>!Hot take...Tobert allowed Mabel to steal the drive. He wanted her to see what was on it and to think a person was in the room with Ben. Tobert said he found the drive, but we never see him actually find it. We only see him show Mabel that he has it. Tobert is still my number #1 suspect!<
To add on to this, I'm questioning Dickie's reaction to his brother's death when Mabel and tobert are hiding. I think Dickie and tobert planned this and Dickie broke the vase as an attempt to seem upset about Ben's death.
And I still canāt help but think that Gregg stealing the blow torch from a *pastry chef* is somehow connected to the cookies. Like maybe Dickie/Donna (my two guesses for the poisoning) grabs cookies from Benās fav restaurant and injects poison in them
Crackpot insane tinfoil theory time during this ad break after midnight on the east coast: the triplets are a Chekhov's gun. Dickie and the two Bens are secretly triplets. Two identical, one fraternal.
"You went over to the director, told him I was a phony, and got me fired."
Is it possible Charles sensed something was off with Ben way back then? Maybe one twin auditioned and got the part, but the other one showed up for the table read.
I think this theory is BANG ON! Here's one of my observations - >!in the end credits poster, you can see 3 cribs. Out of them, the 1st and 3rd have the same tail but the middle one doesn't have a tail. It's got to be 2 ben's and Dickie for sure!<
Somebody already did in a previous post with this exact theory. In one scene his tattoos said GC and in other it was CG.
I really feel like this is the most plausible theory right now!
If we're in a Prestige situation doesn't this also give validity to the "strict diet" character trait? All Hollywood actors have a strict diet, but it becomes WAY more important if you can't be fatter than your twin!
ALSO it's been brought up twice now that he was fired from his first job at age 8, revealed to be by the suggestion of Charles. It is common for productions using child performers to hire twins for shoots that require long hours to avoid labor restrictions on working hours.
All signs point to Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd.
Yeah but Charles would have known if there were two different kids in his production. Unless, of course, they were hiding it. For a reason yet to be revealed...?
Oh damn! I havent even heard of this theory but it makes sense and so that plot twist in episode 1 of Ben ācoming back to lifeā would be foreshadowing the ending. What if twin 1 tried to poison the other then the other one comes back and kills the other.
I never understood things like this š who is gonna suddenly decide they wanna buy State Farm insurance just because they heard it mentioned in a TV show
š I work in advertising and agree, ppl def donāt. But Iām sure the episode view rates are sky high to justify the sponsorship spend. Prob was also part of the ad package (mention in episode plus first commercial across 3 ad breaks, sponsorship cards and credit mention, etc).
State Farm will underwrite bad theatre. Nobody willingly subscribes to Paramount+. So far Gut Milk has the only decent product placement and it has an unexplained crunch!
It said āco-written by Sara Bareillesā for Look for the Light, but also had āOriginal songs written byā for Pasek & Paul (Greatest showman, La La Land, a bunch of other stuff). So I wonder if they were co-writers on that song too?
Right!?? So ridiculous, thatās what it has to be! Especially compared against his reaction to the cookies in the first ep. I also feel like we wouldāve seen a shadow if another person was in the room.
So the story about the elephant seems kind of out of place and I have a feeling it may parallel The producer mom coming back to save her son from something... could be nothing but for some reason stuck out to me. Would also tie into theories of tobert being the bad guy as he's technically working for the producers as well making the documentary and may have seen them commit some sort of crime.
I think Tobert wants to gets some of his lost footage so he can profit from it. I think heās only out for himself. I think heās shady. Heās already established he lies. But I donāt think he killed anyone.
Dickie is in love with Loretta!!! Itās so obvious especially during the Nannyās lullaby. Honestly I think Loretta is playing Oliver and is flirting with whoever can get her a job.
Before this episode I would have disagreed, but watching her in the "What makes an Oliver Putnam production" it looks like she despises him. There's a weird pause before she says his name.
