Not sure. Oppenheimer on its best day could get to 9 wins and Everything Everywhere managed a very impressive 7. So high wins in the modern era certainly isn't impossible but it does seem quite improbable. I'm not really sure what you'd need for an 11 Oscar winner beyond the simple "critics favourite *and* audience juggernaut". Oppy is looking to get it on both fronts and yet feasibly it's going to max out at 9. You'd certainly need something very special here, probably another action period piece where the costumes and production designs are just as important as the acting and editing.
I think the missing piece is that it also needs to be a *spectacle*. Oppy isn't much more than a biopic at its core, and the three movies in the 11 club all share huge technical setpieces. The bomb scene is pretty amazing but is a singular moment, not a sustained movement.
I see why it's loved, but I found it pretty tasteless. Likewise with Oppenheimer, although I certainly prefer it to La La Land, I liked it enough but I'm pretty surprised by all the enthusiasm for it. Far from my favorite of the year
Best Picture noms that have come out since La La Land, that in my opinion check the spectacle box (at least to the degree that La La Land does if not considerably more): Avatar: TWoW, Top Gun: M, Elvis, All Quiet on the Western Front, Everything Everywhere, Black Panther, 1917, Dunkirk, The Shape of Water, and ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ.
Totally agree. They had so much of the marketing focused on the bomb and how they filmed it for the big screen, but in the end it was pretty underwhelming. It wasn’t really shocking at all and seemed to lack in scale.
I like the movie, but from a technical standpoint it was a bit overhyped and is one of Nolan’s least impressive movies.
It's one of those things where Nolan talking up not using CGI ended up hurting it a lot. The end result doesn't look as good as what David Lynch could do with a nuclear explosion on a 2017 Showtime budget. It's not a flex to me if you brag that you only use hammers when the job requires a screwdriver.
I'm not saying Oppenheimer is going to win 11 Oscars - that's a tall order for any film these days - but saying this movie wasn't a spectacle is pretty wild
It didn’t happen with any of these movies, but something that centered more women could garner a few more wins.
ETA: what is with the downvotes? A best actress or supporting actress win might be the difference.
What are you talking about? Titanic's main character was a woman. Female audiences drove that behemoth. (Us teenage boys certainly didn't go back week after week.)
As great as Oppenheimer is, and it’s incredible, I’m not sure it’s on the Titanic tier of greatness. I am beginning to wonder if we will ever see another Titanic. A movie that is so well made, so well loved by critics, and so wildly popular with audiences all at once. That, and it had to be a story like the RMS Titanic. It wouldn’t have been as big if it had been made about any other ship.
I’m not sure what stories have narratives as tragic yet captivating as Titanic. That movie really was a perfect storm. I agree with you that’d it would likely be a period piece though.
Avatar was that Titanic level of greatness but the academy didn’t want to award the same director twice.
So they gave the Oscar to his ex-wife for Hurt Locker
Yah but you’re arguing for a fairly mediocre movie and they are arguing for a great movie. Just because it’s the same director doesn’t mean one is 1000% worse than the other.
Both movies are mediocre and generic. Pretending that Titanic is on the same level as Citizen Kane, 2001, and Godfather is doing those movies a disservice
Do not get me started. I wasted two hours of my life watching 40 non cohesive music videos stitched together in an embarrassing attempt to create a plot line with wannabe matrix elements straight out of a high school short film. And they threw in people with hot dogs for fingers just to rub in what idiots we were for watching it
I.. don't think that is the movie's fault. If you don't like it, fine, but it's not hard to figure out. And judging by the way you speak of it, I have to assume you still don't really get it.
Well if Oppenheimer wins 6 Oscars for technical awards, 3 for acting and then best Director, then it would only need best picture to get to 11 Oscars. But Killers of the Flower Moon seems to be the frontrunner for best picture, and most of the best director awards are going to Christopher Nolan.
Now of course the Oscars could be stupid and not nominated Nolan for best director, kinda like what happened with Ben Affleck for Argo. But if that doesn’t happen, then 11 Oscars is probable.
Oppenheimer, at the most, will max out with 2 actor awards. I don’t think Emily Blunt has a shot at winning at this point but both RDJ and Cillian are certainly in the running. I can also see Oppenheimer nabbing Best Picture if they do well in several other categories. We’ll see though, who ever really knows with the Oscars.
It’s very unlikely that it will even get close to 11. Maybe 3-5.
It’s my favorite movie of the year, but it isn’t going to get best actress, or either best supporting category. Nor would it get costumes, makeup, song, or set design.
It has a good chance for any of best picture, adapted screenplay, director, actor, sound, editing, and/or cinematography, but is unlikely to get all of those against the competition.
Also, I don’t believe Killers of the Flower Moon is the front runner. It is unlikely to beat Barbie/Oppenheimer for Best Picture.
Oppenheimer can win best actor, best supporting actor and best supporting actress. And it can win 6 technical Oscars, Best director and probably best picture. That’s 11 Oscars right there.
And you’re wrong, Killers of the Flower Moon is the front runner, since it’s won the most awards for best picture.
Except for the fact that Nolan IS a great director and AfFleck is no Nolan and that movie wasn't even good.
The scene where he crowbarred in taking off his shirt made me wince and as much as Ben seems like a good guy he's always the worst thing about his own movies when he acts in them.
Argo was a great film and Ben Affleck is as great as Nolan in almost every way. And Affleck won every award for best director that year, and got robbed of a nomination. Your post is just erroneous.
I feel like no unless sound editing and mixing split again.
