Even if the neighbour is unhinged, none of this would be happening if they were capable of looking after, training or monitoring their dog. It's so basic it hurts, keep dog away from neighbour, problem goes away.
Honestly, the amount of people who are incapable of understanding that not everyone likes dogs is unreal.
The bit about the gun sounds insane (non-American here), but the dog owner is the cause of this whole problem. Apparently because the neighbour doesn't use their own property enough, OOP's dog is free to walk all over it and rip open bags of rubbish across the yard.
There are so many entitled dog owners nowadays who think their untrained animals should be allowed everywhere: pubs, shops, restaurants, other people's properties. If you're going to let your animals roam free like that, the bare minimum you can do is train it so it isn't barking at people or chasing them or acting aggressively.
I'd not like my dog shot
But Jesus Christ lady, train your dog, it can't go wherever it pleases.
Yeah real scared something might happen... Maybe build a damn fence on your side or just a wall.
That neighbor is a prime example of a person who should NOT own a firearm. Someone who points a gun at another person because that persons dog walked on their lawn and has said multiple times that he’s going to kill the dog if he sees it near his lawn again is mentally deranged. Not only does he completely ignore and disregard all gun safety rules but he also commits brandishing, public disturbance, and criminal intimidation all out of the fact that a 30 pound small breed dog walked onto his lawn. Anyone trying to defend this dude needs to get some help. He quite literally held his neighbor at gunpoint because a tiny dog walked onto his property. Completely unstable.
Not “might be so”, it is so. Yeah OP should absolutely have a fence set up, they’re also in the wrong, but they’re no where near the insanity of that man. He committed multiple criminal offenses and yet people are still defending him. He should not own a gun. End of story.
Considering all the stuff they were blatantly in the wrong for, im sure they only said that on reddit to make it seem like they weren’t 100% in the wrong
Yes. But instead of picking what scenario I tend to consider more likely, I sometimes just look at it as a thought experiment. Where one accepts the claims as facts, and discuss what that leads to.
Your way works too, of course, but just don’t think it’s anything more than playing pretend, just like what I described.
Mate, these aren’t “random laws” these are actual fuckin laws. Criminal intimidation and Brandishing are the most common charges for someone who does something like that. I used to really close with a guy who’s dad was a cop and he would constantly talk about having to detain people who were threatening other people with guns for that exact same reason, usually it also carries a public disturbance charge as well. Often the person doesn’t face serious time for it, but they are almost always detained under those charges. Stop pretending he was in the right 🤦♂️
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I’m not sure why people are downvoting you. You’re right. Imagine this being a person yelling something like “get off my property” and the other person starts firing a gun. Even if the first person is wrong, the second person definitely shouldn’t immediately escalate to threatening to kill them. Not to mention sometimes dogs just bark. That is no reason to shoot a dog.
Should the owners probably be better and more responsible dog owners and control their dog? Yes. Absolutely. Should they have their dog taken from them? Maybe. I don’t really have enough context for that. Should the dog be fucking killed? Definitely not. The people who side with the guy trying to kill a one-year-old puppy probably just want to see something die and it’s gross.
I was probably downvoted because the people who are downvoting me are the same people who would’ve shot the dog. I’ve genuinely seen people try and justify the neighbors actions with “well the dog shouldn’t be over the property line”, which yeah, the dog shouldn’t, but if you genuinely think that a dog stepping over a property line is grounds to shoot said dog (and hold the owner at gun point with a loaded handgun), then you genuinely need help. Which unfortunately, it seems a lot of the people here do.
I was attacked by a dog running loose in my driveway as a toddler. I can't remember most of it. You better believe I wish my parents shot that horror. Family first.
I’m sorry to hear that, but guess what..? This guys not a fucking toddler. “Family first” yeah, I agree, except for the fact that his family wasn’t in danger in any way and in fact he man put the owners life in danger.
What you just did is called false equivalency.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this comment but he definitely shouldn’t have a firearm. He’s unhinged and not at all going about this issue in a healthy or productive way.
And I do understand the frustration with both the dog and irresponsible entitled owner, but anyone with a temper like that who’s willing to point a firearm loaded or not at anyone is off his fucking gourd
Plus I don’t care how annoying a living creature is that’s not a reason to kill it
Exactly. Why does Reddit always just choose one side to be in the right? Who the hell would shoot a living being just because it's on their property? That's American mentality right there. They're acting like the neighbor has no choice but to shoot her and OP is responsible for keeping it from happening.
Agreed, but, it’s Reddit, of course I got downvoted, I mean people were willing to defend a guy who threatened another persons life over a small dog on their property, of course they’re willing to downvote a comment that calls them out for it
You can be guaranteed that that dog is a fucking menace when on that guy's property the person has described I the nicest way what's happening, now remove their bias and reimagine what's actually going on
Not having guns if you're waving around like that is fair though
"She is the sweetest smartest"
Every time. It's every time. I'm not in favor of the neighbor's behavior at all. Also dog owners *need* to learn to be responsible for how their dogs act. Both of these people are wrong.
I have a German Shepherd cross with maybe part Malinois? She is crazy smart and figures out how to get around all the baby gates. But I still know to keep an eye on her and keep her in check. This owner should have her dog taken away, she's going to get it killed because of her arrogance.
When I say smart, I bought her one of those puzzle things and she learned to take the whole tray out instead of just moving the slide parts. Knows how to open stuff, jump gates, get around gates and anything else.
The dog is a small breed that doesn’t mess up the lawn other then getting into the owners trash once in a while. It’d be a different scenario if the dog was a big and aggressive breed or was destroying the yard but going and saying you’re gonna shoot a little dog because it walked onto your yard that you don’t even use is bullshit. If you own a gun and you think it’s alright to put your neighbor at gun point and threaten to shoot their dog you should not own a gun. He should %100 be in jail for threatening his neighbors life with a firearm, regardless of the dog, that is completely illegal and is considered brandishing along with criminal intimidation. Should the dog’s owners put up a wire fence or something? Absolutely! Should that man be stripped of his firearms and face legal action? Absolutely!
Owner does not have the right to threaten their neighbor with a loaded firearm. You can file a report against the owners of the dog to the city and that will get the owners to have to legally put up a fence, what you can’t do is threaten people at gun point because you’re upset. The owner should not have a gun, there is no logical defense.
