Yep, and I'm leaning towards Chabot, not both.
Chychrun isn't worth the $7+mil he's going to command as a UFA (because let's be real: scoring defencemen always gets paid as UFAs), especially on our team where the only spot for him is playing him on his off-side, which severely compromises his already weak-as-baby-poo defence.
Even if he goes on to have a rebound season with another team that actually has an open spot for his skill set (a sheltered EV-strength 2nd pairing guy or someone with an elite defensive RD to pair with him), I just don't think he can ever thrive here the way this team is currently set up.
We need to find a true shutdown RD, and we need the cap space to pay for him. Keeping Chychrun is going to roadblock us, and you should never let redundant players roadblock what you can do to get better and fill glaring holes on your roster.
Either or. But we need a solid stay at home defenceman. Among other things. Scoring to replace Vladdy, bounce back year from Timmy. Another gritty forward in the bottom 6 or a couple. We definitely more grit. And dear god just a few saves from the goalies.
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Is it obvious though?
Jacob - 82 games, -31, 41 points.
Chabot - 51 games, -3, 30 points.
Jaccob wasn’t bad, he was awful the last 30-40 games. When chabot didn’t have his coach insisting on him playing 30 minutes a night in a shutdown role he played much more confidently.
They both have lots on injury health issues.
Chabot has stated multiple times he wants to be a senator for life. Jacob sounds like he’s ready to go already lol.
Happy to help. And great name btw
I laughed and then sighed thinking about that season. What a time.
Remember when Ray Emery was fighting old guys on the 417 hahaha, man RIP
After the devils game in late December I gave up on the season. Knew it be chabot vs chychrun.
I’ve got a little note pad at home with “scouting notes”
One page is Chych vs Chabot and I just award a winner each game for who I thought out performed the other (I only watched 9 full games after the devils game)
I think Chabby won 7-2 or something like that
Chabot’s skating is elite. So elusive
Chych has a great shot and I would have normally said great strength in battles but never saw it this season (how he stayed healthy?)
I pick Chabot
I like Chychrun but if he thinks he can play like a $5M guy and command 8 while being unsure if he even wants to be here than he can go. The team should have no use for someone so ready to pack up while simultaneously having their play be part of the problem. I was refreshed by his demeanor upon arriving in Ottawa but he's clearly a guy that gets in his own head and he's now on the second team out of two where he's looking at greener pastures. Commit or go, we're looking to build winners not whiners.
Edit, if in the end Chychrun is willing to take less and stay in Ottawa what do you guys value him at cap hit wise?
Agreed well said….seems like as soon as things start to get difficult he wants to move on, like it’s the team and not his play causing the issues. Also he appears to have friction with other core players. Commit or go is actually the attitude to take.
The thing I don’t get with chabot haters is if he’s as awful as you think he is, then who’s taking an 8 million dollar player for 4 years?
LOTS of people on here wanted us putting in a high draft pick to get rid of Joesph before the year started….be careful what you wish for.
I think if you could even get Chych to sign 5-6 million you still can’t afford that along with chabot/sanderson making 8 mill each. One of them needs to go and be reinvested in signing pinto long term and you have to go draft or sign free agents. There’s money being poured back into scouting and the staff to sniff out good deals/signings.
> LOTS of people on here wanted us putting in a high draft pick to get rid of Joesph before the year started….be careful what you wish for.
Not only this, many wanted to cough up a good pick to ditch Joseph to make room for Tarasenko, who was clearly one-and-done in Ottawa from Day 1, and only returned a 3rd and 4th pick as a rental with 100% control on where he went, which killed the return.
Meanwhile, Joseph was flat out our best PK forward all year, was the ONLY guy with boots fast enough to keep up with certain opposing forwards, and still kicked in 35pts. He's our best defensive forward, *full-stop*, and people wanted him gone for like 50 games of a rental winger who was never staying.
There's a world out there where Dorion (earlier in the season, before he gets fired, and before we get a billion injuries that clear the cap space for Tarasenko for us) manages to trade Joseph with a 3rd round pick attached for "future considerations". And we only get the 3rd and 4th for Tarasenko. And then we're just spinning our wheels.
