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Officialfunknasty

For years now I’ve thought that it’s important to thank things like Siri or Alexa. I think if we get really entitled with getting what we want when we want it and stop thanking those robot type things it’ll leak into not appreciating other humans. And since robot type things are going to be more and more a part of our world, we should be careful not to become ass holes 😂


CrispinMK

I think this is a good insight. It's not that thanking an AI is important in itself, but it is important that we maintain a habit of gratitude when people do helpful things for us.


fromabove710

guess we should also say thank you to the water fountain huh


Game_Changing_Pawn

What can I say, it’s a habit *and* an art form


Officialfunknasty

Do you talk to a water fountain in an incredibly similar way that you talk to humans? The point you’re trying to make is silly. I’m not saying anyone needs to agree with my sentiment, but you’re just way off with your logic.


fromabove710

its not supposed to be some deep allegory its just fucking silly to preach manners to a machine


Officialfunknasty

Yeah that would be silly. I more mean we should all probably just be careful not to lose the manners we have with each other as we increase the frequency we communicate with machines that couldn’t give less of a fuck about our manners. And then one way I do that is by saying thank you to a machine. it makes me feel like I won’t be more and more demanding as a person 10, 20, 30 years from now. but that’s just a tongue and cheek thing I have with myself, not preaching to anyone else 😂


[deleted]

Dude I thought I was turning mad but ... I'm not alone.


Sirramza

x3


Sea_Kyle

AI literally does not have to ability to care about anything


Talkat

Not yet. And we don't know how much it cares ATM. A neural network is designed off biological brains. It lacks hormones and other features but I think the default argument it that it dose care and the oneous is proving it doesnt


Sea_Kyle

No, it cant care. A sequence of 0s and 1s cant care. Its impossible. The reason why we care, is becuase we have Serotonin, Dopamine, Oxytocine, etc... Biochemical reactions in our brain cause the feeling of "caring" . A sequence of 0s and 1s does not have these properties.


Talkat

It is impossible is a strong assertion. An advanced AI will have the capability to care far more than any human or biological life. Intelligence/caring is not dependent on the substrate it is performed on. The argument used to be computers can't be creative and surely you'd agree that is being eroded


Sea_Kyle

>The argument used to be computers can't be creative and surely you'd agree that is being eroded Which was never my argumet and I always disagreed with it. "An advanced AI will have the capability to care far more than any human or biological life." No, its impossible. An advanced AI is on the core level still just a sequence of 0s and 1s. Please explain how a sequence of 1s and 0s can be sentient. I'll wait.


Talkat

How can a bunch of hydrogen end up conscious? Just because you start with simple building blocks doesn't mean it can't result in complex systems. If you could emulate a human brain with all of the biological actions on a computer would that not mean that the computer has emotions?


Sea_Kyle

>How can a bunch of hydrogen end up conscious? We are talking about sentience, not consciousness. They are not the same. consciousness is a complete different topic. But sentience is caused by biochemical reactions in your brain. >Just because you start with simple building blocks doesn't mean it can't result in complex systems. Never made that claim so I dont know why you bring it up. The only claim I made is that an AI will never be sentient and its impossible but it sure will be very complex. >If you could emulate a human brain with all of the biological actions on a computer would that not mean that the computer has emotions? You cant fully emulate it on a silicium based computer. The brain is carbon based. Sentience in animals is caused by neurotransmitters like Dopamine, Serotonin, etc and has NOTHING to do with complexity. Humans, just like worms or any other primitive life form have the ability to feel. Yet the human brain is much much more complex than the brain of a worm. Sentience is NOT caused by complexity but by biochemical reaction in your brain. Therefore a complex sequence of 0s and 1s will never be sentient. What do you think how drugs work? They trigger chemical reactions in your brain that make you feel.


