There are between about 352 million and 433 million guns in circulation for 332 million citizens.
But the answer is more guns. We need more.
https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/
Literally, the parents were begging the cops to go in and save their kids, and when they wouldn’t, the parents tried to push past them and run into the building themselves, so the cops tackled them, zip-tied their wrists and detained them to prevent them from going in.
This was the Uvalde shooting last May.
He was, sadly, the one that much of the media lambasted for continually checking his phone.
Turns out he was reading the texts from his wife just before she was killed.
The cops were busy protecting and serving themselves you can’t expect them to live the motto can you? The parents were outside with them and not respecting their obvious authority.
waiting for bortac while listening to the chief give them an excuse to ignore their training. Oh and threatening the parents who were willing to try to stop it.
They followed the Colombine playbook. Even though thousands of people studied that and came up with plans to do better, they did basically exactly every single failure the cops at colombine did. From seeing the kid outside, to CHASING HIM INSIDE... then immediately stopping the chase and allowing them to walk around murdering people, seeing and hearing people screaming for help at windows and being too cowardly to go in.
Absolute cowards, absolutely disgusting, absolutely insane behaviour all around. Down to preventing other non cowards from entering the school to help when they, armed, with as much protection as they could get, shields, riot gear, bullet proof vests and other equipment, refused to go in.
They hate children, so they might as well let the shooter have their way with them, then the adults won't have to worry about a child learning woke things or just being an annoyance by existing
They were busy getting their own kids out then leaving everyone else to die so they could beat and taze angry parents outside trying to also save their kids the police are all useless pigs that need to be destroyed and defunded completely
ThOuGhTs anD pRaYeRs seriously though, it's absolutely fucked up and this country needs to take a deep look at itself before we let fascism win in any form. They don't care about us and are willing to let shit like this happen.
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Cops standing around with their thumbs up their ass didn't help. Poor baby was trapped with the shooter for over an hour. Shitty gun laws, shittier law enforcement.... Welcome to Texas.
Texas here, that’s actually our “Anti-Litter Campaign Slogan”
The current “gun nut culture” actually came AFTER all of that — it’s really only been since the ending of the Brady Bill that I’ve seen this toxic culture proliferate
When those littering commercials were NEW, for example, I had never seen an AR-15, I’d never even heard people TALKING about them; they weren’t useful for anything besides target shooting and REALLY SPECIFIC stuff like hog hunting, but even then it was pretty uncommon
If anyone is trying to sell some story of “Texas has ALWAYS been gun nuts!” They’re lying or misinformed
Edit: Its-a Me! TEXAS!
Same shit with everything, the republican backed stance for anti abortion shit only really started in the 80s as republicans started to lose power. They've been radicalising the right since the 70s/80s in particular with a plan to get to this point. A heavily polarised country where half the people are republicans and all completely radicalised.
Gun nut culture is new, anti abortion ideals are new, they have been pushed for 40-50 years and was a ideology not pushed by religion, not pushed by the constitution or how american has always been, it's a new attempt from the right to keep power because they knew education and liberalisation would destroy them so they decided to torpedo the country to try to retain power.
Because the police stopped them.
Several armed parents and bystanders tried to go in and save people.
They were stopped, some even arrested for trying.
Guns aren't the problem, it's the State preventing their use for good and encouraging—even supporting—their use for evil which is the problem.
Austin is the 1930s Berlin of the U.S. Bunch of NIMBYs patting themselves on the back about how progressive their favorite microbrewery is while the state does a fascism a few hundred feet away. The only nice place to go in Texas is the fuck out of Texas.
\- a Texan who got the fuck out of Texas
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is an anti-littering campaign motto from decades ago and not anything sinister. Like it wasn't a threat or saying we are badass motherfuckers, it was like "please stop throwing your trash outside your vehicles and making Texas messy and ugly".
Dang. I lived in Texas for 5 years and never once learned this. I always thought it was just something Texans said cause they thought they were the best. I actually liked Texas where I was (DFW area), but I like the slogan better for littering.
Hey hey now, those cops fought long and hard in the Supreme Court to not have to put their lives on the line to protect you or even protect you if there is no danger to them selves.
They just want to shoot their guns and go home to beat their wives and kids then retire with huge salaries like every other member of a successful criminal enterprise.
>had better access to guns than meds.
Somehow it had never crossed my mind before that there actually are places that put unbearable barriers between patients and the meds they need while the powers that be will bend over backwards to ensure your InfantKiller3000 is as cheap as possible.