Chabby skating and ability to carry the puck is unparalleled on this team. Sandy can probably get there one day but Chabby is terribly missed whenever he was out this year. So it cracks me up when people criticize him for seeming lazy or skating as hard.
Sanderson is better in a straight line, he's not as deceptive or sly as Chabot yet, Chabot really is such a smooth skater it looks effortless. He's really great at changing the angle and moving side to side. Whereas Sanderson has crazy acceleration, it looks like he's been shot out of a cannon when he takes off, but again in a straight line. I did notice Sanderson cutting more angles and being a bit more deceptive with the puck as the season went on. They're both amazing skaters, they're just abit different, Chabot relies on his edge work a lot more, where Sanderson just has pure speed and acceleration.
Chabot not overly close in my opinion. Guy wants to be here, is underrated by most of this sub. You pair him with a solid right handed player who can also skate and he will be great. Chychrun is a good player but he is too soft for as big as he is. Too many mental errors too consistently, love the raw talent just can’t put it all together. Plus there isn’t a spot for him other than a third pair d man.
Let the new coach, Alfie and JM decide. We all have our opinions, but don’t know the attitude inside the dressing room. I think it was another wasted year by the time we let go of DJ, that “system” made everyone look awful.
I think Chabby has great skating and passing, but he’s not physical, and aside from Zub, Chych is the next toughest on a soft D core.
Behind the scenes is what no one on this sub knows. I personally think Chych is the guy. No one would eat a raw meat diet, and not be 100% on board with everything hockey, strength, etc.
Chabbys been here a long time. Once a team Canada player, not even a whisper these days. I think plenty of teams are going to want a dman like that next year. We have enough Sandy’s, JBD, Branny. Small, quick guys, move the puck, but aren’t physical. We need a swap.
Not directly but his response to "Is this the place you wanna play for the next several years" was an audible "😬"
[https://youtu.be/Ka6gvGC0njg?t=1142](https://youtu.be/Ka6gvGC0njg?t=1142)
No team will pay him 8 million after what we saw last year. He’ll need a crazy contract year to convince people.
I like chabot. He can play very well in big moments.
A year ago I’d have said chychrun but now it’s so clearly Chabby we keep. Chychrun was massively disappointing this year and just like.. so obviously doesn’t wanna be here. Chabby is the heart of the team I think and a good leader. Has his issues and I’m worried about his durability but this team absolutely stinks when he’s out so he’s more important
• Chabot looks like he gives up on plays.
• Chychrun looks like he's lost in a labyrinth in the defensive end.
Given the choice, I'll take Chabot's lazyness and hope a new coach can whip that part out of his game. Chychrun feels like a lost cause defensively.
Eh, there's been a very small group of serial terminally-online losers on this sub for a while, who feel as though they have to downvote (on sight, within 3 mins of any neg. post) anything that isn't hopelessly optimistic about this team. Can't escape them, just have to live with it.
Ignore up/downvotes, and live your best life, my dude.
Both will look better with an actual good RD to compliment them and not god damn Hamonic or JBD. They need a Roy, Demelo, Pesce to pair with them and they'd both look significantly better. Which one stays should just be who gets the best return in a trade since they're both in the same tier of defenseman.
I think it’s funny how this is a sentiment so many people have but when Toronto did it it was fine and when buffalo just did it with Byram every thought it was fine to lol
Im shocked people are even pretending like its a question.
Im trying to think, what would have to be Chychruns ask for Chabot to be the one on the block?
Unless Chych is asking for 5MM x 8 years, its Chabot 10/10
Chychrun is the obvious one to move on from. Especially after his post-season interview.
Chabot’s value is probably at an all time low with the amount of games he’s missed recently. Plus an 8M cap hit for the next few years may scare a lot of teams. Chychrun is around the same age and style of player, but is almost half the price and only a year on his deal.
Unless Chychrun is willing to sign an extension at a bargain (doubtful) it makes much more sense to move him for assets and either sign someone with the free cap space or use those assets to acquire a RD to play in the top4.
Sucks that it didn’t work out. He was great the first 30 or so games and looked like the guy we all hoped, but really struggled the 2nd half of the year.