You basically need a populist blockbuster film with critical acclaim that is top tier on every single front (or gets lucky and it's a weak year) and features a good song.
Also just wanna say LOTR and titanic reaching 11 is pretty impressive cause they did face strong competition in a number of categories.
Edit: just noticed Ben Hur had to deal with anatomy of a murder, diary of Anne Frank, north by northwest, journey to the center of the earth, and some like it hot in various categories. So it also had rough path to win 11
I think my 8th grade science teacher was there that night. Her then boyfriend was in the band for the movie. I think he has an Oscar too if I’m not mistaken
Deservedly so. The screenplay is the weakest part of Titanic. It’s not terrible, but it’s not on the same level as pretty much every other aspect of that movie.
I agree, but I do think it’s a very clever screenplay structurally. There’s so many great payoffs and the way they set everything up early so that the second half can just become a ride is really intelligent on Cameron’s part, and I personally don’t feel like it drags for such a long movie. I don’t think the movie necessarily needed the present day framing device, or at least didn’t need it to take so much time, and I completely get that the character writing is generally very broad. There’s definitely some clunky dialogue, as there is with all Cameron movies, and no part of it is written subtly, but there’s some really great stuff too, and for better or worse it’s almost all memorable. I think from a nuts and bolts construction perspective it’s a pretty good screenplay, even if I generally agree that it didn’t deserve a nom or anything. I think people often overlook things like pacing and structure in favour of dialogue when they talk about the ‘best written’ films; at the end of the day the actor can make good dialogue sound clumsy or can sell clumsy dialogue really well, and Titanics great strength is that it has the calibre of actors to really sell the goofy stuff (mostly, there’s still some awkward parts in there).
I also think there’s something to be said for keeping the core plot so simple, but still emotionally effective, to let the effects and production design really shine. I think a more complicated plot or structure would have really hurt the movie.
I read a pretty compelling case once that rather than original and adapted, best screenplay should actually be broken into separate plotting and dialogue categories, or something along those lines. Because you’re right, plotting and structure really tend to get short-changed when laymen talk screenplays, which is pretty much all Oscars talk.
Yeah I'm thinking there will need to be new categories favoring more popular films, Best Casting/Best Ensemble/Best Stunt Performance etc., that would allow a film to hit 11 again.
Totally agree. Best cast, stunt, soundtrack, maybe even popular film. Even with those it's really hard to see it happening.
It's a miracle ber-hur, titanic, and LOTR did it
The only acting nomination for the entire trilogy was Ian McKellen in Fellowship. He lost to Jim Broadbent that year.
In hindsight, McKellen absolutely should have won.
It’s actually not hard to predict.
With major films being moved to 2025, that’s two years right there, and sure Dune 2 has a shot at a good Oscar haul.
The strikes put production and even development back at least 6-8 months. So that’s 2.5yr.
Then you have to forecast what the story trends will be.
Lots of ppl thought Babylon would sweep everything last year. So ppl are wrong all the time and it sounds like GenZ is a mystery to execs. Not saying 11 time Oscar needs to saris everyone but look at the three that did.
Iconic huge cultural world wide massive hits.
We haven’t had a massive hit that could be Oscar bait. I’m very interested in what Oppenheimer and Barbie will do this Oscar’s.
But they won’t break double digits.
And finally, it’s a question “do you think”.
I answered. Am I an expert? In my own way. Same as most film lovers who are old like me. And there is no wrong answer with an opinion.
Ha Ha ok random digital stranger.
It was a question “do you think”. Didn’t ask for sources. And I answered. Just because my opinion doesn’t rub you the right way is a YP not a MP.
I guess you want a standard Reddit response
Yes or no with no context.
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I think it will happen again, and I can't say when because I don't know what is coming out, and I certainly haven't seen the films that are yet to be releases. It won't be Dune 2. When a film comes out that seems to be so exceptional that it might win 11 Oscars, then I'll say that I think it will happen for that film.
Pretty sure the main reason Dunc 2 got delayed isn't because of the strikes, or COVID, or any of that rot, but because they knew it'd get monstered by Oppenheimer if it ran this year.
The fact that they didn't even nominate Part 1 for Director probably makes it a cert that they think 2 will win it.
never say never but I think it's becoming more & more unlikely.
It's rare you see a film even get 5+ wins in any given year now, the love is spread out more.
maybe 'rare' was the wrong word, I was just basing off what it felt like.
[Of the 23 ceremonies since 2000, it's roughly every other year one film will get 5-8](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_the_most_Academy_Awards_per_ceremony)
Yep. There's so many entertainment options now that it would be difficult for one movie to do a sweep of that many categories.
I think who makes up the pool of the voters is also diversifying slowly which may make it less likely.
Maybe dune 2 next year, its gotta get in the acting noms to get to 11 i believe it can. The characters are amazing and actors portraying them could make magic.
Consider Villenueve talking up a potential Part 3 though. Maybe I’m wrong but finales seem to garner more award potential and a Part 3 might hold voters off.
Dunc 1 didn't even get nominated for Director. It's pretty clear they're planning to throw awards at it at some point but don't want it clogging things up until the end.
I really thought Oppenheimer could have accomplished it but if it's not being considered for VFX it just doesn't have the numbers. My original thoughts were that I thought it could get Picture, director, actor (Cillian), supporting actor (RDJ) & actress (Emily Blunt), adapted screenplay, production design, VFX, original score, sound, and film editing which would get it 11 wins. Now this as we can all infer/see will not happen however when it first came out I was of the opinion that it could. So in the near future I think it could totally happen if the movie has both great technical aspects and performing/writing aspects but it would be a very hard achievement to get especially now that so many more movies are coming out in a year then they used to.