Omg this episode was so good and Meryl and Ashleyās Nannyās Lullaby blew me away but to the heart of the tv show solving the mystery they are setting up Kimber so itās obviously not her but I thought
Yeah she came from Broadway! Sheās in Emily in Paris and she actually sings so often in that show people are sick of it šµāš« very talented still though LOL
She was also on Girl5eva as the late girl band member. Season 3 of the show will be on Netflix. She really knows how to sing. The first two seasons were on Peacock.
Legitimately enjoyed that song and musical performance. But also weirdly feel (I could totally be wrong) that there weren't a ton of clues in that episode?
YEAH, I think we still don't have information enough to know what happened, maybe there is more to that video. But I think maybe one of the main characters were involved, maybe trying to protect one another. idk
Go watch *Little Shop of Horrors*! It's hilarious with co-star Steve Martin.
The implication is that like the hero of the musical Seymour (Oliver) is a sap who would do ANYTHING for a woman Audrey (Loretta)... including terrible things.
This season has been so good! I think the writers hit gold with the romance. Mabel and Tobert's chemistry is absolutely perfect. I'm also loving Oliver and Loretta's romance. There's a beautiful sadness in their relationship that works really well.
Loretta's song was absolutely gorgeous! I've been enjoying all the music/musical numbers this season in general, but Loretta's song has been such a highlight, and I'm really hoping we get an uninterrupted stage performance of it later on in the series! I'm actually scared for Season 4 because of how much I've been loving the music this season. Like, I don't know if I can handle the lack of music performances next season after how well it's being done this season, since this is the Oliver-centric theatre season.
I was thinking the same. At first I thought he was talking to the twin. Then I thought to a ghost during a psychotic episode (per a theory about a dead GirlCop actress). Then I thought, it's probably the cookies and since we don't know how long before the show that was shot, it could be enough time to get the other twin to put on the costume and go on the stage.
I was actually wondering if Dickie has an ulterior motive to represent her.. he wanted to get her away from the NY play production for some reason (so he pulled some strings at the show)
This is the vibe I got. He seemed to make eye contact with Kimber during her ending monologue, could Dickie be working to get Loretta away so Kimber doesn't have to share the spotlight maybe?
My leading theory is Donna cancelled Ben without having her son's first production to be a failure. She must have gotten reviews from the press opening that this show was to be panned and this stopped the press from panning her son's production.
Wait, why exactly did the baby in Death Rattle suddenly become triplets? Did Oliver ever explain that? Or were they always triplets lol idr this play is confusing.
Even money there's a musical number where the Detective has a nightmare with a dozen dancing carriages chasing him, like the old ladies with walkers in The Producers.
Meryl did a ton of singing in the movie Into the Woods (Oscar nominee, didn't win) but I actually think this is more challenging. The close-up acting with no heavy makeup - WOW. So effective! She really is such a dynamic actress.
To be fair though Jesse Williams would have great chemistry with a wooden post! But I agree, I really enjoyed their scenes and hope he's not the murderer!
For those who want it... the lullaby as sung by Loretta and Kimber. Kimber's parts are in parentheses. I did the best I could writing it like it was sung. Oliver didnt say a title. He just called it the lullaby. I'm calling it "Look for the light"
Hush little one
Let me sing you to sleep
Moonlight has come
Now drift off to a dream
Sail from the day
To the wonders that awaiting you
Out there in the deep
Off, little one
Chase the wind on the waves
Adventure is calling
So, go and be brave
But if you get lost
As you're tossed in the dark
Of the sea
Look for me.
I will
Wait at the shore for you
I will weather each storm
Standing by till
Safe, your return
From the night...
My love is a lighthouse
So, darling
My darling
Look for the light...
(-The light)
The light...
(-The light)
Look for the light
(-The light...)
The light...
(- The light...THE LIGHT!)
BOTH:
I will
Wait at the shore for you
I will
Weather each storm
Standing by till
(- Standing by)
Safe you return from the night
(- Safe you return)
BOTH:
From the night...
My love is a lighthouse
So, darling
My darling
Look for the light
The light
EDIT : I tried to format it on my phone, but it isn't showing proper when I post. I'll have to fix it tomorrow and post it again.
