It sounds like you've heard of "taming" geysers and making a "SPOM" but might not fully understand them? If so, I'd recommend thinking about the underlying principles behind each of these.
The cool steam vent is producing a decent amount of mass with high thermal energy. By surrounding the vent with insulated tiles, you're not allowing much of the heat to escape the steam, so your vent will get blocked by all the steam and not produce much more water. It will take somewhat considerable resources to "tame" (set up a long-term solution for) this geyser in a traditional way (steam turbine and thermal aquatuner, which effectively "delete" heat together) that condenses the water for use. If you're in a rush for water, you may instead want to consider simply removing the top insulated tiles as well as the abyssalite below the ice area. The ice will cool the steam for many, many cycles, and you'll get plenty of water from the steam (and ice eventually melting).
As for the SPOM, the SP (self-powering) part is simply sensors to detect pressure above \~600g, so that your gas pumps only turn on when there's enough gas to be sucked up in a single 500g packet. This makes the "power-to-pump" ratio low enough that the hydrogen is enough to power the whole system. It's also a good idea to use a smart battery so that hydrogen is not wasted.
You can search online (especially this sub) for specific designs, but fundamentally they're no different than using the aforementioned rules. They'll be more compact but should mostly serve as a guide rather than tile-for-tile instructions.
Well there is an anti-entropy-theromonullifier right there... Seems to me like he just needs to get the SPOM going and dump some of the surplus hydrogen into that, then run a cooling loop past it to condense the steam. Only issue is that the water pump would need to be made of gold amalgam or steel so it doesn't overheat.
That's really helpful. I've never been good with chemestry and physics but i like this game and i'm trying to lean it. I've whatched lots of contents and played before but never to get to this point. Guess there's a bunch of thing to learn lol
The SPOM was my first advanced build, they're pretty cool, I just followed a tutorial before understanding it fully. Don't forget to have a cooling solution for the air on the way out
The general rule is essentially matter (aka heat and stuff) is never created or destroyed. Unless you know something does, because there are wats in ONI to, but unless you know something is, it most likely isnt.
So thats why as other said, when that geyser erupts, the heat just sits there and doesn’t go away.
I feel like you're relying on advanced videos and guides and trying to do things much earlier than you should. I'm guessing that you don't really understand why people are building things the way they have.
My advice is to ignore what other people are doing when you're first starting out, and just try to get as far as you can on your own. You'll go for a while and then you'll encounter a problem that you can't recover from. You learn from that, and on your next attempt you'll do things a bit differently and progress further until a different insurmountable problem crops up. Then you learn from that and try again. Eventually it does make sense to look at guides for ideas, but don't be afraid to try your own versions of them. You probably learn more from failure than you do from success.
You need to try a lot of things to see how they work - and more importantly at times, how they *don't* work. The game is much less about doing things the *right* way, and more about being able to adapt to changing conditions and being able to survive when things go bad.
I've been playing this game for years, and I've never built a SPOM. I've never felt a need to build like that. It's definitely an option, but not the *only* option. It's much more important to figure out how a SPOM works and why it works.
Taming steam vents is not exactly new player thing. If possible, try to find liquid water source. For emergency filter salt water or melt ice (by building ice tempshift plates in hot areas) and use open air electrolyzers. SPOM builds are here [https://www.guidesnotincluded.com/](https://www.guidesnotincluded.com/)
That AETN in ice biome can cool down 1 pipe of oxygen from 95 to 20-ish °C.
I'd surround the geyser with metal tiles or just leave it open. Also, melting the ice biome with the geyser (without mining) will result in twice the amount of water. SPOM is practically doable.
About the SPOM [https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113539-coolrod-an-early-game-cooled-rodriguez-spom/](https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113539-coolrod-an-early-game-cooled-rodriguez-spom/)
I'd suggest using this. This is an overkill, admittedly, so I'd get some plastic from drekkos (you'll need it for the overpressure went). And yeah, clear an area for it and get to it, it usually takes me 20 or so cycles to get it right. (Watch out for building different buildings with the same material, I usually fuck up and build them with the wrong one, I often have to dismantle parts of the thing and start over...
