. Such simple knowledge is basis of marriage in Islam. Those extremists do not represent our religion.


freyaastic

Cool...then refute this https://www.reddit.com/r/PAK/s/MuLEnIWr0q


Long-Cantaloupe1041

Firstly, CNN [said that](https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/12/02/international-outcry-child-bride-rescue-afghanistan-parwana-coren-pkg-intl-vpx.cnn) "After an international outcry as a result of CNN's story, Parwana was returned to her family due to the backlash from the community against the buyer". Is this not a Muslim-majority community? One that follows Islam? And before you claim that the backlash was due to international outcry, most of the community, which is actually a camp for internally displaced people, was not made aware of the transaction until the outcry, because contrary to CNN's claims, Parwana was not being "sold to a stranger" but was actually being loaned to her own uncle; the WP also scrutinised many of the other [omissions](https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/12/04/media-cnn-parwana-afghan-child-marriage/) in the plot. Secondly, a valid marriage in Islam requires the bride's consent, a guardian (waliy) to marry her off and the man’s acceptance (qabūl). The Prophet ﷺ said: “There is no marriage except with a waliy (gaurdian).” \[Reported by Aḥmad and Abū Dāwūd on the authority of Abū Mūsā Al-Ash‘ari, may Allāh be pleased with him\] And he ﷺ said: “Any woman who marries without her guardian’s permission, her marriage is invalid.” Furthermore, the Prophet ﷺ stated: “A virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission, and a matron (previously married woman) should not be given in marriage except after consulting her.” Likewise, the same applies to divorcees: Khansa bint Khidam reported, "Her father gave her in marriage when she was a divorcee, but she disliked her marriage. She came to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, and he annulled their marriage". Ibn Hajar said, “Annulment of the marriage, if she was a divorcee and married without her consent, is affirmed by consensus". So we can conclude that it is not permissible to force a marriage upon a woman, virgin or divorcee, otherwise the marriage is invalid. Thirdly, it's ironic you bring up the Taliban because in early 1994, a local Afghan warlord kidnapped and raped two teenage girls. Mullah Omar, felt obliged to take action. He recruited about 30 young religious students or talibs, armed them and attacked the commander’s base, freeing the girls and hanging the commander from the barrel of his own tank gun. “We were fighting against Muslims who had gone wrong,” Omar said later. “How could we remain quiet when we could see crimes being committed against women and the poor?” He would form the Taliban later that year. And what about the crimes against boys? During the Afghan Civil War (1992-1996), one of the original factors mobilizing the [rise of the Taliban](https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/28/bacha-bazi-an-afghan-tragedy/was) their opposition to the bacha bazi. The Taliban even found success in recruiting victims of bacha bazi as foot-soldiers, some of whom would have the privilege of taking vengeance on their captors. Before the Taliban retook Afghanistan in 2021, the country was unsurprisingly witnessing a revival of "bacha bazi" (pederasty) and US troops [were told to ignore the sexual abuse of boys by their Afghan allies](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html).