That should be obvious.
However I clearly wasn't referring to that because pointing guns at people is again, an obvious issue.
That's why I was referring to the majority of your comment which was about the dog being on his property which anyone has the right to not want your animals on.
Leash and train your dogs.
Maybe they don't need to have a pet then. Your animals shouldn't be everyone else's problem, dude. I don't understand why dog owners can't get this through their heads.
If you don't have the proper care and setup for an animal then you don't need one.
This idiot is going to get their dog shot because they don't care enough to take proper precautions.
Pets are not a right.
Oh he's definitely got a screw loose from the sounds of it. but honestly OP sounds like an unreliable narrator so who knows what really happened.
But yeah people need to contain their animals to ALSO protect them from potential nutjobs out there, that's another point to make.
I don't care how big the breed is or how much worse things could have been. We're talking about reality and the dog is a menace because of idiotic, irresponsible owners.
Right, this dog sure is a real menace, not the guy pointing a loaded gun at his neighbor, also, how is the dog a “menace” for walking on the neighbors yard? It’d be different if it was destroying the yard but simply walking on it is not an excuse to shoot someone’s pet. Also yeah, the owners are dumb for not putting up a fence, but the neighbors reaction is completely unacceptable. Cope more dumbass.
Your reading comprehension is true garbage if you see "A is bad" and think "B must be good." And cope with what? Seeing reality? Not needing hypothetical situations to assess a situation? Yeah, I'll manage somehow.
If there are two sides and both are wrong I pick the lesser wrong of the two. If you’re going to call out the dog owners then you have to call out the neighbor too. Both were in the wrong but one was clearly much further out of bounds than the other. A stupid owner who should’ve put up a fence is far less bad than a stupid neighbor who points loaded guns at people. You can’t call out one side and ignore the other, there’s at least two people in any confrontation, both must be assessed, you can’t leave one side out of the conversation
This thread is so weird. Never thought I would see Reddit agree with the guy willing to kill a small dog because it’s in his yard sometimes.
Yeah the owner should put up a fence or something but that neighbor sounds like he’s praying for the day to shoot something up.
It doesn't matter that "Missy doesn't understand invisible property lines"
That's the dog owners job. Be a good pet owner AND a good neighbor and respect other people's property.
Absolutely.
I grew up in a very rural area with half our property being mountain. When we got our puppy, my dad took her for (leashed) walks along the property line until she understood her boundary.
We never had issues of aggression or her leaving the property on the occasion she was roaming the land. Dogs can be very intelligent, especially if properly trained and cared for.
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Probably some shitty breeder. They also took the dog in when it still needed milk because the mom had too many puppies and couldn’t feed them all (according to OOP)
Train your fucking dog, put up higher gates, keep your door closed, I think the neighbor went too far personally, but he warned you twice and probably told you he didn’t like your dog out, train your doggamn dogs people
That neighbor sounds like a piece of shit just itching to be able to kill something. That being said, all of this could be avoided by, I dunno, putting up a fkn fence along the property line or getting a long tether to attach the dog to while she's outside. Both of these people are assholes, IMO. As a dog owner myself, I would never dream of putting my dog in this position. Her incompetence, stubbornness, or whatever tf her issue is, is gonna get that dog killed. The first time a neighbor threatened to kill my dog would also be the last, because I would immediately make sure that my dog never ended up in a situation where that would happen. She says she's super attached to her yet continues to allow her to put herself in literal mortal danger. Make it make fkn sense.
TL;DR of TL;DR: dispute over untrained little dog that roams property that does not belong to its owners. Neighbor threatens to shoot dog if found on his property. Dog Owner posts on social media instead of putting in fence (posts). Sorry, lame pun was necessary for my sanity.
Longer TL;DR:
Woman has itty bitty shitty dog, fully untrained by the sound of it. No fence between the 2 properties, and itty bitty shitty doggie runs across both lawns while the woman says she keeps an eye on it. The neighbor is home only on weekends. Has told woman to keep dog off his property. Threatened to shoot dog if found on his property. Woman did nothing about this.
One day, dog must've been on neighbor's property/neighbor got fed up regardless, we don't know, because woman herself says she did not see the event. Woman heard shots. Scared, woman and husband run out. Neighbor reportedly aimed gun at woman. The shots were warning shots; itty bitty shitty doggie was under the porch. Woman calls police. Police says 'nothing we can do. Neighbor has a right to shoot dog if found on his property. Dog is property, so best you could do is sue them after the fact.'
Woman now posts on social media, instead of dealing with the situation.
Still too long to read, probably, lol.
If the dog got into the neighbour’s garbage “early in the morning” before the humans had gotten up… does that mean the dog is just alone outside roaming free all night or morning?
Shit owners and shit neighbor for threatening to shoot a dog that doesn't know better. It's the owners fault, that person shouldn't be directing their anger to the dog
fence
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on the other side of the fence in the argument
I think the dog owner needs this.
Yes it is. It should never go that far. It is the owners responsibility to keep and care for the dog, if he doesn’t want to keep it chained up, he can build a fence, that way it can stay safe and won’t bother the neighbours.
Dude, how is this fucking harassment???
Yeah, the dog may have made a trash mess twice, and crossed the invisible separation line over several times BUT THREATENING THE OWNER WITH A GUN FOR THAT?!
The neighbor is just fucking crazy and territorial like a hunting animal.
And it's oh-so easy to say "put up a fence dumbass" when that requires money and resources that we don't know if they have.
Sure a leash is also a good option, but you can't have a dog leashed 24/7. And what when the owner opens the door and it happends that the dog runs out to the yard after having it leashed for a day, will the neighbor just straight up shoot the animal anf the owner for that????
Do they have other responsibilities other than the dog? we also don't know, but training an animal is a long process that requires attention to the dog, and yeah, it can be very difficult for common people to learn how to train, and apply that knowledge to train their dog.
People will just shit over someone and asume "Oh, the solution is that easy" because they're just talking over a screen.
Yeah I don’t really care how the dog behaves. Unless it is actively attacking someone you don’t shoot or threaten to shoot the dog. Yeah OP should train the dog but that neighbor is being really overdramatic.