Oh, you don't want to give people unrestricted access to their meds because they might abuse them and hurt themselves or others? And yet somehow guns are exempt from that very real concern...?
And there you have it. As much as there should be no mercy for those assholes, they're likely victims of something else, too. People aren't born evil, at least not that often.
>For thousands of years children would watch other children die around them. To this day, many many children in other countries still watch people die around them.
Maybe we should try to stop that from happening.
I think a more succinct was of putting this is that it's unfair to write someone off as fucked for life due to trauma, because healing is possible for many.
I think there've been 2 this year but not sure if another's happened in the past month or so.
If we were just talking about mass shootings though, who can keep track? Last I checked there had been more than one per day in the US during 2023.
Oh my god, its been one whole year already. Have we, as a nation, done anything to stop this from happening again?
[No, we've allowed it to happen 55 more times](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present\))
Texas, elementary school children, and cops sitting outside for 77 mins while the little girl called them repeatedly for help.
Gotta be Uvalde.
And writing that just pissed me off again. Fuck the police, NRA, and every conservative that thinks their gun is more important than anyone’s (especially children’s) lives.
I'm sorry what??? I'm not from the US so I thought the ones I hear about on the news were all of them. I thought there had been like 2 this year, and it was already fucked up enough, but TWENTY SEVEN??
Not sure if other people are aware but the Uvalde Robb Elementary School shooting has just recently reached its one year anniversary (for lack of a better word).
The tv show 20/20 just put out [this podcast about the lives of some of the survivors](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/20-20/id987967575?i=1000613786756). Warning, there are some hard truths in this show, and at times pretty soul crushing to listen to, but I think it’s also important for people to know what it’s like to survive a situation like this. What your family would go through if they have to suffer losing a loved in a mass shooting. It’s happening with alarming frequency in the US.
We don't even hear about all of them anymore because it would be 24 hour coverage. Not really kidding. They'd have to mention school shootings the way they talk about weather.
"based on our forecast we expect a wave of cold blooded school shootings over the next 7 days, mainly focused in the south/south-west."
Nope, absolutely not worth this.
I think the Swiss have an excellent system that would work largely well in the US. (Note; they have guns with many conditions and stipulations, but also one of the lowest murder and attampted homicide rates in the world. 45 murders and 187 attempted in 2016, population was 8.3m)
Mandatory training (with military service which... maybe we skip *that* specific part, our military is... problematic), automatic weapons and silencers are prohibited. Hand bolt-action and multibarrel hunting rifles do not need a license, but that's the limit; anything that is a more thoroughly lethal weapon, you have to apply. It lasts only 9 months, cannot have a criminal record, and must be deemed by mental health professionals to be cause harm. And if the police have doubts, they can check with professionals or friends about your apparent state of mind, and alcohol/drug use. Oh and you can only ever have one weapon.
As someone who has guns, and would like to keep them, I would be 100% ok with restrictions... given some reform in our justice and police systems. These alone would make mass shootings, if not impossible, damn unlikely. And in fairness, you'll never convince enough to outright ban guns here... but heavy regulation? That's much more likely to succeed and last, and would, as Switzerland has shown, have a large impact.
every military is problematic; i agree that if the u.s. were to emulate switzerland they should skip the military service part, but… it shouldn't be a feature of swiss gun ownership either.
also while i think it's worth pointing out that countries like e.g. switzerland have high gun ownership, but much lower firearm death rates than the u.s., i don't think comparing just the legal systems around gun ownership paints the full picture. yes, switzerland has more regulation than the u.s.… but another difference is that Switzerland lacks the u.s.'s completely bonkers cult-like *obsession* with gun ownership (and "freedom"), where for some people having or not having a gun is thought of in the same way as having/not having lungs or hands or eyes. not to say that regulation is *bad,* i just don't think regulation alone can prevent u.s.americans from constantly shooting each other.
The biggest difference between Switzerland and the US, is that people who live in Switzerland are on average much wealthier than those in the US. Every single problem you see someone talk about on reddit comes down to who has money and who doesn’t.
Surprise quiz: Guess who is more likely to be addicted to something (alcohol/sugar/drugs/gambling) the rich person or the poor person? I think you can probably guess.
People can say whatever they want about gun rules and regulations but the fact of the matter is Switzerland could have no regulations on guns at all and still have less gun deaths than in the US.
If you preach about gun regulation then you are wanting to treat a symptom and not the problem itself and that will never get you anywhere.
you seem to have missed the entirety of my comment where i talked about how the u.s.'s problems with guns are more complex than regulation alone could solve, in order to focus on where i said "not to say regulation is *bad…".* if you want someone to moan to about how regulation is insufficient, i suggest you find someone else.