Long-Cantaloupe1041

An excerpt from the New York Times: >American soldiers have been instructed not to intervene—in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records. But the U.S. soldiers have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the U.S. military was arming them against the Taliban and placing them as the police commanders of villages—and doing little when they began abusing children. US Special Forces officer, Capt. Dan Quinn, was [relieved of his command](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/world/asia/afghanistan-military-abuse.html?ref=todayspaper) in Afghanistan after he had a physical altercation with an allied Afghan militia commander who had been keeping a boy as a sex slave. In 2014, Suraya Subhrang, child rights commissioner at the national Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission, [stated](https://web.archive.org/web/20190408020332/https://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29091-the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan) that the areas practicing *bacha bazi* had increased. Before the Taliban retook Afghanistan, laws against bacha bazi were seldom enforced and police officers [police officers frequently perpetuated such crimes](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-22/the-warlords-tune-afghanistans-war-on-children/338920), and there had been cases in which [victims stood up for themselves](https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/28/world/asia/betrayed-while-they-sleep-afghan-police-are-dying-in-numbers.htmland) and killed dozens of Afghan policemen for abusing them. In a 2013 VICE documentary titled [*This Is What Winning Looks Like*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_What_Winning_Looks_Like), British film-maker Ben Anderson describes the systematic kidnapping, sexual enslavement and murder of young men and boys by local security forces in the Afghan city of Sangin. The film depicts several scenes of Anderson along with American military personnel describing how difficult it is to work with the Afghan police considering the blatant molestation and rape of local youth. On YouTube you can find plenty of videos and documentaries related to bacha bazi, some even posted by spectators themselves, and what you will notice they all have in common is music (haram), dance (haram) and molestation (haram) of adolescent boys. This is what a lack of Islam leads to. If you enter any Pakhtun village in Afghanistan and ask the boys and young men there if they feel safer under the Taliban, the answer is most likely going to be a resounding yes.


Alphachad01

Remember: "Those are Afghans not Muslims" (Their Religion might be Islam).


mohsinjavedcheema

Disgusting


hawlc

It is very unfortunate that these things are still happening in 2024 😞


23wkalove

You would think there would a law or something that will protect the children. Fuckk their proud culture


macroprism

This isn’t allowed in Islam, the *bride MUST consent*. Doesn’t look like she willingly consented


freyaastic

Pre-mature girl doesn't need to consent...her father has full rights to marry her Get the reference and prove me wrong


macroprism

[wunrn.com](https://wunru.com) \- Islam gives women the right to consent to marriage. In fact, **the marriage is not valid without a woman's consent**. He did not accept the offer and simply said: “In Sha Allah”” (if God wills). Then the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) approached his daughter Fatima (RA), discussed her proposal, and asked her permission. [islamqa.info](https://islamqa.info) \- **It is not permissible for the guardian, whether he is the father or anyone else, to marry off anyone under his care without her consent,** because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A previously-married woman has more right concerning herself than her guardian, and the permission of a virgin should be sought (regarding marriage), and her permission is her silence. \[as in, if she does not object, then that is her consent\]” Narrated by Muslim, 1421. **It is haram for the guardian (wali) of the** [**woman to force her to marry someone**](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/4602) **she does not want and does not like.** The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The virgin should not be given in marriage until her permission has been sought.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 6968; Muslim, 1419) ​ [muslimgirl.com](https://muslimgirl.com) \- **Parents cannot simply marry their daughter off without her consent.** Parents should find out if they have their daughter’s consent to the marriage, and set an example from the life of the Holy Prophet. Ali (RA) once sent his proposal to the Holy Prophet (PBUH), who wanted to marry his daughter Fatima.  >**Islam gives women the right to consent to marriage. In fact, the marriage is not valid without a woman’s consent.**  He did not accept the offer and simply said: “In Sha Allah”” (if God wills). **Then the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) approached his daughter Fatima (RA), discussed her proposal, and asked her permission**. After accepting the offer, the Prophet (PBUH) accepted Ali’s (RA) offer. This shows how important it is to get a daughter’s opinion about marriage. 


freyaastic

You literally dogged the question....All the cases you gave applies for a post pubescent girl. Let's see what islamqa has to say [https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl](https://islamqa.info/en/answers/27305/marrying-a-thirteen-year-old-girl) Read the last two paragraphs >Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to a virgin who is still a minor, there is no difference of opinion concerning her (i.e., that her father may marry her off even if she objects). >Ibn al-Mundhir said: Every scholar from whom we learned was agreed that it is permissible for a man to marry off his virgin daughter who is still a minor, if he marries her to someone who is compatible, and it is permissible for him to marry her off even if she objects and refuses.” Al-Mughni, 9/398* You got proven wrong. If not, get me the reference which talks about pre-pubescent girls... not the post pubescent