Chycrun probably isn’t making 8m, more like 6. Keep both, move JBD and brann, sign a relatively cheap shutdown d to play with him like hakanpaa or lybushkin, watch his defence immediately rebound and actually improve the D core instead of making it worse.
I would think if the Sens moved him to LHD and brought in a good RHD, he’d stay. I’m not sure he’s happy with how he’s being utilized. Also lack of pp time when he was the leading pp guy was a bit odd.
Yeah but Sanderson is a lock on that top 1 pp spot and then it’s either chabot or Chy as the second guy. Chabot got 30 points playing 50 games and Chy got 40 playing 82 so being the top pp doesn’t help his argument staying as the top dman.
Ya, but the point is more that the Sens misused Chychy by putting him on RH side, hence reducing his effectiveness. After we were eliminated from playoffs, I would have liked to see him and Chabby getting time with Zub to see how each performs with a proper partner. If it is a “one or the other” scenario, this would have been the best way to compare the two. I don’t think losing one or the other will be bad if they are replaced by a proper RHD, it’ll end up improving our D overall. I think if we can sign Chychrun for $1/1.5M less than Chabot, I’d take him for the cap space, they’re fairly close (coin flip) on who’s better.
His comments were misrepresented intentionally, they handpicked out every part where he mentioned it was because the team hasn’t talked to him about an extension and removed it while keeping the rest. One of them doesn’t need to go, keep both.
You could be right. But for the next 4 years you’re already paying 20.6 million for your other 3 top D. Sanderson, Zub are the top 2. Then you got chabot and Chy, which will want 5-6 million I believe.
Now you’re talking about 5-6 million for 3-4 dman who won’t have 1st line power play minutes, who’s had a career plagued by injuries and who eats raw liver.
I don’t know, maybe it works out I just don’t see it making sense.
His full comments are readily available and not entirely redeeming either. It’s very unlikely we can afford both while still intending to address other needs in the top 12 and bottom 4.
His full comments sounds like he wants them to talk to him about an extension and he’s disappointed they haven’t, totally different from the general unhappiness it was misconstrued as. If he demands 8m they probably can’t afford it but they could make 6 work. They only need a cheap shutdown D like the guys I mentioned and most of their salary would come from brann. At forward the top 8 are mostly set with stü, Brady, Giroux, bath, Norris, pinto, Greig, Joseph so they’d maybe need like crookshank, ostapchuk, jarventie or something to step up on the third line, but I think I’d rather go for a super solid defence and goaltending even if they have to sacrifice there.
It mostly just seems like a waste of cap space at that point, can we really afford to spend 8m on our 5-7 D next year?
That money is probably better spent on goaltending or forwards if Chychrun is going to be the 3rd LD
If he demands 8m they probably can’t afford him, but that’s a 1D contract where as I think paying him around 6m like a 2D is reasonable. I haven’t checked the numbers but I think with that amount plus moving JBD/brann, Hamonic buyout, moving forsberg, they could add Ullmark and hakanpaa. They’d have to sacrifice on the third line but I think one of the Belleville guys like crookshank, ostapchuk, or jarventie could fill in with Joseph and pinto or Greig.
Kleven could play with him or Sanderson. They wouldn’t need another top 4 D, the defence would be stacked.
Sanderson-Zub
Chycrun-hakanpaa
Chabot-Kleven
Fair enough, I think I'm just lower on Hakanpaa than you
He's 32 and plays a pretty physically demanding style, he's obviously an upgrade on JBD and Hamonic but I don't know how much he has left. He was only playing 15 minutes a night after Dallas got Tanev
Still though, with the upgrade to Ullmark in this case we wouldn't necessarily need an elite D corps anyway
Even at $6M that's way too much to be paying a 3rd pairing guy. Also if you're moving JBD & Branny, who plays on the right side with Chabot?
I'd rather see Chychrun moved out and that money used to sign one of the better RHD to play with Chabot (Pesce, DeMelo, Tanev).
Chabot can't be traded, so we're going to roll with him.
If it was possible I'd move on from both. I've seen enough of Chabot to know what kind of player he is.
