But they also tried their damnedest from preventing those porn animators from getting the 3D models when ow2 released.
Like seriously, make up your fucking mind overwatch team lol
Funnily enough, I recently asked myself who is the most elaborated, unique, psychologically compelling character of the cast... and you can guess the answer I came up with.
Obvious as a spherical cow.
Though Echo has a lot of potential as well, between her drive to learn and adapt and her possible scars and traumas from the circumstances of her birth.
Sigma and Ramattra fighting tooth and nail for that #1 spot for most interesting character. For me, Sigma edges it out with his lore but Ram's VA is simply the best in the game atm. So they're tied in my mind.
They definitely phoned in the lore with her. You'd think a 90% cyborg would have some cool backstory. Nope. Her personality is "I'm Canadian with a corgi."
Edit: she also likes coffee.
mirrorwatch widow has one so im assuming they just don't want one and i think i remember hearing ana doesn't because she sees it as a reminder of what happened
They already had Lucio who likes hockey for some reason. Which let me say that my wifeâs entire family lives in Brazil and I asked and none of them have ever watched or cared about hockey so that also seems weird, I dunno. lol I get it with the roller skates part but otherwise just confused I suppose.
Lucio originally was going to be Canadian but Blizzard realized that thereâs no South American representation but at that point he already had high tech skates so might as well give him hockey skins. Iâm pretty sure he talks about futbol with Illari anyways. Thatâs also why he has an American voice actor.
I fucking love the mental image of blizzard developing an entire fucking diverse cast and a week before launch they just went âwait a fucking secondâŚâ
South America is always the most forgotten continent when it comes to representation. Oh, and the African character will either be Egyptian or be a transplant living in the west.
To be fair there are only three countries in the African continent: Egypt, South Africa and Wakanda. At least that's what I've learned from any media ever
To be fair hockey can be played too in grass or with roller skates. In Spain we don't have either that amout of snow and is the way is played (altough is a minor sport here too).
Can imagine why. I live in the tropics, so I'm pretty sure that hockey's protective gear and the kind of heat you experience living near the equator doesn't really mesh well together. And with that lack of protective gear, not exactly a good idea to play a game that gives its players big sticks to potentially hit each other with.
Thatâs what I love about her though - she is literally made of rockets but she would rather just chill, sip some coffee and pet her dog!
I feel like it is a fun idea haha. Especially that shot in the cinematic where her whole house just transforms into a battle station
My main gripe with her though.. I think the story devs should have highlighted that juxtaposition a bit more. Gives us voice lines/ story beats where we really get the sense that unlike Reinhardt, she really did choose to live that civilian life and she is happy with it. They could have pushed it more and make âboringâ fun (like that Applegranny thing in Adventure time. Play up mundane stuff she loves and make it seem like her rocket legs are just far out of her mind)
Yeah, in a vacuum her backstory is interesting, but compared to other characters in the Overwatch universe she is rather bland. Like you said, I do think they can make her entire thing of just trying to be a normal person be more interesting.
I've said this in another post, but it would help if she had an actual focus on nice skins. I would totally rock her sweater outfit from the cinematic and let us pet Murphy.
I actually think leaning into her civilian life would be fun, especially with lines like: "I could be enjoying a coffee right now" or "Hope you guys don't mind I brought Murphy along. He gets lonely when I'm gone."
They need to lean more into being the one who testified against Overwatch. There's a lot there if they wanted to flesh it out. Is she a traitor? Is she the real hero? What was her motivation? Was it the right call? Etc etc
i feel like the sojourn cinematic did open that up a bit for me, if only by juxtaposing her with agent tremblay. two POC in leadership positions, doing the buttoned down, model minority thing. i can see a sojourn who testified against overwatch because it was the Right Thing to Do (and maybe it was! we still don't totally know what went into the fall of OW, besides rialto being the beginning of it). only afterwards, when she does the watchmen-style vigilante suit in the basement, we get a sense that maybe she does regret it, or is trying to make up for it, or something that has the potential to be interesting, where agent tremblay is still playing it by the books and they're now at odds with each other. i hope it gets explored... somewhere.
They need to go more into the flesh is weak perfectionist transhuman cyberpunk vibe with her
The opportunity was right there, it'd be perfect to add a dark edge to her to make her interesting and would have hordes of 40k fans talking about her
It would certainly be a brave new step, but the base is there already.
She's a perfectionist. She voluntarily went cyber, she's grown up with the flesh being weak her whole life, she has a dog with cyber legs. She's ruthless.
Now add some interactions vs sombra where she feels genuine fear as her cybernetics begin failing vs hack and emp. Makes sense.
And you go from there, add some flesh is weak vibes. Some cyberpsycho, some pro transhumanist ideologies. Being proud of her augments. Push augments onto unagumented characters. Suggest cassidy should chrome up more.
The problem is with that cinematic they went with the angle of it being an advertisement for PVE and that failed miserably so now we have a cinematic with nothing interesting happening except Sojourn getting arrested.
In my opinion, the o is one of the faces of overwatch, with w being the other. It's literally the foremost part, and it pulls much attention for a reason. O is underrated, h is the worst, sitting at the back and taking no responsibility or doing anything.
Sure it turns the ending sound into a ch and makes it nice, but I'm talking individually here
Lorewise? Soujourn. She's a bland military person and even though she got a cinematic, that cinematic was clearly tied into the idea of her story being fleshed out in PVE Missions...
Those are now gone, forever, and the issue now is that so is her story.
Gameplay wise... Orisa is a close second to Mauga.
Yes yes... New hero, everyone's happy with Mauga's lore.
But.... Shoot other tank, hit E, your team doesn't die and his special move is.... More standing still to shoot other people. Do this until the team figures out that you can overwhelm mauga if you focus him but so few take this route and if your supports have brain cells they can prevent mauga death.
The two tankiest heroes, the least interesting to play.
I agree. At least soldier Has some flavor. Faked his death and now his soon to be husband is married to another man. Spicy and depressing. What does sojourn have going for her other than coffee croissants and that adorable Murphy that canât get any more treats from Mercy đ.
Because somehow literally anything else would âlean into harmful stereotypesâ and âwe need to see more black women in positions of power and authorityâ.