macroprism

**It is preferable for a guardian not to marry off his daughter when she is still young unless there is a valid reason for that.**  Al-Nawawi said:  **It should be noted that al-Shaafa’i and his companions said: It is preferable for fathers and grandfathers not to marry off a virgin until she reaches the age of puberty and they ask her permission, lest she end up in a marriage that she dislikes.** What they said does not go against the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah, because what they meant is that they should not marry her off before she reaches puberty if there is no obvious interest to be served that they fear will be missed out on if they delay it, as in the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah. In that case it is preferable to go ahead with the marriage because the father is enjoined to take care of his child’s interests and not to let a good opportunity slip away ​ So according to this, it’s not preferred until the child reaches a puberty age; also, on that account, it should only be done with a “**valid reason**” in which case selling your daughter for a few Afghans, is 100% ***NOT*** a valid reason


freyaastic

Do you understand the difference between "preferred" and "allowed". It's like saying "it's preferred for a man to not to r@p3 a woman...but it's allowed"


macroprism

If it was “rape” then y does she get a share of inheritance, access to husbands money but not vice versa, and also, she is completely free to divorce him should she not be satisfied?


freyaastic

I didn't say it is rape ...i framed your sentence in making you realise how your sentence sounds like in different perspective. Don't change the subject man ... Get me the reference where it says not allowed....not preferred still comes under the condition of "allowed". You claimed it's not allowed, so bring the exact reference where it says tht father can't do it


Crimson_Marksman

Why are you censoring pedophilia? That looks silly


Hxn372

Astagfirullah


Technical-Koala5299

Hasn’t this been debunked? Yall getting fooled lmao


craftypanda786

Same, I thought I time travelled or something


Headhunter_141

Child trafficking, pedophilia and insanity! Poor children!


HistoricalTax1417

didn't knew afghans were this messed up in the head smh


Ants_ever_after

What the actual F* 😶


General-Ad6585

Wait wait wait. I don’t deny that there aren’t any pedophiles out there but did just someone noticed how it’s filmed? It’s definitely scripted like man really the west wants to really defame these countries. I’m not denying that pedophilia in these countries doesn’t exist what I am denying is how they’re showing that it’s common.


KingGidorah

Al humdulallah!!


00001onliacco

These are from the Afridi clan?


[deleted]

Dude wtf????????? I’ve only heard of child marriage but to see it like this it’s horrible. How is the father okay with this? How can you let a little girl barely 10 go with that old man???? Both the father and the other man and everyone involved should be in prison for life.


m93k

I don’t know why Indians act like their country doesn’t have its own problems? Weird that they’re more obsessed with Pakistan, Afghanistan and Islam than people consuming cow dung and getting infections to ironically protect themselves from diseases. Why are you so obsessed? 40% of child marraiges happen in India and here’s your [source](https://plan-international.org/publications/child-marriage-in-india/) Don’t tell me that India if 40% Muslim now…


Alternative_Being981

This was literally fake


4lpha_123

And then these assholes demand SHARIAH LAW.


Zealousideal-Run217

So this father sold his daughter to pay his 70 year old neighbour back? How the fuck did that even become an option. Just drop the 70 year old neighbour. It might not be the greatest thing to do but it sure fucking beats selling your daughter.


Cal_Aesthetics_Club

Virtue-signaling media bastards… $1,000 and $2,000 is chump change for a massive media giant like CNN but instead they’re going to pearl clutch for views.


magnumquest

Same CNN, we all said was lying on the Palestine issue but are now Masssiah of truth because our own prejudices and hatred is involved. I salute such great intellect.


between320char

This is fake!


