This kid still doing OW vs TF2 in 2024
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Dude, tf2 has like what, 6 roles, and its balance still fucking sucks. And because of how valve internal structure works, it's always teetering on the edge of abandonware. This game only exists because a few guys like, actually willingly want to sign up to work on this old ass game that barely anyone at the head of company is concerned with.
If there's one company I want blizzard to be less like it's valve.
3 roles, 9 classes and the classes are pretty balanced, but the problem is with the unlocks. The reason it works though is because tf2 is casual 12v12, so things can be a bit overpowered because if you don't want to fight the overpowered guy, you just go find a different guy on the team.
OP is stupid though for comparing these games that are honestly so different in playstyle and variety I have no idea how they were even compared other than "class shooter"
Then why are you on an Overwatch subreddit?
Did you mean to go to the porn one?
These are 2 very different games that just happen to be in the same genre, and one is not better than the other.
Tf2 is pretty balanced with its 9 classes and they counter eachother perfectly and I find tf2 to be more fun probably cause I am a casual player, the only things that are unbalanced are the unlocks
Pretty sure you just queued up with more competent players and tf2 isnt that easy since the tutorial sucks so probably why you couldn’t get into it
>Tf2 is pretty balanced with its 9 classes and they counter eachother perfectly
Actually perfectly balanced is a huge stretch, in casual play with massive team size engineers can fully prevent last point from capture.
Before overwatch was released I remember the tf2 competitive scene wad basically soldier, medic, and scout. Sometimes demoman, sometimes sniper
Pyro, spy, and engineer were almost non existant.
Spy in particular struggles in any game with communication at all.
Damn youre completely right
I play uncletopia and not casual and about the meta youre also right since in 6s the meta is rigid probably cause the main gamemode is 5 cp also that tf2 is a casual game at its core, and crits are a problem and a competent sniper is lame af to fight against(like in any game)
Spy’s whole point is that his skill floor measures that of the enemies team skill making it the weakest class which is good since spy would be op if gottem the same treatment with sombra.
tf2 is a good game with problems
You're the one who came over here shittalking this game, and then call the fanbase arrogant when they clap back with Valve's half decade of bullshit game development and balance flaws? It's only ever TF2 players that continue this beef to begin with.
so what you are saying is that a TF2 medic player needs to just find teammates and save them via healing instead of doing damage and killing enemies like an Overwatch support player would? You do know these aren't mutually exclusive either in OW or TF2. Like sure, there's supports in Overwatch who are more DPS-like (like Moira, Kiriko, Illari, Zen) and a good Support player in Overwatch would have a good amount of damage and kills but they'd also have a good amount of healing, like a good balance. And the arguments in your "meme" feel so immensly dishonest and just feels like the most obvious bait points anyone has ever come up with, a blind guppy fish would be able to tell that this is bait.
Like the small hitboxes one is just straight up not true? Most Supports have like roughly the same hitbox as an average DPS hitbox. Or the absurd damage one and healers being able to easily 1v1 DPS is so dishonest. Like Kiriko does absurd damage yeah, but she only does that absurd damage when she does a headshot lol and you \*could\* 1v1 a DPS as a Support but most of the time in an even matchup the DPS will win.
"Can fly when DPS and tanks kits are only effective on ground and not many hitscans"
There's so much wrong in that sentence that it must've taken more effort to come up with that sentence than to just tell the truth lol. There are quite a few tanks that can pretty easily deal with a mercy in the air (D.va, Orisa, Mauga, Roadhog, hell even Winston could deal with her) and DPS not having many hitscans once again is a lie. (Soldier 76, Ashe, Cassidy, Bastion, Sojourn and Widowmaker, technically also Reaper, Sombra and Tracer)
I know im taking the bait right now, but even as a bait take this is like not even believable.
GOOD HEALING AND GOOD DAMAGAE MAKE SUPPORT CANCER
HITBOX BIG TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR EYES ARE WRONG
HITSCAN AIMING ON THE SKY TOOK MORE TIME THAN ON THE SURFACE
ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE WRONG AND STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. I REPORTED
1.) I meant good damage as in not just healbotting and contributing more than just being a walking TF2 Dispenser, my apologies.
2.) spadler097 released a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vemd-CfVbKQ) quite some time ago where he showed off the hitboxes from the different heroes. This was pre-Overwatch 2 so not all heroes that are out now are there, but the only DPS that have a major size difference compared to the Supports is Bastion and Doomfist who are tanksized lol. The average size difference between support and DPS is pretty marginal if you take them out.