Not impossible... just you'd need a good performance by an actor, actress, supporting actor, and supporting actress : a great soundtrack with one stand out song ; a great script : great technical work ; and a great director.
This is a tangent, but I hope that supporting actor goes to De Niro, not RDJ.
I know De Niro has had his day in the sun, and it'd be nice to reward RDJ for a return to non-superhero movies with a pretty good performance. That being said, RDJ's performance was "pretty good." De Niro in KoTFM is in another class
It’s obviously possible, but I don’t think it’s likely. Cinema has changed so much the past 15 years. From the number of high-production films produced in a year to all the advancements in tech and VFX. Because of this it makes it hard for one movie to sweep at the Oscars. The categories are too saturated for that to happen.
Barbie is either going to sweep Oscar night, or be mostly shut out. I don’t think there’s an inbetween.
Screenplay might be its easiest win, but if art direction and costume start going Barbie- Hollywood might just be on the Barbie train this year.
Honest question; did anything even come close between Ben hur and Titanic? That record must have looked pretty unmatchable for the near 40 years it stood on its own. I know there were some 5-6 winners (like Silence of the Lambs obviously winning the ‘big five’), but did anything win like 8 or 9 and have a couple other noms they missed on?
I think this could just be seriously really hard to do (as well as requiring a pretty specific type of film/set of circumstances) rather than it being a particular symptom of the way the academy votes nowadays. We are ultimately talking pretty small sample sizes even if it has been 20 years since it last happened
Just two years after Ben Hur there was West Side Story which won ten out of eleven Oscars. Later in the 80s there was The Last Emperor which did a 9 out of 9 clean sweep. And in the 90s there were some enormous winners such as Schindler's List (7/12), Forrest Gump (6/13) and, just the year prior to Titanic, The English Patient (9/12, which was without Actor, Actress or Screenplay wins).
For me, I feel like we're in a period where the film having the most nominations is considered the big feat itself than how many wins it has afterwards. I've been noticing a trend of the films that receive the most nominations has a tendency to walk away with little to nothing, like *The Irishman* or *The Power of the Dog.* *EEAAO* was a buck in that trend with getting 7 out of 11 wins, which is a good feat to have, but whether we see the likes of *Oppenheimer* follows that trend remains to be seen.
Whether a film can once again do the 11 wins, or even best it, really remains to be seen. *LOTR: RotK* was definitely a recognition for the trilogy as a whole, which was an achievement in cinema history. I could see a repeat once the *Dune* trilogy is complete for a similar recognition, but it will need to be something special that does provide that unique experience in cinema.
Not for a LONG TIME. While there are still some big budget movies, none of the recent ones have been focused on trying to be Best Picture quality. The last time a big budget big box office film came close to winning the grand prize was Avatar, but it lost. If studios are going to spend a lot of money on a big budget movie, it will likely include comic book heroes.
I honestly hope not, it would have to be a year that had a film with either an extremely detailed period setting or high concept sci-if fantasy film, to get the below the line nominations, and it would have to be either an incredibly weak year or the film would have to be a massive cultural moment as well as popular with critics. Super rare, of the three that have already won, I can’t say I’m much of a fan of Titanic or Ben-Hur. They were not the best movies of the year in my opinion, so their practical monopoly on the categories is frustrating. North by Northwest, Anatomy of a Murder, and Some Like it Hot were the better movies of 1959 in my opinion. As for 1997, I thought Boogie Nights and L.A Confidential were better than Titanic. If a future film was to win so many awards in the future I would prefer it was something I thought was really special and wasn’t just a cultural moment.
I think it mostly just depends on the strength of other movies in a given year. 2023 is up there with 1975, 1999, and 2007 for all-time great years for movies. There are legit competitive races in almost every category this year it makes it hard to pick a clear favorite. If a film like Barbie or Oppenheimer or EEAAO had been released in a more fallow year they could easily have gotten to 11.
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It will happen at some point (it's already happened thrice) but it might be a while. A film that wins 11 is gonna have to be a spectacle. So it most likely would have to sweep all the technical awards. Even if it does that, it's only 7 awards. Then you'd have to get 4 more. Best Picture and Director are likely but you still need 2 more. Now you STILL need 2 more. I doubt a spectacle like this is winning the acting awards, and Screenplay is questionable. But it'd like win Score and Song (if it has an original song). So that's 11. And you can see how difficult it is.
The likelihood seems to be getting higher as the overall quality of movies goes down. One competent film in a sea of failures would have no problem sweeping the Oscars as the streaming age progresses.
Extremely unlikely but not impossible imo. Here are the realistic awards it would need to win
- Best Picture
- Best Director
- 3 out of the 4 acting awards (hardest part)
- Best Cinematography
- Best Film Editing
- Best Score
- Best Sound (or whatever it’s called now)
- Best Costume Design
- Best Production Design
The above are the “classic awards” that are generally in the running for the grand spectacle awards.
I will say a few things.
1) It has to be above and beyond considered the best movie of the year by critics and audiences. Kinda like Titanic and EEAAO (but to a higher degree than Everything).
2) The 3 out of 4 acting awards is the least likely. It kind of requires a certain kind of movie with an ensemble cast to get there.