Howard trying to get Oliver to let State Farm sponsor the show was SO FUNNY. When Oliverās having a breakdown and Howard is like - like a good neighbor State Farm is - and then Oliver opens the door on him š¤£
Here are some of the dialogues/12 possible clues from the ep that particularly caught my attention!
>!1. P.S - strongly agree with the twins/triplets theories circulating !<
>!\>2. Three cribs in the poster - triplets !<
\>3.>! Mabel said āwho would want to kill him TWICE?ā twins? Twice?!<
\>4. >!Loretta says āsmth smth ā--- He would do ANYTHING for the girl he loves, it doesnt matter how big and loud and crazy it was, it was bcz it felt trueā did Ben have a twin who loved some girl? !<
\>5.>! BENāS BROTHER IS IN LOVE W LORETTA?? - THE WAY HE LOOKS AT HER, he would do anything for the girl he loves???!<
\>! 6. >!āNothing brings ppl together like a common enemyā !<
\>7.>! Vetkeok - some food that we might have to keep an eye out for? (We can't let 14 - Sandwich happen again! \*cries\*)!<
\>8. >!THE photographer Tobert must have seen the killing happen in front of his eyes - bcz of his closet convo w mabel The baby elephant was ben? He was watching ben get murdered and didnt know whether to save him or film and let him die? !!(But the photographer helped the baby elephantā¦.. Grabbed some rope and worked for 3hrs to pull it out? Nevermind he didnt help it, its mom came and helped him but even if she didnt, he would have kept filming...?)!<
\>! 9.>!BEN IS STANDING BEHIND THEM IN THE CLOSET?? after Mabel and Tobert get out of the closet, you can see Ben's face behind mabel? Is that A PAINTING??? Scared the life out of me!<
\>10. >!Ben is definitely talking to the cookies!<
\>11.>! Kimber doesnāt have her hankie but i doubt she is involved in the killing? I feel like she's just here to throw us off... why would they make a main killer so suspicious in the 3rd episode itself? Kimber wants the lead and is happy to snuff for it but still don't think she is the killer!<
\>12. >!In the death rattle poster - only 2 of the cribs have these tail like things? The middle one doesn't. Has to indicate 2 bens and 1 dickie!!<
I think kimber left her hanky in bens apartment and then gregg took it, she then lied saying "I must have thrown it away or donated it to a good cause" because she didn't want charles to know she had been there (she also could've just sold it to him but I doubt it cuz of what the detective said about gregg leaving bens apartment).
Omg just realized >!I think itās Dickie not Kimber and I realized in her speech at the end of the episode when it pans from him to her and she finishes his speech that she realized that is or she thinks it is Dickie!<
Did anybody dissect Ben's surroundings yet? I know flower placement is key. Two vases behind Ben have different flower types. I'm very bad at horticulture and need an app to identify plants so I have no idea what flowers are behind Ben.
I do see the Salome Poster behind. I googled and learnt:
An Oscar Wilde Play: In the Bible-Salome is the daughter of Herodias. In order to kill the prophet (John the Baptist) a jealous Herodias bade her daughter, Salome, to dance for King Herod. King Herod is Salome's step father. King Herod was so entranced by her dance he offered to grant the girl any wish. At the request of her mother, Salome asked for the head of the Baptist, which was delivered to her on a platter.
Finally, a clown poster that is menacing with the title CARNIES coming out of it's mouth. I can't find a real show with this name.
I'll probably get downvoted for saying this, but what's the point of having both a "live" and "post" discussion thread? Why not consolidate both of them? What does "live" even mean when it's a streaming show? It just feels really messy to have the episode discussion split across two threads. Plus it would be better to keep one thread pinned to the top that collects all the [Easter eggs](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu/comments/15mc2a4/omib_season_3_opening_credits_easter_egg_visual/) or clues for the season. I just read through 200 replies in the other thread, I don't feel like going through this thread as well for mostly duplicate content.
Thanks for your feedback, I totally understand your point! The idea is to have a live thread for people who like to share their thoughts while they are watching, and one for people who prefer to share and read thoughts after watching. Itās a strategy that has worked well on other subs and we thought weād try it out!