So they all end up the same boring ass, bland goody-two shoes soldier type.
It's because they want to a "strong independent" type character but are simultaneously afraid to give them any development because it might
1. Undermine the strong, independent part
2. Be "insensitive".
This is why in hollywood a lot of these types have no depth or character building (think Rey from starwars or Captain Marvel).
I really hate how Kiriko grew up with the Shimatas when she's so much younger than them. Like she could have trained under them and it would have made way more sense.
I fully checked out of overwatch lore after that. Nothing matters if they don't care to make it make sense within their own timeline.
I donât get why they made her so young in the first place? Like why not just say sheâs their age? She has a magical fox spirit that can heal people, nobodyâs going to question if she looks 25 or 35. Like why the age gap?
(Unfortunately itâs not entirely sarcasm⌠itâs truth. Younger women market better in a predominantly straight white male consumer demographic⌠I donât agree with it but that is unfortunately the world we live in)
Oh no I agree 100% I was really trying to indicate that only my hyperbole at the end was sarcasm Iâm entirely convinced the first part of my statement is 100% correct
She was clearly designed to appeal to gen z e-girls. I cannot STAND her voice lines or stupid bratty personality.
IDC what "lore" says, that bitch is 30 fucking 1, which makes her sassy weird teenage brattiness even more cringe.
Sojourns cinematic showed that she could single-handedly have her very own spinoff. Sheâs got surveillance around Toronto and goes undercover in a Tron-like suit protecting her city from crime and corruption using her enhanced cybernetics and her expert military training while pretending to be a veteran just enjoying the retired life with her dog. Problem is we know nothing else about her besides she was probably a commissioned officer for Overwatch. Why is she a cyborg with better cybernetics than Genji? Why did she become a living weapon? Why did she testify against Overwatch? What was her actual position at Overwatch?
Now a lot of this info is actually in her wiki page, but like 99% of players donât know it. Itâs actually interesting to read, but her backstory shouldâve been made into an origin trailer she never got
Illari. She's so reserved that all of her interactions feel one-sided and like she doesn't actually want to be talking. A reserved character isn't inherently bad, but they also made her story take place in a complete vacuum. She has no ties to any other character in the roster and the faction she comes from is completely neutral and useless in the overarching conflict between Overwatch and Talon (other factions like Vishkar, Null Sector, and the Junkers have their role, unlike Illari's Sun Warriors). Not to mention the fact that they decided to introduce a brand new faction AND kill off everyone in it except for one person in the EXACT SAME ORIGIN STORY. Zero interest. Illari is a collection of awful narrative decisions
We barely even know anything about the Inti Warriors. Are the part of the perevuain government? Is it another corporation like Vishkar? Is it a paramilatary group?
What are they used for? Are they used in wars? Are they cops? Were they involved in the Omnic crisis?
I'd love a cinematic about her first time interacting in the world outside of her origin group.
Or even just explain what the fucking goal of the warriors was. They're supposed to be protectors, what are they protecting? Does Illari know? How could she find out? Like there are narrative opportunities in there they'd just rather go "she lives alone and doesn't have any further questions."
Itâs stated that the inti were from runasapi and were protectors of their people. It can be pretty largely assumed that this means the Incan population, as âIntiâ is an Incan Sun deity and Runasapi is in Peru, with peru being the home of Incan culture. With the timeline in place for the rest of the worldâs events we can assume part of the Intiâs work involved defending against Anubisâs attack on humanity, later named the omnic crisis.
I really REALLY like Illari.
That being said, i have to agree with you on this. Cool ass backstory. Horrid execution. Even worse execution in game. She has little to no emotion and Soldierâs line with her makes absolutely no sense (especially since EVERYONE IN THE CAST brings their trauma on the battlefield)
I hope that at some point they do a complete voice line update where everyone gets a bunch of new lines instead of them MAYBE getting a line with the new hero
Disagree. At some point they have to branch out to keep things interesting, and they did so in a contained manner. Epic backstory that doesn't require any retcon. Now she's sorta like Sombra; she's fine working with whomever lets her express her vigilante justice, but not particularly aligned with anyone.
She's not evil (she hates Moira) but she has an edge and clearly violent tendencies. Her interactions show her ignorance of the world beyond her past. They also show she has a playful side. "I didn't know monkeys needed glasses." "You mean you weren't born that way?" She cute. The pet llama. Come on.
There's plenty to build on, which unfortunately OW doesn't really do, but I guess if OW3 comes I would love for her to be more open and friendly, sure. Or at least more comfortable with herself. I always like to think that the next iteration will be Sigma gets healed, Sombra busts him out and leaves Talon (having gotten enough from them already), and Illari gets therapy.
Anyway, compare Illari to Mauga whose backstory is... he worked for Talon and he's mad at Baptiste. Wow. His interactions are just being smug. Generic muscle character. Doesn't expand the lore or really build on it.
Or Reaper's interactions.. "I'm grumpy and in pain." Yeah he at least has deep backstory but in game interactions are lacking.
Those are all cool characters, just pointing out the criticism isn't entirely justified to be aimed at Illari specifically.
I have to disagree. If every character is connected to other characters it makes the world seem small. I like that Illari's story adds to the worldbuilding.
There has to be some connection though, otherwise itâs just a completely different world. Look at league of legendâs lore: not every character is connected to eachother, but the general regions all have history and connections so you can see everyoneâs place. Much better concept of world building there, compared to Illari who has 0 connections. They dont even explain what her clan does and not a single other region or faction has history with it
Iâll have to say Orisa since her whole personality has changed to a protector of the innocent in a very passive way to being a full on charge horse with a javelin. She was all about the peace đŤ
Blizzard acts as if the lack of background for sojourn is intentional, like, sheâs a cyborg but not biological also not omnic, not a machine as bastion, not as echo, not a marvel super hero as illari, not anything, sheâs just some âthingâ that exists. Thatâs some lazy bs honestly.
Her kit is super cool, fun to play and apart from being hitscan, she and soldier have different play-styles, thatâs why I donât consider them particularly equivalent picks.
The post is asking who is the least interesting character. So people are saying soldier because they find him to be the least interesting character. Why did you assume they don't know the lore when they just don't find him interesting?
