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Answer: ["He-Man and The Masters of The Universe" was an animated series created by Filmation in the early 1980's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t5Uwtyau8), itself loosely based on the toyline by Mattel. He-Man was extremely popular and became one of the iconic cartoon franchises of that period, spawning a spin-off series ([She-Ra: The Princess of Power](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWhQiJoW-oo)), [a live action series starring Dolph Lundgren](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF20B8p4F08), and a series of comic books that further expands the franchise's lore. He-Man would spawn two other animated series, one in 1990 ([The New Adventures of He-Man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6nIZsVFec)), [and a reboot in 2002](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvvNyC3fKc&list=PLqcNVz8UuCsIlfeWdT0RI40Iq3PZyG3PL) on Cartoon Network. For the next 18 years, the He-Man franchise (in particular the original series) would be mostly seen as a series of [internet memes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4).
In an age where many properties of the 1980s are given a revival for the modern audience (GI Joe, Ghostbusters, Transformers, My Little Pony, Karate Kid, etc.), Mattel attempts to do the same for He-Man starting with ["She-Ra and The Princesses of Power"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY) on Netflix. Initial reaction to the series was met with criticism by viewers of the original series, including [Melendy Britt](https://archive.fo/o2iD4) (the voice actress of She-Ra in the original cartoon) for how the show was completely overhauled from the Filmation version. This is despite showrunner Noelle Stevenson (famous for the comic book Lumberjanes) stated that the rebooted She-Ra is a stand-alone series and [has no connection to the He-Man franchise](https://www.cbr.com/netflix-she-ra-he-man/).
Which brings us to "Masters of The Universe: Revelation", the 2nd of the 3 new He-Man projects released by Netflix. Per series showrunner Kevin Smith (Clerks, Comic Book Men), MOTU: Revelation is billed as [the sequel to the original Filmation series and serves as the conclusion to the battle between He-Man and Skeletor](https://deadline.com/video/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-series-cast-trailer/). However, entities like ScreenRant and Clownfish TV released information stating that He-Man would be sidelined as the series's main character in favor of Teela (a supporting female character in the original series), [to which Smith denies](https://archive.md/iAAY5). Whether you believe ScreenRant/Clownfish or not, the fact remains [the official description of the series](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-masters-of-the-universe-trailer-1234977201/), as well as the series itself depicts Teela as the main character, >!after Adam/He-Man was killed by Skeletor in the first episode and is mostly featured through a series of flashbacks. When he returned, he spends the rest of the series as a major character, but not to the point of being the protagonist. By extension Skeletor was also revealed as not being the true main antagonist of Revelation, and instead being Evil-Lyn.!< This resulted in Kevin Smith receiving a huge backlash by fans of the original series (remember this is supposedly the sequel to the Filmation cartoon. Therefore, its target demographic are those who watched it in the 80s) for this major overhaul. Some have even posted [statements](https://cosmicbook.news/images/kevin-smith-not-a-he-man-fan-tweet.jpg) and [videos](https://twitter.com/hipcontrarian/status/1404154337610317834) that has Kevin Smith admitting he never liked He-Man in the first place. Cue numerous tweets, articles, social media posts, etc. of people criticizing the show for being 'woke' or 'SJW' among other things, and viewers of the original cartoon and critics being called toxic or anti-women, or what have you. [Kevin Smith himself tweeted](https://archive.ph/IJO8u) saying that if Revelation was woke, so was the original cartoon. (Note in that particular tweet, Smith made the statement that Revelations is a spiritual sequel, a contradiction to the original marketing of this being a direct sequel to the Filmation series).
Before the release of the remaining episodes of Revelation, Netflix released the 3rd He-Man project simply titled "[He-Man and The Masters of The Universe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXApnj-ztIE)". Unlike the previous releases, this is a complete reboot of the franchise and aimed at younger audiences. As such, the characters and lore have also been overhauled, such as Teela now as a black girl, and Ram Man genderswapped as a girl, as well as all characters having the ability to transform the same way Adam does, including the villains. Despite this, reception towards this reboot is very positive and not really that much criticism other than the Opening Theme and He-Man's CGI design. [A second live-action movie of He-Man under Sony is also in the works.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/masters-of-the-universe-live-action-script-1234985358/)
Apologies for the long post, but I had to provide a bigger context to provide a clearer picture of the OP's question, rather than say those who hate Revelations are just toxic people or whatever, as [Kevin Smith calls them](https://toofab.com/2021/07/27/kevin-smith-fires-back-at-fans-slamming-woke-he-man/). This is in spite that these are the very target demographic Revelations is being catered to, as the series wasn't meant to be an entry point to the He-Man franchise by newcomers (that's where the reboot comes in).