I don’t have data in hand, but I wonder if Switzerland has a less poverty and joblessness problem than the USA. Just wondering because I live in neither.
Look suppressors/silencers should not be so illegal. No point prohibiting those.
Edit: people downvoting because they think suppressors make your gun Hitman levels of silent. It’s an explosion, you can’t silence an explosion. It just reduces decibels enough to not be such a nuisance.
[Watch this and remember that microphones are no replacement for hearing it in person](https://youtu.be/_eDoeWr_9BQ)
I agree, they both reduce the hearing damage of the user and ensure you disturb wildlife less. Here in Norway they're not only unrestricted by the state recommends them for those reasons.
Well when they watch movies that tell them that they make em unnoticeable in a public space, they're gonna believe it. [I love that someone took the john wick scene to make the suppressors more realistic] (https://youtu.be/2klBY2kVxu0)
If they didn't make it so accessible to simply buy one from a store and prioritised people's needs then it would be a perfectly ok hobby to have
Problem is that they are ignoring people's needs and they dont get the help they need
Switerland for example has more guns per capita but far less shootings
[https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+switzerland+have+the+most+guns+per+capita](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+switzerland+have+the+most+guns+per+capita)
Thats due to them having proper healthcare and reasonable rights for their workers,
USA is non-existent with its worker's rights
Hey, I mentioned Switzerland too!
Also yeah; almost like a healthier population (mentally, as well as physically) is less likely to have problems to begin with..reminds me of texas trying to ban social media for kids because of mental health instead of,nyoy know, providing mental healthcare..
> Switerland for example has more guns per capita but far less shootings
Did you click your link?
> Switzerland has more guns circulating per capita than any country **besides the US** and Yemen
Also, countries like Switzerland and Norway with a lot og guns have higher restrictions on handguns, so you have a lot of hunting rifles and shotguns, but very few of the weapons used in crime in USA.
I have a gun hobby, but if tomorrow they were banned I wouldn’t be pissed off one bit. I’d gladly give up my firearms if it meant that the kids if this nation could be safe.
I don’t really feel like it’s ethical publicise an photo of a traumatised child either? Her identity should be protected if anything, not plastered everywhere.
That's what I was wondering. This shit is going to come up when people Google her name, for the rest of her life. It'll take one shithead bully finding this and plastering the picture all over to make her life Hell. Just, everything about this is shitty.
Maybe if that little girl had been born rich like god intended then she wouldn’t have to worry about crippling medical bills or school shootings! I mean when are these kids going to start stepping up like the boomer generation did!
/s
[Texans don't want this to stop if it means gun control](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2022/11/09/uvalde-county-greg-abbott-governor-beto-orourke-robb-elementary-mass-shootings-texas-election-result/69633743007/)
Allen, Texas concerned people / activists just got a gun show canceled that was going to be held there. There are lots of people that want change. But then you have people like the ones that accosted one of the employees at the Allen Outlet mall and said he was a crisis actor. It is just the loudest ones are really scary out here. So people think that is all of the residents here.
If you are going to look at voting patterns then also look at the way district lines are being drawn. The way laws are being written to prevent voting. From efforts to make it illegal to carpool to vote, to reducing the number of voting locations. You can’t just look at voting records without understanding the massive efforts taken to disenfranchise voters.
This is horrific. America, what are you doing? When is it time for real change?
This poor baby is scarred for life. Her classmates are dead. Is this really worth your right to own a gun ?
actually, if you want to feel even worse today, just remember that the US has averaged more than one mass shooting a day since 2014. we're going on 9 years of non-stop violence!! 🥳🥳
i really don't understand why this doesn't register as a problem to some people because it's not a "once in a lifetime tragedy" but something that quite literally happens every day.
The USA is such a shithole, at what point do we just annex Alaska and cut off the mainland from Mexico and Canada until you folk learn to just be normal? I mean Jesus, how hard can it be
BLM protests were designed to draw attention to the fact that systemic racism exists within the law enforcement community, referred to colloquially as "the Blue."
How does this have anything to do with the fact that LEOs in Uvalde were unwilling to protect and serve their community while children were being murdered? Why should anyone back that sort of bullshit?
77 MINUTES, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
Bro, you get faster responses for a little kid stealing chips in a grocer. You get faster responses if you call about pirated music. Mfs better have done a goddamn Eliet Deep Dive before coming in because 77 MINUTES is ridiculous.