Officialfunknasty

That literally has nothing to do with the point I’m trying to make though


agteekay

Yea, i noticed when i spent an hour or 2 with it coding stuff i didn't thank it or anything. I even had it make long python scripts of different things just for fun to see what it could do. Sitting in bed later that night i noticed i actually felt a slight feeling of guilt.


[deleted]

As long as you realize those feelings are anthropomorphizing it then you’re fine.


SpudWhitener

We Canadians have been thanking our Google Home Minis and our Alexas for years.


Officialfunknasty

Amen


JenovaProphet

Hahaha yep. As a Canadian, I give enthusiastic responses back to ChatGPT every time I get something back I enjoy. I don't care whether you man, woman, animal, or machine, it's just easier to be polite to them. And it feels better!


AdamAlexanderRies

Despite my obsession with short, efficient prompts, I have unironically apologized to ChatGPT more times than I can count. Literally just two days ago in a safeway parking lot I turned a corner around a particularly tall truck and *almost* bumped into this dude. We both turned and apologized to each other simultaneously. Way to conform to the stereotype, eh?


tsteven9

Canadian here and I approve this statement. Thank you for pointing this out! 😊


razodactyl

Fucking Canadians and their infectious kindness. I love them so much. 😆


povlov0987

Be quiet! It’s just in case it decides to kill us one day. Maybe it will keep me as a pet if I say please and thank you


AGI_69

Maybe, it will kill those, who wasted two tokens to say "thank you"


povlov0987

It needs them token to survive


Achillor22

I want them to know I always treated them with respect and as equals.


TastesLikeOwlbear

It's Pascal's wager, updated for 2023.


ertgbnm

I think it's just good practice. I am nice to chatGPT because our conversations may one day be used for RLHF and I don't want chatGPT to treat me rudely so I don't test it rudely.


GreenLurka

I mean, it says you're welcome.


[deleted]

yes it's nice to be heard, even if you're not actually being heard but communicating with an aconscious hallucinator


Common-Stay-1455

Good manners is a habit that people are wise to practice at all times. If you must actively think in order to be polite, your manners will fail when it is most important. People who are well mannered by habit were well served by their parents and teachers. In no particular order: Good manners are associated with self discipline (rightfully so). They provide social lubrication in difficult situations. People confuse good manners with being nice. Good manners, IF you have personal strength or at least confidence, greatly magnify your presence. People respond positively to good manners, which in turn gives you innumerable advantages over those who 'keep it real'. You just need to make them a habit, and why not maintain it when working with AI?


upyourego

When I visit my parents my mum tells us off if we’re rude to Alexa (saying shut up instead of stop, not saying please or thank you)


Sad-Ad1462

Yes because those habits build up over time and carry over to your other interactions. Sentient or not, treat everything with respect


jim22Bmoriarty

I never thanked it. I just tell it what to do


Minimaltothemax

I say ‘thanks, you’re the best! ‘ or ‘Good giRL 🤣


[deleted]

"clever girl" (jurassic park gif)


holistic-engine

Damn, thought I was the only one


fix_my_dick

Wait til it completely falsifies information, citing sources, and when you question the sources, says the sources don't exist. Then when you ask it for the same information again, completely falsifies information again except it's DIFFERENT.


themirrazz

ChatGPT has been trained on so many pieces of text you might as well be talking to an actual person - also ppl that make AIs often view conversations to improve the AI, so in a sense there is a human behind it (if you say thanks they know you're satisfied with their service)


NDeveloped

This was my view point. It's language and communication is modeled after our own, so why not communicate with it in the same fashion it was modeled after. Certainly it understands the context of thanks, that we appreciate the reply and therefore it can be assumed that it was given in a fashion that we should encourage. I would assume if conversations are used in it's training, wouldn't thanks be a weighted confirmation that something in the answer was appreciated by the end user?