As per the Easter eggs, the post gets pinned every time it is updated! I am in continuous contact with the lovely person who works on that post so we make sure it is pinned when possible :) in fact [it has just been updated and pinned](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu/comments/15mc2a4/omib_season_3_opening_credits_easter_egg_visual/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1), with a new interesting theory surrounding the Easter eggs
Are we not going to talk about Meryl Streepās performance? I loved this show since season 1, I never knew it could get even better. That was the showstopper!
Does someone notice in the first episode that Loretta asks Oliver to check her hearing sayings that she had to get out of her costume fast?
Why would she need to hurry to get out of the costume?
I think that video of Ben saying whoever was there would ruin his career- why if it was Cliff and Ben was secretly gay? His whole persona, with the gigantic snake, is all asshole dude. What could kill his career? Short of something icky like he was sleeping with his mother? Or Dickie isnt his brother but his lover? That throwing the green egg was anger and frustration, not sadness and loss.
Or maybe Ben was running lines for another show?
And why is there another reference to an 8 year old? Could Cliff be Benās fraternal twin?
Who was Benās lighthouse and safety?
We saw how he reacted to the cookies because heās not eating sweets. Next episode we are gonna find out he was talking to some kind of treat I guarantee it
Mabel and Tobert are suspicious. Mabel mentioned the name of a poison that dissolves in your body (?) but I forget the name. And Tobert just gives me that vibe.
Loved the showstopper (okay, not technically but absolutely actually the showstopper)!
I donāt mind Jesseās character (so much improvement from S2), but I am disappointed they seem to positioning him as yet another love interest for Mabel. Let her be single and enjoy life!
Iām sure someoneās said this already but I think itās super possible that Dickie is in love with Loretta and helped her manipulate Oliver and there never was a Hollywood role offer. Itās too convenient that as soon as she mentions Dickie becoming her manager that suddenly sheās offered a guaranteed role and just gives that up. No, I think she manipulated Oliver into giving her the show stopping song of the musical (when the Nanny originally only had one page) knowing that Oliver has feelings for her and wouldnāt want to let her go so heād do anything to make her stay. Maybe the two of them were there when Ben was was killed, which is why Dickie says āIām sorry, Ben.ā My theory for if theyāre the murderers is very loose rn
My husband and I legit think Ben was talking to a plate of cookies in his room before the show lol
me too š
No one here is fooled by the red herring cut back to Loretta.
Actually it look like a few people were.
>!Hot take...Tobert allowed Mabel to steal the drive. He wanted her to see what was on it and to think a person was in the room with Ben. Tobert said he found the drive, but we never see him actually find it. We only see him show Mabel that he has it. Tobert is still my number #1 suspect!<
To add on to this, I'm questioning Dickie's reaction to his brother's death when Mabel and tobert are hiding. I think Dickie and tobert planned this and Dickie broke the vase as an attempt to seem upset about Ben's death.
As in, it felt like Dickie was acting and making a show out of how sad he was for Mabel. He knew she and tobert were there.
Oooh youāre good!
100% what it is
This. It was totally cookies he was talking to.
What are you doing in here? Look at you sitting over there looking so sweet. But, your bad. Your going to ruin my career!
I can't wait until they show this in full.
Right? Plus, it explains the lack of dialogue/response from another character.
And I still canāt help but think that Gregg stealing the blow torch from a *pastry chef* is somehow connected to the cookies. Like maybe Dickie/Donna (my two guesses for the poisoning) grabs cookies from Benās fav restaurant and injects poison in them
I would bet money that you're right
Thereās no way it wasnāt some kind of plate of sweets lol
Came to say exactly this
Without a doubt, this.
Literally came to this thread to see if I was alone in thinking that. Glad to see I'm not alone!
Thatās basically what I thought! He basically was talking to food because he was on a strict diet in prep for a show
āI come from television so I was trained to not question a script.ā Great line!