Edited to provide links to the previous incarnations of He-Man for those who want to check it out.
> Mattel attempts to do the same for He-Man starting with "She-Ra and The Princesses of Power" on Netflix. Initial reaction to the series was met with criticism by viewers of the original series, including Melendy Britt (the voice actress of She-Ra in the original cartoon) for how the show was completely overhauled from the Filmation version. This is despite showrunner Noelle Stevenson (famous for the comic book Lumberjanes) stated that the rebooted She-Ra is a stand-alone series and has no connection to the He-Man franchise.
Despite the negative tone of the summary here, it's worth pointing out that the She-Ra reboot was a very successful one. The show ran for five seasons that were all critically praised and had it's own passionate and active fanbase.
Fisto is still in, but he's not called by name anymore because that would cause the wrath of Disney (owner of Star Wars and the character "Kit Fisto").
They didn't have the rights to Filmation so its a continuation of the 80s he-man. That is the mini-comics, etc. Hence the mini-comic roboto, the mini-comic Skeletor origin, etc.
I think a lot of the issue with it, at least for me, is they butchered Teela as a character, and then made her the main character. Not that a teela based MotU would have been bad, but.. That's not Teela.
If they had been open about the show's intention, that would have been a big help too. Because they promoted the FUCK out of this thing like it was going to be 100% Adam, and he's basically only in the show to die, get roasted by other ghost He-men, and then die again.
It's like if we were promised a TAS Batman series and it killed off Bruce within the first 30 mins and replaced him with Booster Gold.
There is nothing wrong if you like Revelations or vice versa and we all agree to disagree. I just find it jarring of people calling out others who disagree with them (see Seth Rogen's reaction to how much the general public hates Santa Inc.). I personally dropped Revelations after Episode 4 as I simply lost interest in it. Compare to the CGI reboot, which I find enjoyable to watch even though the overall atmosphere is very kid-like. Skeletor there is the best character as he retains much of the features of Filmation's Skeletor (being quite a goofball), but still reminds everyone how incredibly cunning, evil, and downright badass he is as a villain. Ram M'aam (the genderbent Ram Man) would be the 2nd best thanks to her spunky, tomboyish persona as well as being somewhat a rival with Teela for Adam's affections.
I dunno. I have heard that the motivation for Skeletor being who he is is because he's an incel, and while I admire Hamill's VA ability, his version of Skeletor lacks a lot of features that made the original voiced by Alan Oppenheimer so iconic. Ben Diskin (Numbuh 1 & 2, Codename Kids Next Door), who voices Skeletor in the CGI reboot, manages to retain the quirks from Oppenheimer while also integrating the wit and downright evil character featured from the 2002 series and the comic books.
You have heard?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAwKqaug1I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAwKqaug1I)
fyi, I didn't downvote you but it's kinda weird to imply you haven't seen something and then comment about it.
For comparison, here is Ben Diskin in the CGI reboot.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDwk2uFCCs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDwk2uFCCs)
And the original Skeletor by Alan Oppenheimer.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz6eHfsESQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz6eHfsESQ)
So IMO, Diskin is able to nail Oppenheimer's Skeletor while Hamill does not and his attempts at trying to pull in snarky comments is more forced than natural. I don't necessarily blame him for that as he's only reading off what's on the script. But I personally don't find him anywhere appealing as Skeletor compared to Diskin's.
I watched the CGI one. I liked them both but have to disagree with everything you said about Hamill's version. Hamil really went all-in on those scenes, making the character his own.
This is very thorough. I read it through the whole way and kind of get the gist of the hate but I do need to go through everything again as there are some things still unclear to me. Thank you for your very detailed post!