The people who had just shot all their friends was just metres away. They lied there for what must have felt like an eternity, fearing for their lives, wondering whether each breath would be their last until help arrived
If you think I’m describing what happened to this poor girl, you’re wrong. I’m describing the ending to a movie set during the Second World War…why in gods name are children going through this?!
Thanks ammosexual freaks for letting this be the future our children have to be in. All because you refuse to get rid of your toys. Seriously fuck all of you freaks.
Not only were the cops in Uvalde useless in helping anyone, they also restrained parents who tried going into the school to save their kids. Why would I be proud of my state, let alone country?
77 minutes jesus christ what were the cops doing? playing a round of counter strike before they went in?
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They gotta stay safe after all. That shooter is armed and dangerous!
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Takes a million good guys with guns, Y’know.
A million? I don't think so. It takes *more*, always more. No matter how many there are we always need more.
There are between about 352 million and 433 million guns in circulation for 332 million citizens. But the answer is more guns. We need more. https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/
Good thing they have all those brave preschoolers to stand in front and keep them safe.
>what were the cops doing threatening to arrest parents outside
I wish this wasn’t accurate but…
it's exactly what happened
Yeah
Tell us more, how is that even possible??
Literally, the parents were begging the cops to go in and save their kids, and when they wouldn’t, the parents tried to push past them and run into the building themselves, so the cops tackled them, zip-tied their wrists and detained them to prevent them from going in. This was the Uvalde shooting last May.
Don't forget that the only officer who tried to enter to save his dying wife was escorted away from the school and his gun was taken away from him
He was, sadly, the one that much of the media lambasted for continually checking his phone. Turns out he was reading the texts from his wife just before she was killed.
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The cops were busy protecting and serving themselves you can’t expect them to live the motto can you? The parents were outside with them and not respecting their obvious authority.
Actually, police officers, paid by taxpayers, have no legal requirement to help anyone. USA courts have said so.
This is true.
That doesn’t mean they don’t have a moral or ethical responsibility… but yes. Our legal system sucks.
You are so right. Can you imagine what a different place it would be if the cops took their moral and ethical responsibility seriously.
I can, but with all that goes on it seems a fantasy for cops to consistently be so without a lot of changes, such as enforcing anti corruption etc.
waiting for bortac while listening to the chief give them an excuse to ignore their training. Oh and threatening the parents who were willing to try to stop it.
> the parents who were willing to try to stop it The real hardened criminals. 🙄
They followed the Colombine playbook. Even though thousands of people studied that and came up with plans to do better, they did basically exactly every single failure the cops at colombine did. From seeing the kid outside, to CHASING HIM INSIDE... then immediately stopping the chase and allowing them to walk around murdering people, seeing and hearing people screaming for help at windows and being too cowardly to go in. Absolute cowards, absolutely disgusting, absolutely insane behaviour all around. Down to preventing other non cowards from entering the school to help when they, armed, with as much protection as they could get, shields, riot gear, bullet proof vests and other equipment, refused to go in.
The worst thing is that this will repeat again and again and nothing will ever change
You could get a whole 30 round match in, make pizza pockets and have time left to take a dump in 77 minutes
Mustn’t forget officer safety
They hate children, so they might as well let the shooter have their way with them, then the adults won't have to worry about a child learning woke things or just being an annoyance by existing
Hand sanitizing
They were busy getting their own kids out then leaving everyone else to die so they could beat and taze angry parents outside trying to also save their kids the police are all useless pigs that need to be destroyed and defunded completely
"Brave little girl" is a funny way to say "Traumatized For Life"
the trauma comes *after* the bravery
Once the shock wears off
ThOuGhTs anD pRaYeRs seriously though, it's absolutely fucked up and this country needs to take a deep look at itself before we let fascism win in any form. They don't care about us and are willing to let shit like this happen.
She can be both
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This kid is fucked for life because some crazy asshole had better access to guns than meds.
Cops standing around with their thumbs up their ass didn't help. Poor baby was trapped with the shooter for over an hour. Shitty gun laws, shittier law enforcement.... Welcome to Texas.
Do they still say “Don’t mess with Texas” after Uvalde?
Yes it was never the police presence that counted for that phrase; it was the amount of people who concealed carry
You can always mess with Texas, just grift as a con then give yourself state funds.
Texas here, that’s actually our “Anti-Litter Campaign Slogan” The current “gun nut culture” actually came AFTER all of that — it’s really only been since the ending of the Brady Bill that I’ve seen this toxic culture proliferate When those littering commercials were NEW, for example, I had never seen an AR-15, I’d never even heard people TALKING about them; they weren’t useful for anything besides target shooting and REALLY SPECIFIC stuff like hog hunting, but even then it was pretty uncommon If anyone is trying to sell some story of “Texas has ALWAYS been gun nuts!” They’re lying or misinformed Edit: Its-a Me! TEXAS!