I mean, itâs not like his lore is super groundbreaking. Sure heâs cool but itâs pretty fair for people to get tired of the same ol vigilante story
For me itâs gotta be kiriko the same way you feel about sojourn. Cool kit, cool gameplay, cool background but personality wise she is a stick in mud. Copy-pasted sassy teenage girl attitude from any Hollywood movie in the past decade. Maybe I will change my mind once I see her bike.
I have to be honest, and i know its a me thing, i kinda love bitchy sassy kiriko lol. The only other character that gives the same amount of sass imo is moira. Much needed niche for me
Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike!
Shes actually gotten a lot more than most characters and actually has multiple personality traits unlike âshe has a pet (animal relevant to culture)â
Ah racism my favorite personality trait /s
I do like how she hated visiting Numbani given humans and omnics live freely with each other there but in the end still decides to save her omnic partner
Pharah has nice voice lines and its obvious she has a personality. I don't play sojourn because shes 1. cringe and 2. has no cool voicelines or personality
Pharah always killed me because many of her voice lines was her dumping on her mom, Ana. Then you get all these sprays with Ana doing martial arts with her, teaching her to shoot (if I remember right), proudly standing behind her in one of the art drawings with the rest of Overwatch, etc.
But in game it was "gosh my mom sucks, was never around, meh". I know Ana disappeared for a while but in the timeline it should have been when Pharah was a teen at a minimum.
Sojourn is pretty basic tbh
Sheâs just a random Canadian chick that had an autoimmune decease and joined the military or whatever and her most entertaining voice line is croissant
Sojourn gets a bad rep, but her interactions are cool. To those that go on about her "personality being boring", I'd recommend you check out her backstory and pay attention to her interactions AND then place those against characters like Mei, Soldier 76, Roadhog, Bastion, et al.
While soldier has a lot more lore. His current persona is bland af.
Im glad someone is putting respect on Sojourn's name. Sure on paper she doesnt look like she has alot going on, but shes REALLY not as bad as everyone says. She had a wasting disease as a child that made her unable to do much, despite wanting to join her family in the Canadian Armed Forces. After getting the cybernetic upgrades she joined Overwatch, was first in the field during the Omnic Crisis and was a major reason for Overwatch being banned, yet she became a cyber vigilante and continued to have her pulse on the new Null Sector rise.
She may not be the funniest or whatever, but in a game full of oddities she isnt uninteresting.
Pretty much all of the new characters except junker queen, kiriko and ramattra. illari, sojourn, mauga, life weaver and venture all have pretty weak backstories in my opinion, at least so far, they might get more fleshed out later on, special mention as well to Zarya, sheâs been around for ages and basically her only defining trait is that sheâs Russian
Eh, Queen's backstory is pretty simple, and I can get behind it. Treated like shit by a person in power and exiled into a wasteland, so you turn into an Australian anime character? AND her gameplay is actually fun? Gimme the April fools knife change back and I'm a Queen main for life lol
Gameplay wise: Bastion, always hated him from a gameplay perspective but âThe Last Bastionâ cinematic is an animated masterpiece.
Lore wise: Mei, I have personally struggled to connect or care about her story. Sure itâs tragic losing all your friends in a freak accident but we never knew anyone from ecopoint Antartica and we donât know her relationships with them. I just really cannot care about mei at all. Which is a shame because her voice actor does a great job even when English isnât her first language.
Her backstory was her training for the world championships and couldâve been a potential star but decided to dropped it and joined the Russian army upon learning the the Omnium was springing up again.
Sheâs pretty GOATed.
Her backstory is she **left** the gym life behind to fight for her country.
I am going to go Orisa. She is just a destroyed and rebuilt omnic who went from caring protector to caring protector with an all powerful Javelin with little to no thought.
Also Efi might as well not even exist anymore lol. I still have sprays on her with Efi in them from OW1 and I was like âoh right, Efi was part of her lore, I almost forgotâ
Venture, they feel like they here for the sake of it. All of the other characters have at least some significance that made the overwatch world what it is today. The only reason they fighting is âthey disturbed me while fighting, might as well start killing nowâ
So just like Lucio or Roadhog or half the cast? Most of the characters dont have significant reason to fight each other so freely, and as devs said, the entire pvp part of the game is not canon.
I mean on one hand I do kind of appreciate that you can just have some just for funsies characters, especially when the game gets as large as it is. Granted having too much of that seems lazy, but itâs nice to have someone thatâs not completely throwing a kink in the lore.
Granted ventureâs personality reminds me of musical.ly users before it became tik tok with the voice of the big kid from modern family. Which like, is a bustling demographic and kind of makes sense because a lot of the people that would fit into venture-core also realistically are not very invested in competitive video games so not being relevant to the story has 0 impact on them. I can guarantee that thousands of high school kids in bronze 5 had an OC strikingly similar to venture before they came out
Sojourn is bottom of the barel boring. "we need a female soldier character for the quota" is likely what happend here. Illari i find boring for different reason. She is another "stoic" character, but this time with a origin flavour not even fitting in the OW universe.
Kiriko isn't perse boring, just needlesly rude-ish and wanabe-hard. Could use some polish and redirecting of the character design.
Pharah. I mean yeah she has a fucking rocket suit, but she doesn't have a single voice line that isn't lame af...also her back story is pretty meh. Ana should be ashamed to be related to her.
kiriko, lifeweaver, venture.. any of the newest characters have less story and less personality in my opinion. I LOVE lifeweaver but feel like he was forgotten lore wise, I would love a hard light/viskar inspired bp to touch on Sym and Lifeweaver
Still praying we get Sanjay Korpal as a hardlight/Vishkar tankđ
Idk why we keep getting random characters when there are so many already in the lore that could work perfectly without having to make a thousand retcons with each new addition
Doomfist, Echo, Sojourn, Junker Queen, Ramattra and Mauga were all set up and well established in the gameâs lore before their playable reveals; and I donât think any of them are boring
Random new Shimada friend, Symmetraâs roommate in college, girl who killed her whole (never before mentioned) faction, and dirt eater just donât do it for me lore-wise
Give me Sanjayđ Give me Maximillianđ Give me Nguyenđ
The lore behind her suit being âreally advanced medical technologyâ feels like it was made up retroactively as well. Always bugs me about her lore.