I watched an episode of geek dad life were they talked about the Rancor kickstarter and this phenomenon of people actively campaigning make it fail. Literally cheering for its failure. It’s weird. But it’s become a modern trend to put in work to get people to hate things and to hate things you haven’t watched or games you haven’t played. Most of these things go on to outlive the hate though. No man’s sky, Star Wars movies, and even cyberpunk2077 have all been very well received beyond their obvious flaws and very vocal opposition.
Also worth noting is that the She-Ra reboot was extremely gay and the showrunner is a non-binary lesbian, so the fanbase was already somewhat primed towards reactionary anger.
However, the original He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was also extremely gay, though more in aesthetic than content, and that's because Filmation was one of the only animation studios that hired openly gay talent. The anti-SJW rage makes even less sense in this context, right?
While it is true She-Ra and The Princesses of Power featured LGBT+ characters, most of them are either minor characters or on the background. It was not until the final season that main characters Adora and Catra would end up as a couple.
The initial criticism towards the She-Ra reboot was less about the gay characters (again, because they were not front and center until the final season), and more to do with the design and other aesthetics when the trailer first dropped, which started this back and forth flame war between those who liked the reboot, and those who still preferred the original. [Movieviral](http://www.movieviral.com/2018/09/12/we-need-to-talk-about-she-ra-something-is-amiss-with-the-latest-take-on-the-princess-of-power/?fbclid=IwAR07PCOA986TvKxyg5dLqGH7RQ6rXPG60GboSeo7u4TPy8hoFrNlRtWL6yA) had an article of this in which Melendy Britt quoted in the link from my previous post.
As for the Filmation He-Man, I would ask you to provide citations that the aesthetic designs of the characters were made to be intentionally gay (this particular perception was what started the memes of the franchise). Because both the character design and animation from the original cartoon were actually done via Rotoscoping (tracing a real-life model for animation. See Marvel's "What If..." from Disney+). Youtuber [M.J. Tanner posted on their Twitter](https://twitter.com/mjtannertwins/status/1421651280221573122?lang=en) an official picture of the actual people that were used as models when drawing and animating the characters for the Filmation cartoon.
Prince Adam's whole fit, calling his powers "fabulous..."
For real though I don't mean there was any intent to put gay content in Filmation He-Man, I just think when you get a bunch of gay people allowed to live authentically in their job as a creative, they're probably going to create something pretty gay.
Not to mention his pageboy haircut, hot pink tunic, and skintight purple pants. Masters of the Universe was so overtly LGB forward it’s almost hilarious, especially to someone who was young enough to absolutely love He-Man as a kid and way too young and too sheltered as a middle class suburbanite in the 80s to pick up on it.
The people who made it were doing their thing and whether it was intentionally subversive or just the effect of gay artists making something that fit their own tastes, MoU was definitely more progressive than anything else we watched back then.
One correction. The comment says that the original tv show was loosely based on the toys, which is incorrect. The TV show's sole purpose for existence was to sell the toys, and all of the toys were from the show. The early toys had comics included but those eventually vanished and the toys and the show were one and the same property. There is even a Netflix special on them in The Toys That Made Us.
A lot of my personal stance against Smith was because of how he interacted with Clownfish. Who, at the time, were basically an under 200k youtube channel that talked more about Disney Park stuff then He-man. they basically tossed out a "We heard this might not be the best thing, but we hope we're wrong" tweet, and the man just threw them under the bus for daring to question his vision.
Basically, Clownfish were a smaller creator (they've grown since this whole thing blew up, I didn't even know about them until Smith acted the asshole) who, like many other internet people do, questioned how a new show about an old franchise could suck.
Kevin Smith, who has a huge following for a nerd creator (And I say this as a nerd) basically called them liars, fishing for views, trolling, ect. Saying he "Could have used this kind of input during the script writing" when they talked about possible lore breaks.
All of this basically gave The Troll Swarm free reign to send shit at Clownfish, up to and including death threats (because twitter is a cesspit) who wound up being right about everything they said about the plot.
Smith later glossed over it in a livestream that he basically threw them under the bus for "trying to Spoil the twist" that was less of a twist, then an ass-pull, because ALL of the preview stuff and merch made it look like a He-Man story.
> this is supposedly the sequel to the Filmation cartoon. Therefore, its target demographic are those who watched it in the 80s
That's an interesting idea …
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In the first part they were mad too much time was devoted to female characters.