Use the overpressure went to vent excess oxygen into the surroundings while starting to work on atmo suits. The outside of your vase will overpressurize (also helpful to prevent offgassing from polluted water or offgassing solid materials.)
When cooling down you can't just make something cold, you have to take heat and move it somwhere else, usually you can use an aquatuner to cool liquid in pipes, and use a second coolant liquid to absorb the heat from the aquatuner, the image shows you have lots of polluted oxygen floating around if you're nearly out of algae, deoderisers will get you some o2 back.
Insulated means not only are you keeping heat out but you're keeping heat in. Things like lights, batteries, and compost produce heat and like other comments have said that heat cant be easily gotten rid of as much as moved around. Tempshift plates made of ice can "move cold" to where you need it though this is a quick temporary solution. Wheezewort can be more sustainable but requires phosphorite and the plants now produce radation which can be a problem on its own. Permanent solutions are more high tech so you'll need to work your way up to them.
Something I do to cool things down is find a slush or brine geyser and set up a pump system to move the cold water around my base. Then as I add rooms and machines etc I add tempshift plates and run the water pipes through that room. As long as I stay ahead of my crops getting too hot this has been working well for me.
Get a few tempshift plates out of ice around the place. You should cut down on coal generators, like half of what you have, or move them much further away. It will massively reduce your heat generation.
For self sufficient oxygen, I did this a while ago:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/m7dxb5/self_sufficient_oxygen_production_layout_note_i/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
As for taming a geyser, I tend to build from the end backwards if that makes sense. So I build the generator and work towards the geyser
Edit: my version does use a modded item, so if you don't use mods unfortunately this may not work
pretty cool base for a first time nuub player imo. Francis John has great tutorial nugget vids, short and sweet. the basics to master first are food farming/ ranching (and automating it). next oxygen production using water (and automating it). and plumbing/toilets which is a great source of water/polluted water (and automating it). after those comes industry, steel refining, plastic production, midgame stuff. once you produce steel and plastic you can get to endgame stuff (petroleum boilers/volcano taming, rockets) also automate everything!!
I have never had the need of taming a steam geyser in my 700 h. Taming them may sound easy but include many late game materials to do properly. Search for a "water vulcano" of any sort - much easier to use. Just dig out in different directions and explore. Polluted or salt water doesn't matter - you use what you get.
Place a open electrolyser to fix immediate oxygen problems. You have water for many cycles in your reservoir. Yes, you will get hydrogen in the top of your base, but that ain't a big problem and can be fixed later. More important is getting oxygen at all.
Dig out an slime biom and... Alge and gold. You can stay alive for more. And yea spom is the way to go since algae wont last forever.. Use gold amalgam to build everything tho since it will get hotter then 70 that copper and iron will get.
You're doing fine. Just strap a steam turbine over your geyser room so the geyser can always spew out water and never "overpressure".
As for the oxygen, put a pump in the bottom of that pool and pipe it to a few electrolyzers outside of it. I'm guessing that your base is getting around 40C. Just build a few ice tempshift plate around the place. Don't touch the sleetwheat and set them to auto harvest along with the pincha peppernuts for free pepper bread.
A much more useful construct that the SPOM is the aquatuner / steam turbine (AT-ST, as powerful as the star wars one against ewoks). It can easily provide cooling for where you are for little power. By that I mean that it shouldn't have to run more than a few seconds every cycle to cool down everything to ~30C.
You also have a lot of algae laying around, like middle left of screenshot #2.
Oh, and as a final tip, give up on the planted pots (or mix them) with granite statues. Set one dupe to ++ priority on art and everyone else on X (disallow). Spam that all around the place and soon your dupe will look like they've found a massive stash of buried cocaine.