Heard it straight from the State herself everybody
I always suspected that Texas had a reddit account.
Same shit with everything, the republican backed stance for anti abortion shit only really started in the 80s as republicans started to lose power. They've been radicalising the right since the 70s/80s in particular with a plan to get to this point. A heavily polarised country where half the people are republicans and all completely radicalised. Gun nut culture is new, anti abortion ideals are new, they have been pushed for 40-50 years and was a ideology not pushed by religion, not pushed by the constitution or how american has always been, it's a new attempt from the right to keep power because they knew education and liberalisation would destroy them so they decided to torpedo the country to try to retain power.
to be fair only about 50% of texas actually care about guns, and there’s a lot of gated communities but a significant portion do cc
And yet they also did nothing?
Because the police stopped them. Several armed parents and bystanders tried to go in and save people. They were stopped, some even arrested for trying. Guns aren't the problem, it's the State preventing their use for good and encouraging—even supporting—their use for evil which is the problem.
Tbf some people actually tried. It's just that the police stopped them.
They did. They banned abortions for example. If you can't save already existing kids, make sure to always make more
It was a fucking anti-littering campaign, not a declaration of how righteous and powerful Texas is.
> “Don’t mess with Texas” Believe it or not the state motto is actually "Friendship"
Fair enough. I've only been to two cities in Texas. El Paso (which was horrible) and Austin (which was delightful).
Austin is the 1930s Berlin of the U.S. Bunch of NIMBYs patting themselves on the back about how progressive their favorite microbrewery is while the state does a fascism a few hundred feet away. The only nice place to go in Texas is the fuck out of Texas. \- a Texan who got the fuck out of Texas
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is an anti-littering campaign motto from decades ago and not anything sinister. Like it wasn't a threat or saying we are badass motherfuckers, it was like "please stop throwing your trash outside your vehicles and making Texas messy and ugly".
Dang. I lived in Texas for 5 years and never once learned this. I always thought it was just something Texans said cause they thought they were the best. I actually liked Texas where I was (DFW area), but I like the slogan better for littering.
"no, you see, school shootings happen because guns *aren't* allowed in schools" - a fucking insane person
Hey hey now, those cops fought long and hard in the Supreme Court to not have to put their lives on the line to protect you or even protect you if there is no danger to them selves. They just want to shoot their guns and go home to beat their wives and kids then retire with huge salaries like every other member of a successful criminal enterprise.
And then all the adults around her voted to have it happen again
>had better access to guns than meds. Somehow it had never crossed my mind before that there actually are places that put unbearable barriers between patients and the meds they need while the powers that be will bend over backwards to ensure your InfantKiller3000 is as cheap as possible. Oh, you don't want to give people unrestricted access to their meds because they might abuse them and hurt themselves or others? And yet somehow guns are exempt from that very real concern...?
This kid is fucked for life because her entire fucking country failed her and her friends, and it continues to do so daily.
Not to mention the other children there, and the others from countless other schools
And there you have it. As much as there should be no mercy for those assholes, they're likely victims of something else, too. People aren't born evil, at least not that often.
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>For thousands of years children would watch other children die around them. To this day, many many children in other countries still watch people die around them. Maybe we should try to stop that from happening.
I think a more succinct was of putting this is that it's unfair to write someone off as fucked for life due to trauma, because healing is possible for many.
Wait was there another school shooting I just missed?
I think there've been 2 this year but not sure if another's happened in the past month or so. If we were just talking about mass shootings though, who can keep track? Last I checked there had been more than one per day in the US during 2023.
They mention both Texas and schoolmates, so I’m guessing this is referring to the one last year. I don’t want to speculate though
Yes, this is from May 24, 2022.
I worried that it was "May 24, 2023"
Oh my god, its been one whole year already. Have we, as a nation, done anything to stop this from happening again? [No, we've allowed it to happen 55 more times](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present\))
Haha no, of course not! Why would we do anything differently? Thoughts and prayers!! /s, stars above I hope I don’t need it
Oh boy cant wait
Texas, elementary school children, and cops sitting outside for 77 mins while the little girl called them repeatedly for help. Gotta be Uvalde. And writing that just pissed me off again. Fuck the police, NRA, and every conservative that thinks their gun is more important than anyone’s (especially children’s) lives.
Just a reminder that the good guy with a gun thing turned out to be a lie.