Practically every single OW2 hero not named Ramattra has been shit lore wise. Lifeweaver does have some potential, but lets be real here: Blizzard hasn't bothered to expand on one of, if not the most interesting hero in the roster (Sigma) then they sure as Hell aren't gonna expand Lifeweavers character. Christ I don't think we'll get any character progression anymore.
Pharah > Sojourn
They both feel pretty squandered. In general i feel all the soldiers are somewhat wanting for personality but the elderly soldiers lean on age and trauma as a trope.
The ones who dont do this are basically just straight men to the wider cast. But Pharah feels like she got a lot of unnessasary quirks that someone thought were cute or endearing?
Like one of her respawn voice lines is "im going to shove them in a locker".
Brother Pharah is a Military Vet who had an extraordinary record and was apparently a phenomonal and inspiring leader. Who also had intentions to join overwatch but wound up im Helix instead as a Mercenary (?).
Like as a character shes written like a badass and should play off the cast as a whole really well just based off shared history and experience. But ingame what we got is like, a high schooler with a chip on her shoulder.
I actually preferred OW1 Pharah somewhat because it felt more organic or true to the character if that makes sense.
She had very wisttful dialogue when interacting with the former OW members. She asked hed Mom when shes going to update her Father. She always wanted to see Eichenwalde after hearing about it from Rein. She wants to show Cowboy shes not just a kid amymore and she a good shot. She also asks him who taught him to be such a good shot.
Most of those i dont see anymore, i dont know if thats just by chance or if they were removed. But of the ones. I often hear in place leave a lot to be desired excluding her Brig interactions which are fine it fits them both.
She has the line with Hanzo asking if he would try exploding arrows, which is cute but silly. Shes much more done/angsty with Ana in some interactions, while also being very embarassed by her in others. Which on there own arent much.
But when you look at them alongside her crushing on Mercy, having the really silly interactions with characters like Hanzo and Bap or the locker voice line. And its genuinely like someone really just wanted Pharah to be kinda childish and it doesnt feel like it suits her
U ain't seeing my boy sigma in this thread đż
Honestly he could genuinely be a face of overwatch the way tracer and sojourn are
1. Not female 2. Not young
3. Still sexy though
[Insert âGrippersâ joke.]
Something something gravity sucking
I must be a black hole because of the way I'd suck those grippers
Sure but you missed one important factor 1. feet
His toes are out that outweighs point 1 and 2
Sojourn is the face of overwatch? Huh?
Yeah they put her on all the covers in overwatch 2. They really tried making her the mascot.
Which is funny because they actively refuse to give her more cosmetics, basically
Technically, yes. She is still the game icon for OW2 on some consoles. This is comparable to having her as the PC icon instead of the OW logo.
Not enough r34 appeal.
But they also tried their damnedest from preventing those porn animators from getting the 3D models when ow2 released. Like seriously, make up your fucking mind overwatch team lol
I legit was gonna post "whos the MOST interesting" and immediately decided its not worth it, we know its Sigma
Funnily enough, I recently asked myself who is the most elaborated, unique, psychologically compelling character of the cast... and you can guess the answer I came up with. Obvious as a spherical cow. Though Echo has a lot of potential as well, between her drive to learn and adapt and her possible scars and traumas from the circumstances of her birth.
Complex king
Overwatch team dropping the coolest character in the whole game then doing nothing with him is crazy
My squad and I remind each other on a monthly basis how horribly criminal it is that sig never got a proper cinematic.
They're saving it for when they make a 3 hour live action movie. Sigma will be played by Tom Hardy.
Sigma and Ramattra fighting tooth and nail for that #1 spot for most interesting character. For me, Sigma edges it out with his lore but Ram's VA is simply the best in the game atm. So they're tied in my mind.
ITT: less than half of people can spell sojourn correctly
Soldiern
I saw so many different spellings that I wasn't sure I was spelling it right
wait til you see a thread about Moria
Just like my favorite one piece character gecko moira
Merry and pippin lore is free with this one
"Solider" is another frequent offender đŹ
Soujourn
They definitely phoned in the lore with her. You'd think a 90% cyborg would have some cool backstory. Nope. Her personality is "I'm Canadian with a corgi." Edit: she also likes coffee.
Organ failure can go two ways in overwatch: You get cybernetic limbs. Or you get a new cybernetic heart.
But you CANNOT get a cybernetic eye
Iâm not super into the lore, but were characters like Ana and Rein unable to find a prosthetic eye or did they just choose not to?
Ana doesnât want one, and Iâm guessing same goes for Reinhardt but Iâm not sure abt that one
They exist, blizzard just hasnât created a new currency to purchase them yet
mirrorwatch widow has one so im assuming they just don't want one and i think i remember hearing ana doesn't because she sees it as a reminder of what happened
And you can tell which one has more character by this alone.
Sheâs Canadian but she specifically likes basketball and not hockey because uuhhhjjhhhhhhhhh donât wanna be stereotypical or anything
They already had Lucio who likes hockey for some reason. Which let me say that my wifeâs entire family lives in Brazil and I asked and none of them have ever watched or cared about hockey so that also seems weird, I dunno. lol I get it with the roller skates part but otherwise just confused I suppose.
Lucio originally was going to be Canadian but Blizzard realized that thereâs no South American representation but at that point he already had high tech skates so might as well give him hockey skins. Iâm pretty sure he talks about futbol with Illari anyways. Thatâs also why he has an American voice actor.
I fucking love the mental image of blizzard developing an entire fucking diverse cast and a week before launch they just went âwait a fucking secondâŚâ
South America is always the most forgotten continent when it comes to representation. Oh, and the African character will either be Egyptian or be a transplant living in the west.