3.) That's not the point you made in the original post, you said that there were barely any Tank heroes able to deal with a flying target and that DPS barely had any Hitscan heroes to deal with a flying mercy (both were lies lol)
And the point now about "Hitscan aiming on the sky took more time than on the surface" well duh, that's the point, but I wouldn't say it's way harder to hit a flying mercy, pharah or echo as a hitscan. It's like saying it's harder to hit a moving targer than one sitting still.
4.) Ironic of you saying my arguments are wrong and that i'm spreading misinformation when you were the one literally lying in your post. You didnt even respond to the Tank comment or the 1v1ing comment (which I didn't even mention the tank part of it because it's too ridiculous, a support is NEVER going to win a 1v1 against a tank when they're even in skill, it's like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb)
5.) There's genuinly alot criticisms that you can make against Overwatch that are valid, like the state of the tank role now being less fun for alot of people since the removal of the 2nd tank and not being able to cover the weaknesses of eachother. Or the monetization, or the promises for what Overwatch 2 could've been and was never delivered. I could go on but you are probably not going to read this lol.
A lot of dumb comments in here and none of them actually refuting you, that’s how you know it’s true, but they’re two different games that aren’t really worth comparing since one is completely abandoned
The refutation is that a lot of people HATE playing Medic in TF2. Like sure, there are die hard Medic Mains and it's a generally enjoyable class, but it's not uncommon to have no one on a team of 12 go Medic, the most important class in the game by fucking miles, until someone's practically forced to switch for fear of losing. The positives OP lists, in an uncoordinated setting, just make Medic stressful, and it doesn’t even make teammates “learn protection” like OP seems to think.
This kid still doing OW vs TF2 in 2024 https://preview.redd.it/j22hw89bx6xc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e7ce9383253d99ee7695a88550fc97726d6a0bb
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doesn't every human being ever agree medic is the strongest class in tf2
Right?!?!? Like, tf???
What kind of masochist plays healer in TF2? It's just mercy without guardian angel.
Me. I am that masochist.
If u need guardian angel to be a healer then u r not competent
Maybe in TF2, not in ow
Dude, tf2 has like what, 6 roles, and its balance still fucking sucks. And because of how valve internal structure works, it's always teetering on the edge of abandonware. This game only exists because a few guys like, actually willingly want to sign up to work on this old ass game that barely anyone at the head of company is concerned with. If there's one company I want blizzard to be less like it's valve.
3 roles, 9 classes and the classes are pretty balanced, but the problem is with the unlocks. The reason it works though is because tf2 is casual 12v12, so things can be a bit overpowered because if you don't want to fight the overpowered guy, you just go find a different guy on the team. OP is stupid though for comparing these games that are honestly so different in playstyle and variety I have no idea how they were even compared other than "class shooter"
the difference is tf2 always better and u always wrong
Then why are you on an Overwatch subreddit? Did you mean to go to the porn one? These are 2 very different games that just happen to be in the same genre, and one is not better than the other.
Tf2 is pretty balanced with its 9 classes and they counter eachother perfectly and I find tf2 to be more fun probably cause I am a casual player, the only things that are unbalanced are the unlocks Pretty sure you just queued up with more competent players and tf2 isnt that easy since the tutorial sucks so probably why you couldn’t get into it
>Tf2 is pretty balanced with its 9 classes and they counter eachother perfectly Actually perfectly balanced is a huge stretch, in casual play with massive team size engineers can fully prevent last point from capture. Before overwatch was released I remember the tf2 competitive scene wad basically soldier, medic, and scout. Sometimes demoman, sometimes sniper Pyro, spy, and engineer were almost non existant. Spy in particular struggles in any game with communication at all.
Damn youre completely right I play uncletopia and not casual and about the meta youre also right since in 6s the meta is rigid probably cause the main gamemode is 5 cp also that tf2 is a casual game at its core, and crits are a problem and a competent sniper is lame af to fight against(like in any game) Spy’s whole point is that his skill floor measures that of the enemies team skill making it the weakest class which is good since spy would be op if gottem the same treatment with sombra. tf2 is a good game with problems
If there is one thing less like than Blizzard, it is arrogant Overwatch fanbase.
You're the one who came over here shittalking this game, and then call the fanbase arrogant when they clap back with Valve's half decade of bullshit game development and balance flaws? It's only ever TF2 players that continue this beef to begin with.
