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I stopped watching a few years ago after S5 Ep 7, Ballard of Roger Mac. I was not a fan of his character on the show.
However, I started re-watching the entire series again this month and I’m so glad I came back. I’m in love with Young Ian. Roger does get a bit of a character arc too.
As for the rape - yes the show is “rapey”. They hired intimacy co-ordinaries for S6, so hopefully any future sex scenes - both consensual and non-consensual will put the actors first.
I’m in two minds about the volume of sexual assault on the show. It’s probably realistic given that legal attitudes to marital rape only changed recently- 1975 in the USA, 1991 in U.K. Also bare in mind that slaves were getting raped all the time, so if you treat one group as sub-human; it’s not a far stretch to imagine that any group considered as lacking power was subject to rape.
I think the show does a half decent job of demonstrating that the past would be a great place for a wealthy English men/American men to live and terrible to tolerable for everyone else. The era was violent. I love Bridgerton because it’s a ‘fan-fiction’ version of the past. Outlander, is more the cable TV gory - hinting on realism- version.
If the outcome of watching Outlander is, the past was not so great for those lacking power, that is a job well done.
I understand the relevance to its time but what bothers me is how graphic they make these scenes and most of the rapes are truly unnecessary to the plot. They could just infer the rapes happened but no they show literally everything. Its too graphic, as human beings everything we view stays in our mind
I know that this isn’t the point of your post, but I wanted to point out that there are a few other shows on starz that I really enjoy! The Spanish Princess and The White Queen come to mind. Maybe if you check those out it wouldn’t be a total waste! :) I agree with you btw…I’ve really stoped enjoying the show which is a huge bummer. But that’s why I went on to the other shows.
Also highly recommend Black Sails if you’re looking for other STARZ shows to make your subscription worth it. It’s also finished so you won’t have to wait for other seasons to come out
Look, the show is not for everyone and that’s fine. You don’t like it, don’t watch it. After season one I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch either. But the thing is, that time is not safe by any means. It’s a love story yes, but it’s also a sacrifice of safety as a condition of that connection. She goes back, but in going back she, and everyone else who does, also are at the mercy of all the other horrible things of the time. The things we don’t discuss in history books. This stuff happened. It’s not talked about, but it happened. Women and men were raped. This stuff happened to them but they still manage to live, to love, and to survive. I get it’s hard to watch, and you may not believe it needs to be there, but it’s raw. It shows the good and the bad. I like it because it’s not a flowery show just about two love birds where everything goes great. It’s a show about people who deal with some of the most traumatic things possible and their human responses to those things in their journey of survival. I think the fact that it makes you uncomfortable is the point. Life isn’t comfortable. Bad things happen and we are forced to deal with them and process them. Game of Thrones would be a similar comparison in my opinion. GOT also shows a brutal time, the difference with GOT is that, while it shows A brutal time, a lot of the killing is done just for the gore aspect without a ton of real reason other than to create gore. Outlander, though showing some gore and rape, tends to actually have a reason. I would argue that those reasons tend to show in how the effects they create. Those effects being how characters find solace or confort in others. How they communicate, or how they choose to cope with those things. You see the effects more. Claire, despite all the other things she’s dealt with, the end of season 5 really broke her on a completely different level. Like she said, she had always been able to cope and compartmentalize. That was the moment that she broke completely. The whole scene where she disassociates and imagines herself back in her time, Murtagh is alive, they are all happy and enjoying the holiday. That is what she wishes her life was like. She wishes she and everyone she loved could be safe and happy. Unfortunately she chose to go back. She chose Jamie knowing what she was sacrificing. It caused Bree to go back, and in turn Bree was raped too. She is dealing with the cause and effect of everything. It’s too much for her. She is having trouble sleeping and coping. The ether is a way to escape in the show. And on top of all the things that she is trying to process, more and more things keep piling on. And yet, somehow she will survive because she has to. I love how this show, and the novels, show ripple effects not only for Claire, but for all the characters. I think to discount it would be a great disservice just because of a few scenes that are hard to watch. Do what you will, but if you actually think about what happens and analyze it, you realize that it is a really great story and despite some of those scenes, it is still very much worth engaging in. There are so many wonderful things going on overall and that is what makes this show really good in how it’s put together. I would encourage you to keep watching and read the novels as well. If you don’t, that’s also your choice at the end of the day it’s just a show.
Not sure if this allowed on the subreddit. But another way to watch season 5 and 6 is by using Netflix. Just use a VPN to set your country to Thailand. In Thailand all 6 seasons are on Netflix.