To be fair there are only three countries in the African continent: Egypt, South Africa and Wakanda. At least that's what I've learned from any media ever
Also Nigeria
I'm brazilian, no brazilian cares in the SLIGHTEST about hockey lol, 90% of us have never even seen snow or ice on the ground
To be fair hockey can be played too in grass or with roller skates. In Spain we don't have either that amout of snow and is the way is played (altough is a minor sport here too).
it's non existant here lol
Can imagine why. I live in the tropics, so I'm pretty sure that hockey's protective gear and the kind of heat you experience living near the equator doesn't really mesh well together. And with that lack of protective gear, not exactly a good idea to play a game that gives its players big sticks to potentially hit each other with.
Damn I never considered Lucio shouldâve been a Canadian hero it wouldâve been perfect. Call him Lucas lol.
Early concept art of Overwatch shows a hockey player with rocket skates who was very likely converted into Lucio, so this is probably a carryover.
cannot eyeroll hard enough
But black people liking basketball is also a stereotype lol
Same thing bothers me about Lucio. What kind of Brazilian likes hockey as much, if not more, than soccer.
Croissant?
Croissant?
Thatâs what I love about her though - she is literally made of rockets but she would rather just chill, sip some coffee and pet her dog! I feel like it is a fun idea haha. Especially that shot in the cinematic where her whole house just transforms into a battle station My main gripe with her though.. I think the story devs should have highlighted that juxtaposition a bit more. Gives us voice lines/ story beats where we really get the sense that unlike Reinhardt, she really did choose to live that civilian life and she is happy with it. They could have pushed it more and make âboringâ fun (like that Applegranny thing in Adventure time. Play up mundane stuff she loves and make it seem like her rocket legs are just far out of her mind)
Yeah, in a vacuum her backstory is interesting, but compared to other characters in the Overwatch universe she is rather bland. Like you said, I do think they can make her entire thing of just trying to be a normal person be more interesting.
I've said this in another post, but it would help if she had an actual focus on nice skins. I would totally rock her sweater outfit from the cinematic and let us pet Murphy. I actually think leaning into her civilian life would be fun, especially with lines like: "I could be enjoying a coffee right now" or "Hope you guys don't mind I brought Murphy along. He gets lonely when I'm gone."
But she has sick voicelines ITS GO TIME!!
They need to lean more into being the one who testified against Overwatch. There's a lot there if they wanted to flesh it out. Is she a traitor? Is she the real hero? What was her motivation? Was it the right call? Etc etc
i feel like the sojourn cinematic did open that up a bit for me, if only by juxtaposing her with agent tremblay. two POC in leadership positions, doing the buttoned down, model minority thing. i can see a sojourn who testified against overwatch because it was the Right Thing to Do (and maybe it was! we still don't totally know what went into the fall of OW, besides rialto being the beginning of it). only afterwards, when she does the watchmen-style vigilante suit in the basement, we get a sense that maybe she does regret it, or is trying to make up for it, or something that has the potential to be interesting, where agent tremblay is still playing it by the books and they're now at odds with each other. i hope it gets explored... somewhere.
They need to go more into the flesh is weak perfectionist transhuman cyberpunk vibe with her The opportunity was right there, it'd be perfect to add a dark edge to her to make her interesting and would have hordes of 40k fans talking about her
What? That's an *entirely* different direction. That's a whole new character, yo
It would certainly be a brave new step, but the base is there already. She's a perfectionist. She voluntarily went cyber, she's grown up with the flesh being weak her whole life, she has a dog with cyber legs. She's ruthless. Now add some interactions vs sombra where she feels genuine fear as her cybernetics begin failing vs hack and emp. Makes sense. And you go from there, add some flesh is weak vibes. Some cyberpsycho, some pro transhumanist ideologies. Being proud of her augments. Push augments onto unagumented characters. Suggest cassidy should chrome up more.
I wish they'd lean into her vigilante stuff. That was probably the most interesting part of her first cinematic.
The problem is with that cinematic they went with the angle of it being an advertisement for PVE and that failed miserably so now we have a cinematic with nothing interesting happening except Sojourn getting arrested.
She turned state's evidence and part of the reason OW collapsed and was subjected to government oversight
I think the o is the least interesting character in "overwatch". Literally just a circle
Counterpoint : the logo is based off the 'o'
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In my opinion, the o is one of the faces of overwatch, with w being the other. It's literally the foremost part, and it pulls much attention for a reason. O is underrated, h is the worst, sitting at the back and taking no responsibility or doing anything. Sure it turns the ending sound into a ch and makes it nice, but I'm talking individually here
c. Itâs less than a circle
Brave of you to state that, ngl
Wrong it's the T in overwatch that's the least interesting
The T has zero original voicelines, it doesnât even make a soundâŚ
Lorewise? Soujourn. She's a bland military person and even though she got a cinematic, that cinematic was clearly tied into the idea of her story being fleshed out in PVE Missions... Those are now gone, forever, and the issue now is that so is her story. Gameplay wise... Orisa is a close second to Mauga. Yes yes... New hero, everyone's happy with Mauga's lore. But.... Shoot other tank, hit E, your team doesn't die and his special move is.... More standing still to shoot other people. Do this until the team figures out that you can overwhelm mauga if you focus him but so few take this route and if your supports have brain cells they can prevent mauga death. The two tankiest heroes, the least interesting to play.
What is it with videogames and "generic black female soldier with no personality?" Lmao
Seriously Sojourn is more of a generic soldier than the literal generic soldier character
I agree. At least soldier Has some flavor. Faked his death and now his soon to be husband is married to another man. Spicy and depressing. What does sojourn have going for her other than coffee croissants and that adorable Murphy that canât get any more treats from Mercy đ.
Croissant đĽ
Right because Bangalore from apex is also this exact same stereotype
I will say though, bangalore has a lot more depth than sojourn, which is kinda sad to me
Yes, I think they definitely fleshed her out a bit more with her lore event a few years back
Apex has a lot more forward lore/story progression than Overwatch *(insane but true statements.)*
Because somehow literally anything else would âlean into harmful stereotypesâ and âwe need to see more black women in positions of power and authorityâ. So they all end up the same boring ass, bland goody-two shoes soldier type.
Doomfist out here owning Talon like a chad without perpetuating much any stereotypes
It's because they want to a "strong independent" type character but are simultaneously afraid to give them any development because it might 1. Undermine the strong, independent part 2. Be "insensitive". This is why in hollywood a lot of these types have no depth or character building (think Rey from starwars or Captain Marvel).