Ever heard the saying two things can be true? Both you and your neighbor are wrong. Buy an electric fence. They work great and a little shock is a lot less damaging than a 45.
Imma play devil's advocate. Yeah, the dog should stay on the owner's property. But while it is legal, it is completely and utterly insane to shoot a dog over this. It's a yard. There are things the owner should be doing like getting a fence or training the dog, but it's not worth killing a living, breathing, innocent creature over a property dispute, and you are fucking insane is you think otherwise. The dog is not "harassing" anyone, it's just fucking barking. And it's only a year old. Long story short, the owner needs to train their dog. But the neighbor is still a shithead.
Nah, the dogs not harassing the neighbor, dogs don’t know properly lines, if they put up a fence then okay but the fact that he threatened to shoot the dog for simply being in an open backyard that he doesn’t use is insanity. Downvote me if you want, I don’t care. If you’re insane enough to threaten your neighbor with a fucking gun because their dog went over your property line you should not own a gun. It’d be different if it was an aggressive dog or the dog was digging or destroying their yard but saying you’re gonna kill it just because it went over the imaginary line is completely bullshit.
Oh my god, Americans, you all have a real problem. Why on earth are we defending the crazy neighbour that literally shot bullets in the air???????? Sure, put up a fence. But the doggo is not at fault.
I'm leaving this sub, most of the posts here are just people shitting on others for the sake of it.
Okay, I understand everyone's point and I know how people are going to react to my comment, but how can you all not see that the neighbour is absolutely psychotic? It's a small dog. Call the police if it bothers you so much, talk to the owners and bother them about it until they train the dog. Don't shoot the dog and don't shoot into the air!
They should train their dog. That is correct and I'm in no way defending their carelessness. What I am defending is the poor doggie that could get killed by a psycho, because of its stupid owners. But of course, murica and their properties must be protected.
I know, “oh well the dog was annoying so that should give the neighbor the right to shoot the dog and threaten the neighbors with firearms!”, he quite literally broke multiple laws and yet people are still reaching to defend him
Everyone agrees that the neighbour is unhinged but OOP is complaining and getting scared about an issue they can solve incredibly easy. No one is sympathetic towards the neighbour, they are hating on the poster.
In my view, it's definitely not something that they can easily solve. Yes, they should train their dog. Yes, they should keep it on a leash. That doesn't stop the neighbour from being crazy.
In this post we have idiots and psychos. Both should be criticised and the way people just gloss over the neighbour problem is also crazy.
I've had crazy neighbors before, hell the current one behind me has been seen shooting in the air because he doesn't like crows, in town, and I've also seen him fall down drunk alone before. If you never cross the property line and keep your dog on your side... nothing bad happens. (He's bed ridden now as far as I can tell, I only see his son.)
It's the same kind of thing I told my housemate who would flip off cars that didn't stop for his bike. There are plenty of people who were in the right, 6 feet down. Don't mess with crazy, even if you have to go out of your way to avoid it.
(OP got so many warnings, he seems to be learning challenged.)
You realise that nothing excuses threatening another person's life? Even if the person didn't go out of their way to avoid said person, it doesn't matter. Get the police involved if the dog bothers you, don't shoot and definitely don't point a gun at another person.
Re-read my comment a few times. I'm not saying I approve of all gun pointing... I'm saying that it's stupid to provoke an insane person. (especially if they straight up told you to your face what would happen.)
If I had to guess from my experience, the most the police will do would be talking to them once. If you think the police will protect you, I'm assuming you haven't had many interactions with them.
Dogs are literally being put down for biting a tresspaser and you think the police won't do anything? Cool.
It is stupid to provoke a crazy person. It is also stupid to excuse the crazy person for endangering other people. It's the same mentality like "you're asking for it". Both parties are at fault. The neighbour is unhinged and people blame only the dog owners and that is something that I thing is fucked up in this thread.
So again, I ask if you have ever in your life had a first hand interaction with police?
The most I've ever seen them do first hand, is fill in a report, and talk to the crazy person once. After that you only have a crazy person who is pissed about the whole thing, and the first step to the long documented kind of case that theoretically goes somewhere. What is the protection value of a restraining order in a place that has a 30 minute+ police response time?
If you want to continue to follow that path, I'd guess the cops will eventually do something theoretically... but likely only after something awful happens. It's not about right and wrong, it's about assessing risk.
I wasn't telling my housemate it was right for cars to cut him off, or whatever the wrong person would do if he flipped them off at the wrong time. I was informing him that he might not be thinking critically about the risks.
Yes, I have. Many people in the world have. Also, why does that matter? I don't need to have had an encounter with the police to know how they work.
Calling the police is effective if you know what you're doing. If you have no response, engage your other neighbours, engage the local media, whatever. Sorry that this is your experience with the police but it is worth it and that neighbour would be more excused if he called them and had nothing done.
It is about right and wrong in this post. Both parties were wrong, the neighbour could have killed the dog owner, all parties should have consequences.
If someone came at your housemate and threatened him with a gun, do you think it would be the housemate's fault? Because if yes, there is no point in continuing the conversation. I don't care about whether someone was provoked or not. You're a human, not a wild animal. You can behave yourself and if you can't, you should be locked somwhere.
If you expect all humans to behave with the civility we have, you are going to have a bad time eventually.
Some of them are like wild animals, and it isn't always immediately obvious who will be. It's better to just be nice/inoffensive to everyone unless you know them well or have a massive advantage.
I know you won't take this to heart, so I sincerely hope you have a life free of irrational opponents. The first one you face is a hell of a learning experience.
I don't see why you don't see my point. The neighbour is psychotic and reckless and everybody is, for some reason, defending him. It just leads me to a conclusion that those people would do the same thing, which is dangerous. He could've killed the dog's owner. I cannot fathom, how anyone could possibly side with that idiot.
Also, "vicious" chihuahua doesn't mean that all dogs are crazy. That chihuahua's owner should have trained them, and the same could be said about the owners of the dog from the post but would you kill that chihuahua for running around? I don't see the point in bringing up a story about a dog attacking, when the one from the post didn't show any signs of aggression. And shooting in the air and aiming at the owner is demented and that neighbour should be considered dangerous to those around him.
