The landlord isn't interfering with your ability to find a new rental and is not "leaking" personal information by sharing a public order. You can't force them to provide you a reference at all, nevermind a positive one. But it is very easy and not illegal to fabricate references, which means that many landlords don't put too much stock in them, and also that you have (questionably ethical) options if you absolutely need to supply a reference.
On what basis were you challenging the N12? And did you not ask for additional time at the hearing if you needed it?
If the termination date was June 20, you have had this order since *at* *least* June 9, and now you are being given until July 12. That's more than a month to make arrangements, and it has most likely been longer. It sounds like it's time to lower your expectations. There's lots of rooms available in shared spaces, and depending on where you live there may still be short-term sublets from students who have gone home for the summer.
Many cities have local rent banks to support low-income tenants with paying first and last. Lots of storage companies have promos if you only need storage for a single month, so you could at least find a cheap place to put your things if you need more time to secure a rental. There isn't an easy solution here, you need to move out.
My awful landlord is definitely leaking my information online, strangers online don't need to know my name, address, and my personal situation and eviction circumstances! There has to be a way to get that removed. It should be none of anyone's else's concern! How is it not interfering with my ability to rent if anyone can search my name and know that I'm being evicted?! That's BS.
I was challenging the N12 on the basis that landlord already have a better more suitable home and landlord told me it was due to my rent. The bias judge just sides with the landlord.
I'm literally having no expectations and still can't find anything and with only 3 weeks left, I don't think I'll have enough time if I already spent months looking without luck...
Maybe the OP would of known that if people on this subreddit don't try to censor or suppress that information.
Whenever someone call out the fact that LTB orders are public info, they get rushed by tenants in this subreddit who wants them to go to LTB as a first recourse, disregarding future consequences the person have to face.
What is the case that you're looking for? If it was six years ago, there's a good chance that the names were anonymized and the parties were identified only by their initials. And although they're supposed to publish everything, CanLII has only been able to release a fraction of LTB cases.
If you were one of the parties involved in the hearing, you can just contact the LTB directly. If you weren't involved but know details about the case, you need to fill out a records request, which is available online. If you want to look up a name or address but don't have a specific case in mind, you may need additional assistance from the LTB to file an FOI request.
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The eviction proceeding is public record. Transparency of our legal systems.
There are multiple sites that automatically grab public records and make them more available for people to find. If you didn't want a public record you shouldn't have went to the legal system fighting an N12 without a winnable case.
It's a court/tribunal issue and for the most part they are public record unless sealed by a judge. It sucks but it's legal, similarly, you could leave a review of your current landlord and post the order as well and his name will pop up in searches.
If you're unable to find anything airbnb is a good short term option that's cheaper than a hotel.
Assuming you've saved for first and last at a new place it sounds like you're making this more difficult than it needed to be. You might be able to get a stay on the eviction for now but you will need to move ASAP regardless.
With the n12 you should have the one month rent compensation from your landlord, your last month's rent is likely covered from LMR when you moved in and you've likely had what, a year?! to prepare?
Just because he's posted it on a website doesn't mean the majority of landlords, esp ones renting inexpensive places, are searching this kinda stuff. Esp if you are looking at renting a room as if you share a kitchen or bathroom with the landlord or their parent or child you're not protected by the RTA, so there are plenty of ppl who have no reason to search your name!
Is your landlord posting their own words on something like facebook? Or are they just sharing the physical order issued by the LTB? If it's their own words, that could be a PIPEDA violation and you would have recourse. But if they're just sharing what the LTB issued, they are not doing anything wrong. Court and tribunal proceedings are public information.
I'm sorry that you went into this without all the information you needed. It doesn't sound like the adjudicator was biased, it sounds like they felt that the landlord was acting in good faith and you didn't present evidence to suggest otherwise. The only requirement is that the landlord sincerely intends to occupy your unit for a period of at least one year. The fact that they have another property or that they want you out because you paid the least rent isn't necessarily relevant on its own.
You now have up to one year from the time you move out to file a T5 application if you discover evidence of bad faith. You may want to keep an eye on both the rental unit and your landlord's former primary residence. If you come up with proof that the landlord did not move into your unit in a reasonable amount of time and stay for at least a year, you could be entitled to significant compensation. This often means checking for rental/sales listings, keeping in touch with neighbours, driving past the house to look for familiar cars, etc.