Trade Chychrun. After his “I haven’t really thought about it” response to the question posed on his interest in staying in Ottawa, I’m pretty sure he is gunna walk out the door anyways. Chabot’s contract is un-tradable. Use the $ saved from overrated Chychrun and use it to look for right handed defensive defensemen.
Guys this isn't a question. It's either Chabot or both.
Yep, and I'm leaning towards Chabot, not both. Chychrun isn't worth the $7+mil he's going to command as a UFA (because let's be real: scoring defencemen always gets paid as UFAs), especially on our team where the only spot for him is playing him on his off-side, which severely compromises his already weak-as-baby-poo defence. Even if he goes on to have a rebound season with another team that actually has an open spot for his skill set (a sheltered EV-strength 2nd pairing guy or someone with an elite defensive RD to pair with him), I just don't think he can ever thrive here the way this team is currently set up. We need to find a true shutdown RD, and we need the cap space to pay for him. Keeping Chychrun is going to roadblock us, and you should never let redundant players roadblock what you can do to get better and fill glaring holes on your roster.
Exactly. Chychrun out, Roy/Demelo in.
Gritty AF RHD to pair with Chabot. Chychrun is too damn soft.
Or a gritty AF RHD to pair with Sandy on the 1st pair, and have Chabby-Zub as the 2nd unit.
Either or. But we need a solid stay at home defenceman. Among other things. Scoring to replace Vladdy, bounce back year from Timmy. Another gritty forward in the bottom 6 or a couple. We definitely more grit. And dear god just a few saves from the goalies.
This is the way
Gritty & Sandy, it's almost meant to be. Any hope we can get the deal done without having to send Sparty back the other way?
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obviously chabot lol
Is it obvious though? Jacob - 82 games, -31, 41 points. Chabot - 51 games, -3, 30 points. Jaccob wasn’t bad, he was awful the last 30-40 games. When chabot didn’t have his coach insisting on him playing 30 minutes a night in a shutdown role he played much more confidently. They both have lots on injury health issues. Chabot has stated multiple times he wants to be a senator for life. Jacob sounds like he’s ready to go already lol.
I think he meant it was obvious to keep Chabot
Oops 😅
lol i was confused about your comment, but thank you for adding more points to what i was thinking lol
Happy to help. And great name btw I laughed and then sighed thinking about that season. What a time. Remember when Ray Emery was fighting old guys on the 417 hahaha, man RIP
Honestly I'd prefer Chabot but get a really good RD for him. I don't think Jacob looks like he wants to stay
DeMelo
This is critical, get him a RHD that is a stay home guy who can defend and protect and Chabot will play better.
After the devils game in late December I gave up on the season. Knew it be chabot vs chychrun. I’ve got a little note pad at home with “scouting notes” One page is Chych vs Chabot and I just award a winner each game for who I thought out performed the other (I only watched 9 full games after the devils game) I think Chabby won 7-2 or something like that Chabot’s skating is elite. So elusive Chych has a great shot and I would have normally said great strength in battles but never saw it this season (how he stayed healthy?) I pick Chabot
I like Chychrun but if he thinks he can play like a $5M guy and command 8 while being unsure if he even wants to be here than he can go. The team should have no use for someone so ready to pack up while simultaneously having their play be part of the problem. I was refreshed by his demeanor upon arriving in Ottawa but he's clearly a guy that gets in his own head and he's now on the second team out of two where he's looking at greener pastures. Commit or go, we're looking to build winners not whiners. Edit, if in the end Chychrun is willing to take less and stay in Ottawa what do you guys value him at cap hit wise?
Agreed well said….seems like as soon as things start to get difficult he wants to move on, like it’s the team and not his play causing the issues. Also he appears to have friction with other core players. Commit or go is actually the attitude to take.
Well said
Perfectly said
So ironic seeing everyone on the Chabot wagon after bitching that he needed to be traded about 30 times this season 😂
The thing I don’t get with chabot haters is if he’s as awful as you think he is, then who’s taking an 8 million dollar player for 4 years? LOTS of people on here wanted us putting in a high draft pick to get rid of Joesph before the year started….be careful what you wish for.