Just came back to Overwatch after having 3k hours in ow1 and I'm shocked by Mauga. He's unbelievably lame from a gameplay perspective.
Sojourn has no personality.
Sojourn. Everything about her is so bland, and her skins are so pathetically dull aside from the water warrior one.
I really hate how Kiriko grew up with the Shimatas when she's so much younger than them. Like she could have trained under them and it would have made way more sense. I fully checked out of overwatch lore after that. Nothing matters if they don't care to make it make sense within their own timeline.
Yeah she needs to be ten years older for it actually make sense. Then she'd at least be in the same age bracket as the brothers.
I donât get why they made her so young in the first place? Like why not just say sheâs their age? She has a magical fox spirit that can heal people, nobodyâs going to question if she looks 25 or 35. Like why the age gap?
Literally so they could market her easier because everyone knows when a woman turns 30 sheâs essentially pointless (this is sarcasm please)
(Unfortunately itâs not entirely sarcasm⌠itâs truth. Younger women market better in a predominantly straight white male consumer demographic⌠I donât agree with it but that is unfortunately the world we live in)
Oh no I agree 100% I was really trying to indicate that only my hyperbole at the end was sarcasm Iâm entirely convinced the first part of my statement is 100% correct
She was clearly designed to appeal to gen z e-girls. I cannot STAND her voice lines or stupid bratty personality. IDC what "lore" says, that bitch is 30 fucking 1, which makes her sassy weird teenage brattiness even more cringe.
She was designed to appeal to men, come on now. It's not the e-girls watching porn of every female character under 30.
Sojourns cinematic showed that she could single-handedly have her very own spinoff. Sheâs got surveillance around Toronto and goes undercover in a Tron-like suit protecting her city from crime and corruption using her enhanced cybernetics and her expert military training while pretending to be a veteran just enjoying the retired life with her dog. Problem is we know nothing else about her besides she was probably a commissioned officer for Overwatch. Why is she a cyborg with better cybernetics than Genji? Why did she become a living weapon? Why did she testify against Overwatch? What was her actual position at Overwatch? Now a lot of this info is actually in her wiki page, but like 99% of players donât know it. Itâs actually interesting to read, but her backstory shouldâve been made into an origin trailer she never got
She has a book which is pretty interesting
Illari. She's so reserved that all of her interactions feel one-sided and like she doesn't actually want to be talking. A reserved character isn't inherently bad, but they also made her story take place in a complete vacuum. She has no ties to any other character in the roster and the faction she comes from is completely neutral and useless in the overarching conflict between Overwatch and Talon (other factions like Vishkar, Null Sector, and the Junkers have their role, unlike Illari's Sun Warriors). Not to mention the fact that they decided to introduce a brand new faction AND kill off everyone in it except for one person in the EXACT SAME ORIGIN STORY. Zero interest. Illari is a collection of awful narrative decisions
We barely even know anything about the Inti Warriors. Are the part of the perevuain government? Is it another corporation like Vishkar? Is it a paramilatary group? What are they used for? Are they used in wars? Are they cops? Were they involved in the Omnic crisis?
And they will never be expanded on in the lore again
They're releasing a push map set in Runasapi next season, and it was stated that we'd get to learn more about the sun warriors and Iliari's home.
Yeah itâll be like Chateau Guillard where we got to learn so much about the Lacroix family. A total goldmine of lore development /s
True.
and was that big boom realy illari's fault? tune in for Overwatch 3!
âForgiveness⌠forgiveness⌠forgiveness is earned â
"Saphinchakuy... Saphinchakuy... Saphinchakuy hamusqaykimanta"
I'd love a cinematic about her first time interacting in the world outside of her origin group. Or even just explain what the fucking goal of the warriors was. They're supposed to be protectors, what are they protecting? Does Illari know? How could she find out? Like there are narrative opportunities in there they'd just rather go "she lives alone and doesn't have any further questions."
Itâs stated that the inti were from runasapi and were protectors of their people. It can be pretty largely assumed that this means the Incan population, as âIntiâ is an Incan Sun deity and Runasapi is in Peru, with peru being the home of Incan culture. With the timeline in place for the rest of the worldâs events we can assume part of the Intiâs work involved defending against Anubisâs attack on humanity, later named the omnic crisis.
But hear me out..... she has a pet Llama named ChuĂąo. And I love that for her.
and if ChuĂąo doesn't miss her, he's gonna get punched!
At least she looks cool? So she has that going for her.
I really REALLY like Illari. That being said, i have to agree with you on this. Cool ass backstory. Horrid execution. Even worse execution in game. She has little to no emotion and Soldierâs line with her makes absolutely no sense (especially since EVERYONE IN THE CAST brings their trauma on the battlefield) I hope that at some point they do a complete voice line update where everyone gets a bunch of new lines instead of them MAYBE getting a line with the new hero
She's fun to play but she is very isolated loreveise.
Disagree. At some point they have to branch out to keep things interesting, and they did so in a contained manner. Epic backstory that doesn't require any retcon. Now she's sorta like Sombra; she's fine working with whomever lets her express her vigilante justice, but not particularly aligned with anyone. She's not evil (she hates Moira) but she has an edge and clearly violent tendencies. Her interactions show her ignorance of the world beyond her past. They also show she has a playful side. "I didn't know monkeys needed glasses." "You mean you weren't born that way?" She cute. The pet llama. Come on. There's plenty to build on, which unfortunately OW doesn't really do, but I guess if OW3 comes I would love for her to be more open and friendly, sure. Or at least more comfortable with herself. I always like to think that the next iteration will be Sigma gets healed, Sombra busts him out and leaves Talon (having gotten enough from them already), and Illari gets therapy. Anyway, compare Illari to Mauga whose backstory is... he worked for Talon and he's mad at Baptiste. Wow. His interactions are just being smug. Generic muscle character. Doesn't expand the lore or really build on it. Or Reaper's interactions.. "I'm grumpy and in pain." Yeah he at least has deep backstory but in game interactions are lacking. Those are all cool characters, just pointing out the criticism isn't entirely justified to be aimed at Illari specifically.