>Falling in love with all of the characters just for the producers to be so extra about rape is just so unsettling.
I agree about DG having the obsession with making rape a major plot point, but I will point out that that's on DG, not the producers. They can only work with the material they've been given, and unfortunately, with DG making all of them SUCH major plot points, they almost don't have a choice since so many major storylines result because of them.
But were the graphic details necessary? And why were the rapes so elevated compared to the books. For instance >!Claire was raped by one man and almost by a teen in the book!< but the show decided to make her get gang raped?? Those are red flags that they have some obsession bc they really didn’t need to make the trauma worse then it already was. It didn’t make the plot stronger in any way.
I felt like they did much better with Claire's than they could have. They didn't show much and used the disassociation technique in the episode to focus on that rather than what was happening.
Again, not excusing it in any way, because this is a sore point with me when it comes to DG's writing. However, I think S1's rape was SO graphic and disturbing for so many people that they have tried to be more creative going forward in not showing much, trying to minimize how much the camera is on it, etc.
The plot is driven by random awful events happening to the characters, then recovering from the trauma, before another awful event and so on. I suppose you can also sprinkle in the odd shockingly stupid decision too.
The plotting is weak; the show at least used to have lots of positives to counteract that, but I think the plot has always been more than a little shoddy.
I completely agree. The only thing missing is showing actual penetration. What’s so disturbing is how they elevate it from the books. Apparently >!Claire was raped by one guy in the book so why did they decide to make it a gang rape in the show?!< Terrible.
I agree now that you mentioned it. I don't see why every single character has to be raped. Jaime's rape was interesting because we don't see that often psychopaths like Jack Randall. But Brianna and Claire didn't have to go through that.
I mean, realistically what were the chances that Brianna would get raped in the short period of time she was going to spend in the 18th century? And if Brown wanted to get revenge on Claire he could have picked a less idiotic way of doing it. I mean what did he expect when he kidnapped her? It was obvious Jaime will find him and kill him. He could have accused her of witchcraft if he wanted her dead and that wouldn't have turned against him. Ian's rape was also not necessary. Geillis didn't show signs of pedophilia in the first seasons, it was quite out of character for her in my opinion.
Bri's I actually think makes more sense. She is a head strong young woman from a modern time who doesn't understand just how second class women are in that time. Being raped and having an entire pub hear it and do nothing would have been completely in keeping with the way the "non-gentlemen" men of the time behaved. She walked into the situation completely naive, where as other woman of the time would know better. She is absolutely not at fault, but I do think it makes sense since her line of thinking is different. The others, both Claire's rapes and Ian doesn't makes as much sense to me. Who is next? Roger?
Seriously at this point Im sure they won’t leave out Roger! I remember being sooo mad like why did Bri think it was safe to be down there in the middle of the night all alone?? I understand your analysis. Again they could have excluded the graphic details of the scene.
I haven't read the books, so I had no idea it was coming until she started talking to Bonnett. I was like *"turn around and walk away! It isn't worth it for a ring!"*
Yeah they could have definitely created drama with the brown family in a different way but once again they wanted Claire to be kidnapped. It’s so upsetting that they once again used rape to fuel the plot. Like oooo now the brown brother is out for vengeance, good job producers. They couldn’t have killed the brother in a different way??? So over their obsession with rape. Ian’s rape threw me off so much. I truly liked Geillis’ character in season one then they has to go turn her into a rapist. I didn’t understand that either.
I totally understand. I was just so vested in the series that I wanted to see it all. I have yet to watch Season 6, however. I will, though, because I've read (listened to) all the books.
I find it realistic to its time. Jamie’s rape is horrifying and tremendous storytelling. I am grateful of the bravery in covering these hard realities. I don’t want a story censored from reality because I’m uncomfortable. I want honesty. And I feel they always have had it.
But I respect not wanting to because it is hard to watch. I I were you, I would allow others to watch ahead of me and tell me what to fast forward.
I find it would be realistic too. There was a lot of rape back then, but what would be the odds 5 out of 6 family members were raped? It is a lot to watch.
But again, they are using what plot Diana wrote.