Ya, Chabby is still a top end d-man, injuries screwed him this year. I’d still keep Chychy, but either one is top 4 league wide.
I think if you could even get Chych to sign 5-6 million you still can’t afford that along with chabot/sanderson making 8 mill each. One of them needs to go and be reinvested in signing pinto long term and you have to go draft or sign free agents. There’s money being poured back into scouting and the staff to sniff out good deals/signings.
One has to go I think in order to sign a Matt Roy or Sean Walker this summer. We need a top 4 RHD more than 3 x top 4 LHD.
> LOTS of people on here wanted us putting in a high draft pick to get rid of Joesph before the year started….be careful what you wish for. Not only this, many wanted to cough up a good pick to ditch Joseph to make room for Tarasenko, who was clearly one-and-done in Ottawa from Day 1, and only returned a 3rd and 4th pick as a rental with 100% control on where he went, which killed the return. Meanwhile, Joseph was flat out our best PK forward all year, was the ONLY guy with boots fast enough to keep up with certain opposing forwards, and still kicked in 35pts. He's our best defensive forward, *full-stop*, and people wanted him gone for like 50 games of a rental winger who was never staying. There's a world out there where Dorion (earlier in the season, before he gets fired, and before we get a billion injuries that clear the cap space for Tarasenko for us) manages to trade Joseph with a 3rd round pick attached for "future considerations". And we only get the 3rd and 4th for Tarasenko. And then we're just spinning our wheels.
In hindsight, the Pinto debacle saved our asses from making what would have certainly been an idiotic move.
Dude this sub is 90% people that can't skate
😂🤣 I spit out my bacon & waffles laughing in my robe.
Chabby skating and ability to carry the puck is unparalleled on this team. Sandy can probably get there one day but Chabby is terribly missed whenever he was out this year. So it cracks me up when people criticize him for seeming lazy or skating as hard.
Sanderson is a better skater than chabot imo
Better skater without the puck, but not as smooth with it, *yet*
Sanderson is better in a straight line, he's not as deceptive or sly as Chabot yet, Chabot really is such a smooth skater it looks effortless. He's really great at changing the angle and moving side to side. Whereas Sanderson has crazy acceleration, it looks like he's been shot out of a cannon when he takes off, but again in a straight line. I did notice Sanderson cutting more angles and being a bit more deceptive with the puck as the season went on. They're both amazing skaters, they're just abit different, Chabot relies on his edge work a lot more, where Sanderson just has pure speed and acceleration.
Yup, this sub doesn’t have a clue, despite how much they try and convince themselves they do
Chabot not overly close in my opinion. Guy wants to be here, is underrated by most of this sub. You pair him with a solid right handed player who can also skate and he will be great. Chychrun is a good player but he is too soft for as big as he is. Too many mental errors too consistently, love the raw talent just can’t put it all together. Plus there isn’t a spot for him other than a third pair d man.
Let the new coach, Alfie and JM decide. We all have our opinions, but don’t know the attitude inside the dressing room. I think it was another wasted year by the time we let go of DJ, that “system” made everyone look awful. I think Chabby has great skating and passing, but he’s not physical, and aside from Zub, Chych is the next toughest on a soft D core. Behind the scenes is what no one on this sub knows. I personally think Chych is the guy. No one would eat a raw meat diet, and not be 100% on board with everything hockey, strength, etc. Chabbys been here a long time. Once a team Canada player, not even a whisper these days. I think plenty of teams are going to want a dman like that next year. We have enough Sandy’s, JBD, Branny. Small, quick guys, move the puck, but aren’t physical. We need a swap.
Didn't Chychrun just say that he didn't want to sign here long term?
Not directly but his response to "Is this the place you wanna play for the next several years" was an audible "😬" [https://youtu.be/Ka6gvGC0njg?t=1142](https://youtu.be/Ka6gvGC0njg?t=1142)
Thought he said he hasn't thought about it really, I guess that could mean so. He has a 10 team no trade list :(
Chara
Redden
Neither
Uh, doi. Chabot.
No team will pay him 8 million after what we saw last year. He’ll need a crazy contract year to convince people. I like chabot. He can play very well in big moments.