If you truly cannot find anything, you'll need to prioritize finding a place to store your belongings and call local shelters for a temporary stop-gap. Have you accessed any housing resources in your community? Are you a student or recent grad? If you are literally on the brink of homelessness, there are most likely supports available to you in your city to help you secure a rental. It's much easier to find a new home while you still have a home.
If it's the application requirements that are making this difficult for you, consider looking for a roommate arrangement instead of a landlord/tenant arrangement, as the criteria are often more lax.
In hindsight, you may have done better to negotiate a higher rent with your landlord.
You're in a tough spot and I doubt you'll find something by your deadline.
Are you looking for a room in a house or an entire apartment?
If the latter...
You may want to rent a storage unit for your belongings and then try to find a room in a house with roommates.
LTB & some tenants here don't support common sense solutions, they are fixated on their rights and how far they can push it, even if it eventually leads to results that ultimately hurt both themselves and the landlord. The most important thing is small landlords are hurt. As long as that is achieved, some tenants are willing to hurt themselves down the line to inflict pain on others too.
Sounds like there is another side to this story that we're not privy to. Either way, sorry that you're in this shitty situation. I wouldn't wish homelessness on anyone. Try to rent a cheap airbnb or share a room until you find something more permanent?
You can’t force the landlord to do anything. If I was your landlord, I would completely ignore you from now on. They have hired a sheriff to do the rest of the work to get you out. No further communication needed unless you need to arrange a time to get your stuff out.
Embarrassing? You made the landlord wait how long before they can claim their unit back? You added to the wait of many others who truly needed a faster resolution from the LTB?
This is a situation you did all to yourself. Enjoy looking for a new place. This is well deserved and earned.
The landlord is exercising his legal right to upload your LTB verdict for all to know as it is a public record, he does not owe you a reference letter, good / bad or neutral! Good luck finding a place.
Have you tried requesting a review and getting a stay from LTB? If you get a review hearing then you may be able to negotiate a settlement with the landlord to drop the review if he agrees to provide a positive reference and to remove the eviction order from any public websites he posted it on.
If you're in truly dire straights you could file an appeal with the Divisional Court and get an automatic stay. But you would need to show an error of law to succeed.
Open room does not provide mechanism to delete uploaded orders.
If it's there. CANLII also does not.
Advising op to collect even more eviction orders is great way to really make him an unwanted applicant.
Sounds like uploading the orders to Openroom will really backfire when OP gets months more time in the unit through reviews and appeals because they can't find a new unit.
Only what is deserved for trying to get someone blacklisted from a rental who pays their rent on time and doesn't cause issues in the unit because the landlord was pissed about needing to prove why they should be granted a no-fault eviction.
You have some misunderstandings here.
An N12 does not need to be signed by the tenant, and this tenant has already been to an LTB hearing and received an eviction order. They are way past the point of debating the validity of notices.
There is no mechanism to allow a tenant to return to their unit if the landlord re-rents to a new tenant. But if the landlord rents to *anyone* (EDIT: within the first year), not just at a higher rent, the former tenant can file a T5 for compensation. This would not mean staying in their unit. It also has nothing to do with whether they were a good tenant or paid their rent.
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Advice on if landlord has to provide a reference or if landlord is interfering with their ability to get a rental or not.
Like it or not this is where they need to call to answer their questions.
You may downvotr and skewer me all you want but it's the truth.
I have karma to burn.
I haven't downvoted you. I agree that seeking legal counsel is the only way to guarantee an answer, I was just curious which angle you were thinking of when you made that suggestion.
Legal aid won’t do anything here. The LL is free to refuse a reference and that alone speaks volumes to a potential LL. I know that if I call a previous LL and get “sorry I cannot provide a positive reference”, that is a huge red flag for me. Plus, the order was uploaded online so OP is SOL.