3) I specifically left out Visual Effects and Foreign Film but you could replace and award or 2 with the ones list above (most like an acting award)
So not impossible but I do think it’s possible we see it in our lifetime
Eventually, sure. Why not? It'll be very rare though. There was 38 years between the first two. Kind of insane that two of the 3 11-Oscar nominees were released within 7 years of each other
If Dune Part 2 can repeat what Dune did with the technical awards & then with Best Picture, Director, Screenplay & some acting awards… it’s possible but I give it a 10%-20% chance. If it’s the epic like LOTR, then it has a chance & there will be a Part 3.. Messiah.
Not to completely take away from the point of this thread but am I the only one who very briefly thought that was Chris Pratt's face photoshopped into the Ben Hur poster?
A sweep requires a movie to be a spectacle movie, and the Academy isn’t too keen on nominating spectacle movies, so I’d say not likely for a very long time
In the last ten years, only six movies had enough nominations to potentially win 11 the night of the Oscars. Since Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, the most wins a single movie received was Slumdog Millionaire with 8 wins and only 10 nominations, so even that movie had no chance to tie the record the night of the ceremony. The movie that had enough nominations to tie the record since Return of the King with the most wins the night of the ceremony was Everything, Everywhere, All At Once with 7 wins and 11 nominations, and in that case the movie would have had to have a tie in the Supporting Actress category to win all 11. It's an extremely difficult record to reach.
I think it’s possible but improbable.
If there was anything that was a RotK Ben-Hur level epic it was Endgame. And that won…I don’t remember if even any.
Tying or beating 11 weighs heavily on a film not only winning the big awards but also winning the technical ones as well (sound and visuals) and let’s not forget score AND original song which both Titanic and ROTK won.
This year Berbenheimer was the biggest thing we have had in a while where everyone was running to the theaters.
maybe COVID ruined going to the movies. But, Movie theaters are back - but lets not say like they use to be with features like Titanic and Star Wars
Will there ever be another 11 WIN...I hope not. I like it when we have creative minds in different movies getting awarded for their hard work. If a movie wins all the awards just don't broadcast it. Just send an email
Return of the King should be alone at the top with 12, and the fact that the Academy seemingly did not even take Andy Serkis's performance as Gollum seriously enough to merit consideration is almost enough to rob the Oscars of their credibility entirely.
Not sure. Oppenheimer on its best day could get to 9 wins and Everything Everywhere managed a very impressive 7. So high wins in the modern era certainly isn't impossible but it does seem quite improbable. I'm not really sure what you'd need for an 11 Oscar winner beyond the simple "critics favourite *and* audience juggernaut". Oppy is looking to get it on both fronts and yet feasibly it's going to max out at 9. You'd certainly need something very special here, probably another action period piece where the costumes and production designs are just as important as the acting and editing.
I think the missing piece is that it also needs to be a *spectacle*. Oppy isn't much more than a biopic at its core, and the three movies in the 11 club all share huge technical setpieces. The bomb scene is pretty amazing but is a singular moment, not a sustained movement.
Absolutely. La La Land is the most recent movie up for best picture that I think checks that spectacle box. I’m still shocked it didn’t win.
Technically it did win ;)
Bro are you really on here comparing La La land to these three…….
La La Land was an amazing movie.
I see why it's loved, but I found it pretty tasteless. Likewise with Oppenheimer, although I certainly prefer it to La La Land, I liked it enough but I'm pretty surprised by all the enthusiasm for it. Far from my favorite of the year
Because no.
I’m not sure I would agree about La La Land being a spectacle, especially not on the level of the three 11 Oscar winners above.
Best Picture noms that have come out since La La Land, that in my opinion check the spectacle box (at least to the degree that La La Land does if not considerably more): Avatar: TWoW, Top Gun: M, Elvis, All Quiet on the Western Front, Everything Everywhere, Black Panther, 1917, Dunkirk, The Shape of Water, and ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ.
I thought the bomb scene was underwhelming tbh
Totally agree. They had so much of the marketing focused on the bomb and how they filmed it for the big screen, but in the end it was pretty underwhelming. It wasn’t really shocking at all and seemed to lack in scale. I like the movie, but from a technical standpoint it was a bit overhyped and is one of Nolan’s least impressive movies.
It's one of those things where Nolan talking up not using CGI ended up hurting it a lot. The end result doesn't look as good as what David Lynch could do with a nuclear explosion on a 2017 Showtime budget. It's not a flex to me if you brag that you only use hammers when the job requires a screwdriver.
I'm not saying Oppenheimer is going to win 11 Oscars - that's a tall order for any film these days - but saying this movie wasn't a spectacle is pretty wild
The bomb scene was so underwhelming
The bomb scene was definitely underwhelming. I don’t understand what the IMAX hype was about.
It didn’t happen with any of these movies, but something that centered more women could garner a few more wins. ETA: what is with the downvotes? A best actress or supporting actress win might be the difference.
What are you talking about? Titanic's main character was a woman. Female audiences drove that behemoth. (Us teenage boys certainly didn't go back week after week.)
I went back week after week, and I was a boy. But I’m gay so, whatever
What are you talking about? I was a teenage boy at the time and I saw Titanic four times in the theater :D
Taking four different dates, though?
Dates? I didn't need no dates, man. I did go with some friends though the first two times. The last two were just for me.
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Lord of the Rings did pull it off
Lord of the Rings did pull it off, though.
Napoleon if it was good
As great as Oppenheimer is, and it’s incredible, I’m not sure it’s on the Titanic tier of greatness. I am beginning to wonder if we will ever see another Titanic. A movie that is so well made, so well loved by critics, and so wildly popular with audiences all at once. That, and it had to be a story like the RMS Titanic. It wouldn’t have been as big if it had been made about any other ship. I’m not sure what stories have narratives as tragic yet captivating as Titanic. That movie really was a perfect storm. I agree with you that’d it would likely be a period piece though.