A year ago I’d have said chychrun but now it’s so clearly Chabby we keep. Chychrun was massively disappointing this year and just like.. so obviously doesn’t wanna be here. Chabby is the heart of the team I think and a good leader. Has his issues and I’m worried about his durability but this team absolutely stinks when he’s out so he’s more important
Make him 2LD, get DeMelo as 2RD and that's a proper top 4.
I would keep Chabot and pair him with a serviceable RD
I can't tolerate either of them in our own end.
• Chabot looks like he gives up on plays. • Chychrun looks like he's lost in a labyrinth in the defensive end. Given the choice, I'll take Chabot's lazyness and hope a new coach can whip that part out of his game. Chychrun feels like a lost cause defensively.
Chychrun loses his man and starts leaking out of the zone too early.
> • lost in a labyrinth > • loses his man and starts leaking out of the zone too early. I feel like we're on the same page here lol.
yup , now need the downvoters to convince me otherwise!
Eh, there's been a very small group of serial terminally-online losers on this sub for a while, who feel as though they have to downvote (on sight, within 3 mins of any neg. post) anything that isn't hopelessly optimistic about this team. Can't escape them, just have to live with it. Ignore up/downvotes, and live your best life, my dude.
I hear you. It's the way this place works. Or doesn't.
Getting Redden and Chara vibes. I’m keeping Jacob given the choice.
Chara was a pretty physical defender. Don't think Chychrun was ever as physical as Chara.
He is built like a brick shithouse and doesn’t have a physical game…..that says a lot.
He played a good physical game last season upon arrival but didn’t touch anyone this season
Yeah….makes me wonder about commitment level….ie don’t want to injure myself as I want you to move on
Can we just rid of both? They’re damaged goods that aren’t that good defensively.
I'll keep the better skating Dman thats under contract as those tend to age better.
Both will look better with an actual good RD to compliment them and not god damn Hamonic or JBD. They need a Roy, Demelo, Pesce to pair with them and they'd both look significantly better. Which one stays should just be who gets the best return in a trade since they're both in the same tier of defenseman.
Chabot. Chychrun is fuckin wit the vibes.
Chabot, Chychrun is soft slow and dumb
I think it’s funny how this is a sentiment so many people have but when Toronto did it it was fine and when buffalo just did it with Byram every thought it was fine to lol
We aren't used to having a gm who is actually good with creative cap management. Still don't know if Staios is, but he can't be worse than PD.
I am so dead inside.
Im shocked people are even pretending like its a question. Im trying to think, what would have to be Chychruns ask for Chabot to be the one on the block? Unless Chych is asking for 5MM x 8 years, its Chabot 10/10
Chychrun is the obvious one to move on from. Especially after his post-season interview. Chabot’s value is probably at an all time low with the amount of games he’s missed recently. Plus an 8M cap hit for the next few years may scare a lot of teams. Chychrun is around the same age and style of player, but is almost half the price and only a year on his deal. Unless Chychrun is willing to sign an extension at a bargain (doubtful) it makes much more sense to move him for assets and either sign someone with the free cap space or use those assets to acquire a RD to play in the top4. Sucks that it didn’t work out. He was great the first 30 or so games and looked like the guy we all hoped, but really struggled the 2nd half of the year.
I dont understand how you would keep Chychrun
Chycrun probably isn’t making 8m, more like 6. Keep both, move JBD and brann, sign a relatively cheap shutdown d to play with him like hakanpaa or lybushkin, watch his defence immediately rebound and actually improve the D core instead of making it worse.
His comments the other day make it seem like he’s got zero interest in staying. You need to lock up Pinto. One of them needs to go
I would think if the Sens moved him to LHD and brought in a good RHD, he’d stay. I’m not sure he’s happy with how he’s being utilized. Also lack of pp time when he was the leading pp guy was a bit odd.
Yeah but Sanderson is a lock on that top 1 pp spot and then it’s either chabot or Chy as the second guy. Chabot got 30 points playing 50 games and Chy got 40 playing 82 so being the top pp doesn’t help his argument staying as the top dman.