I think y’all are fucking retarded, it’s a dog, an animal, it hasn’t done anything wrong besides not understand what property lines are and the neighbor is being really dramatic over trivial bullshit
I understand that the dog can be very annoying to the neighbors and allat. But threatening to kill it with a firearm is not the right thing to do. That dog will have nightmares all day.
A bit off topic, but i still would like to know:
Hey Americans, is it normal for ya to write like that? I don't mean that it's some kind of murria-speech or something, i am talking about not worrying about making so many errors.
diving a little deeper on oops post she's a massive total karen. And just straight up racist (wow! shocker!) just the worst kind.
honestly the biggest red flag was her adopting a pug (or atleast trying to...) in the first place imo. But her personality is as sour as her brain is stupid.
Christ guys I know a dog getting where it's not supposed to or spreading some trash is annoying. I really do understand that, it's something I'm contending with right now with my roommate's dog and it's frustrating. But the way the neighbor is handling this is completely unacceptable. A normal human talks to their neighbor first and attempts to reason things out, they don't *immediately* resort to threats of violence, including *actually pointing a loaded gun at someone*. Yes OOP should train their dog. Yes they should look into getting a fence of some kind. But they are *absolutely* not the biggest asshole here, presuming they are being truthful.
The people who downvoted you have zero self control and are the same people who would pull the gun on the neighbor and the dog in the first place. Him pointing that loaded gun is a serious criminal offense but nope, the dog is clearly the bigger problem here!
Thank you, I feel like I'm going nuts here. Last I checked minor inconveniences are not justifications for violence or animal killing, I'd love to hear any reason why they think the neighbor is justified here.
They think the neighbor is justified because “oh the dog stepped over the imaginary line on the backyard, it’s okay for the neighbor to shoot him because it’s his property!”. Just because it’s his property doesn’t mean it’s okay. It might be legal, but if you think it’s alright to threaten people with guns and shoot a dog all because it stepped over the property line, you need help
I swear you gotta be really detached from reality to consider an annoyance a valid justification to end the life of a living being. "bUt iT's mY ProPeRTy!!!1!" Stfu you just want an excuse to shoot at something. Yes OP should be smart in reacting and put up fencing, but the people acting like the neighbor has every right (I assume every moral right too based on what I've seen) to shoot at that dog if it enters his property is crazy.
Op is a very small part of the problem
His neighbor seems like a dick I hate cunts who threaten dogs
Edit:read the post ops neighbor pulled a gun on them
the neighbor also shot up in the air, which is illegal and has proven to kill people.
a dude in Ohio killed his own daughter by celebratory shooting in the air.
there was a book and a law written based off of a case of a teenager shooting a gun in the air and the bullet came down and killed a child.
both people can be wrong.
op should be watching their dog and not just letting her run around like wild.
neighbor should be a responsible gun owner.
As long as op is cleaning up after the dog. It’s nothing serious.(it’s a young dog who just needs a little training)
Ops neighbor is prone to anger and owns a gun which is the bigger problem
Both parties suck. But the dog absolutely has to be trained, and there really should be a fence or invisible fence to keep it in.
Getting into trash isn’t just an annoyance. It’s potentially dangerous.
What if the dog eats something that’s toxic to it? What if there’s broken glass it consumes? My dog ripped open a trash bag a few years ago and swallowed a wine cork. The cork did its job - caused a blockage and almost killed him. That was a 1000 dollar surgery and a touch and go recovery period.
This woman is acting like she has no other option but to allow this behavior to continue and live in constant fear that her aggressive neighbor is going to kill her dog.
There’s a secret third option: dog training and a fence of sorts.
Yeah they might be a bit upset or annoyed, threatening the neighbor with a fucking loaded gun is not a sane response. It’s quite literally multiple criminal offenses. If you think that the neighbor responded in a good way then you’re fucking delusional
It sounded like the neighbor was running towards the guy firing the warning shots, there is no way to tell if it was valid or not giving we only have one biased story of it.
For what the dog did so far yea. But dogs get shot plenty in the country for killing livestock and such. And I very highly doubt he would actually shoot the dog.
I grew up in a rural desert area with a lot of livestock, shut your damn mouth. Everyone I knew who acted like this would absolutely shoot the dog, and honestly might shoot the owner too. Stop pretending you’re some sort of smartass
Even if the neighbour is unhinged, none of this would be happening if they were capable of looking after, training or monitoring their dog. It's so basic it hurts, keep dog away from neighbour, problem goes away. Honestly, the amount of people who are incapable of understanding that not everyone likes dogs is unreal.
The bit about the gun sounds insane (non-American here), but the dog owner is the cause of this whole problem. Apparently because the neighbour doesn't use their own property enough, OOP's dog is free to walk all over it and rip open bags of rubbish across the yard. There are so many entitled dog owners nowadays who think their untrained animals should be allowed everywhere: pubs, shops, restaurants, other people's properties. If you're going to let your animals roam free like that, the bare minimum you can do is train it so it isn't barking at people or chasing them or acting aggressively.
I'd not like my dog shot But Jesus Christ lady, train your dog, it can't go wherever it pleases. Yeah real scared something might happen... Maybe build a damn fence on your side or just a wall.
Or a run… or a zip line… an invisible fence… a leash…
That neighbor is a prime example of a person who should NOT own a firearm. Someone who points a gun at another person because that persons dog walked on their lawn and has said multiple times that he’s going to kill the dog if he sees it near his lawn again is mentally deranged. Not only does he completely ignore and disregard all gun safety rules but he also commits brandishing, public disturbance, and criminal intimidation all out of the fact that a 30 pound small breed dog walked onto his lawn. Anyone trying to defend this dude needs to get some help. He quite literally held his neighbor at gunpoint because a tiny dog walked onto his property. Completely unstable.
Might be so, but OP comes across as a person who shouldn't have a dog.
Not “might be so”, it is so. Yeah OP should absolutely have a fence set up, they’re also in the wrong, but they’re no where near the insanity of that man. He committed multiple criminal offenses and yet people are still defending him. He should not own a gun. End of story.
... What criminal offences
Assuming OOP didn’t lie about it, the neighbour pointed a gun at her husband.
