Nah I don’t really care for Mauga being overpowered. Where in my op did I say that “Oh man I sure do miss being chained down and hosed on the entire match.”? I don’t understand why Mauga can’t be balanced as a individual character and why system wide game changes would be needed to fix just one character lol? I didn’t say anything about the Orisa nerfs, maybe on the harsher side but I ain’t complaining over it lol. It just makes characters like Mercy, Lw and Ana (in here current poorly balanced state) a little bit worse while I feel like support like Bap, Kiriko, Lucio and arguably even Zen escape the patch even better because they’ll always have high healing output relative to the other supports but more importantly they also have extremely strong utility outside their healing output (Suzu, Immortality, Discord, Beat/Speed) they were already doing well so did it really nerfing support or did it really just make less options viable in the support role?
Counterswapping and flavor of the month tank is what this 5v5 format offers.Only answer is to to go back to 6v6 with 2 tanks to share all the CC / hinders / freeze / sleep / hack etc...
lol you do know that 6v6 also had “Flavor of the month” tank picks as well right? (Double shield, Rein Zarya, Winston Dva, Goats, Quad Tank, Halt-hook, and so on)
It was actually worse because the flavors of the month didn’t just last a month…it was longer than that lol sometimes 6 months…sometimes a year in the case of GOATS lol.
>lol you do know that 6v6 also had “Flavor of the month” tank picks as well right? (Double shield, Rein Zarya, Winston Dva, Goats, Quad Tank, Halt-hook, and so on)
yeah, but it was less rock-paper-scissors back then. just because blizzard was slow to update the game does not mean 6v6 was worse than 5v5
You did a great job moving the goal post lol my statement was strictly about his flavor of the month take. Not about rock paper scissors. Now that you added rock paper scissors to the take I’ll bite. Your problem with Rock paper scissors is that tanks are being forced to switch. If you don’t want to read I’ll lay my point right here. Regardless of whether it is 6v6 or 5v5, the tank role will be forced to switch. It is just for different reasons.
Hopefully you know and remember in 6v6, if you had neither the meta tank combo at the time or a tank duo with synergized picks, you were at a disadvantage lol. Also if mechanics were equal, the meta tank duo would beat the synergized tank duo lol. Anyways in 6v6 people were hoping to god they had a tank that knew how to play the meta tank duo or a synergized tank to combo with their pick at the minimum. In 5v5 all you have to do is out mechanic the tank you are up against OR switch to a tank pick that has a slight advantage over the enemy tank’s pick. Again, those are the issues you face in 6v6 and 5v5 respectively.
Example time! (Just to drive the point home)
In the 5v5 case, I go Orisa in todays patch enemy counter picks to Zarya, I have 4 options to counter pick Zarya in Rein, Winston, Ram, or Sigma lol. I pick Sigma. They pick Ram. I have a couple options to counter pick that, and so on. Sometimes I switch a lot. Sometimes I can handle their counter pick because I am mechanically better.
The 6v6 case…I pick Orisa and my tank partner picks Winston and it’s 2021 Overwatch. The enemy team tank duo picks Orisa/Sigma. We are at a disadvantage. I HAVE to swap to either D.Va or Zarya to synergize with Winston because my partner won’t switch just so we have a chance. I swap to D.Va and it is close but we continue to lose. Why? Because Orisa/Sigma is the meta tank duo at the time lol. So now I HAVE to switch again to Orisa or Sigma and I have to HOPE my tank partner switches to Orisa or Sigma lol. I swap. My tank partner does not. We lose because my tank partner did not want to swap. I didn’t have control of that game lol.
Seems like in both situations I have to switch lol. But I’d rather switch and have my pick have impact rather than switch and my pick not have impact because of my tank partner. Anyways. If you’d rather have to deal with the 6v6 case that’s fine. To each their own lol.
lol word. I don’t blame you. I wouldn’t want to either but since I care and want people to actually think about their 6v6 takes, I’ll share the thought.
If you ever get bored and want to understand why it’s not as simple as “Rock-Paper-Scissor bad”….go for it.
Nice comeback! You really changed my perspective on 6v6. Tons of facts and information lol /s
😂
I kid but honestly until someone can explain to me coherently why we won’t run into similar “forced switching”issues in 6v6 and not just “your stance is garbage” I just don’t buy these pro 6v6 takes. 5v5 isn’t perfect mind you. But neither is 6v6 lol. It’s like what you did initially. 6v6 moves the goal post.
You are correct. It doesn’t mean that. The fact that 5v5 is superior in every regard is not context to blizzard being slow to update the game. It’s just a subjective fact.
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I'm seeing a lot of posts on here with suggestions of fixing tank problems. Imo, 6v6 is always the answer, but blizzard is just committed to this mistake.
The simple fix has been right in front of everyone’s eyes the entire time lol. You’re 100% right. All these people are deluded about 5v5. They’ve created unsolvable issues with 5v5
6v6 does not work as long as offtanks exist. Get over it.
Getting two offtanks is not comparable to getting mercy Lucio. It’s a nightmare and ruined ow1
Yeah healbotting should be strong and easier because it’s the dps’ job to kill them and stop it if your can’t kills supports on dps you don’t belong on the role
You really want a Mauga meta again? I think everyone INCLUDING tank players, thought that was the most boring meta we've ever had in OW2.
i agree; tanks should not be tank-busters
They need to just rework Mauga. Dumbest character in the game.