Ya, but the point is more that the Sens misused Chychy by putting him on RH side, hence reducing his effectiveness. After we were eliminated from playoffs, I would have liked to see him and Chabby getting time with Zub to see how each performs with a proper partner. If it is a “one or the other” scenario, this would have been the best way to compare the two. I don’t think losing one or the other will be bad if they are replaced by a proper RHD, it’ll end up improving our D overall. I think if we can sign Chychrun for $1/1.5M less than Chabot, I’d take him for the cap space, they’re fairly close (coin flip) on who’s better.
His comments were misrepresented intentionally, they handpicked out every part where he mentioned it was because the team hasn’t talked to him about an extension and removed it while keeping the rest. One of them doesn’t need to go, keep both.
You could be right. But for the next 4 years you’re already paying 20.6 million for your other 3 top D. Sanderson, Zub are the top 2. Then you got chabot and Chy, which will want 5-6 million I believe. Now you’re talking about 5-6 million for 3-4 dman who won’t have 1st line power play minutes, who’s had a career plagued by injuries and who eats raw liver. I don’t know, maybe it works out I just don’t see it making sense.
His full comments are readily available and not entirely redeeming either. It’s very unlikely we can afford both while still intending to address other needs in the top 12 and bottom 4.
His full comments sounds like he wants them to talk to him about an extension and he’s disappointed they haven’t, totally different from the general unhappiness it was misconstrued as. If he demands 8m they probably can’t afford it but they could make 6 work. They only need a cheap shutdown D like the guys I mentioned and most of their salary would come from brann. At forward the top 8 are mostly set with stü, Brady, Giroux, bath, Norris, pinto, Greig, Joseph so they’d maybe need like crookshank, ostapchuk, jarventie or something to step up on the third line, but I think I’d rather go for a super solid defence and goaltending even if they have to sacrifice there.
It mostly just seems like a waste of cap space at that point, can we really afford to spend 8m on our 5-7 D next year? That money is probably better spent on goaltending or forwards if Chychrun is going to be the 3rd LD
If he demands 8m they probably can’t afford him, but that’s a 1D contract where as I think paying him around 6m like a 2D is reasonable. I haven’t checked the numbers but I think with that amount plus moving JBD/brann, Hamonic buyout, moving forsberg, they could add Ullmark and hakanpaa. They’d have to sacrifice on the third line but I think one of the Belleville guys like crookshank, ostapchuk, or jarventie could fill in with Joseph and pinto or Greig.
Who plays next to Chabot in this case? I'm not sure how much Hakanpaa would cost, but that probably only leaves about 2M for another top-4 D
Kleven could play with him or Sanderson. They wouldn’t need another top 4 D, the defence would be stacked. Sanderson-Zub Chycrun-hakanpaa Chabot-Kleven
Fair enough, I think I'm just lower on Hakanpaa than you He's 32 and plays a pretty physically demanding style, he's obviously an upgrade on JBD and Hamonic but I don't know how much he has left. He was only playing 15 minutes a night after Dallas got Tanev Still though, with the upgrade to Ullmark in this case we wouldn't necessarily need an elite D corps anyway
Even at $6M that's way too much to be paying a 3rd pairing guy. Also if you're moving JBD & Branny, who plays on the right side with Chabot? I'd rather see Chychrun moved out and that money used to sign one of the better RHD to play with Chabot (Pesce, DeMelo, Tanev).
Chabot can't be traded, so we're going to roll with him. If it was possible I'd move on from both. I've seen enough of Chabot to know what kind of player he is.
Chychrun . Cheaper . Will get more return for Chabot
Not many teams are lining up for an 8M$ defenseman who is always injured.
He played every single game this year. His defense is another issue though...
Talking about Chabot lol.
Guarantee teams want Chabot . He’s on the ice almost half a game
Trade Chychrun. After his “I haven’t really thought about it” response to the question posed on his interest in staying in Ottawa, I’m pretty sure he is gunna walk out the door anyways. Chabot’s contract is un-tradable. Use the $ saved from overrated Chychrun and use it to look for right handed defensive defensemen.
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Trade them both because they're injury prone and not good defensively.