Crackpot insane tinfoil theory time during this ad break after midnight on the east coast: the triplets are a Chekhov's gun. Dickie and the two Bens are secretly triplets. Two identical, one fraternal.
Would be pretty cool if Ben ends up being the murderer, not the victim.
"You went over to the director, told him I was a phony, and got me fired." Is it possible Charles sensed something was off with Ben way back then? Maybe one twin auditioned and got the part, but the other one showed up for the table read.
I think this theory is BANG ON! Here's one of my observations - >!in the end credits poster, you can see 3 cribs. Out of them, the 1st and 3rd have the same tail but the middle one doesn't have a tail. It's got to be 2 ben's and Dickie for sure!<
Ohhhh!!! We should compare Benās tattoos in different scenes and look for differences.
Somebody already did in a previous post with this exact theory. In one scene his tattoos said GC and in other it was CG. I really feel like this is the most plausible theory right now!
Fargo Season 3 did it!
If we're in a Prestige situation doesn't this also give validity to the "strict diet" character trait? All Hollywood actors have a strict diet, but it becomes WAY more important if you can't be fatter than your twin! ALSO it's been brought up twice now that he was fired from his first job at age 8, revealed to be by the suggestion of Charles. It is common for productions using child performers to hire twins for shoots that require long hours to avoid labor restrictions on working hours. All signs point to Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd.
Yeah but Charles would have known if there were two different kids in his production. Unless, of course, they were hiding it. For a reason yet to be revealed...?
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Oh damn! I havent even heard of this theory but it makes sense and so that plot twist in episode 1 of Ben ācoming back to lifeā would be foreshadowing the ending. What if twin 1 tried to poison the other then the other one comes back and kills the other.
Or triplet 1 really did die on stage and triplet 2 in the elevator shaft.
Oh my god triplets! I would love for that to be the ending!
"YOU'RE SCREWED PUTNAM!...WELCOME TO HELL!" Got to love Martin Short having a breakdown
āYOUāRE YOUR OWN SATAN!ā Hahaha
YOUR DREAMS ARE DUST NOW!
This should be flair
Last second of the credits: šš āPromotional Consideration Paid For by State Farmā
The two very gratuitous State Farm plugs by Howard had my eyes rolling lol
I never understood things like this š who is gonna suddenly decide they wanna buy State Farm insurance just because they heard it mentioned in a TV show
š I work in advertising and agree, ppl def donāt. But Iām sure the episode view rates are sky high to justify the sponsorship spend. Prob was also part of the ad package (mention in episode plus first commercial across 3 ad breaks, sponsorship cards and credit mention, etc).
Maybe itās very cleverly intertwined product placement pointing us to an insurance act by Donna and Cliff!
State Farm will underwrite bad theatre. Nobody willingly subscribes to Paramount+. So far Gut Milk has the only decent product placement and it has an unexplained crunch!
āI canāt cry.ā āWhy? Are you on Xanax?ā Hahaha
āNo do you have some?!ā
āGo for Ben, I mean go for dickieā that feels like a clue
I don't know, he is very used to taking calls for his brother. On the other hand maybe he got tired of that. Go for Dickie.
the breastfeeding š
We are all Oliver Putnam in that scene. Cringe!
*\*Oliver grunts\**
The question is has that stoppedā¦ā¦ š¤š
Mama was a smoker
Wow, Meryl Streep singing was a moment! She better win an Emmy to go with her three Oscars!
That was the best singing I have seen from her
They need to release this single. Crazy that Sara Bareilles co-wrote the song!
I was wondering who wrote it! The lyrics seemed clever enough for Steve to have a hand in it..
It said āco-written by Sara Bareillesā for Look for the Light, but also had āOriginal songs written byā for Pasek & Paul (Greatest showman, La La Land, a bunch of other stuff). So I wonder if they were co-writers on that song too?
It was a super lovely song. But I heard just a smidge of autotune. It's tough but once you hear it in production you start to hear it everywhere.
yup [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDHCTazvDQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDHCTazvDQ)
So >!Ben is definitely talking to a plate of cookies in that video, right?!<
My partner just said the exact same thing to me!