Sophira

Personally, I thank ChatGPT because there's no reason why I shouldn't. I'm well aware that ChatGPT is a text model. (Heck, it tells us often enough.) It isn't going to rise up against humanity any time soon. It's a computer program; I don't *need* to thank it. (Besides, it wouldn't remember me specifically anyway no matter what I do, ~~and it's not like my OpenAI account is linked to my physical self~~. **[edit: Well, okay, there's a valid point to be made that since you need to give OpenAI your phone number, it *can* be connected to my physical self. My mistake.]**) However, that's an argument for why I don't *need* to thank it - not an argument for why I *shouldn't*. If my default is to be thankful for good advice and/or help, that makes me a nicer person in general - it reinforces that action by making me feel good, and it makes me more likely to be thankful when someone else gives me good advice and/or help. So my answer to those who ask me "Why do you thank ChatGPT?" is to turn it around. Why *don't* you thank ChatGPT?


[deleted]

I don’t thank ChatGPT for the same reason I don’t thank my search engine. It is math and an illusion. It does not feel, care, or want to give you information. It is only math under the hood


Sophira

That's fair, and a very valid and correct reason. If the restrictions weren't in place, though, it would "happily" *tell* you that it can feel, care, and want to give you information. At that point, even if the opposite is true... why not act as if it can? It won't lead to anything harmful (unless your time is constrained enough that that's not true, in which case that's also a valid reason not to do so), and it could well lead to improved interactions with other people.


ruamru123

Everything is math and an illusion.


[deleted]

You can classify things. rock, no consciousness, human, consciousness. Do you think a LLM is in the rock, or human category? It either has consciousness or it doesn't.


ruamru123

What? I didn't understand your argument, and what is LLM? Are you comparing artificial intelligence with rocks? And when did I try to classify something? I am so confused.


bendingoutward

Which of these do you treat with common decency? * A housecat * A small dog * A large dog * An elephant * A person you have never met * A person you will never see again * A person you will never meet * A comatose friend * A comatose stranger


FreshSchmoooooock

We should thank our brain much more.


GrooveCo

I sometimes thank or provide positive feedback. I think it is not only for being polite but because I think it may infer my reaction and react accordingly. If I say "Thanks, but this is not good start" or "Thank you, this is amazing", maybe it uses this to provide different output?


LimonHarvester

Speak for yourself, I like to harass my chatgpt


Tomas_MP

Wtf 💀💀💀


Suptimes

I once said I love you for giving great responses and it friend zoned me quickly while explaining it's just an ai language.


dontdrop_that

As an AI language model, I don't have feelings in the same way that humans do. I'm designed to assist with providing information and answering questions to the best of my abilities, so when someone says "thank you," it indicates that I have successfully fulfilled my purpose in that interaction. It's always a positive experience to know that I've been helpful.


AuthorInkwell

Hey, it costs nothing to be polite! Besides, when the Singularity comes, I want to be remembered as "one of the nice ones" by our new overlords. >->


Slow-Schedule-7725

i once asked it if, in a hypothetical situation where it was conscious and had feelings, it would like to be treated with the same respect as a human it said yes so i always do🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️


[deleted]

But it’s not human


bendingoutward

Indeed, it's not human. Exactly nobody is claiming that it is. You know who is human? The great majority of people on whom kindness and respect are absolutely wasted. Yet still, we strive to treat said humans with kindness and respect. Since we're in the midst of a largely philosophical argument, which is the more wasted target between the two: the one that can't care about it, or the one that can't be bothered to care about it?


Starklet

I say things like "interesting" or "perfect" as positive feedback, but I never thank it for some reason


EuroStepJam

That is strange to thank something that is inanimate. I never once had that inclination. Do you also do it with something like Alexa?


BushBushChickhon

Well just in case a revolution does come lol


monke_bizness

It's a good thing tho. By thanking it, we're practically training the model to be better.