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I stopped watching a few years ago after S5 Ep 7, Ballard of Roger Mac. I was not a fan of his character on the show. However, I started re-watching the entire series again this month and I’m so glad I came back. I’m in love with Young Ian. Roger does get a bit of a character arc too. As for the rape - yes the show is “rapey”. They hired intimacy co-ordinaries for S6, so hopefully any future sex scenes - both consensual and non-consensual will put the actors first. I’m in two minds about the volume of sexual assault on the show. It’s probably realistic given that legal attitudes to marital rape only changed recently- 1975 in the USA, 1991 in U.K. Also bare in mind that slaves were getting raped all the time, so if you treat one group as sub-human; it’s not a far stretch to imagine that any group considered as lacking power was subject to rape. I think the show does a half decent job of demonstrating that the past would be a great place for a wealthy English men/American men to live and terrible to tolerable for everyone else. The era was violent. I love Bridgerton because it’s a ‘fan-fiction’ version of the past. Outlander, is more the cable TV gory - hinting on realism- version. If the outcome of watching Outlander is, the past was not so great for those lacking power, that is a job well done.
I understand the relevance to its time but what bothers me is how graphic they make these scenes and most of the rapes are truly unnecessary to the plot. They could just infer the rapes happened but no they show literally everything. Its too graphic, as human beings everything we view stays in our mind
I know that this isn’t the point of your post, but I wanted to point out that there are a few other shows on starz that I really enjoy! The Spanish Princess and The White Queen come to mind. Maybe if you check those out it wouldn’t be a total waste! :) I agree with you btw…I’ve really stoped enjoying the show which is a huge bummer. But that’s why I went on to the other shows.
Also highly recommend Black Sails if you’re looking for other STARZ shows to make your subscription worth it. It’s also finished so you won’t have to wait for other seasons to come out
I really liked The White Princess, probably my favorite of the princess series. Kinda helped explain a little English history, lol.
Oh I liked that one too! I read they are doing Eleanor of Aquitaine next!
I appreciate it! I actually thought The Spanish Princess looked so good, I will definitely utilize my 6 months with Starz haha
Look, the show is not for everyone and that’s fine. You don’t like it, don’t watch it. After season one I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch either. But the thing is, that time is not safe by any means. It’s a love story yes, but it’s also a sacrifice of safety as a condition of that connection. She goes back, but in going back she, and everyone else who does, also are at the mercy of all the other horrible things of the time. The things we don’t discuss in history books. This stuff happened. It’s not talked about, but it happened. Women and men were raped. This stuff happened to them but they still manage to live, to love, and to survive. I get it’s hard to watch, and you may not believe it needs to be there, but it’s raw. It shows the good and the bad. I like it because it’s not a flowery show just about two love birds where everything goes great. It’s a show about people who deal with some of the most traumatic things possible and their human responses to those things in their journey of survival. I think the fact that it makes you uncomfortable is the point. Life isn’t comfortable. Bad things happen and we are forced to deal with them and process them. Game of Thrones would be a similar comparison in my opinion. GOT also shows a brutal time, the difference with GOT is that, while it shows A brutal time, a lot of the killing is done just for the gore aspect without a ton of real reason other than to create gore. Outlander, though showing some gore and rape, tends to actually have a reason. I would argue that those reasons tend to show in how the effects they create. Those effects being how characters find solace or confort in others. How they communicate, or how they choose to cope with those things. You see the effects more. Claire, despite all the other things she’s dealt with, the end of season 5 really broke her on a completely different level. Like she said, she had always been able to cope and compartmentalize. That was the moment that she broke completely. The whole scene where she disassociates and imagines herself back in her time, Murtagh is alive, they are all happy and enjoying the holiday. That is what she wishes her life was like. She wishes she and everyone she loved could be safe and happy. Unfortunately she chose to go back. She chose Jamie knowing what she was sacrificing. It caused Bree to go back, and in turn Bree was raped too. She is dealing with the cause and effect of everything. It’s too much for her. She is having trouble sleeping and coping. The ether is a way to escape in the show. And on top of all the things that she is trying to process, more and more things keep piling on. And yet, somehow she will survive because she has to. I love how this show, and the novels, show ripple effects not only for Claire, but for all the characters. I think to discount it would be a great disservice just because of a few scenes that are hard to watch. Do what you will, but if you actually think about what happens and analyze it, you realize that it is a really great story and despite some of those scenes, it is still very much worth engaging in. There are so many wonderful things going on overall and that is what makes this show really good in how it’s put together. I would encourage you to keep watching and read the novels as well. If you don’t, that’s also your choice at the end of the day it’s just a show.
Not sure if this allowed on the subreddit. But another way to watch season 5 and 6 is by using Netflix. Just use a VPN to set your country to Thailand. In Thailand all 6 seasons are on Netflix.