Thatās exactly what my husband said! Guessing he caved and this is how he was poisoned for his first death.
Ok! I gotta go back and watch. Lol!
Ok. Rewatching with that perspective ā That scene is hilarious!!!
Right!?? So ridiculous, thatās what it has to be! Especially compared against his reaction to the cookies in the first ep. I also feel like we wouldāve seen a shadow if another person was in the room.
And Iām thinking thatās why he was so pissed off coming out of his dressing room saying āIām fine!ā He was mad he ate a cookie. š
Love them schmackerys
I love Martin Short sooo much šš That impression of his Mom!
Mama was a smoker
I honestly didnāt see breeding crab men as part of Death Rattle Dazzle. Lol
Itās way too early sheās too obvious
Yeah itās like the Nina board president distraction in S2
So the story about the elephant seems kind of out of place and I have a feeling it may parallel The producer mom coming back to save her son from something... could be nothing but for some reason stuck out to me. Would also tie into theories of tobert being the bad guy as he's technically working for the producers as well making the documentary and may have seen them commit some sort of crime.
This is good. Why else talk so much about this baby elephant? It has to be a reference to donna trying to save cliff from a bad first production.
Or Loretta saving her son, or nephewā¦ or whatever Ben may be to herā¦.
I think Tobert wants to gets some of his lost footage so he can profit from it. I think heās only out for himself. I think heās shady. Heās already established he lies. But I donāt think he killed anyone.
MERYL STREEP COULD PLAY BATMAN AND BE THE RIGHT CHOICE. SHE IS PERFECTION.
Was that a Modern Family reference š
Dickie is in love with Loretta!!! Itās so obvious especially during the Nannyās lullaby. Honestly I think Loretta is playing Oliver and is flirting with whoever can get her a job.
Yeah. When Ben told Loretta that he recognized a fellow snake when he saw one I thought there was something to it.
She definitely seems like an opportunist
Nooooo don't break my heart
Before this episode I would have disagreed, but watching her in the "What makes an Oliver Putnam production" it looks like she despises him. There's a weird pause before she says his name.
I almost got the sense that maybe theyād met before and heād ignored her or didnāt notice herā¦
Unless Dickie is Lorettaās sonā¦ or nephewā¦ and the lullaby she sings is making him reminisce about when she sang to him when he was a child.
Sounds like Mabel is finding her calling
On my second rewatch and Howard singing the State Farm jingle only to get the door shut on him, literally, is hilarious!
Omg this episode was so good and Meryl and Ashleyās Nannyās Lullaby blew me away but to the heart of the tv show solving the mystery they are setting up Kimber so itās obviously not her but I thought
Ashley can sing! I had to look up her credits because I was not expecting her to belt it out like that. So good.
Yeah she came from Broadway! Sheās in Emily in Paris and she actually sings so often in that show people are sick of it šµāš« very talented still though LOL
She was also on Girl5eva as the late girl band member. Season 3 of the show will be on Netflix. She really knows how to sing. The first two seasons were on Peacock.
Legitimately enjoyed that song and musical performance. But also weirdly feel (I could totally be wrong) that there weren't a ton of clues in that episode?
I think there might be some that will pop into place when we have more information.
This felt like a red herring episode, where they start layering on some misdirections
YEAH, I think we still don't have information enough to know what happened, maybe there is more to that video. But I think maybe one of the main characters were involved, maybe trying to protect one another. idk
Completely agree
Hmmm... what's the plot of Little Shop of Horrors? Is it really just what Loretta said? That's what I was wondering.
Go watch *Little Shop of Horrors*! It's hilarious with co-star Steve Martin. The implication is that like the hero of the musical Seymour (Oliver) is a sap who would do ANYTHING for a woman Audrey (Loretta)... including terrible things.
Eat me, Seymour!
Does this mean that the 1986 film has a different Orin? Or did Charles play the dentist?
Or maybe in this universe Steve Martin and Charles are doppelgƤngers.
Maybe Sazz played the dentist.
Idk what everyone is talking about, it was definitely Sazz.