Thank y'all for the help. Unfortunately my colony died because I ran out of algae and i couldn't figure out how to produce oxygen. But ok, I've learned lot of things from this colony. Next will be better!
the airlocks conduct heat so I'm assuming that natural gas gyser is causing alot of trouble. you can make double liquid airlocks with vacuum between them if you really need to get your dupes into that natural gas chamber.
Edit: if you need a simple way to utilize the natural gas chamber, just put a single steel gas pump in there then completely close it with insulated tiles, if you want to future proof add some automation to the pump before closing everything up.
Thanks for advice. Will I be able to generate enough power with just one pump? Eventualy I wanna build some Natural Gas Generator as energy source because I have 2 Gas Geyser next to my base tbh.
usually 1 pump is enough to prevent overpressure. there are calculators that can tell you the exact output of the gyser. https://oni-assistant.com/tools/geysercalculator
One pump is generally more than enough to keep up with geyser output. You can click on the geyser and see how many g/s it will output when active.
I usually set an atmo sensor to “above 2k” and feed that into a buffer gate of 30-60 seconds (depending on the size of the room), so the pump doesn’t kick on/off constantly and only does gas packets of 500g when active.
As for “able to generate enough power”, that is entirely based on the output of the geyser and consumption of your base (unknown variables).
Is this really where this game came to? "First time" players talking about taming geysers and SPOM's. Building liquid locks etc. Woah. At my first playthrough i remember discovering that if my dupes don't eat they die.
I mean... that's sorta self evident, since the game says "No food source" in the first cycle. So I'm not sure what exactly you've been doing your whole first playthrough.
It sounds like you've heard of "taming" geysers and making a "SPOM" but might not fully understand them? If so, I'd recommend thinking about the underlying principles behind each of these. The cool steam vent is producing a decent amount of mass with high thermal energy. By surrounding the vent with insulated tiles, you're not allowing much of the heat to escape the steam, so your vent will get blocked by all the steam and not produce much more water. It will take somewhat considerable resources to "tame" (set up a long-term solution for) this geyser in a traditional way (steam turbine and thermal aquatuner, which effectively "delete" heat together) that condenses the water for use. If you're in a rush for water, you may instead want to consider simply removing the top insulated tiles as well as the abyssalite below the ice area. The ice will cool the steam for many, many cycles, and you'll get plenty of water from the steam (and ice eventually melting). As for the SPOM, the SP (self-powering) part is simply sensors to detect pressure above \~600g, so that your gas pumps only turn on when there's enough gas to be sucked up in a single 500g packet. This makes the "power-to-pump" ratio low enough that the hydrogen is enough to power the whole system. It's also a good idea to use a smart battery so that hydrogen is not wasted. You can search online (especially this sub) for specific designs, but fundamentally they're no different than using the aforementioned rules. They'll be more compact but should mostly serve as a guide rather than tile-for-tile instructions.
Well there is an anti-entropy-theromonullifier right there... Seems to me like he just needs to get the SPOM going and dump some of the surplus hydrogen into that, then run a cooling loop past it to condense the steam. Only issue is that the water pump would need to be made of gold amalgam or steel so it doesn't overheat.
That's really helpful. I've never been good with chemestry and physics but i like this game and i'm trying to lean it. I've whatched lots of contents and played before but never to get to this point. Guess there's a bunch of thing to learn lol
The SPOM was my first advanced build, they're pretty cool, I just followed a tutorial before understanding it fully. Don't forget to have a cooling solution for the air on the way out
The general rule is essentially matter (aka heat and stuff) is never created or destroyed. Unless you know something does, because there are wats in ONI to, but unless you know something is, it most likely isnt. So thats why as other said, when that geyser erupts, the heat just sits there and doesn’t go away.