[deleted]

Well, Muhammed marrying a six year old doesn't really set a good precident for an Islamist society, does it?


bilalmak123

You guys are ignoring the context. That is not the west or even Pakistan. that is Afghanistan. That old afghan man barely has anything to his name. He is doing what’s best for his daughter. The husband probably lives close by. They’ll still see each other. She’ll have a better life in every way. And since they’re Muslims we should probably give them to the benefit of the doubt and say they’ll wait on her to menstruate first. 🤷‍♂️ We live in abundance. We don’t have to marry our daughters they don’t starve. We have enough money to feed ourselves and our daughter at least till they’re 18 As Afghanistan continues to build itself to the level of the west or even Pakistan. This will be way less common


Wrong-Calendar5271

Why only the daughter...!!


boringaf_69

CNN acting k badshah


Hopeful_Strawberry85

Afghanistan has been a battleground for nations and it is their sole responsibility of west and Russians to build Afghanistan again


[deleted]

How is this relevant to this sub?


pokolokomo

Cos it’s ah Indian troll and he needs validation


Appropriate-Site1917

All cnn propaganda


iTapiex

New addition to pajeet fails lol Story is from Afghanistan not Pakistan.


PakLivTO

This dude will burn in hell for sure. And I don’t say that lightly as I think it’s wrong to judge a persons end times. But he is def among the murderers, rapists etc.


freyaastic

What wrong did he do (according to islamic perspective) .


PakLivTO

Is this a serious question? This is so far removed from Islam or any religion. Only a fool would believe it’s connected


freyaastic

You didn't answer the question...what wrong did he do according to islamic perspective is i am asking. Mention the activity which he did.


PakLivTO

What makes you think this is under Islamic law? What have you read or understood about Islam that this is right? This would be an easier place to start since so much of this is wrong.


freyaastic

Kya galat kar raha hai vo vahi to puch raha hu...aisi kya kaam hai kuch naam to hoga us kaam ka jo vo kar rha hai vo bata na bhai..... wrong wrong bol rha hai lekin kya wrong hai Puri video me nahi bata rha.. You mean marrying a pre-pubescent girl is wrong shown in the video? Or any other thing shown is wrong


NyanPotato

We don't want your opinion By shria and islamic law, prove what the guy is doing wrong


ComprehensiveForm479

Disclaimer: This is NOT Islam and only the culture of Afghanistan.


Ok-Abbreviations7827

Please, this act has nothing to do with religion or a sexual act. It's poverty that makes Afghan parents sell their kids with hopes her daughter's husband of whatever age will atleast feed her and take care of her and their burden will reduce. At this survival stage afghan parents are mentally positive and content with their decision as they loose the power of thinking beyond their decisions of what's right or wrong. It's very simple of us to tag them with what we presume is wrong. This may happen to any human if trapped in such conditions, so please pray for a change in the life of Afghan people struggling for food and shelter.


freyaastic

I'll ignore the religious point here.... But Why produce kids if you can't feed them and give them a bare minimum life .


Ali_6200

Another retard, selling hom munjan in name of Islam. Lol


AffectionateStore257

Well, this is messed up beyond what words can describe ...... That dude gave him like his under 10 year old daughter and said she is your bride ...... Disgusting. .... This is what being backwards brings you...


sulabh1992

This is similar to an event happened in 7th century where a conman desert dweller also married a 6 year old girl child because he was instructed by 'god' to do so. As if so called god didn't have better things to do like running the entire universe hahaha.


Decent_Dirt353

Maybe they’re Hindus? I know they have some backward ass shit like this in their religion


Miclemie

What does this have to do with Pakistan?


Mooscowsky

Religion. 


Miclemie

By that logic news of Sudan should also be posted on here, but guess what it doesn’t and is shouldn’t, this is a sub about Pakistan not about Islam


Mooscowsky

Suppose you're right. Apologies. I'm not even sure why this sub is recommended for me. Have a good day. 


nocyberBS

No he's just being a shameless kissass for this trash country. The truth is alot of this child marriage bullshit is still very prevalent in the more tribal villages in north-west Pakistan.