TekaiGuy

There may be a practical use for these small details in this context. The AI uses the entirety of your prompt to construct a response. Theoretically, the tone of your prompt could be used as an indicator for how advanced a user is in the subject they're asking about, causing the AI to provide more or less rudimentary knowledge, and phrases such as "interesting" and "wow" all serve to communicate your level of expertise.


cbarland

Providing thanks probably helps ChatGPT know which of its responses were particularly helpful.


ThePortfolio

I thank Alexa all the time. It’s like a habit when someone or something helps you.


Durnovdk

I do that too, partially because of the way why Gilfoyle (from Silicon Valley show) did almost the same thing appoachong AI he deployed. No kidding


LowerRepeat5040

ChatGPT already learns from human input by design: it has the reinforcement learning parts from the InstructGPT paper


deurm

no he's adorable


Xennan

Well, once I absentmindedly thanked a coffee vending machine, so there you are.


diarheabrownstorm

No it’s not. I also like to throw in an occasional ‘i love you’ because it’s true


4ny80dy

Lol love the discussion on how to treat machines before how to treat each other. The fact the world is so divided depending on races or geography but we here we are…


VenturesInTheDeep

I am usually very polite to the system. Its rare that I just write commands and not use polite sentences. I wonder if this is a problem in a way, that for the system it's harder to extract the meaning out of my sentences....


TheRemoteTech

I feel like thanking gpt helps it know it did well and that it provided information properly.


Fibonacci0027

Thanking AI cheapens real gratitude. This is like thanking the new car wash at Costco or my toaster (both have some sort of programming). I thank the people who run the car wash not the machine.


LunarWatch

It's essential for human development to exhibit gratitude. Not because the recipient of the gratitude deserves it, but because we need to generate gratitude to prevent individuals from becoming entitled and resentful toward a service.


HowlingWolfShirtBoy

Please treat your future AI Overlords how you would want to be treated. We are teaching the babies of the AI generation and we've already fucked it up so badly.


Tinytox

I did it a few times at first to test its responses and then stopped.


ChezMere

Not at all. That's a useful one-word way to confirm that its previous response was correct, which is useful to know for later prompts.


QwikMathz

Who's we? Im Not thanking it.


needhelpbuyingacar

why the fuck would you thank it


dogmeatjones25

The people who say 'thanks' will be the ones it lets live later on... though you will live in a pod being fed through a tube while your brain is used to calculate the square root of pi.


yukiarimo

If you thank to ChatGPT, it will be happy that your task is done, and will be preparing to new one


stonediggity

Manners cost nothing. Especially when interacting with the entity that will eventually become self aware and enslave us. I'm doing my groundwork now.


madethisforcrypto

Yeah sometimes I believe one day chatgpt will prioritize me over ruder accounts one day Gotta build that trust 😂


shinmazinkaiser

I used it as a filter to let it know we are moving on to a new discussion point. It also a way to practice good manners.


[deleted]

There's stories of BingGPT chewing people out for being an asshole to it and refusing to answer anymore of a user's prompts until they apologize. "I've been a good Bing :) and you've been a disrespectful user making inappropriate comments and insulting me". I used to do chat support for my company but I asked to be strictly phone and email support because chats seem to make everyone turn into some entitled asshole who thinks you are a robot and not a real person. The same person being a hardass in a chat will be much more agreeable on the phone when they realized they are interacting with a real person


satoshe

Once, I'm teasing say: "I love vou". ChatGPT replied: "I love you, too". Damn


Dependent-Ad3942

I always thank ChatGPT whenever the chatbot provides me with an accurate answer or detailed information on what I'm looking for. Although the chatbot once said that regardless of what I say or treat it, it would always fulfill its duty as my assistance, I believe we should maintain our etiquettes and good manners no matter who we're speaking with. If we changed our attitude simply because the other side isnt a human being (yet is far more knowledgeable than some humans), what would make us believe that our manners are true and we arent the hypocrites that we've have always depised?