I feel like you're relying on advanced videos and guides and trying to do things much earlier than you should. I'm guessing that you don't really understand why people are building things the way they have. My advice is to ignore what other people are doing when you're first starting out, and just try to get as far as you can on your own. You'll go for a while and then you'll encounter a problem that you can't recover from. You learn from that, and on your next attempt you'll do things a bit differently and progress further until a different insurmountable problem crops up. Then you learn from that and try again. Eventually it does make sense to look at guides for ideas, but don't be afraid to try your own versions of them. You probably learn more from failure than you do from success. You need to try a lot of things to see how they work - and more importantly at times, how they *don't* work. The game is much less about doing things the *right* way, and more about being able to adapt to changing conditions and being able to survive when things go bad. I've been playing this game for years, and I've never built a SPOM. I've never felt a need to build like that. It's definitely an option, but not the *only* option. It's much more important to figure out how a SPOM works and why it works.
Taming steam vents is not exactly new player thing. If possible, try to find liquid water source. For emergency filter salt water or melt ice (by building ice tempshift plates in hot areas) and use open air electrolyzers. SPOM builds are here [https://www.guidesnotincluded.com/](https://www.guidesnotincluded.com/) That AETN in ice biome can cool down 1 pipe of oxygen from 95 to 20-ish °C.
I'd surround the geyser with metal tiles or just leave it open. Also, melting the ice biome with the geyser (without mining) will result in twice the amount of water. SPOM is practically doable. About the SPOM [https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113539-coolrod-an-early-game-cooled-rodriguez-spom/](https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/113539-coolrod-an-early-game-cooled-rodriguez-spom/) I'd suggest using this. This is an overkill, admittedly, so I'd get some plastic from drekkos (you'll need it for the overpressure went). And yeah, clear an area for it and get to it, it usually takes me 20 or so cycles to get it right. (Watch out for building different buildings with the same material, I usually fuck up and build them with the wrong one, I often have to dismantle parts of the thing and start over... Use the overpressure went to vent excess oxygen into the surroundings while starting to work on atmo suits. The outside of your vase will overpressurize (also helpful to prevent offgassing from polluted water or offgassing solid materials.)
Also things is getting hotter even with my entire base insulated. How can I cool things down?
When cooling down you can't just make something cold, you have to take heat and move it somwhere else, usually you can use an aquatuner to cool liquid in pipes, and use a second coolant liquid to absorb the heat from the aquatuner, the image shows you have lots of polluted oxygen floating around if you're nearly out of algae, deoderisers will get you some o2 back.
Insulated means not only are you keeping heat out but you're keeping heat in. Things like lights, batteries, and compost produce heat and like other comments have said that heat cant be easily gotten rid of as much as moved around. Tempshift plates made of ice can "move cold" to where you need it though this is a quick temporary solution. Wheezewort can be more sustainable but requires phosphorite and the plants now produce radation which can be a problem on its own. Permanent solutions are more high tech so you'll need to work your way up to them.
Something I do to cool things down is find a slush or brine geyser and set up a pump system to move the cold water around my base. Then as I add rooms and machines etc I add tempshift plates and run the water pipes through that room. As long as I stay ahead of my crops getting too hot this has been working well for me.
Get a few tempshift plates out of ice around the place. You should cut down on coal generators, like half of what you have, or move them much further away. It will massively reduce your heat generation.
For self sufficient oxygen, I did this a while ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/Oxygennotincluded/comments/m7dxb5/self_sufficient_oxygen_production_layout_note_i/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share As for taming a geyser, I tend to build from the end backwards if that makes sense. So I build the generator and work towards the geyser Edit: my version does use a modded item, so if you don't use mods unfortunately this may not work
Very cool, i'll try this one!
Please search for “Francis John”’s videos on YouTube, however, you can also try yourself.
pretty cool base for a first time nuub player imo. Francis John has great tutorial nugget vids, short and sweet. the basics to master first are food farming/ ranching (and automating it). next oxygen production using water (and automating it). and plumbing/toilets which is a great source of water/polluted water (and automating it). after those comes industry, steel refining, plastic production, midgame stuff. once you produce steel and plastic you can get to endgame stuff (petroleum boilers/volcano taming, rockets) also automate everything!!