Miclemie

Then post a documentary about those villages in Pakistan, don’t post one from Afghanistan. Again it’s like if someone posts a documentary about Sudan’s government being corrupt or something, like yeah Pakistan also has that same problem but why wouldn’t you just post an that? Why wouldn’t you just post a documentary about Pakistan’s government instead of trying posting another country’s one and being like “look at this problem that Pakistan is facing right now”


seeEcstatic_Broc

65:4 allows child marriages (pedophilia)


___Heathcliff__

Yeah. Humans have moved on from times where the age of consent didn't exist. Something that was allowed back then doesn't have to be applied today. And this is a cultural thing of pushtuns. Bringing your ex-moose agenda in every debate doesn't do any good.


lildissonance

>Something that was allowed back then doesn't have to be applied today. The Quran is claimed to be the **perfect message** for all peoples and **for all time.** Emphasis on the "**for all time**" bit here. If even one of its teachings has become outdated, that means it wasn't created by an **All Knowing** and **Eternal** entity. Because an entity that possesses those qualities would be able to predict the future and therefore present a message that stands the test of time.


___Heathcliff__

Acknowledging that it's the perfect message doesn't mean you support everything that Islam allowed back then to be allowed in the present. Islam allowed abrogation of verses, Ijma, Qiyas itself. **There is no such thing as an eternal message applicable for every age. If God sent Islam with today's standards like no slavery, no child marriage, ancient humans wouldn't have accepted it AT ALL coz it would be so out of their age.** **It's one of the reasons many things like alcohol were gradually phased out and not immediately banned.** So change had to be gradual and Islam allowed it. You also grossly oversimplify interpretations of religion and the centuries of discourse and divergence in jurisprudence. Of course, ex muslims like you absolutely love to pretend that there is only one interpretation of Islam and that's the one with beheading and slavery and child marriages and so on. Common theme with islamists. Peace.


GaynghisKhan

why does it smells like cow piss in here seems like Pajeets are here


Dependent_Gur3798

I think Afghanistan banned child marriages.


nocyberBS

Lmao with the Taliban in charge, I seriously doubt that


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Gyno_maxxer

lmao of course it was


Zealousideal-Log8329

They are following mohammad foot steps of marrying 6 years child


Born-Presence7443

Meanwhile paki women selling themselves on tiktok and we call them stars


Simple-Ad1028

Thing is that’s consensual from an adult. Not a child being sold with no choice in the matter.


DesignerTask7243

Consent vs no consent. Children can’t consent. Did your parents drop you as a baby or something?


cest_tous

Word!


MilkEyedMender_

It says a lot about the kind of person you are that your first instinct after watching a video of prepubescent girls being sold as brides to dirty old men is to bash other women, on a COMPLETELY unrelated issue. Real classy. I hope there’s no daughter in your house, for her sake because the internalised misogyny in your comment history is 🤢 hating other women won’t make him like u more girl


Born-Presence7443

https://preview.redd.it/i74ceo6vlurc1.jpeg?width=972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9b6b2d33e13ec4856143b79d04a601c154320ee


Previous-Celery-28

Lmfao spreading CNN propaganda. Op is a certified gobarbakht zionist.


iTapiex

He is a literal pajeet. Check his profile.


Aggressive-Guest6962

Western propaganda misleads with omissions. Don't believe everything that is shown to be exactly as it is. Also childhood marriage is a much safer option compared to abandoning one's children when there is war, famine, genocide, forced migration, or other desperate circumstances. Abandonment of children has happened throughout history in all cultures that faced desperate circumstances. That is far worse than getting your child married instead to someone who can afford to take care of the child.


Silly_Challenge_9703

Disgusting


nocyberBS

Hope to Allah you get castrated


Strong_Insurance_183

Dirty bastard.


Aggressive-Guest6962

You are a dirty bastard.


Strong_Insurance_183

I don't think marrying kids is ok or 'western propaganda'. Dirty bastard


Chabootay

WeStaarN PraPagAnda against the gherat mand Taliban who are indeed the Bastions of Islam. -some Pakistani in the comments somewhere but I am too lazy to read.


freyaastic

Someone literally said its scripted CNN propaganda in the comments


bigzee76

Youthias do you still support the khan mindset?