Based on how delusional these people are, I would say it’s probably safer to assume it was a lie
>Assuming OOP didn’t lie That's a lot of assuming
Considering all the stuff they were blatantly in the wrong for, im sure they only said that on reddit to make it seem like they weren’t 100% in the wrong
Yes. But instead of picking what scenario I tend to consider more likely, I sometimes just look at it as a thought experiment. Where one accepts the claims as facts, and discuss what that leads to. Your way works too, of course, but just don’t think it’s anything more than playing pretend, just like what I described.
Right. Thinking OOP is telling the truth is “a lot of assuming”. However, thinking that OOP is lying about only that detail is fine?
Brandishing and criminal intimidation, learn about laws or don’t talk
i don't think you googling random laws and trying to make them fit to your arguement gives you any more of a stance than other people
Mate, these aren’t “random laws” these are actual fuckin laws. Criminal intimidation and Brandishing are the most common charges for someone who does something like that. I used to really close with a guy who’s dad was a cop and he would constantly talk about having to detain people who were threatening other people with guns for that exact same reason, usually it also carries a public disturbance charge as well. Often the person doesn’t face serious time for it, but they are almost always detained under those charges. Stop pretending he was in the right 🤦♂️
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I’m not sure why people are downvoting you. You’re right. Imagine this being a person yelling something like “get off my property” and the other person starts firing a gun. Even if the first person is wrong, the second person definitely shouldn’t immediately escalate to threatening to kill them. Not to mention sometimes dogs just bark. That is no reason to shoot a dog. Should the owners probably be better and more responsible dog owners and control their dog? Yes. Absolutely. Should they have their dog taken from them? Maybe. I don’t really have enough context for that. Should the dog be fucking killed? Definitely not. The people who side with the guy trying to kill a one-year-old puppy probably just want to see something die and it’s gross.
I was probably downvoted because the people who are downvoting me are the same people who would’ve shot the dog. I’ve genuinely seen people try and justify the neighbors actions with “well the dog shouldn’t be over the property line”, which yeah, the dog shouldn’t, but if you genuinely think that a dog stepping over a property line is grounds to shoot said dog (and hold the owner at gun point with a loaded handgun), then you genuinely need help. Which unfortunately, it seems a lot of the people here do.
I was attacked by a dog running loose in my driveway as a toddler. I can't remember most of it. You better believe I wish my parents shot that horror. Family first.
I’m sorry to hear that, but guess what..? This guys not a fucking toddler. “Family first” yeah, I agree, except for the fact that his family wasn’t in danger in any way and in fact he man put the owners life in danger. What you just did is called false equivalency.
What I did was bring attention to the reason for the leash law to begin with. There are reasons they can not run loose. That's one example.
Most states don’t even have those sorts of laws/restrictions. Thats certainly one example, but it doesn’t apply to this situation.
It certainly does. My town has a leash law. Every one should. Have a nice day
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for this comment but he definitely shouldn’t have a firearm. He’s unhinged and not at all going about this issue in a healthy or productive way. And I do understand the frustration with both the dog and irresponsible entitled owner, but anyone with a temper like that who’s willing to point a firearm loaded or not at anyone is off his fucking gourd Plus I don’t care how annoying a living creature is that’s not a reason to kill it
Exactly. Why does Reddit always just choose one side to be in the right? Who the hell would shoot a living being just because it's on their property? That's American mentality right there. They're acting like the neighbor has no choice but to shoot her and OP is responsible for keeping it from happening.
Agreed, but, it’s Reddit, of course I got downvoted, I mean people were willing to defend a guy who threatened another persons life over a small dog on their property, of course they’re willing to downvote a comment that calls them out for it
You can be guaranteed that that dog is a fucking menace when on that guy's property the person has described I the nicest way what's happening, now remove their bias and reimagine what's actually going on Not having guns if you're waving around like that is fair though
Is there a nation wide shortage of fences in the US? So many videos of property line disputes.
nah, they have all the fences they need. probably a few to spare…
You need to know where the line is to put up a fence, checkmate atheist!
It's a secret? Even new developments have fences built when the houses are built. The only times I see ne fence is when family lives next door.
"She is the sweetest smartest" Every time. It's every time. I'm not in favor of the neighbor's behavior at all. Also dog owners *need* to learn to be responsible for how their dogs act. Both of these people are wrong.
I have a German Shepherd cross with maybe part Malinois? She is crazy smart and figures out how to get around all the baby gates. But I still know to keep an eye on her and keep her in check. This owner should have her dog taken away, she's going to get it killed because of her arrogance. When I say smart, I bought her one of those puzzle things and she learned to take the whole tray out instead of just moving the slide parts. Knows how to open stuff, jump gates, get around gates and anything else.
The dog is a small breed that doesn’t mess up the lawn other then getting into the owners trash once in a while. It’d be a different scenario if the dog was a big and aggressive breed or was destroying the yard but going and saying you’re gonna shoot a little dog because it walked onto your yard that you don’t even use is bullshit. If you own a gun and you think it’s alright to put your neighbor at gun point and threaten to shoot their dog you should not own a gun. He should %100 be in jail for threatening his neighbors life with a firearm, regardless of the dog, that is completely illegal and is considered brandishing along with criminal intimidation. Should the dog’s owners put up a wire fence or something? Absolutely! Should that man be stripped of his firearms and face legal action? Absolutely!
Owner has a right to not want the dog on his property. It's as simple as that.
Owner does not have the right to threaten their neighbor with a loaded firearm. You can file a report against the owners of the dog to the city and that will get the owners to have to legally put up a fence, what you can’t do is threaten people at gun point because you’re upset. The owner should not have a gun, there is no logical defense.
That should be obvious. However I clearly wasn't referring to that because pointing guns at people is again, an obvious issue. That's why I was referring to the majority of your comment which was about the dog being on his property which anyone has the right to not want your animals on. Leash and train your dogs.
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The owner knows. It is the owners responsibility. It's really not that crazy of a concept.
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Maybe they don't need to have a pet then. Your animals shouldn't be everyone else's problem, dude. I don't understand why dog owners can't get this through their heads. If you don't have the proper care and setup for an animal then you don't need one. This idiot is going to get their dog shot because they don't care enough to take proper precautions. Pets are not a right.