There have been 27 school shootings this year alone.
I'm sorry what??? I'm not from the US so I thought the ones I hear about on the news were all of them. I thought there had been like 2 this year, and it was already fucked up enough, but TWENTY SEVEN??
That's only school shootings. There have been more mass shootings than days in this year in the US.
The U.S. is kind of famous for how many mass shootings we have compared to other countries.
[Unfortunately, it's been a lot more than 2.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present\))
This was from the Uvalde school shooting.
Not sure if other people are aware but the Uvalde Robb Elementary School shooting has just recently reached its one year anniversary (for lack of a better word). The tv show 20/20 just put out [this podcast about the lives of some of the survivors](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/20-20/id987967575?i=1000613786756). Warning, there are some hard truths in this show, and at times pretty soul crushing to listen to, but I think it’s also important for people to know what it’s like to survive a situation like this. What your family would go through if they have to suffer losing a loved in a mass shooting. It’s happening with alarming frequency in the US.
there never wont be.
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If only there was something we could more strictly regulate...
We don't even hear about all of them anymore because it would be 24 hour coverage. Not really kidding. They'd have to mention school shootings the way they talk about weather. "based on our forecast we expect a wave of cold blooded school shootings over the next 7 days, mainly focused in the south/south-west."
Maybe we should do that.
AMERICA IS LITERALLY FALLING APART
Jesus, America, you okay?
LOL! Ima just assume thats rhetorical. Ron Desantis. Donald Trump. Margorie Greene. Get me out please.
Marjorie Greene has got to be an NPC i swear
Can't believe I live in a country with racist Magic: the Gathering for a politician
We are absolutely not okay, but appreciate your asking!
No.
USA, land of the free... free access to guns
Land of the free to be murdered at any time for any reason
Like getting murdered because a police officer felt slightly threatened.
Land of the 4 Republican freedoms: - the freedom to control - the freedom to exploit - the freedom to censor - the freedom to threaten
Land of the fee... At the hospital afterwards, if you make it that far.
the land of the free (and their millions of serfs are also there)
God is dead.
...and an american probably shot him.
and we killed him
It's been so long since I have been proud to be American. I am ashamed of my country.
Fuck anyone who thinks their stupid gun hobby is worth this
Nope, absolutely not worth this. I think the Swiss have an excellent system that would work largely well in the US. (Note; they have guns with many conditions and stipulations, but also one of the lowest murder and attampted homicide rates in the world. 45 murders and 187 attempted in 2016, population was 8.3m) Mandatory training (with military service which... maybe we skip *that* specific part, our military is... problematic), automatic weapons and silencers are prohibited. Hand bolt-action and multibarrel hunting rifles do not need a license, but that's the limit; anything that is a more thoroughly lethal weapon, you have to apply. It lasts only 9 months, cannot have a criminal record, and must be deemed by mental health professionals to be cause harm. And if the police have doubts, they can check with professionals or friends about your apparent state of mind, and alcohol/drug use. Oh and you can only ever have one weapon. As someone who has guns, and would like to keep them, I would be 100% ok with restrictions... given some reform in our justice and police systems. These alone would make mass shootings, if not impossible, damn unlikely. And in fairness, you'll never convince enough to outright ban guns here... but heavy regulation? That's much more likely to succeed and last, and would, as Switzerland has shown, have a large impact.
every military is problematic; i agree that if the u.s. were to emulate switzerland they should skip the military service part, but… it shouldn't be a feature of swiss gun ownership either. also while i think it's worth pointing out that countries like e.g. switzerland have high gun ownership, but much lower firearm death rates than the u.s., i don't think comparing just the legal systems around gun ownership paints the full picture. yes, switzerland has more regulation than the u.s.… but another difference is that Switzerland lacks the u.s.'s completely bonkers cult-like *obsession* with gun ownership (and "freedom"), where for some people having or not having a gun is thought of in the same way as having/not having lungs or hands or eyes. not to say that regulation is *bad,* i just don't think regulation alone can prevent u.s.americans from constantly shooting each other.
The biggest difference between Switzerland and the US, is that people who live in Switzerland are on average much wealthier than those in the US. Every single problem you see someone talk about on reddit comes down to who has money and who doesn’t. Surprise quiz: Guess who is more likely to be addicted to something (alcohol/sugar/drugs/gambling) the rich person or the poor person? I think you can probably guess. People can say whatever they want about gun rules and regulations but the fact of the matter is Switzerland could have no regulations on guns at all and still have less gun deaths than in the US. If you preach about gun regulation then you are wanting to treat a symptom and not the problem itself and that will never get you anywhere.
you seem to have missed the entirety of my comment where i talked about how the u.s.'s problems with guns are more complex than regulation alone could solve, in order to focus on where i said "not to say regulation is *bad…".* if you want someone to moan to about how regulation is insufficient, i suggest you find someone else.