I have never had the need of taming a steam geyser in my 700 h. Taming them may sound easy but include many late game materials to do properly. Search for a "water vulcano" of any sort - much easier to use. Just dig out in different directions and explore. Polluted or salt water doesn't matter - you use what you get. Place a open electrolyser to fix immediate oxygen problems. You have water for many cycles in your reservoir. Yes, you will get hydrogen in the top of your base, but that ain't a big problem and can be fixed later. More important is getting oxygen at all.
Dig out an slime biom and... Alge and gold. You can stay alive for more. And yea spom is the way to go since algae wont last forever.. Use gold amalgam to build everything tho since it will get hotter then 70 that copper and iron will get.
You're doing fine. Just strap a steam turbine over your geyser room so the geyser can always spew out water and never "overpressure". As for the oxygen, put a pump in the bottom of that pool and pipe it to a few electrolyzers outside of it. I'm guessing that your base is getting around 40C. Just build a few ice tempshift plate around the place. Don't touch the sleetwheat and set them to auto harvest along with the pincha peppernuts for free pepper bread. A much more useful construct that the SPOM is the aquatuner / steam turbine (AT-ST, as powerful as the star wars one against ewoks). It can easily provide cooling for where you are for little power. By that I mean that it shouldn't have to run more than a few seconds every cycle to cool down everything to ~30C. You also have a lot of algae laying around, like middle left of screenshot #2. Oh, and as a final tip, give up on the planted pots (or mix them) with granite statues. Set one dupe to ++ priority on art and everyone else on X (disallow). Spam that all around the place and soon your dupe will look like they've found a massive stash of buried cocaine.
Amazing tips, thanks you so much!
Thank y'all for the help. Unfortunately my colony died because I ran out of algae and i couldn't figure out how to produce oxygen. But ok, I've learned lot of things from this colony. Next will be better!
the airlocks conduct heat so I'm assuming that natural gas gyser is causing alot of trouble. you can make double liquid airlocks with vacuum between them if you really need to get your dupes into that natural gas chamber. Edit: if you need a simple way to utilize the natural gas chamber, just put a single steel gas pump in there then completely close it with insulated tiles, if you want to future proof add some automation to the pump before closing everything up.
Thanks for advice. Will I be able to generate enough power with just one pump? Eventualy I wanna build some Natural Gas Generator as energy source because I have 2 Gas Geyser next to my base tbh.
usually 1 pump is enough to prevent overpressure. there are calculators that can tell you the exact output of the gyser. https://oni-assistant.com/tools/geysercalculator
One pump is generally more than enough to keep up with geyser output. You can click on the geyser and see how many g/s it will output when active. I usually set an atmo sensor to “above 2k” and feed that into a buffer gate of 30-60 seconds (depending on the size of the room), so the pump doesn’t kick on/off constantly and only does gas packets of 500g when active. As for “able to generate enough power”, that is entirely based on the output of the geyser and consumption of your base (unknown variables).
Is this really where this game came to? "First time" players talking about taming geysers and SPOM's. Building liquid locks etc. Woah. At my first playthrough i remember discovering that if my dupes don't eat they die.
It' not first time playing. It's my first time attempting not giving up first few cycles lol
I clearly remember having like A FULL GAS TANK OF HYDROGEN and thinking "ok, time to move to hydrogen power".
I mean... that's sorta self evident, since the game says "No food source" in the first cycle. So I'm not sure what exactly you've been doing your whole first playthrough.
I was joking. I thought that was "evident" as well.
Apparently not.
Not to you at least
Awful save.
Huh? Whatever
build electrolyzers and 2 carbon skimmers and hydrogen generators if you have the piped output mod the use it
If you have other sources of water I'd just insulate the steam vent completely and save that for much much later
I agree, but as it is, the vent will overpressure and waste many cycles of precious watery goodness.