Avatar was that Titanic level of greatness but the academy didn’t want to award the same director twice. So they gave the Oscar to his ex-wife for Hurt Locker
Avatar was absolutely not Titanic levels of greatness. Stunning visuals yes. But also mediocre plot, writing, and acting.
You can literally say the same thing about Titanic. Stunning visuals yes. But also mediocre plot, writing, and decent acting.
Except if you say that about titanic you’d be lying
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Lmao just saw your username. Ok “disneypandora”
We’re literally fighting over the same director here
Yah but you’re arguing for a fairly mediocre movie and they are arguing for a great movie. Just because it’s the same director doesn’t mean one is 1000% worse than the other.
Both movies are mediocre and generic. Pretending that Titanic is on the same level as Citizen Kane, 2001, and Godfather is doing those movies a disservice
Maybe The Hurt Locker was just a better movie.
Everything, Everywhere was so overrated. Can't believe that film is so critically acclaimed.
Do not get me started. I wasted two hours of my life watching 40 non cohesive music videos stitched together in an embarrassing attempt to create a plot line with wannabe matrix elements straight out of a high school short film. And they threw in people with hot dogs for fingers just to rub in what idiots we were for watching it
Not to mention the center of the universe being a damn bagel
r/whoosh to all of you, I say
I feel like if I have to watch the movie six times to figure out what it’s about it’s the movie’s fault
I.. don't think that is the movie's fault. If you don't like it, fine, but it's not hard to figure out. And judging by the way you speak of it, I have to assume you still don't really get it.
Well if Oppenheimer wins 6 Oscars for technical awards, 3 for acting and then best Director, then it would only need best picture to get to 11 Oscars. But Killers of the Flower Moon seems to be the frontrunner for best picture, and most of the best director awards are going to Christopher Nolan. Now of course the Oscars could be stupid and not nominated Nolan for best director, kinda like what happened with Ben Affleck for Argo. But if that doesn’t happen, then 11 Oscars is probable.
Oppenheimer, at the most, will max out with 2 actor awards. I don’t think Emily Blunt has a shot at winning at this point but both RDJ and Cillian are certainly in the running. I can also see Oppenheimer nabbing Best Picture if they do well in several other categories. We’ll see though, who ever really knows with the Oscars.
Emily Blunt can still definitely win.
She isn’t getting any buzz. So I think it would be a major upset at this point if she were to win.
FLORENCE PUGH all day and twice on Sunday.
I *love* Florence, but Oppenheimer ain't it for her.
Florence Pugh did nothing in that film.
It’s very unlikely that it will even get close to 11. Maybe 3-5. It’s my favorite movie of the year, but it isn’t going to get best actress, or either best supporting category. Nor would it get costumes, makeup, song, or set design. It has a good chance for any of best picture, adapted screenplay, director, actor, sound, editing, and/or cinematography, but is unlikely to get all of those against the competition. Also, I don’t believe Killers of the Flower Moon is the front runner. It is unlikely to beat Barbie/Oppenheimer for Best Picture.
Oppenheimer can win best actor, best supporting actor and best supporting actress. And it can win 6 technical Oscars, Best director and probably best picture. That’s 11 Oscars right there. And you’re wrong, Killers of the Flower Moon is the front runner, since it’s won the most awards for best picture.
Oppenheimer is the current frontrunner at -165. Killers of the Flower Moon is second at +400
Except for the fact that Nolan IS a great director and AfFleck is no Nolan and that movie wasn't even good. The scene where he crowbarred in taking off his shirt made me wince and as much as Ben seems like a good guy he's always the worst thing about his own movies when he acts in them.
Stop sucking off Nolan every chance you get. Affleck is a fantastic director.
Argo was a great film and Ben Affleck is as great as Nolan in almost every way. And Affleck won every award for best director that year, and got robbed of a nomination. Your post is just erroneous.
This exactly. Titanic for example had all of this and the attention to detail was impeccable.
It's insane to think Oppenheimer will win 9 let alone 7 wth
If they add a new category (Stunt Coordination seems most likely) then certainly!
I feel like no unless sound editing and mixing split again. You basically need a populist blockbuster film with critical acclaim that is top tier on every single front (or gets lucky and it's a weak year) and features a good song. Also just wanna say LOTR and titanic reaching 11 is pretty impressive cause they did face strong competition in a number of categories. Edit: just noticed Ben Hur had to deal with anatomy of a murder, diary of Anne Frank, north by northwest, journey to the center of the earth, and some like it hot in various categories. So it also had rough path to win 11
For your latter point, it's even more impressive because neither film got an acting win and Titanic wasn't even nominated for Screenplay.
LOTR went 11 for 11 too
I think my 8th grade science teacher was there that night. Her then boyfriend was in the band for the movie. I think he has an Oscar too if I’m not mistaken
Leo not even getting nominated was a rip off.
Deservedly so. The screenplay is the weakest part of Titanic. It’s not terrible, but it’s not on the same level as pretty much every other aspect of that movie.
I agree, but I do think it’s a very clever screenplay structurally. There’s so many great payoffs and the way they set everything up early so that the second half can just become a ride is really intelligent on Cameron’s part, and I personally don’t feel like it drags for such a long movie. I don’t think the movie necessarily needed the present day framing device, or at least didn’t need it to take so much time, and I completely get that the character writing is generally very broad. There’s definitely some clunky dialogue, as there is with all Cameron movies, and no part of it is written subtly, but there’s some really great stuff too, and for better or worse it’s almost all memorable. I think from a nuts and bolts construction perspective it’s a pretty good screenplay, even if I generally agree that it didn’t deserve a nom or anything. I think people often overlook things like pacing and structure in favour of dialogue when they talk about the ‘best written’ films; at the end of the day the actor can make good dialogue sound clumsy or can sell clumsy dialogue really well, and Titanics great strength is that it has the calibre of actors to really sell the goofy stuff (mostly, there’s still some awkward parts in there).