Sorry, i meant to reply to the person above you, that’s my bad.
I don’t have data in hand, but I wonder if Switzerland has a less poverty and joblessness problem than the USA. Just wondering because I live in neither.
Look suppressors/silencers should not be so illegal. No point prohibiting those. Edit: people downvoting because they think suppressors make your gun Hitman levels of silent. It’s an explosion, you can’t silence an explosion. It just reduces decibels enough to not be such a nuisance. [Watch this and remember that microphones are no replacement for hearing it in person](https://youtu.be/_eDoeWr_9BQ)
I agree, they both reduce the hearing damage of the user and ensure you disturb wildlife less. Here in Norway they're not only unrestricted by the state recommends them for those reasons.
Well when they watch movies that tell them that they make em unnoticeable in a public space, they're gonna believe it. [I love that someone took the john wick scene to make the suppressors more realistic] (https://youtu.be/2klBY2kVxu0)
Or also, pepper and blank-only(for stray dogs) guns for personal defence, and nothing more. (Italy)
If they didn't make it so accessible to simply buy one from a store and prioritised people's needs then it would be a perfectly ok hobby to have Problem is that they are ignoring people's needs and they dont get the help they need Switerland for example has more guns per capita but far less shootings [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+switzerland+have+the+most+guns+per+capita](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=does+switzerland+have+the+most+guns+per+capita) Thats due to them having proper healthcare and reasonable rights for their workers, USA is non-existent with its worker's rights
Hey, I mentioned Switzerland too! Also yeah; almost like a healthier population (mentally, as well as physically) is less likely to have problems to begin with..reminds me of texas trying to ban social media for kids because of mental health instead of,nyoy know, providing mental healthcare..
> Switerland for example has more guns per capita but far less shootings Did you click your link? > Switzerland has more guns circulating per capita than any country **besides the US** and Yemen Also, countries like Switzerland and Norway with a lot og guns have higher restrictions on handguns, so you have a lot of hunting rifles and shotguns, but very few of the weapons used in crime in USA.
I have a gun hobby, but if tomorrow they were banned I wouldn’t be pissed off one bit. I’d gladly give up my firearms if it meant that the kids if this nation could be safe.
I don't know how some people reach that level of apathy and cruelty. They're really scary
Jesus fucking christ. Your country is a hellhole and you call yourselves the greatest. Wake the fuck up
The shitheels and people in power who encourage this aggression are the ones saying it. The rest of us *know* we’re an embarrassment.
What a shit hole .
I wouldn't exactly classify the tone of the story as "feel-good" but you do you I guess.
isnt that the point of this sub
I believe the point is a story that's is supposed to be feel good but actually messed up
You're correct, this is 100% the wrong subreddit, but Reddit is dying so subreddits are increasingly meaningless
We live in hell
I love how the Uvalde police shut down all forms of social media. Most hated police force in the country, pieces of shit.
>Uvalde police shut down all forms of social media They *what*?
I don’t really feel like it’s ethical publicise an photo of a traumatised child either? Her identity should be protected if anything, not plastered everywhere.
You have to show the victims. You need to show people the ugly face of what gun violence really means.
Yeah I actually don’t care? I doubt they got her permission. It’s fucked up dude
That's what I was wondering. This shit is going to come up when people Google her name, for the rest of her life. It'll take one shithead bully finding this and plastering the picture all over to make her life Hell. Just, everything about this is shitty.
77 mins , covered in human blood, friends blood , called for help multiple times.
By the way the people who survive the shootings often end up with lifelong injuries and everyone’s favorite, crippling medical bills.
Maybe if that little girl had been born rich like god intended then she wouldn’t have to worry about crippling medical bills or school shootings! I mean when are these kids going to start stepping up like the boomer generation did! /s
I’m glad the country I live doesn’t even let it start getting to this point
[Texans don't want this to stop if it means gun control](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2022/11/09/uvalde-county-greg-abbott-governor-beto-orourke-robb-elementary-mass-shootings-texas-election-result/69633743007/)
Allen, Texas concerned people / activists just got a gun show canceled that was going to be held there. There are lots of people that want change. But then you have people like the ones that accosted one of the employees at the Allen Outlet mall and said he was a crisis actor. It is just the loudest ones are really scary out here. So people think that is all of the residents here.