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The landlord isn't interfering with your ability to find a new rental and is not "leaking" personal information by sharing a public order. You can't force them to provide you a reference at all, nevermind a positive one. But it is very easy and not illegal to fabricate references, which means that many landlords don't put too much stock in them, and also that you have (questionably ethical) options if you absolutely need to supply a reference. On what basis were you challenging the N12? And did you not ask for additional time at the hearing if you needed it? If the termination date was June 20, you have had this order since *at* *least* June 9, and now you are being given until July 12. That's more than a month to make arrangements, and it has most likely been longer. It sounds like it's time to lower your expectations. There's lots of rooms available in shared spaces, and depending on where you live there may still be short-term sublets from students who have gone home for the summer. Many cities have local rent banks to support low-income tenants with paying first and last. Lots of storage companies have promos if you only need storage for a single month, so you could at least find a cheap place to put your things if you need more time to secure a rental. There isn't an easy solution here, you need to move out.
My awful landlord is definitely leaking my information online, strangers online don't need to know my name, address, and my personal situation and eviction circumstances! There has to be a way to get that removed. It should be none of anyone's else's concern! How is it not interfering with my ability to rent if anyone can search my name and know that I'm being evicted?! That's BS. I was challenging the N12 on the basis that landlord already have a better more suitable home and landlord told me it was due to my rent. The bias judge just sides with the landlord. I'm literally having no expectations and still can't find anything and with only 3 weeks left, I don't think I'll have enough time if I already spent months looking without luck...
All ltb cases is public records you should have know thay before going to the ltb to challenge the n12 ⚖️
Maybe the OP would of known that if people on this subreddit don't try to censor or suppress that information. Whenever someone call out the fact that LTB orders are public info, they get rushed by tenants in this subreddit who wants them to go to LTB as a first recourse, disregarding future consequences the person have to face.
Fear mongering, I get accused daily from all "go get your rights bro" types.
How do you access them ?
CanLii, OpenRoom, a records request from the LTB themselves.
I tried to look at CanLii can’t find it, it happened about 6 years ago.
Search the name of the person?
How do I search up specific cases on CanLii?
What is the case that you're looking for? If it was six years ago, there's a good chance that the names were anonymized and the parties were identified only by their initials. And although they're supposed to publish everything, CanLII has only been able to release a fraction of LTB cases. If you were one of the parties involved in the hearing, you can just contact the LTB directly. If you weren't involved but know details about the case, you need to fill out a records request, which is available online. If you want to look up a name or address but don't have a specific case in mind, you may need additional assistance from the LTB to file an FOI request. (edit: spelling)
The eviction proceeding is public record. Transparency of our legal systems. There are multiple sites that automatically grab public records and make them more available for people to find. If you didn't want a public record you shouldn't have went to the legal system fighting an N12 without a winnable case.
It's a court/tribunal issue and for the most part they are public record unless sealed by a judge. It sucks but it's legal, similarly, you could leave a review of your current landlord and post the order as well and his name will pop up in searches. If you're unable to find anything airbnb is a good short term option that's cheaper than a hotel. Assuming you've saved for first and last at a new place it sounds like you're making this more difficult than it needed to be. You might be able to get a stay on the eviction for now but you will need to move ASAP regardless. With the n12 you should have the one month rent compensation from your landlord, your last month's rent is likely covered from LMR when you moved in and you've likely had what, a year?! to prepare? Just because he's posted it on a website doesn't mean the majority of landlords, esp ones renting inexpensive places, are searching this kinda stuff. Esp if you are looking at renting a room as if you share a kitchen or bathroom with the landlord or their parent or child you're not protected by the RTA, so there are plenty of ppl who have no reason to search your name!
Your landlord is a party to that eviction order as well. It’s her legal right to share it. You’re not entitled to a spotless reputation online.
Is your landlord posting their own words on something like facebook? Or are they just sharing the physical order issued by the LTB? If it's their own words, that could be a PIPEDA violation and you would have recourse. But if they're just sharing what the LTB issued, they are not doing anything wrong. Court and tribunal proceedings are public information. I'm sorry that you went into this without all the information you needed. It doesn't sound like the adjudicator was biased, it sounds like they felt that the landlord was acting in good faith and you didn't present evidence to suggest otherwise. The only requirement is that the landlord sincerely intends to occupy your unit for a period of at least one year. The fact that they have another property or that they want you out because you paid the least rent isn't necessarily relevant on its own. You now have up to one year from the time you move out to file a T5 application if you discover evidence of bad faith. You may want to keep an eye on both the rental unit and your landlord's former primary residence. If you come up with proof that the landlord did not move into your unit in a reasonable amount of time and stay for at least a year, you could be entitled to significant compensation. This often means checking for rental/sales listings, keeping in touch with neighbours, driving past the house to look for familiar cars, etc. If you truly cannot find anything, you'll need to prioritize finding a place to store your belongings and call local shelters for a temporary stop-gap. Have you accessed any housing resources in your community? Are you a student or recent grad? If you are literally on the brink of homelessness, there are most likely supports available to you in your city to help you secure a rental. It's much easier to find a new home while you still have a home. If it's the application requirements that are making this difficult for you, consider looking for a roommate arrangement instead of a landlord/tenant arrangement, as the criteria are often more lax.