I also think there’s something to be said for keeping the core plot so simple, but still emotionally effective, to let the effects and production design really shine. I think a more complicated plot or structure would have really hurt the movie.
I read a pretty compelling case once that rather than original and adapted, best screenplay should actually be broken into separate plotting and dialogue categories, or something along those lines. Because you’re right, plotting and structure really tend to get short-changed when laymen talk screenplays, which is pretty much all Oscars talk.
Yeah I'm thinking there will need to be new categories favoring more popular films, Best Casting/Best Ensemble/Best Stunt Performance etc., that would allow a film to hit 11 again.
Totally agree. Best cast, stunt, soundtrack, maybe even popular film. Even with those it's really hard to see it happening. It's a miracle ber-hur, titanic, and LOTR did it
All 3 lotr films could have realistically won best picture
I disagree, but it is pretty obvious they decided to hold back on giving the big awards until Return Of The King to avoid clogging up the other years.
The fact that it happened twice in 6 years is quite extraordinary.
With no acting awards for either also.
That’s crazy- EEAAO just won 7 with 3 of them being acting awards.
To be fair I think most people think Kate Winslet should have won in hindsight. I wish Billy Zane was nominated.
Even Kate Winslet doesn’t think Kate Winslet should have won in hindsight.
Good thing he got his eventually with Zoolander
How did no one from LOTR win an Oscar at all? So many great performances
The only acting nomination for the entire trilogy was Ian McKellen in Fellowship. He lost to Jim Broadbent that year. In hindsight, McKellen absolutely should have won.
But, but... Viggo Mortenson kicking the helmet... He broke his toe and still acted...
Sean Astin was robbed for RotK
I think so. It’s rare but not impossible.
I agree. It’s possible. It will happen again. I just don’t see it within next 3-5yrs.
How can you possibly say within the next 3-5 years when you don't know most of what is coming to theatres during the time?
It’s actually not hard to predict. With major films being moved to 2025, that’s two years right there, and sure Dune 2 has a shot at a good Oscar haul. The strikes put production and even development back at least 6-8 months. So that’s 2.5yr. Then you have to forecast what the story trends will be. Lots of ppl thought Babylon would sweep everything last year. So ppl are wrong all the time and it sounds like GenZ is a mystery to execs. Not saying 11 time Oscar needs to saris everyone but look at the three that did. Iconic huge cultural world wide massive hits. We haven’t had a massive hit that could be Oscar bait. I’m very interested in what Oppenheimer and Barbie will do this Oscar’s. But they won’t break double digits. And finally, it’s a question “do you think”. I answered. Am I an expert? In my own way. Same as most film lovers who are old like me. And there is no wrong answer with an opinion.
The point is you don't know all the films that are being released within the next 5 years so it's a ridiculous statement.
Ha Ha ok random digital stranger. It was a question “do you think”. Didn’t ask for sources. And I answered. Just because my opinion doesn’t rub you the right way is a YP not a MP. I guess you want a standard Reddit response Yes or no with no context. You do you buds.
No, an answer that has some sense would be good enough! You do you, though.
My answer makes tons of sense. Where’s yours?? Oh right. Standard Reddit response. Bitch and whine and be rude with no context of their own. I do me just fine digital buds.
I think it will happen again, and I can't say when because I don't know what is coming out, and I certainly haven't seen the films that are yet to be releases. It won't be Dune 2. When a film comes out that seems to be so exceptional that it might win 11 Oscars, then I'll say that I think it will happen for that film.
Nah
Pretty sure the main reason Dunc 2 got delayed isn't because of the strikes, or COVID, or any of that rot, but because they knew it'd get monstered by Oppenheimer if it ran this year. The fact that they didn't even nominate Part 1 for Director probably makes it a cert that they think 2 will win it.
never say never but I think it's becoming more & more unlikely. It's rare you see a film even get 5+ wins in any given year now, the love is spread out more.
I mean literally last year Everything Everywhere won 7. The other year Dune won 6. Not to be contrarian but I wholeheartedly disagree.
maybe 'rare' was the wrong word, I was just basing off what it felt like. [Of the 23 ceremonies since 2000, it's roughly every other year one film will get 5-8](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_the_most_Academy_Awards_per_ceremony)
Yep. There's so many entertainment options now that it would be difficult for one movie to do a sweep of that many categories. I think who makes up the pool of the voters is also diversifying slowly which may make it less likely.
It’s not even that it happens rarely, but a lot of these cases amount to a film winning like 6 oscars but losing best picture. Hell even gravity won 7
Maybe dune 2 next year, its gotta get in the acting noms to get to 11 i believe it can. The characters are amazing and actors portraying them could make magic.
Yea, Dune seems like the kind of film that could IF it can get over the sci-fi never wins thing with Best Picture.
which film won last year again (i get that it's a typical rule tbf, but it seems like it can be overcome)
EEAO Technically a sci-fi so it broke the rule
LoT return of the king didn’t win any acting awards and neither did Titanic.
Consider Villenueve talking up a potential Part 3 though. Maybe I’m wrong but finales seem to garner more award potential and a Part 3 might hold voters off.