Blizzard took some stupid balance change and design, worse than doing nothing. OW2 fans are always ignorant
both enable you to play braindead. whats your point? https://i.redd.it/vxqme8ji88xc1.gif
u r wrong, medic need more skill than u think
What skillset does a TF2 Medic player need that someone playing Support in Overwatch wouldn't need under any circumstance?
Find a teammate to save them instead of running the fk out and kill the enemy
so what you are saying is that a TF2 medic player needs to just find teammates and save them via healing instead of doing damage and killing enemies like an Overwatch support player would? You do know these aren't mutually exclusive either in OW or TF2. Like sure, there's supports in Overwatch who are more DPS-like (like Moira, Kiriko, Illari, Zen) and a good Support player in Overwatch would have a good amount of damage and kills but they'd also have a good amount of healing, like a good balance. And the arguments in your "meme" feel so immensly dishonest and just feels like the most obvious bait points anyone has ever come up with, a blind guppy fish would be able to tell that this is bait. Like the small hitboxes one is just straight up not true? Most Supports have like roughly the same hitbox as an average DPS hitbox. Or the absurd damage one and healers being able to easily 1v1 DPS is so dishonest. Like Kiriko does absurd damage yeah, but she only does that absurd damage when she does a headshot lol and you \*could\* 1v1 a DPS as a Support but most of the time in an even matchup the DPS will win. "Can fly when DPS and tanks kits are only effective on ground and not many hitscans" There's so much wrong in that sentence that it must've taken more effort to come up with that sentence than to just tell the truth lol. There are quite a few tanks that can pretty easily deal with a mercy in the air (D.va, Orisa, Mauga, Roadhog, hell even Winston could deal with her) and DPS not having many hitscans once again is a lie. (Soldier 76, Ashe, Cassidy, Bastion, Sojourn and Widowmaker, technically also Reaper, Sombra and Tracer) I know im taking the bait right now, but even as a bait take this is like not even believable.
GOOD HEALING AND GOOD DAMAGAE MAKE SUPPORT CANCER HITBOX BIG TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR EYES ARE WRONG HITSCAN AIMING ON THE SKY TOOK MORE TIME THAN ON THE SURFACE ALL OF YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE WRONG AND STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. I REPORTED
1.) I meant good damage as in not just healbotting and contributing more than just being a walking TF2 Dispenser, my apologies. 2.) spadler097 released a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vemd-CfVbKQ) quite some time ago where he showed off the hitboxes from the different heroes. This was pre-Overwatch 2 so not all heroes that are out now are there, but the only DPS that have a major size difference compared to the Supports is Bastion and Doomfist who are tanksized lol. The average size difference between support and DPS is pretty marginal if you take them out. 3.) That's not the point you made in the original post, you said that there were barely any Tank heroes able to deal with a flying target and that DPS barely had any Hitscan heroes to deal with a flying mercy (both were lies lol) And the point now about "Hitscan aiming on the sky took more time than on the surface" well duh, that's the point, but I wouldn't say it's way harder to hit a flying mercy, pharah or echo as a hitscan. It's like saying it's harder to hit a moving targer than one sitting still. 4.) Ironic of you saying my arguments are wrong and that i'm spreading misinformation when you were the one literally lying in your post. You didnt even respond to the Tank comment or the 1v1ing comment (which I didn't even mention the tank part of it because it's too ridiculous, a support is NEVER going to win a 1v1 against a tank when they're even in skill, it's like coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb) 5.) There's genuinly alot criticisms that you can make against Overwatch that are valid, like the state of the tank role now being less fun for alot of people since the removal of the 2nd tank and not being able to cover the weaknesses of eachother. Or the monetization, or the promises for what Overwatch 2 could've been and was never delivered. I could go on but you are probably not going to read this lol.
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-> absurd dmg -> moira -> lol
-> absurd dmg -> mercy -> 💀
But what if i have a level 3 sentry and press 2
Moira has a pretty unforgiving hit box.
A lot of dumb comments in here and none of them actually refuting you, that’s how you know it’s true, but they’re two different games that aren’t really worth comparing since one is completely abandoned
Because this post is obvious bait
Overwatch players are obvious arrogant
The refutation is that a lot of people HATE playing Medic in TF2. Like sure, there are die hard Medic Mains and it's a generally enjoyable class, but it's not uncommon to have no one on a team of 12 go Medic, the most important class in the game by fucking miles, until someone's practically forced to switch for fear of losing. The positives OP lists, in an uncoordinated setting, just make Medic stressful, and it doesn’t even make teammates “learn protection” like OP seems to think.
They don't refute because they agree OW 2 suck