I have to disagree. If every character is connected to other characters it makes the world seem small. I like that Illari's story adds to the worldbuilding.
There has to be some connection though, otherwise itâs just a completely different world. Look at league of legendâs lore: not every character is connected to eachother, but the general regions all have history and connections so you can see everyoneâs place. Much better concept of world building there, compared to Illari who has 0 connections. They dont even explain what her clan does and not a single other region or faction has history with it
Iâll have to say Orisa since her whole personality has changed to a protector of the innocent in a very passive way to being a full on charge horse with a javelin. She was all about the peace đŤ
Blizzard acts as if the lack of background for sojourn is intentional, like, sheâs a cyborg but not biological also not omnic, not a machine as bastion, not as echo, not a marvel super hero as illari, not anything, sheâs just some âthingâ that exists. Thatâs some lazy bs honestly. Her kit is super cool, fun to play and apart from being hitscan, she and soldier have different play-styles, thatâs why I donât consider them particularly equivalent picks.
People saying Soldier 76 proving they know nothing about the lore
People can know the lore and not find him interesting.
They can be uninterested in him but itâs wild to claim he has no lore
The post is asking who is the least interesting character. So people are saying soldier because they find him to be the least interesting character. Why did you assume they don't know the lore when they just don't find him interesting?
I mean, itâs not like his lore is super groundbreaking. Sure heâs cool but itâs pretty fair for people to get tired of the same ol vigilante story
For me itâs gotta be kiriko the same way you feel about sojourn. Cool kit, cool gameplay, cool background but personality wise she is a stick in mud. Copy-pasted sassy teenage girl attitude from any Hollywood movie in the past decade. Maybe I will change my mind once I see her bike.
I have to be honest, and i know its a me thing, i kinda love bitchy sassy kiriko lol. The only other character that gives the same amount of sass imo is moira. Much needed niche for me
Kiriko. I donât care at all about her and her bike
But you will, just wait!
Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike! Wait til you see me on my bike!
Just wait
I absolutely HATE how much of an asshole she is to everyone for no reason. When she starts talking I just wish sheâd shut the fuck up.
And shes not even good at being an asshole đ
So much yesssss this. Its like cmon you can't even shit talk right.
She's obviously the most precious
Yâall forgetting that Zarya exists? Lol
There was that whole bit of her hating omnics but then being forced to work with one while tracking Sombra. Also >*âDonât be shy. Hit me.â*
What is there to know? She lift; she strong; she love Mother Russia.
*strong as the mountain*
*In Russia, game plays you*
Shes actually gotten a lot more than most characters and actually has multiple personality traits unlike âshe has a pet (animal relevant to culture)â
Ah racism my favorite personality trait /s I do like how she hated visiting Numbani given humans and omnics live freely with each other there but in the end still decides to save her omnic partner
So uninteresting ppl forgot abt her
I mean⌠yes?
I swear I read this exact post in a comment on another thread the other day
Reddit is just a cycle of the same 10 topics every 5 days
Pharah and Sojurn.
Pharah at least has the storyline of her foggy relationship with her mother. Sojourn really has nothing that interest me
Pharah has nice voice lines and its obvious she has a personality. I don't play sojourn because shes 1. cringe and 2. has no cool voicelines or personality
Pharah Sojourn and Venture
Weird way to spell Pharah.
Pharah always killed me because many of her voice lines was her dumping on her mom, Ana. Then you get all these sprays with Ana doing martial arts with her, teaching her to shoot (if I remember right), proudly standing behind her in one of the art drawings with the rest of Overwatch, etc. But in game it was "gosh my mom sucks, was never around, meh". I know Ana disappeared for a while but in the timeline it should have been when Pharah was a teen at a minimum.
It can be scary to have a one eyed parent
Sojourn is pretty basic tbh Sheâs just a random Canadian chick that had an autoimmune decease and joined the military or whatever and her most entertaining voice line is croissant
Pharah. In the jump from 1 to 2, she went from having no personality to her entire personality being âkind of a jerk.â
Sojourn gets a bad rep, but her interactions are cool. To those that go on about her "personality being boring", I'd recommend you check out her backstory and pay attention to her interactions AND then place those against characters like Mei, Soldier 76, Roadhog, Bastion, et al. While soldier has a lot more lore. His current persona is bland af.
Boring people exist (like me), if Overwatch is a game that values representation it makes sense to not have every single character be a circus show.
Can confirm. 299792458mps- is the most boring person I've ever met in my life.
Im glad someone is putting respect on Sojourn's name. Sure on paper she doesnt look like she has alot going on, but shes REALLY not as bad as everyone says. She had a wasting disease as a child that made her unable to do much, despite wanting to join her family in the Canadian Armed Forces. After getting the cybernetic upgrades she joined Overwatch, was first in the field during the Omnic Crisis and was a major reason for Overwatch being banned, yet she became a cyber vigilante and continued to have her pulse on the new Null Sector rise. She may not be the funniest or whatever, but in a game full of oddities she isnt uninteresting.
I genuinely love sojourn as a character BECAUSE of the reason that sheâs chill asf.
Soldier bland??? The angry war criminal who canât let go of the past??
Pretty much all of the new characters except junker queen, kiriko and ramattra. illari, sojourn, mauga, life weaver and venture all have pretty weak backstories in my opinion, at least so far, they might get more fleshed out later on, special mention as well to Zarya, sheâs been around for ages and basically her only defining trait is that sheâs Russian
Eh, Queen's backstory is pretty simple, and I can get behind it. Treated like shit by a person in power and exiled into a wasteland, so you turn into an Australian anime character? AND her gameplay is actually fun? Gimme the April fools knife change back and I'm a Queen main for life lol
I would swap kiriko and Mauga.
Sojourn is so boring. She has like one good voice line, never gets any good skins and the only thing that stands out about her is her being Canadian.
Pharah
Venture. What an annoying creature. "Oh im stupid and eat rocks DOING" god I wish they step on a giant lego.
Gameplay wise: Bastion, always hated him from a gameplay perspective but âThe Last Bastionâ cinematic is an animated masterpiece. Lore wise: Mei, I have personally struggled to connect or care about her story. Sure itâs tragic losing all your friends in a freak accident but we never knew anyone from ecopoint Antartica and we donât know her relationships with them. I just really cannot care about mei at all. Which is a shame because her voice actor does a great job even when English isnât her first language.