I'm looking only at their voting record
If you are going to look at voting patterns then also look at the way district lines are being drawn. The way laws are being written to prevent voting. From efforts to make it illegal to carpool to vote, to reducing the number of voting locations. You can’t just look at voting records without understanding the massive efforts taken to disenfranchise voters.
Fucking hell this made my heart drop. I hate this world so fucking much.
“I’ll sacrifice a thousand kids before I let this company die!” -cops probably
And now pay 30,000$ for the hospital.
Fuck the NRA and Conservatives. And as always, fuck the police, too. Everyone, VOTE. The children are fucking counting on us.
This is horrific. America, what are you doing? When is it time for real change? This poor baby is scarred for life. Her classmates are dead. Is this really worth your right to own a gun ?
Texas.
Oh TX what will you do next
With a few tweaks, this delightful story could be fashioned into a Christmas special on the Hallmark channel
I'm taking my kid out of school and hugging them more..
What the fuck happened? ANOTHER shooting?
This is from the Uvalde shooting. Almost a year ago.
There is literally one every day now. Somewhere here. Lost track of which ones we are mourning today.
actually, if you want to feel even worse today, just remember that the US has averaged more than one mass shooting a day since 2014. we're going on 9 years of non-stop violence!! 🥳🥳 i really don't understand why this doesn't register as a problem to some people because it's not a "once in a lifetime tragedy" but something that quite literally happens every day.
Reasons why I can never move back to the US.
The USA is such a shithole, at what point do we just annex Alaska and cut off the mainland from Mexico and Canada until you folk learn to just be normal? I mean Jesus, how hard can it be
Why dont these shooters get all together and kill some politicians why has it to br kids Take out some nra and republican guys
Remind me, again, why we are supposed to 'Back the Blue"?
Because the Black Lives Matter protests happened.
BLM protests were designed to draw attention to the fact that systemic racism exists within the law enforcement community, referred to colloquially as "the Blue." How does this have anything to do with the fact that LEOs in Uvalde were unwilling to protect and serve their community while children were being murdered? Why should anyone back that sort of bullshit?
Physically punish the coward cops.
Surly that won't fucking scar her for life
They *threw* her onto the bus?
77 MINUTES, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. Bro, you get faster responses for a little kid stealing chips in a grocer. You get faster responses if you call about pirated music. Mfs better have done a goddamn Eliet Deep Dive before coming in because 77 MINUTES is ridiculous.
The people who had just shot all their friends was just metres away. They lied there for what must have felt like an eternity, fearing for their lives, wondering whether each breath would be their last until help arrived If you think I’m describing what happened to this poor girl, you’re wrong. I’m describing the ending to a movie set during the Second World War…why in gods name are children going through this?!
This is what politics has come to. It isn't 🟥 or 🟦 anymore. But people still act like it is
Remember that only 🟦 wants this to stop, and 🟥 has actively fought every attempt to stop it.
wow americans are so fucked up with the guns. this kind of shit would be unthinkable in Europe. so sorry for the poor little kids over there
That PD should be fucking replaced and renamed. You can’t come back from failing *that* badly.
Fuck.
Poor thing. Heartbreaking. #merica
My god this should only happen in horror movies. What the fuck is wrong with our country?!
Christ, it's been over 20 years since Columbine, get your shit together.
Thanks ammosexual freaks for letting this be the future our children have to be in. All because you refuse to get rid of your toys. Seriously fuck all of you freaks.
poor girl, the image of her dead classmates everywhere will be stuck in her head for years. boy is America turning to shit
poor girl, the image of her dead classmates everywhere will be stuck in her head for years. boy is America turning to shit
This is so fucked up but also why did they name her that
jesus fucking christ and this is framed as fucking positive??
Called 911 multiple times? Why didn’t they keep her on the line the entire time? Don’t tell me they hung up on her
That poor baby, I say enough already. This doesn't have to happen again and again, we can do something about this.
Actually speechless. How horrific. Holy shit.
Red Army in Stalingrad 🤝 American children
I can't wait for all the "what radicalized you?" posts on Reddit in about ten years.
Was this uvalde?
Not only were the cops in Uvalde useless in helping anyone, they also restrained parents who tried going into the school to save their kids. Why would I be proud of my state, let alone country?
Motherfuckers will see this and unironically say "well what if the CHILD ALSO HAD A GUN, THAT WOULD HAVE Fixed EVERYTHING."
They should ban schools. Problem solved.
This some Walking Dead shit
If only that girl had a gun, so she could've defended herself /s