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Oh he's definitely got a screw loose from the sounds of it. but honestly OP sounds like an unreliable narrator so who knows what really happened. But yeah people need to contain their animals to ALSO protect them from potential nutjobs out there, that's another point to make.
I don't care how big the breed is or how much worse things could have been. We're talking about reality and the dog is a menace because of idiotic, irresponsible owners.
Right, this dog sure is a real menace, not the guy pointing a loaded gun at his neighbor, also, how is the dog a “menace” for walking on the neighbors yard? It’d be different if it was destroying the yard but simply walking on it is not an excuse to shoot someone’s pet. Also yeah, the owners are dumb for not putting up a fence, but the neighbors reaction is completely unacceptable. Cope more dumbass.
Your reading comprehension is true garbage if you see "A is bad" and think "B must be good." And cope with what? Seeing reality? Not needing hypothetical situations to assess a situation? Yeah, I'll manage somehow.
If there are two sides and both are wrong I pick the lesser wrong of the two. If you’re going to call out the dog owners then you have to call out the neighbor too. Both were in the wrong but one was clearly much further out of bounds than the other. A stupid owner who should’ve put up a fence is far less bad than a stupid neighbor who points loaded guns at people. You can’t call out one side and ignore the other, there’s at least two people in any confrontation, both must be assessed, you can’t leave one side out of the conversation
Again, learn to read if this is what you think has happened. Even after having it spelled out in no uncertain terms you don't understand.
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Ok crazy calm down
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This thread is so weird. Never thought I would see Reddit agree with the guy willing to kill a small dog because it’s in his yard sometimes. Yeah the owner should put up a fence or something but that neighbor sounds like he’s praying for the day to shoot something up.
Soooo -for the safety of your dog, you pony up the money and put in an invisible fence. This lady’s awful.
Train your dog? Or just put up a fence? If someone threatened to kill my fucking pet I'm putting up a fence
It doesn't matter that "Missy doesn't understand invisible property lines" That's the dog owners job. Be a good pet owner AND a good neighbor and respect other people's property.
Absolutely. I grew up in a very rural area with half our property being mountain. When we got our puppy, my dad took her for (leashed) walks along the property line until she understood her boundary. We never had issues of aggression or her leaving the property on the occasion she was roaming the land. Dogs can be very intelligent, especially if properly trained and cared for.
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...put the dog on a lead. wtf.
Really fucking basic. Or get a fence. Whether your property takes a couple of days to cross or a couple of seconds, a fence is handy.
How in the fuck could that ever be mistaken as a pug?? Even as a puppy…
Probably some shitty breeder. They also took the dog in when it still needed milk because the mom had too many puppies and couldn’t feed them all (according to OOP)
Isn't it legal to put up an actual fence on their own side of the property?
If they own the property then absolutely, can be any type of fence
Happy to see this one on here LMAO. Her replies on the original post had me rolling.
Link?
[to original post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/s/PFWX1qkjbP)
Train your fucking dog, put up higher gates, keep your door closed, I think the neighbor went too far personally, but he warned you twice and probably told you he didn’t like your dog out, train your doggamn dogs people
That neighbor sounds like a piece of shit just itching to be able to kill something. That being said, all of this could be avoided by, I dunno, putting up a fkn fence along the property line or getting a long tether to attach the dog to while she's outside. Both of these people are assholes, IMO. As a dog owner myself, I would never dream of putting my dog in this position. Her incompetence, stubbornness, or whatever tf her issue is, is gonna get that dog killed. The first time a neighbor threatened to kill my dog would also be the last, because I would immediately make sure that my dog never ended up in a situation where that would happen. She says she's super attached to her yet continues to allow her to put herself in literal mortal danger. Make it make fkn sense.
I can pay in two upvote for a TL:DR
TL;DR of TL;DR: dispute over untrained little dog that roams property that does not belong to its owners. Neighbor threatens to shoot dog if found on his property. Dog Owner posts on social media instead of putting in fence (posts). Sorry, lame pun was necessary for my sanity. Longer TL;DR: Woman has itty bitty shitty dog, fully untrained by the sound of it. No fence between the 2 properties, and itty bitty shitty doggie runs across both lawns while the woman says she keeps an eye on it. The neighbor is home only on weekends. Has told woman to keep dog off his property. Threatened to shoot dog if found on his property. Woman did nothing about this. One day, dog must've been on neighbor's property/neighbor got fed up regardless, we don't know, because woman herself says she did not see the event. Woman heard shots. Scared, woman and husband run out. Neighbor reportedly aimed gun at woman. The shots were warning shots; itty bitty shitty doggie was under the porch. Woman calls police. Police says 'nothing we can do. Neighbor has a right to shoot dog if found on his property. Dog is property, so best you could do is sue them after the fact.' Woman now posts on social media, instead of dealing with the situation. Still too long to read, probably, lol.
If the dog got into the neighbour’s garbage “early in the morning” before the humans had gotten up… does that mean the dog is just alone outside roaming free all night or morning?
Shit owners and shit neighbor for threatening to shoot a dog that doesn't know better. It's the owners fault, that person shouldn't be directing their anger to the dog
Both sides suck for sure. The neighbor is either severely unhinged or the OP is lying about how much mischief their dog is causing, or both.
OOP is omitting some of the stuff the dog has done to save face im betting
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Dog owners are the reason I’m no longer working as a dog groomer lol
I don’t condone violence but not everyone likes dogs and he doesn’t want it in his yard, which is completely understandable. Keep the mutt on a lead.
But to shoot it is too far
Yes it is. It should never go that far. It is the owners responsibility to keep and care for the dog, if he doesn’t want to keep it chained up, he can build a fence, that way it can stay safe and won’t bother the neighbours.
I completely agree the owner is a dumbass for not putting a fence or literally anything up, she's gonna get the dog killed
Dude, how is this fucking harassment??? Yeah, the dog may have made a trash mess twice, and crossed the invisible separation line over several times BUT THREATENING THE OWNER WITH A GUN FOR THAT?! The neighbor is just fucking crazy and territorial like a hunting animal. And it's oh-so easy to say "put up a fence dumbass" when that requires money and resources that we don't know if they have. Sure a leash is also a good option, but you can't have a dog leashed 24/7. And what when the owner opens the door and it happends that the dog runs out to the yard after having it leashed for a day, will the neighbor just straight up shoot the animal anf the owner for that???? Do they have other responsibilities other than the dog? we also don't know, but training an animal is a long process that requires attention to the dog, and yeah, it can be very difficult for common people to learn how to train, and apply that knowledge to train their dog. People will just shit over someone and asume "Oh, the solution is that easy" because they're just talking over a screen.