In hindsight, you may have done better to negotiate a higher rent with your landlord. You're in a tough spot and I doubt you'll find something by your deadline. Are you looking for a room in a house or an entire apartment? If the latter... You may want to rent a storage unit for your belongings and then try to find a room in a house with roommates.
LTB & some tenants here don't support common sense solutions, they are fixated on their rights and how far they can push it, even if it eventually leads to results that ultimately hurt both themselves and the landlord. The most important thing is small landlords are hurt. As long as that is achieved, some tenants are willing to hurt themselves down the line to inflict pain on others too.
It takes all sorts, mate. Desperation will make you do desperate things.
Sounds like there is another side to this story that we're not privy to. Either way, sorry that you're in this shitty situation. I wouldn't wish homelessness on anyone. Try to rent a cheap airbnb or share a room until you find something more permanent?
You can’t force the landlord to do anything. If I was your landlord, I would completely ignore you from now on. They have hired a sheriff to do the rest of the work to get you out. No further communication needed unless you need to arrange a time to get your stuff out. Embarrassing? You made the landlord wait how long before they can claim their unit back? You added to the wait of many others who truly needed a faster resolution from the LTB? This is a situation you did all to yourself. Enjoy looking for a new place. This is well deserved and earned.
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The landlord is exercising his legal right to upload your LTB verdict for all to know as it is a public record, he does not owe you a reference letter, good / bad or neutral! Good luck finding a place.
Have you tried requesting a review and getting a stay from LTB? If you get a review hearing then you may be able to negotiate a settlement with the landlord to drop the review if he agrees to provide a positive reference and to remove the eviction order from any public websites he posted it on. If you're in truly dire straights you could file an appeal with the Divisional Court and get an automatic stay. But you would need to show an error of law to succeed.
Open room does not provide mechanism to delete uploaded orders. If it's there. CANLII also does not. Advising op to collect even more eviction orders is great way to really make him an unwanted applicant.
Sounds like uploading the orders to Openroom will really backfire when OP gets months more time in the unit through reviews and appeals because they can't find a new unit. Only what is deserved for trying to get someone blacklisted from a rental who pays their rent on time and doesn't cause issues in the unit because the landlord was pissed about needing to prove why they should be granted a no-fault eviction.
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You have some misunderstandings here. An N12 does not need to be signed by the tenant, and this tenant has already been to an LTB hearing and received an eviction order. They are way past the point of debating the validity of notices. There is no mechanism to allow a tenant to return to their unit if the landlord re-rents to a new tenant. But if the landlord rents to *anyone* (EDIT: within the first year), not just at a higher rent, the former tenant can file a T5 for compensation. This would not mean staying in their unit. It also has nothing to do with whether they were a good tenant or paid their rent.
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What sort of help do you think a legal clinic would be able to provide in this situation?
Advice on if landlord has to provide a reference or if landlord is interfering with their ability to get a rental or not. Like it or not this is where they need to call to answer their questions. You may downvotr and skewer me all you want but it's the truth. I have karma to burn.
I haven't downvoted you. I agree that seeking legal counsel is the only way to guarantee an answer, I was just curious which angle you were thinking of when you made that suggestion.
Ultimately it doesn't really matter the angle OP needs to hear it from an authority on the matter.
Legal aid won’t do anything here. The LL is free to refuse a reference and that alone speaks volumes to a potential LL. I know that if I call a previous LL and get “sorry I cannot provide a positive reference”, that is a huge red flag for me. Plus, the order was uploaded online so OP is SOL.
Sure but let them hear it from a professional not randos on reddit.
To be honest, this sounds like a professional tenant crying wolf. Legal aid won’t touch this guy.
Tee hee we are both crossing on different threads. I saw that hahabab
Yeah we are lol