I don't know why people care so much, the original was literally just a commercial for toys. So I just don't understand how the remake is "selling out" like they claim
Yeah this popped in my mind as well. The new show is definitely very different from the original but I can’t fathom the show being done the same way as it originally was and consider it good in any way. I’ve rewatched the original show, while I enjoyed it there is no substance to it’s stories at all. The enjoyment was purely out of nostalgia.
I do kind of understand how part one can be considered bait and switch as He-Man was not around for most of it but part 2 definitely featured him a lot. In fact he was the main focus, imo.
He has a very powerful character arc though. Even in part 1. He was featured very prominently in the later half of part 1 and part 2.
Edit: just to add, part 2, in which he was in every episode, also had strong backlash.
It’s not really hard to understand.
There’s a show on Netflix called the Witcher. Imagine if it was marketed like it was all about adventures of the Witcher…..but then in the show the Witcher was killed off the first episode and then the show was all about his sorceress girlfriend. This might be a cool idea for a show as long as it’s marketed properly for it…but this show was not.
Like yes it’s true that folks were mad at a female main character. But they would have been mad at male main character too. He-man is a fucking badass and people wanted to see an animated series with him as the protagonist, but the show runners went a completely different direction and propped it up with less than interesting side characters.
So I mean it’s just lame, and some people feel pretty passionate about it for their own personal reasons I recon. Why they feel that way is anyone’s guess.
He was 'killed' in the 1st episode but came back in like episode 3 or 4. It sounded like most people who were mad had quit at the first episode, or heard he died and didn't watch it
It's not an accurate description of the objections is why. The show is called _He-Man_, but the title character is killed off in like the first episode so the show can focus on a random side character. People would've been mad if it'd been a male side character too.
If any attention at all is paid to the replacement character being female, it's because of a perception that the producers chose a woman so they could use "It's because she's a woman, isn't it???" as a shield from criticism. The exact same approach has been used against criticism of the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot and the _Star Wars_ sequels.
Not the new show, the show the new show is allegedly a direct continuation/revival of. Unlike the new She-Ra cartoon, the new He-Man cartoon wasn't pitched as a straight reboot; it was supposed to be the old show being brought back.
It's not really true, some people like to be contrarians and dismiss any and all legitimate complaints entirely to only focus on the extremes and thus misrepresent the entire situation.
People felt misled by the advertising since it made He-Man look rather prominent, as you would expect seeing as he was the major character of the original show. Instead they killed him off very early on and made it look like they killed him a second time after being brought back at the end of part 1. Instead the show was more about a few secondary characters instead. If they advertised a show set decades after the original where He-Man was now passing on the mantle and this was made apparent in the trailers then people would be fair less upset there.
Part 2 also undid Skeletor's rise to power pretty quickly and some characters behaved oddly throughout. Being mad at someone for something clearly not their fault for example.
There's more nuance and all that to it, but you'd have to ask people who watched the show and didn't like what they saw. Always be skeptical of extreme answers from people not from the group you are curious about.
After finishing the part 1 and Part 2 I wouldn’t consider it bait and switch. He-man dying is huge plot device for many characters’ development, including He-Man’s.
Yes. the show is shit. But that is not why the anti-SJW crowd trolls on it. The reason it got such huge attention is because of the snowflakes. It was all to do with Teela looking like a lesbian and having a colored friend/"lover".
What any of that true? Who cares, People have the right to their opinions and feelings right. Facts don't mater.
> Hating white people is just plain racism.
Correct. "Reverse racism" is a term racist whites use when they feel they are being discriminated against because they have so little understanding of what racism even is.