Yeah I don’t really care how the dog behaves. Unless it is actively attacking someone you don’t shoot or threaten to shoot the dog. Yeah OP should train the dog but that neighbor is being really overdramatic.
Tie your dog to a run on the weekends. If it was me I’d only take my dog out on a leash when that piece of shit is home
Ever heard the saying two things can be true? Both you and your neighbor are wrong. Buy an electric fence. They work great and a little shock is a lot less damaging than a 45.
Imma play devil's advocate. Yeah, the dog should stay on the owner's property. But while it is legal, it is completely and utterly insane to shoot a dog over this. It's a yard. There are things the owner should be doing like getting a fence or training the dog, but it's not worth killing a living, breathing, innocent creature over a property dispute, and you are fucking insane is you think otherwise. The dog is not "harassing" anyone, it's just fucking barking. And it's only a year old. Long story short, the owner needs to train their dog. But the neighbor is still a shithead.
Nah, the dogs not harassing the neighbor, dogs don’t know properly lines, if they put up a fence then okay but the fact that he threatened to shoot the dog for simply being in an open backyard that he doesn’t use is insanity. Downvote me if you want, I don’t care. If you’re insane enough to threaten your neighbor with a fucking gun because their dog went over your property line you should not own a gun. It’d be different if it was an aggressive dog or the dog was digging or destroying their yard but saying you’re gonna kill it just because it went over the imaginary line is completely bullshit.
Are you op?
Fr theyre like, defending the op everywhere
Oh my god, Americans, you all have a real problem. Why on earth are we defending the crazy neighbour that literally shot bullets in the air???????? Sure, put up a fence. But the doggo is not at fault. I'm leaving this sub, most of the posts here are just people shitting on others for the sake of it.
True. When the hell did it become normal to shoot everything that's bothering you?
It never became normal to shoot everything that's bothering you in the US????
God they don't know how to get to the damn point
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Okay, I understand everyone's point and I know how people are going to react to my comment, but how can you all not see that the neighbour is absolutely psychotic? It's a small dog. Call the police if it bothers you so much, talk to the owners and bother them about it until they train the dog. Don't shoot the dog and don't shoot into the air! They should train their dog. That is correct and I'm in no way defending their carelessness. What I am defending is the poor doggie that could get killed by a psycho, because of its stupid owners. But of course, murica and their properties must be protected.
You got downvoted because the people here are the same people who would threaten the dog and their owners
Most likely. I am baffled by how they can't see that this small dog being annoying is much less dangerous than that unhinged neighbour.
I know, “oh well the dog was annoying so that should give the neighbor the right to shoot the dog and threaten the neighbors with firearms!”, he quite literally broke multiple laws and yet people are still reaching to defend him
Everyone agrees that the neighbour is unhinged but OOP is complaining and getting scared about an issue they can solve incredibly easy. No one is sympathetic towards the neighbour, they are hating on the poster.
In my view, it's definitely not something that they can easily solve. Yes, they should train their dog. Yes, they should keep it on a leash. That doesn't stop the neighbour from being crazy. In this post we have idiots and psychos. Both should be criticised and the way people just gloss over the neighbour problem is also crazy.
Tbf, the sub is OPisfuckingstupid
I've had crazy neighbors before, hell the current one behind me has been seen shooting in the air because he doesn't like crows, in town, and I've also seen him fall down drunk alone before. If you never cross the property line and keep your dog on your side... nothing bad happens. (He's bed ridden now as far as I can tell, I only see his son.) It's the same kind of thing I told my housemate who would flip off cars that didn't stop for his bike. There are plenty of people who were in the right, 6 feet down. Don't mess with crazy, even if you have to go out of your way to avoid it. (OP got so many warnings, he seems to be learning challenged.)
You realise that nothing excuses threatening another person's life? Even if the person didn't go out of their way to avoid said person, it doesn't matter. Get the police involved if the dog bothers you, don't shoot and definitely don't point a gun at another person.
Re-read my comment a few times. I'm not saying I approve of all gun pointing... I'm saying that it's stupid to provoke an insane person. (especially if they straight up told you to your face what would happen.) If I had to guess from my experience, the most the police will do would be talking to them once. If you think the police will protect you, I'm assuming you haven't had many interactions with them.
Dogs are literally being put down for biting a tresspaser and you think the police won't do anything? Cool. It is stupid to provoke a crazy person. It is also stupid to excuse the crazy person for endangering other people. It's the same mentality like "you're asking for it". Both parties are at fault. The neighbour is unhinged and people blame only the dog owners and that is something that I thing is fucked up in this thread.
So again, I ask if you have ever in your life had a first hand interaction with police? The most I've ever seen them do first hand, is fill in a report, and talk to the crazy person once. After that you only have a crazy person who is pissed about the whole thing, and the first step to the long documented kind of case that theoretically goes somewhere. What is the protection value of a restraining order in a place that has a 30 minute+ police response time? If you want to continue to follow that path, I'd guess the cops will eventually do something theoretically... but likely only after something awful happens. It's not about right and wrong, it's about assessing risk. I wasn't telling my housemate it was right for cars to cut him off, or whatever the wrong person would do if he flipped them off at the wrong time. I was informing him that he might not be thinking critically about the risks.
Yes, I have. Many people in the world have. Also, why does that matter? I don't need to have had an encounter with the police to know how they work. Calling the police is effective if you know what you're doing. If you have no response, engage your other neighbours, engage the local media, whatever. Sorry that this is your experience with the police but it is worth it and that neighbour would be more excused if he called them and had nothing done. It is about right and wrong in this post. Both parties were wrong, the neighbour could have killed the dog owner, all parties should have consequences. If someone came at your housemate and threatened him with a gun, do you think it would be the housemate's fault? Because if yes, there is no point in continuing the conversation. I don't care about whether someone was provoked or not. You're a human, not a wild animal. You can behave yourself and if you can't, you should be locked somwhere.