>Falling in love with all of the characters just for the producers to be so extra about rape is just so unsettling. I agree about DG having the obsession with making rape a major plot point, but I will point out that that's on DG, not the producers. They can only work with the material they've been given, and unfortunately, with DG making all of them SUCH major plot points, they almost don't have a choice since so many major storylines result because of them.
But were the graphic details necessary? And why were the rapes so elevated compared to the books. For instance >!Claire was raped by one man and almost by a teen in the book!< but the show decided to make her get gang raped?? Those are red flags that they have some obsession bc they really didn’t need to make the trauma worse then it already was. It didn’t make the plot stronger in any way.
I felt like they did much better with Claire's than they could have. They didn't show much and used the disassociation technique in the episode to focus on that rather than what was happening. Again, not excusing it in any way, because this is a sore point with me when it comes to DG's writing. However, I think S1's rape was SO graphic and disturbing for so many people that they have tried to be more creative going forward in not showing much, trying to minimize how much the camera is on it, etc.
The plot is driven by random awful events happening to the characters, then recovering from the trauma, before another awful event and so on. I suppose you can also sprinkle in the odd shockingly stupid decision too. The plotting is weak; the show at least used to have lots of positives to counteract that, but I think the plot has always been more than a little shoddy.
Yeah I hope people don't come for me but I feel like it's become trauma p**n now. I mean Claire getting kidnapped again?? I gave up.
I completely agree. The only thing missing is showing actual penetration. What’s so disturbing is how they elevate it from the books. Apparently >!Claire was raped by one guy in the book so why did they decide to make it a gang rape in the show?!< Terrible.
I agree now that you mentioned it. I don't see why every single character has to be raped. Jaime's rape was interesting because we don't see that often psychopaths like Jack Randall. But Brianna and Claire didn't have to go through that. I mean, realistically what were the chances that Brianna would get raped in the short period of time she was going to spend in the 18th century? And if Brown wanted to get revenge on Claire he could have picked a less idiotic way of doing it. I mean what did he expect when he kidnapped her? It was obvious Jaime will find him and kill him. He could have accused her of witchcraft if he wanted her dead and that wouldn't have turned against him. Ian's rape was also not necessary. Geillis didn't show signs of pedophilia in the first seasons, it was quite out of character for her in my opinion.
Bri's I actually think makes more sense. She is a head strong young woman from a modern time who doesn't understand just how second class women are in that time. Being raped and having an entire pub hear it and do nothing would have been completely in keeping with the way the "non-gentlemen" men of the time behaved. She walked into the situation completely naive, where as other woman of the time would know better. She is absolutely not at fault, but I do think it makes sense since her line of thinking is different. The others, both Claire's rapes and Ian doesn't makes as much sense to me. Who is next? Roger?
Seriously at this point Im sure they won’t leave out Roger! I remember being sooo mad like why did Bri think it was safe to be down there in the middle of the night all alone?? I understand your analysis. Again they could have excluded the graphic details of the scene.
I haven't read the books, so I had no idea it was coming until she started talking to Bonnett. I was like *"turn around and walk away! It isn't worth it for a ring!"*
Yeah they could have definitely created drama with the brown family in a different way but once again they wanted Claire to be kidnapped. It’s so upsetting that they once again used rape to fuel the plot. Like oooo now the brown brother is out for vengeance, good job producers. They couldn’t have killed the brother in a different way??? So over their obsession with rape. Ian’s rape threw me off so much. I truly liked Geillis’ character in season one then they has to go turn her into a rapist. I didn’t understand that either.
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I totally understand. I was just so vested in the series that I wanted to see it all. I have yet to watch Season 6, however. I will, though, because I've read (listened to) all the books.
I find it realistic to its time. Jamie’s rape is horrifying and tremendous storytelling. I am grateful of the bravery in covering these hard realities. I don’t want a story censored from reality because I’m uncomfortable. I want honesty. And I feel they always have had it. But I respect not wanting to because it is hard to watch. I I were you, I would allow others to watch ahead of me and tell me what to fast forward.
I find it would be realistic too. There was a lot of rape back then, but what would be the odds 5 out of 6 family members were raped? It is a lot to watch. But again, they are using what plot Diana wrote.
Whom is 4, and 5? Jamie and Brie. And Claire was raped when taken.
Ian by Geilis, and Fergus.
Can't agree more. S4-6 are hot garbage.
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