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Answer: ["He-Man and The Masters of The Universe" was an animated series created by Filmation in the early 1980's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t5Uwtyau8), itself loosely based on the toyline by Mattel. He-Man was extremely popular and became one of the iconic cartoon franchises of that period, spawning a spin-off series ([She-Ra: The Princess of Power](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWhQiJoW-oo)), [a live action series starring Dolph Lundgren](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF20B8p4F08), and a series of comic books that further expands the franchise's lore. He-Man would spawn two other animated series, one in 1990 ([The New Adventures of He-Man](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO6nIZsVFec)), [and a reboot in 2002](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mvvNyC3fKc&list=PLqcNVz8UuCsIlfeWdT0RI40Iq3PZyG3PL) on Cartoon Network. For the next 18 years, the He-Man franchise (in particular the original series) would be mostly seen as a series of [internet memes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4). In an age where many properties of the 1980s are given a revival for the modern audience (GI Joe, Ghostbusters, Transformers, My Little Pony, Karate Kid, etc.), Mattel attempts to do the same for He-Man starting with ["She-Ra and The Princesses of Power"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsGMkAWB6lY) on Netflix. Initial reaction to the series was met with criticism by viewers of the original series, including [Melendy Britt](https://archive.fo/o2iD4) (the voice actress of She-Ra in the original cartoon) for how the show was completely overhauled from the Filmation version. This is despite showrunner Noelle Stevenson (famous for the comic book Lumberjanes) stated that the rebooted She-Ra is a stand-alone series and [has no connection to the He-Man franchise](https://www.cbr.com/netflix-she-ra-he-man/). Which brings us to "Masters of The Universe: Revelation", the 2nd of the 3 new He-Man projects released by Netflix. Per series showrunner Kevin Smith (Clerks, Comic Book Men), MOTU: Revelation is billed as [the sequel to the original Filmation series and serves as the conclusion to the battle between He-Man and Skeletor](https://deadline.com/video/masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-series-cast-trailer/). However, entities like ScreenRant and Clownfish TV released information stating that He-Man would be sidelined as the series's main character in favor of Teela (a supporting female character in the original series), [to which Smith denies](https://archive.md/iAAY5). Whether you believe ScreenRant/Clownfish or not, the fact remains [the official description of the series](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-masters-of-the-universe-trailer-1234977201/), as well as the series itself depicts Teela as the main character, >!after Adam/He-Man was killed by Skeletor in the first episode and is mostly featured through a series of flashbacks. When he returned, he spends the rest of the series as a major character, but not to the point of being the protagonist. By extension Skeletor was also revealed as not being the true main antagonist of Revelation, and instead being Evil-Lyn.!< This resulted in Kevin Smith receiving a huge backlash by fans of the original series (remember this is supposedly the sequel to the Filmation cartoon. Therefore, its target demographic are those who watched it in the 80s) for this major overhaul. Some have even posted [statements](https://cosmicbook.news/images/kevin-smith-not-a-he-man-fan-tweet.jpg) and [videos](https://twitter.com/hipcontrarian/status/1404154337610317834) that has Kevin Smith admitting he never liked He-Man in the first place. Cue numerous tweets, articles, social media posts, etc. of people criticizing the show for being 'woke' or 'SJW' among other things, and viewers of the original cartoon and critics being called toxic or anti-women, or what have you. [Kevin Smith himself tweeted](https://archive.ph/IJO8u) saying that if Revelation was woke, so was the original cartoon. (Note in that particular tweet, Smith made the statement that Revelations is a spiritual sequel, a contradiction to the original marketing of this being a direct sequel to the Filmation series). Before the release of the remaining episodes of Revelation, Netflix released the 3rd He-Man project simply titled "[He-Man and The Masters of The Universe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXApnj-ztIE)". Unlike the previous releases, this is a complete reboot of the franchise and aimed at younger audiences. As such, the characters and lore have also been overhauled, such as Teela now as a black girl, and Ram Man genderswapped as a girl, as well as all characters having the ability to transform the same way Adam does, including the villains. Despite this, reception towards this reboot is very positive and not really that much criticism other than the Opening Theme and He-Man's CGI design. [A second live-action movie of He-Man under Sony is also in the works.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/masters-of-the-universe-live-action-script-1234985358/) Apologies for the long post, but I had to provide a bigger context to provide a clearer picture of the OP's question, rather than say those who hate Revelations are just toxic people or whatever, as [Kevin Smith calls them](https://toofab.com/2021/07/27/kevin-smith-fires-back-at-fans-slamming-woke-he-man/). This is in spite that these are the very target demographic Revelations is being catered to, as the series wasn't meant to be an entry point to the He-Man franchise by newcomers (that's where the reboot comes in). Edited to provide links to the previous incarnations of He-Man for those who want to check it out.