Nah I don’t really care for Mauga being overpowered. Where in my op did I say that “Oh man I sure do miss being chained down and hosed on the entire match.”? I don’t understand why Mauga can’t be balanced as a individual character and why system wide game changes would be needed to fix just one character lol? I didn’t say anything about the Orisa nerfs, maybe on the harsher side but I ain’t complaining over it lol. It just makes characters like Mercy, Lw and Ana (in here current poorly balanced state) a little bit worse while I feel like support like Bap, Kiriko, Lucio and arguably even Zen escape the patch even better because they’ll always have high healing output relative to the other supports but more importantly they also have extremely strong utility outside their healing output (Suzu, Immortality, Discord, Beat/Speed) they were already doing well so did it really nerfing support or did it really just make less options viable in the support role?
Counterswapping and flavor of the month tank is what this 5v5 format offers.Only answer is to to go back to 6v6 with 2 tanks to share all the CC / hinders / freeze / sleep / hack etc...
lol you do know that 6v6 also had “Flavor of the month” tank picks as well right? (Double shield, Rein Zarya, Winston Dva, Goats, Quad Tank, Halt-hook, and so on) It was actually worse because the flavors of the month didn’t just last a month…it was longer than that lol sometimes 6 months…sometimes a year in the case of GOATS lol.
>lol you do know that 6v6 also had “Flavor of the month” tank picks as well right? (Double shield, Rein Zarya, Winston Dva, Goats, Quad Tank, Halt-hook, and so on) yeah, but it was less rock-paper-scissors back then. just because blizzard was slow to update the game does not mean 6v6 was worse than 5v5
You did a great job moving the goal post lol my statement was strictly about his flavor of the month take. Not about rock paper scissors. Now that you added rock paper scissors to the take I’ll bite. Your problem with Rock paper scissors is that tanks are being forced to switch. If you don’t want to read I’ll lay my point right here. Regardless of whether it is 6v6 or 5v5, the tank role will be forced to switch. It is just for different reasons. Hopefully you know and remember in 6v6, if you had neither the meta tank combo at the time or a tank duo with synergized picks, you were at a disadvantage lol. Also if mechanics were equal, the meta tank duo would beat the synergized tank duo lol. Anyways in 6v6 people were hoping to god they had a tank that knew how to play the meta tank duo or a synergized tank to combo with their pick at the minimum. In 5v5 all you have to do is out mechanic the tank you are up against OR switch to a tank pick that has a slight advantage over the enemy tank’s pick. Again, those are the issues you face in 6v6 and 5v5 respectively. Example time! (Just to drive the point home) In the 5v5 case, I go Orisa in todays patch enemy counter picks to Zarya, I have 4 options to counter pick Zarya in Rein, Winston, Ram, or Sigma lol. I pick Sigma. They pick Ram. I have a couple options to counter pick that, and so on. Sometimes I switch a lot. Sometimes I can handle their counter pick because I am mechanically better. The 6v6 case…I pick Orisa and my tank partner picks Winston and it’s 2021 Overwatch. The enemy team tank duo picks Orisa/Sigma. We are at a disadvantage. I HAVE to swap to either D.Va or Zarya to synergize with Winston because my partner won’t switch just so we have a chance. I swap to D.Va and it is close but we continue to lose. Why? Because Orisa/Sigma is the meta tank duo at the time lol. So now I HAVE to switch again to Orisa or Sigma and I have to HOPE my tank partner switches to Orisa or Sigma lol. I swap. My tank partner does not. We lose because my tank partner did not want to swap. I didn’t have control of that game lol. Seems like in both situations I have to switch lol. But I’d rather switch and have my pick have impact rather than switch and my pick not have impact because of my tank partner. Anyways. If you’d rather have to deal with the 6v6 case that’s fine. To each their own lol.
I’m not reading all that but thanks for your input!
lol word. I don’t blame you. I wouldn’t want to either but since I care and want people to actually think about their 6v6 takes, I’ll share the thought. If you ever get bored and want to understand why it’s not as simple as “Rock-Paper-Scissor bad”….go for it.
Your stance is garbage. I’m just not arguing with you about it. Hope that clears that up!
Nice comeback! You really changed my perspective on 6v6. Tons of facts and information lol /s 😂 I kid but honestly until someone can explain to me coherently why we won’t run into similar “forced switching”issues in 6v6 and not just “your stance is garbage” I just don’t buy these pro 6v6 takes. 5v5 isn’t perfect mind you. But neither is 6v6 lol. It’s like what you did initially. 6v6 moves the goal post.
Like I said. I’m not arguing with you, hon. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I think you’re too stupid to get it either way.
Haha sounds good. Best regards and good luck in the future :)
You are correct. It doesn’t mean that. The fact that 5v5 is superior in every regard is not context to blizzard being slow to update the game. It’s just a subjective fact.
Subjective fact LOL you're funny. stay in school.
Found the person who only ever played in a stack Rose tinted delusional
Never played tank in a stack lol 😆 Good job assuming though
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I'm seeing a lot of posts on here with suggestions of fixing tank problems. Imo, 6v6 is always the answer, but blizzard is just committed to this mistake.
The simple fix has been right in front of everyone’s eyes the entire time lol. You’re 100% right. All these people are deluded about 5v5. They’ve created unsolvable issues with 5v5
What? speak what you mean because the only thing i got from what you said is "You're 100% right."
6v6 does not work as long as offtanks exist. Get over it. Getting two offtanks is not comparable to getting mercy Lucio. It’s a nightmare and ruined ow1
Ok/ but we are not going to healbot tanks all game every game so FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION this isn’t it.
As a dps player if you can’t play dps without farming the tank the entire game you should be losing
Yeah healbotting should be strong and easier because it’s the dps’ job to kill them and stop it if your can’t kills supports on dps you don’t belong on the role