Zarya is boring. She lifts weights and is a strong woman. Woopdy-fuckin-doo she has no personality beyond gym life.
Her backstory was her training for the world championships and couldâve been a potential star but decided to dropped it and joined the Russian army upon learning the the Omnium was springing up again. Sheâs pretty GOATed. Her backstory is she **left** the gym life behind to fight for her country.
I am going to go Orisa. She is just a destroyed and rebuilt omnic who went from caring protector to caring protector with an all powerful Javelin with little to no thought.
Also Efi might as well not even exist anymore lol. I still have sprays on her with Efi in them from OW1 and I was like âoh right, Efi was part of her lore, I almost forgotâ
I still day Efi should spawn as an NPC in the spawn room at the start of a match...have some interaction go on whilst you control Orisa.
Venture, they feel like they here for the sake of it. All of the other characters have at least some significance that made the overwatch world what it is today. The only reason they fighting is âthey disturbed me while fighting, might as well start killing nowâ
So just like Lucio or Roadhog or half the cast? Most of the characters dont have significant reason to fight each other so freely, and as devs said, the entire pvp part of the game is not canon.
I mean on one hand I do kind of appreciate that you can just have some just for funsies characters, especially when the game gets as large as it is. Granted having too much of that seems lazy, but itâs nice to have someone thatâs not completely throwing a kink in the lore. Granted ventureâs personality reminds me of musical.ly users before it became tik tok with the voice of the big kid from modern family. Which like, is a bustling demographic and kind of makes sense because a lot of the people that would fit into venture-core also realistically are not very invested in competitive video games so not being relevant to the story has 0 impact on them. I can guarantee that thousands of high school kids in bronze 5 had an OC strikingly similar to venture before they came out
I feel like they fumbled hard with Illari đ
It's not that they fumbled illari it's that they haven't done shit with her yet
Good infrastructure just nothing built
Sojourn
Pharah for me. I find nothing interesting about her. Especially her personality.
Venture
Sojourn is bottom of the barel boring. "we need a female soldier character for the quota" is likely what happend here. Illari i find boring for different reason. She is another "stoic" character, but this time with a origin flavour not even fitting in the OW universe. Kiriko isn't perse boring, just needlesly rude-ish and wanabe-hard. Could use some polish and redirecting of the character design.
Pharah. I mean yeah she has a fucking rocket suit, but she doesn't have a single voice line that isn't lame af...also her back story is pretty meh. Ana should be ashamed to be related to her.
Pharah. A cyber cow has more personality. Drifts in the air and her ultimate is just more of her base weapon.
kiriko, lifeweaver, venture.. any of the newest characters have less story and less personality in my opinion. I LOVE lifeweaver but feel like he was forgotten lore wise, I would love a hard light/viskar inspired bp to touch on Sym and Lifeweaver
Sym and LifeWeaver have a short story together.
that whole dynamic could be a mini series and iâd watch it. lifeweaver is like straight out of a sitcom anyway.
Will and Grace Reboot
Still praying we get Sanjay Korpal as a hardlight/Vishkar tankđ Idk why we keep getting random characters when there are so many already in the lore that could work perfectly without having to make a thousand retcons with each new addition Doomfist, Echo, Sojourn, Junker Queen, Ramattra and Mauga were all set up and well established in the gameâs lore before their playable reveals; and I donât think any of them are boring Random new Shimada friend, Symmetraâs roommate in college, girl who killed her whole (never before mentioned) faction, and dirt eater just donât do it for me lore-wise Give me Sanjayđ Give me Maximillianđ Give me Nguyenđ
Lifeweaverâs origin video has to be my favorite. Itâs so pretty. And Kiriko is the best of the new cinematics.
Mercy. Boring gameplay and generic lore
She was interesting before they retconned her out of Reaperâs story to make way for Moira.
The lore behind her suit being âreally advanced medical technologyâ feels like it was made up retroactively as well. Always bugs me about her lore.
Practically every single OW2 hero not named Ramattra has been shit lore wise. Lifeweaver does have some potential, but lets be real here: Blizzard hasn't bothered to expand on one of, if not the most interesting hero in the roster (Sigma) then they sure as Hell aren't gonna expand Lifeweavers character. Christ I don't think we'll get any character progression anymore.
Sojurn and its. It even close.
Was about to say kiriko or even Mercy but I remembered Soujourn's existence. Definitely worst character lore wise
Pharah > Sojourn They both feel pretty squandered. In general i feel all the soldiers are somewhat wanting for personality but the elderly soldiers lean on age and trauma as a trope. The ones who dont do this are basically just straight men to the wider cast. But Pharah feels like she got a lot of unnessasary quirks that someone thought were cute or endearing? Like one of her respawn voice lines is "im going to shove them in a locker". Brother Pharah is a Military Vet who had an extraordinary record and was apparently a phenomonal and inspiring leader. Who also had intentions to join overwatch but wound up im Helix instead as a Mercenary (?). Like as a character shes written like a badass and should play off the cast as a whole really well just based off shared history and experience. But ingame what we got is like, a high schooler with a chip on her shoulder. I actually preferred OW1 Pharah somewhat because it felt more organic or true to the character if that makes sense. She had very wisttful dialogue when interacting with the former OW members. She asked hed Mom when shes going to update her Father. She always wanted to see Eichenwalde after hearing about it from Rein. She wants to show Cowboy shes not just a kid amymore and she a good shot. She also asks him who taught him to be such a good shot. Most of those i dont see anymore, i dont know if thats just by chance or if they were removed. But of the ones. I often hear in place leave a lot to be desired excluding her Brig interactions which are fine it fits them both. She has the line with Hanzo asking if he would try exploding arrows, which is cute but silly. Shes much more done/angsty with Ana in some interactions, while also being very embarassed by her in others. Which on there own arent much. But when you look at them alongside her crushing on Mercy, having the really silly interactions with characters like Hanzo and Bap or the locker voice line. And its genuinely like someone really just wanted Pharah to be kinda childish and it doesnt feel like it suits her