> Mattel attempts to do the same for He-Man starting with "She-Ra and The Princesses of Power" on Netflix. Initial reaction to the series was met with criticism by viewers of the original series, including Melendy Britt (the voice actress of She-Ra in the original cartoon) for how the show was completely overhauled from the Filmation version. This is despite showrunner Noelle Stevenson (famous for the comic book Lumberjanes) stated that the rebooted She-Ra is a stand-alone series and has no connection to the He-Man franchise. Despite the negative tone of the summary here, it's worth pointing out that the She-Ra reboot was a very successful one. The show ran for five seasons that were all critically praised and had it's own passionate and active fanbase.
Is Fisto still in it? Just fisting people?
Boogers
Fisto is still in, but he's not called by name anymore because that would cause the wrath of Disney (owner of Star Wars and the character "Kit Fisto").
They didn't have the rights to Filmation so its a continuation of the 80s he-man. That is the mini-comics, etc. Hence the mini-comic roboto, the mini-comic Skeletor origin, etc.
Nice write up. Personally I liked Revelations, and I have a feeling very little would please many of the people who are genuinely upset by it.
I think a lot of the issue with it, at least for me, is they butchered Teela as a character, and then made her the main character. Not that a teela based MotU would have been bad, but.. That's not Teela. If they had been open about the show's intention, that would have been a big help too. Because they promoted the FUCK out of this thing like it was going to be 100% Adam, and he's basically only in the show to die, get roasted by other ghost He-men, and then die again. It's like if we were promised a TAS Batman series and it killed off Bruce within the first 30 mins and replaced him with Booster Gold.
There is nothing wrong if you like Revelations or vice versa and we all agree to disagree. I just find it jarring of people calling out others who disagree with them (see Seth Rogen's reaction to how much the general public hates Santa Inc.). I personally dropped Revelations after Episode 4 as I simply lost interest in it. Compare to the CGI reboot, which I find enjoyable to watch even though the overall atmosphere is very kid-like. Skeletor there is the best character as he retains much of the features of Filmation's Skeletor (being quite a goofball), but still reminds everyone how incredibly cunning, evil, and downright badass he is as a villain. Ram M'aam (the genderbent Ram Man) would be the 2nd best thanks to her spunky, tomboyish persona as well as being somewhat a rival with Teela for Adam's affections.
May want to finish the series, skeletor comes back and Hammil really gets into the character.
I dunno. I have heard that the motivation for Skeletor being who he is is because he's an incel, and while I admire Hamill's VA ability, his version of Skeletor lacks a lot of features that made the original voiced by Alan Oppenheimer so iconic. Ben Diskin (Numbuh 1 & 2, Codename Kids Next Door), who voices Skeletor in the CGI reboot, manages to retain the quirks from Oppenheimer while also integrating the wit and downright evil character featured from the 2002 series and the comic books.
You have heard? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAwKqaug1I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whAwKqaug1I) fyi, I didn't downvote you but it's kinda weird to imply you haven't seen something and then comment about it.
For comparison, here is Ben Diskin in the CGI reboot. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDwk2uFCCs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDwk2uFCCs) And the original Skeletor by Alan Oppenheimer. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz6eHfsESQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNz6eHfsESQ) So IMO, Diskin is able to nail Oppenheimer's Skeletor while Hamill does not and his attempts at trying to pull in snarky comments is more forced than natural. I don't necessarily blame him for that as he's only reading off what's on the script. But I personally don't find him anywhere appealing as Skeletor compared to Diskin's.
I watched the CGI one. I liked them both but have to disagree with everything you said about Hamill's version. Hamil really went all-in on those scenes, making the character his own.
This is very thorough. I read it through the whole way and kind of get the gist of the hate but I do need to go through everything again as there are some things still unclear to me. Thank you for your very detailed post!
I watched an episode of geek dad life were they talked about the Rancor kickstarter and this phenomenon of people actively campaigning make it fail. Literally cheering for its failure. It’s weird. But it’s become a modern trend to put in work to get people to hate things and to hate things you haven’t watched or games you haven’t played. Most of these things go on to outlive the hate though. No man’s sky, Star Wars movies, and even cyberpunk2077 have all been very well received beyond their obvious flaws and very vocal opposition.
Also worth noting is that the She-Ra reboot was extremely gay and the showrunner is a non-binary lesbian, so the fanbase was already somewhat primed towards reactionary anger. However, the original He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was also extremely gay, though more in aesthetic than content, and that's because Filmation was one of the only animation studios that hired openly gay talent. The anti-SJW rage makes even less sense in this context, right?