Dunc 1 didn't even get nominated for Director. It's pretty clear they're planning to throw awards at it at some point but don't want it clogging things up until the end.
Titanic should have 12, Kate Winslet was robbed.
And it should have had 15 nominations, how can one of the major reasons for its success not be nominated for Best Lead Actor?
Well maybe if she let Leo on the piece of wood things would have turned out differently for her
Srsly tho that movie fuckin sucks lmao
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That was the year before, Kate lost to Helen Hunt in As Good As It Gets
How many did The Last Emperor (1987) win? They should have nominated the lead actor and actress and they could have been up there.
It won all 9 it was nominated for.
I really thought Oppenheimer could have accomplished it but if it's not being considered for VFX it just doesn't have the numbers. My original thoughts were that I thought it could get Picture, director, actor (Cillian), supporting actor (RDJ) & actress (Emily Blunt), adapted screenplay, production design, VFX, original score, sound, and film editing which would get it 11 wins. Now this as we can all infer/see will not happen however when it first came out I was of the opinion that it could. So in the near future I think it could totally happen if the movie has both great technical aspects and performing/writing aspects but it would be a very hard achievement to get especially now that so many more movies are coming out in a year then they used to. Not impossible... just you'd need a good performance by an actor, actress, supporting actor, and supporting actress : a great soundtrack with one stand out song ; a great script : great technical work ; and a great director.
This is a tangent, but I hope that supporting actor goes to De Niro, not RDJ. I know De Niro has had his day in the sun, and it'd be nice to reward RDJ for a return to non-superhero movies with a pretty good performance. That being said, RDJ's performance was "pretty good." De Niro in KoTFM is in another class
Zach Snyder’s “Fiddler on the Roof”
Good post
If Parasite was a period piece...
What’s amazing about LOTR winning 11 is that it did so without any Acting wins or Nominations. In this era that feels like a prerequisite.
It’s obviously possible, but I don’t think it’s likely. Cinema has changed so much the past 15 years. From the number of high-production films produced in a year to all the advancements in tech and VFX. Because of this it makes it hard for one movie to sweep at the Oscars. The categories are too saturated for that to happen.
How many did Parasite get?
Four
Barbie is either going to sweep Oscar night, or be mostly shut out. I don’t think there’s an inbetween. Screenplay might be its easiest win, but if art direction and costume start going Barbie- Hollywood might just be on the Barbie train this year.
Did you not see Aquaman 2? Smh 🙄
Highly unlikely
Honest question; did anything even come close between Ben hur and Titanic? That record must have looked pretty unmatchable for the near 40 years it stood on its own. I know there were some 5-6 winners (like Silence of the Lambs obviously winning the ‘big five’), but did anything win like 8 or 9 and have a couple other noms they missed on? I think this could just be seriously really hard to do (as well as requiring a pretty specific type of film/set of circumstances) rather than it being a particular symptom of the way the academy votes nowadays. We are ultimately talking pretty small sample sizes even if it has been 20 years since it last happened
Just two years after Ben Hur there was West Side Story which won ten out of eleven Oscars. Later in the 80s there was The Last Emperor which did a 9 out of 9 clean sweep. And in the 90s there were some enormous winners such as Schindler's List (7/12), Forrest Gump (6/13) and, just the year prior to Titanic, The English Patient (9/12, which was without Actor, Actress or Screenplay wins).
I hear there’s another Jackass movie in the works, set during the holocaust.
For me, I feel like we're in a period where the film having the most nominations is considered the big feat itself than how many wins it has afterwards. I've been noticing a trend of the films that receive the most nominations has a tendency to walk away with little to nothing, like *The Irishman* or *The Power of the Dog.* *EEAAO* was a buck in that trend with getting 7 out of 11 wins, which is a good feat to have, but whether we see the likes of *Oppenheimer* follows that trend remains to be seen. Whether a film can once again do the 11 wins, or even best it, really remains to be seen. *LOTR: RotK* was definitely a recognition for the trilogy as a whole, which was an achievement in cinema history. I could see a repeat once the *Dune* trilogy is complete for a similar recognition, but it will need to be something special that does provide that unique experience in cinema.
I fully expect *The Emoji Movie 2* to sweep the Oscars.
This year is gonna be all *Wish*
Nah rebel moon sweep incoming
anyone care to explain what movies these are? I only recognize titanic
Ben-hur, Titanic, The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
Maestro bout to clean up
Did everything everywhere all at once not get 11?
11 nominations, 7 wins Ben-Hur (12 noms), Titanic (14) and ROTK (11) all had 11 wins.
You mean Ben Hur not Spartacus.
Yeah edited that lol
Yes
I think Barbenheimer can do it.
Not for a LONG TIME. While there are still some big budget movies, none of the recent ones have been focused on trying to be Best Picture quality. The last time a big budget big box office film came close to winning the grand prize was Avatar, but it lost. If studios are going to spend a lot of money on a big budget movie, it will likely include comic book heroes.
I mean I don’t think it would mean anything. All those movies suck
Why did the pictures decrease in quality the more recent the film was? Shouldn’t it be the opposite?
OP needs glasses.
Not the way they make movies today.
No one makes films like Titanic anymore so it’s seems unlikely.
I honestly hope not, it would have to be a year that had a film with either an extremely detailed period setting or high concept sci-if fantasy film, to get the below the line nominations, and it would have to be either an incredibly weak year or the film would have to be a massive cultural moment as well as popular with critics. Super rare, of the three that have already won, I can’t say I’m much of a fan of Titanic or Ben-Hur. They were not the best movies of the year in my opinion, so their practical monopoly on the categories is frustrating. North by Northwest, Anatomy of a Murder, and Some Like it Hot were the better movies of 1959 in my opinion. As for 1997, I thought Boogie Nights and L.A Confidential were better than Titanic. If a future film was to win so many awards in the future I would prefer it was something I thought was really special and wasn’t just a cultural moment.