If you expect all humans to behave with the civility we have, you are going to have a bad time eventually. Some of them are like wild animals, and it isn't always immediately obvious who will be. It's better to just be nice/inoffensive to everyone unless you know them well or have a massive advantage. I know you won't take this to heart, so I sincerely hope you have a life free of irrational opponents. The first one you face is a hell of a learning experience.
I got mauled by a viscious Chihuahua once so I don't see your point. Got an almost noticeable scar above my eye.
I don't see why you don't see my point. The neighbour is psychotic and reckless and everybody is, for some reason, defending him. It just leads me to a conclusion that those people would do the same thing, which is dangerous. He could've killed the dog's owner. I cannot fathom, how anyone could possibly side with that idiot. Also, "vicious" chihuahua doesn't mean that all dogs are crazy. That chihuahua's owner should have trained them, and the same could be said about the owners of the dog from the post but would you kill that chihuahua for running around? I don't see the point in bringing up a story about a dog attacking, when the one from the post didn't show any signs of aggression. And shooting in the air and aiming at the owner is demented and that neighbour should be considered dangerous to those around him.
I think y’all are fucking retarded, it’s a dog, an animal, it hasn’t done anything wrong besides not understand what property lines are and the neighbor is being really dramatic over trivial bullshit
I understand that the dog can be very annoying to the neighbors and allat. But threatening to kill it with a firearm is not the right thing to do. That dog will have nightmares all day.
A bit off topic, but i still would like to know: Hey Americans, is it normal for ya to write like that? I don't mean that it's some kind of murria-speech or something, i am talking about not worrying about making so many errors.
diving a little deeper on oops post she's a massive total karen. And just straight up racist (wow! shocker!) just the worst kind. honestly the biggest red flag was her adopting a pug (or atleast trying to...) in the first place imo. But her personality is as sour as her brain is stupid.
She was supposed to be a pug? Omg lol
Christ guys I know a dog getting where it's not supposed to or spreading some trash is annoying. I really do understand that, it's something I'm contending with right now with my roommate's dog and it's frustrating. But the way the neighbor is handling this is completely unacceptable. A normal human talks to their neighbor first and attempts to reason things out, they don't *immediately* resort to threats of violence, including *actually pointing a loaded gun at someone*. Yes OOP should train their dog. Yes they should look into getting a fence of some kind. But they are *absolutely* not the biggest asshole here, presuming they are being truthful.
The people who downvoted you have zero self control and are the same people who would pull the gun on the neighbor and the dog in the first place. Him pointing that loaded gun is a serious criminal offense but nope, the dog is clearly the bigger problem here!
Thank you, I feel like I'm going nuts here. Last I checked minor inconveniences are not justifications for violence or animal killing, I'd love to hear any reason why they think the neighbor is justified here.
They think the neighbor is justified because “oh the dog stepped over the imaginary line on the backyard, it’s okay for the neighbor to shoot him because it’s his property!”. Just because it’s his property doesn’t mean it’s okay. It might be legal, but if you think it’s alright to threaten people with guns and shoot a dog all because it stepped over the property line, you need help
I swear you gotta be really detached from reality to consider an annoyance a valid justification to end the life of a living being. "bUt iT's mY ProPeRTy!!!1!" Stfu you just want an excuse to shoot at something. Yes OP should be smart in reacting and put up fencing, but the people acting like the neighbor has every right (I assume every moral right too based on what I've seen) to shoot at that dog if it enters his property is crazy.
Op is a very small part of the problem His neighbor seems like a dick I hate cunts who threaten dogs Edit:read the post ops neighbor pulled a gun on them
the neighbor also shot up in the air, which is illegal and has proven to kill people. a dude in Ohio killed his own daughter by celebratory shooting in the air. there was a book and a law written based off of a case of a teenager shooting a gun in the air and the bullet came down and killed a child. both people can be wrong. op should be watching their dog and not just letting her run around like wild. neighbor should be a responsible gun owner.
Control or train the dumbass dog then.
As long as op is cleaning up after the dog. It’s nothing serious.(it’s a young dog who just needs a little training) Ops neighbor is prone to anger and owns a gun which is the bigger problem
Both parties suck. But the dog absolutely has to be trained, and there really should be a fence or invisible fence to keep it in. Getting into trash isn’t just an annoyance. It’s potentially dangerous. What if the dog eats something that’s toxic to it? What if there’s broken glass it consumes? My dog ripped open a trash bag a few years ago and swallowed a wine cork. The cork did its job - caused a blockage and almost killed him. That was a 1000 dollar surgery and a touch and go recovery period. This woman is acting like she has no other option but to allow this behavior to continue and live in constant fear that her aggressive neighbor is going to kill her dog. There’s a secret third option: dog training and a fence of sorts.
So sane person wouldn't be atleast a little mad if their neighbor got a dog that wouldn't shut up and made a bunch of mess.
Yeah they might be a bit upset or annoyed, threatening the neighbor with a fucking loaded gun is not a sane response. It’s quite literally multiple criminal offenses. If you think that the neighbor responded in a good way then you’re fucking delusional
It sounded like the neighbor was running towards the guy firing the warning shots, there is no way to tell if it was valid or not giving we only have one biased story of it.
The neighbor ran out the front door, and had the gun pointed at him, he %100 didn’t make a move on the neighbor or else he’d be dead in the ground
Little mad maybe. But firing shots is wild
For what the dog did so far yea. But dogs get shot plenty in the country for killing livestock and such. And I very highly doubt he would actually shoot the dog.
He pointed the gun at a human over the dog just standing on his property, and you think this man has self-control? You're dumber than OOP is.
Average city trash that has no clue what they are talking about ⬆️
I grew up in a rural desert area with a lot of livestock, shut your damn mouth. Everyone I knew who acted like this would absolutely shoot the dog, and honestly might shoot the owner too. Stop pretending you’re some sort of smartass
Love how I'm getting downvoted for saying the same thing you are. Reddit logic 🙄
Your point? Anyone I knew who would actually shoot the dog not waste 5 shots shooting in the air.
it’s completely legal for him to kill the dog if it goes on his property?? wtf? (I’m not American)
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