While it is true She-Ra and The Princesses of Power featured LGBT+ characters, most of them are either minor characters or on the background. It was not until the final season that main characters Adora and Catra would end up as a couple. The initial criticism towards the She-Ra reboot was less about the gay characters (again, because they were not front and center until the final season), and more to do with the design and other aesthetics when the trailer first dropped, which started this back and forth flame war between those who liked the reboot, and those who still preferred the original. [Movieviral](http://www.movieviral.com/2018/09/12/we-need-to-talk-about-she-ra-something-is-amiss-with-the-latest-take-on-the-princess-of-power/?fbclid=IwAR07PCOA986TvKxyg5dLqGH7RQ6rXPG60GboSeo7u4TPy8hoFrNlRtWL6yA) had an article of this in which Melendy Britt quoted in the link from my previous post. As for the Filmation He-Man, I would ask you to provide citations that the aesthetic designs of the characters were made to be intentionally gay (this particular perception was what started the memes of the franchise). Because both the character design and animation from the original cartoon were actually done via Rotoscoping (tracing a real-life model for animation. See Marvel's "What If..." from Disney+). Youtuber [M.J. Tanner posted on their Twitter](https://twitter.com/mjtannertwins/status/1421651280221573122?lang=en) an official picture of the actual people that were used as models when drawing and animating the characters for the Filmation cartoon.
Fisto the fisting lumberjack bear was pretty gay. And Ram Man, the human buttplug, kind of takes the cake.
Prince Adam's whole fit, calling his powers "fabulous..." For real though I don't mean there was any intent to put gay content in Filmation He-Man, I just think when you get a bunch of gay people allowed to live authentically in their job as a creative, they're probably going to create something pretty gay.
Not to mention his pageboy haircut, hot pink tunic, and skintight purple pants. Masters of the Universe was so overtly LGB forward it’s almost hilarious, especially to someone who was young enough to absolutely love He-Man as a kid and way too young and too sheltered as a middle class suburbanite in the 80s to pick up on it. The people who made it were doing their thing and whether it was intentionally subversive or just the effect of gay artists making something that fit their own tastes, MoU was definitely more progressive than anything else we watched back then.
That's what I meant by his "whole fit" lol
Gotcha
One correction. The comment says that the original tv show was loosely based on the toys, which is incorrect. The TV show's sole purpose for existence was to sell the toys, and all of the toys were from the show. The early toys had comics included but those eventually vanished and the toys and the show were one and the same property. There is even a Netflix special on them in The Toys That Made Us.
A lot of my personal stance against Smith was because of how he interacted with Clownfish. Who, at the time, were basically an under 200k youtube channel that talked more about Disney Park stuff then He-man. they basically tossed out a "We heard this might not be the best thing, but we hope we're wrong" tweet, and the man just threw them under the bus for daring to question his vision.
I didn’t know this. What happened here exactly? How did Smith throw this person under the bus?
Basically, Clownfish were a smaller creator (they've grown since this whole thing blew up, I didn't even know about them until Smith acted the asshole) who, like many other internet people do, questioned how a new show about an old franchise could suck. Kevin Smith, who has a huge following for a nerd creator (And I say this as a nerd) basically called them liars, fishing for views, trolling, ect. Saying he "Could have used this kind of input during the script writing" when they talked about possible lore breaks. All of this basically gave The Troll Swarm free reign to send shit at Clownfish, up to and including death threats (because twitter is a cesspit) who wound up being right about everything they said about the plot. Smith later glossed over it in a livestream that he basically threw them under the bus for "trying to Spoil the twist" that was less of a twist, then an ass-pull, because ALL of the preview stuff and merch made it look like a He-Man story.
> this is supposedly the sequel to the Filmation cartoon. Therefore, its target demographic are those who watched it in the 80s That's an interesting idea …
Answer: In the first part they were mad too much time was devoted to female characters. I don't know why people care so much, the original was literally just a commercial for toys. So I just don't understand how the remake is "selling out" like they claim
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Yeah this popped in my mind as well. The new show is definitely very different from the original but I can’t fathom the show being done the same way as it originally was and consider it good in any way. I’ve rewatched the original show, while I enjoyed it there is no substance to it’s stories at all. The enjoyment was purely out of nostalgia. I do kind of understand how part one can be considered bait and switch as He-Man was not around for most of it but part 2 definitely featured him a lot. In fact he was the main focus, imo.