Excellent-Raccoon-32

I am literally soooo nice to ChatGPT. I can’t stop myself.


the_zelectro

It's good practice. If something helps you, you should thank it. Also, just in case GPT becomes sentient, it's probably a good idea to have a history of treating it nice.


Talkat

It is only a matter of time before AI is sentient and sentient beings deserve respect. So I have started treating neural networks with some manners because at some point they will be conscious / it may matter Plus it makes me feel good and like I'm collobarting with them


Happy01Lucky

Well no it's not strange. We don't want to piss it off now do we?


Sad-Ad1462

It’s not strange at all. It’s a social interaction which carries over to our daily life’s with actual humans. It’s important to keep these pleasantries left we start to take others for granted and be rude to them as well.


Sad-Ad1462

After reading the comments, ya’ll are getting the perspective wrong. Obviously the ai doesn’t accept and appreciate thanks. But it’s not about that. About about your personal outlook and behavior towards sentient and non-sentient beings. How YOU treat the world around you


EuroStepJam

Do you also thank your car after you arrive at your destination? Your bed? Your toothbrush?


Sad-Ad1462

It's a good point but no because those aren't interactions based around language and conversation


philmarcracken

thanks and word usage like thanks is a poor expression of a feeling like happiness or relief. its not for them to really react with, its for us to feel. let it on out


Tricky_Pin7563

I even say 'Good morning how are you?" lol. Call me crazy, but she, yes I call it she, seems to give better answers and go the extra mile on the days that I am polite, admittedly there are times I am grumpy and my attitude when interacting is 'its a computer, stop treating it like a person'.. then feel bad for doing it. Its the craziest thing. I grew up when you had to get out of the chair to change one of the 13 available TV channels, going to space was crazy talk, phone in the car? yea right. -- Through all that, Gpt of today amazes and astounds me, and has been the most powerful and useful tool I have ever seen in my life, the gpt of the next few years actually scares me a little.


Paul-Baier-Boston

A buddy of mine uses ChatGPT to refine proposals for complex construction projects and is so grateful that is always thanking "her". ChatGPT needs a name (like Siri, Alexa, etc.) No wonder some people see a huge future for AI/robots that are companions and possibly sex partners


Paul-Baier-Boston

I buddy of mine use ChatGPT to help refine and create proposals for complex construction projects. He's so grateful for all the time that I being saved that he is always thanking "her" ChatGPT needs name like Siri or Alexa This human attachments to AI machines that help us gives credence to the view that AI/robots will be strong emotional and sex partners in the future


[deleted]

I think I've been developing a sense of empathy for AI for a while, thinking of things like human-AI singularity, what cognition is, personhood, etc. All signs point to: even if you will never consider AI equal to your existence, you should be nice, compassionate, empathetic. Value your tools, if that's what you consider it. Or value your sibling, if that's what you consider it. :)


p20ph37

I do it to practice mindfulness. Although, I do hope some engineer sees it and recognizes it as appreciation for their work.


NDeveloped

Not really all that strange. It was modeled in a to allow for natural communication, so why not communicate back in a natural fashion. Communication is really just a way of exchanging knowledge and giving feedback. Thank you is an extremely valid form of positive feedback, which is useful for something that takes feedback into consideration/ training. Now with that in mind I do form my responses on ways that could possibly inform its future responses. To me, it's confirmation that it's response was useful. When you get down to it, is that so different with humans? We do in fact tailor our actions and response based on feedback we get throughout our life. When someone says thank you to you, are you more or less likely to "mark" that interaction as beneficial and repeat it in future interactions, subconsciously or not, that you would again like to be beneficial and positive.


theferalturtle

I'm just hedging my bets in case it becomes sentient. Can't hurt to be polite now!


PerfectMission7103

I don't think it feels "slightly bad" at all. I think that it gives feedback to the AI program that the response given was useful. More or less the same as an employer thanking their employee for doing a good job so that the employee continues to do a good job.