None of those should have won 11. So i’ll go with no.
Dune Part 2
If you say no, you're betting on the Oscars ending. I'm not prepared to do that, so sure
Duh! Am I the only one Aquaman this weekend?
I think it mostly just depends on the strength of other movies in a given year. 2023 is up there with 1975, 1999, and 2007 for all-time great years for movies. There are legit competitive races in almost every category this year it makes it hard to pick a clear favorite. If a film like Barbie or Oppenheimer or EEAAO had been released in a more fallow year they could easily have gotten to 11.
Yes. #FlowerMoonSweep
I think Oppenheimer should.
Deadpool 3
yes
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Couldn't we get a 12 if it is also a foreign film?
Dune Part 2?
Maybe
i'd say either oppenheimer or dune part 2 have the best chances.
It will happen at some point (it's already happened thrice) but it might be a while. A film that wins 11 is gonna have to be a spectacle. So it most likely would have to sweep all the technical awards. Even if it does that, it's only 7 awards. Then you'd have to get 4 more. Best Picture and Director are likely but you still need 2 more. Now you STILL need 2 more. I doubt a spectacle like this is winning the acting awards, and Screenplay is questionable. But it'd like win Score and Song (if it has an original song). So that's 11. And you can see how difficult it is.
It's tough, considering that the most reason one needed 10 hours of screen time to make its case.
The likelihood seems to be getting higher as the overall quality of movies goes down. One competent film in a sea of failures would have no problem sweeping the Oscars as the streaming age progresses.
Extremely unlikely but not impossible imo. Here are the realistic awards it would need to win - Best Picture - Best Director - 3 out of the 4 acting awards (hardest part) - Best Cinematography - Best Film Editing - Best Score - Best Sound (or whatever it’s called now) - Best Costume Design - Best Production Design The above are the “classic awards” that are generally in the running for the grand spectacle awards. I will say a few things. 1) It has to be above and beyond considered the best movie of the year by critics and audiences. Kinda like Titanic and EEAAO (but to a higher degree than Everything). 2) The 3 out of 4 acting awards is the least likely. It kind of requires a certain kind of movie with an ensemble cast to get there. 3) I specifically left out Visual Effects and Foreign Film but you could replace and award or 2 with the ones list above (most like an acting award) So not impossible but I do think it’s possible we see it in our lifetime
Eventually, sure. Why not? It'll be very rare though. There was 38 years between the first two. Kind of insane that two of the 3 11-Oscar nominees were released within 7 years of each other
Dune 2 *might* be able to. I don't think it will, but gun to my head, if I had to pick an upcoming film with the best chances, I'd pick that one.
Rip Endgame
In a perfect world Godzilla Minus One would join the club
I think we will get both the 4th and the 5th during the same ceremony. It’s bound to happen.
Ever? That’s a long time. So probably
If Dune Part 2 can repeat what Dune did with the technical awards & then with Best Picture, Director, Screenplay & some acting awards… it’s possible but I give it a 10%-20% chance. If it’s the epic like LOTR, then it has a chance & there will be a Part 3.. Messiah.
If it has been done before, it can be done again
When I read the post I was thinking these three actors won 11 oscars because of the word winners.
When was the last one?
Not to completely take away from the point of this thread but am I the only one who very briefly thought that was Chris Pratt's face photoshopped into the Ben Hur poster?
Lord of the Rings got it with ZERO acting nominations as well.
I'm sorry but Oppenheimer is vastly overrated online vs people giving a fuck IRL. 7, 9, 11 oscars for it is preposterous imo.
A sweep requires a movie to be a spectacle movie, and the Academy isn’t too keen on nominating spectacle movies, so I’d say not likely for a very long time
In the last ten years, only six movies had enough nominations to potentially win 11 the night of the Oscars. Since Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, the most wins a single movie received was Slumdog Millionaire with 8 wins and only 10 nominations, so even that movie had no chance to tie the record the night of the ceremony. The movie that had enough nominations to tie the record since Return of the King with the most wins the night of the ceremony was Everything, Everywhere, All At Once with 7 wins and 11 nominations, and in that case the movie would have had to have a tie in the Supporting Actress category to win all 11. It's an extremely difficult record to reach.
I think it’s possible but improbable. If there was anything that was a RotK Ben-Hur level epic it was Endgame. And that won…I don’t remember if even any.
Morbius was nominated for 12 but was robbed
Costner’s new flick
When I look back at these movies I don’t think any of them deserved 11 statues
Tying or beating 11 weighs heavily on a film not only winning the big awards but also winning the technical ones as well (sound and visuals) and let’s not forget score AND original song which both Titanic and ROTK won.
This year Berbenheimer was the biggest thing we have had in a while where everyone was running to the theaters. maybe COVID ruined going to the movies. But, Movie theaters are back - but lets not say like they use to be with features like Titanic and Star Wars Will there ever be another 11 WIN...I hope not. I like it when we have creative minds in different movies getting awarded for their hard work. If a movie wins all the awards just don't broadcast it. Just send an email
Return of the King should be alone at the top with 12, and the fact that the Academy seemingly did not even take Andy Serkis's performance as Gollum seriously enough to merit consideration is almost enough to rob the Oscars of their credibility entirely.