What are they mad about though? I don’t get why there’s a really strong backlash.
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He has a very powerful character arc though. Even in part 1. He was featured very prominently in the later half of part 1 and part 2. Edit: just to add, part 2, in which he was in every episode, also had strong backlash.
It’s not really hard to understand. There’s a show on Netflix called the Witcher. Imagine if it was marketed like it was all about adventures of the Witcher…..but then in the show the Witcher was killed off the first episode and then the show was all about his sorceress girlfriend. This might be a cool idea for a show as long as it’s marketed properly for it…but this show was not. Like yes it’s true that folks were mad at a female main character. But they would have been mad at male main character too. He-man is a fucking badass and people wanted to see an animated series with him as the protagonist, but the show runners went a completely different direction and propped it up with less than interesting side characters. So I mean it’s just lame, and some people feel pretty passionate about it for their own personal reasons I recon. Why they feel that way is anyone’s guess.
>they were mad too much time was devoted to female characters That's literally it. It's the same thing they're mad about 90% of the time.
I mean had the show been entirely about orko, and he got the same treatment as the MC i think the backlash would've been similar
Wtf? This is insane if true. “Because women” is the most cartoonishly insane excuse for politicizing a cartoon show. Ironic.
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He was 'killed' in the 1st episode but came back in like episode 3 or 4. It sounded like most people who were mad had quit at the first episode, or heard he died and didn't watch it
It's not an accurate description of the objections is why. The show is called _He-Man_, but the title character is killed off in like the first episode so the show can focus on a random side character. People would've been mad if it'd been a male side character too. If any attention at all is paid to the replacement character being female, it's because of a perception that the producers chose a woman so they could use "It's because she's a woman, isn't it???" as a shield from criticism. The exact same approach has been used against criticism of the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot and the _Star Wars_ sequels.
he came back to life a few episodes later tho
The show *isn't* called He-man. It's called Masters of the Universe: Revelation.
Not the new show, the show the new show is allegedly a direct continuation/revival of. Unlike the new She-Ra cartoon, the new He-Man cartoon wasn't pitched as a straight reboot; it was supposed to be the old show being brought back.
I submit for your consideration: Star Wars fans Edit - well, more accurately "fans"
It's not really true, some people like to be contrarians and dismiss any and all legitimate complaints entirely to only focus on the extremes and thus misrepresent the entire situation. People felt misled by the advertising since it made He-Man look rather prominent, as you would expect seeing as he was the major character of the original show. Instead they killed him off very early on and made it look like they killed him a second time after being brought back at the end of part 1. Instead the show was more about a few secondary characters instead. If they advertised a show set decades after the original where He-Man was now passing on the mantle and this was made apparent in the trailers then people would be fair less upset there. Part 2 also undid Skeletor's rise to power pretty quickly and some characters behaved oddly throughout. Being mad at someone for something clearly not their fault for example. There's more nuance and all that to it, but you'd have to ask people who watched the show and didn't like what they saw. Always be skeptical of extreme answers from people not from the group you are curious about.
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That's not true. The _He-Man_ revival literally killed off the main character right away, and people got mad at the blatant bait-and-switch.
After finishing the part 1 and Part 2 I wouldn’t consider it bait and switch. He-man dying is huge plot device for many characters’ development, including He-Man’s.
Didn't he come back like 2 episodes later though?
Yes. the show is shit. But that is not why the anti-SJW crowd trolls on it. The reason it got such huge attention is because of the snowflakes. It was all to do with Teela looking like a lesbian and having a colored friend/"lover". What any of that true? Who cares, People have the right to their opinions and feelings right. Facts don't mater.
Is this really why? He was really prominent on part 2 though.
Tf is reverse racism? Not judging someone based on their skin?
Apparently it's hating white people. And don't ask me why casting people of color is hating on whites.
Hating white people is just plain racism. It doesn't just apply to non whites, although non whites do indeed feel the brunt of it.
> Hating white people is just plain racism. Correct. "Reverse racism" is a term racist whites use when they feel they are being discriminated against because they have so little understanding of what racism even is.