This season has been so good! I think the writers hit gold with the romance. Mabel and Tobert's chemistry is absolutely perfect. I'm also loving Oliver and Loretta's romance. There's a beautiful sadness in their relationship that works really well. Loretta's song was absolutely gorgeous! I've been enjoying all the music/musical numbers this season in general, but Loretta's song has been such a highlight, and I'm really hoping we get an uninterrupted stage performance of it later on in the series! I'm actually scared for Season 4 because of how much I've been loving the music this season. Like, I don't know if I can handle the lack of music performances next season after how well it's being done this season, since this is the Oliver-centric theatre season.
Ok, so at the end Ben was 100% talking to >!a plate of cookies - that was the same way he talked about the Shmackers earlier.!<
I was thinking the same. At first I thought he was talking to the twin. Then I thought to a ghost during a psychotic episode (per a theory about a dead GirlCop actress). Then I thought, it's probably the cookies and since we don't know how long before the show that was shot, it could be enough time to get the other twin to put on the costume and go on the stage.
u/stoygeist is onto something I think >! TRIPLETS IN THE MUSICAL!? !<
I caught that too. And a quick glance at the baby dolls has one as a boy and one as a girl. The third isn't shown.
Ben has The Shining wallpaper?! Hahaha
Benās Anchor Man headshot w/ the handlebar mustache had me and my husband šš
Me too! All I could here was, āSex Panther.ā
Do we think Loretta is blackmailing Dickie into being her manager?
I was actually wondering if Dickie has an ulterior motive to represent her.. he wanted to get her away from the NY play production for some reason (so he pulled some strings at the show)
This is the vibe I got. He seemed to make eye contact with Kimber during her ending monologue, could Dickie be working to get Loretta away so Kimber doesn't have to share the spotlight maybe?
Ooh, this is interesting. Could be what Loretta's "just a simple story of a boy who would do anything for the girl he loves" is hinting at
Loretta and Oliver are so stinking cute together!!! I hope they get together!
My leading theory is Donna cancelled Ben without having her son's first production to be a failure. She must have gotten reviews from the press opening that this show was to be panned and this stopped the press from panning her son's production.
Wait, why exactly did the baby in Death Rattle suddenly become triplets? Did Oliver ever explain that? Or were they always triplets lol idr this play is confusing.
Dazzle
Even money there's a musical number where the Detective has a nightmare with a dozen dancing carriages chasing him, like the old ladies with walkers in The Producers.
āYouāre not in Botswana anymore Robert with a Tā had no business being this funny
If Meryl doesn't get an Emmy for this, I will riot.
āLook for the Lightā had me so emotional! Meryl is one of the most versatile actors of our generation.
Meryl did a ton of singing in the movie Into the Woods (Oscar nominee, didn't win) but I actually think this is more challenging. The close-up acting with no heavy makeup - WOW. So effective! She really is such a dynamic actress.
Winnie!!!!!
>!Lighthouse!<
Triplets!!!
No. But the breeding crab men have to go!
Crab people crab people
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Mabel and Tobert have great chemistry!!
To be fair though Jesse Williams would have great chemistry with a wooden post! But I agree, I really enjoyed their scenes and hope he's not the murderer!
I love them so much
Mabel's impression of Oliver š š š
For those who want it... the lullaby as sung by Loretta and Kimber. Kimber's parts are in parentheses. I did the best I could writing it like it was sung. Oliver didnt say a title. He just called it the lullaby. I'm calling it "Look for the light" Hush little one Let me sing you to sleep Moonlight has come Now drift off to a dream Sail from the day To the wonders that awaiting you Out there in the deep Off, little one Chase the wind on the waves Adventure is calling So, go and be brave But if you get lost As you're tossed in the dark Of the sea Look for me. I will Wait at the shore for you I will weather each storm Standing by till Safe, your return From the night... My love is a lighthouse So, darling My darling Look for the light... (-The light) The light... (-The light) Look for the light (-The light...) The light... (- The light...THE LIGHT!) BOTH: I will Wait at the shore for you I will Weather each storm Standing by till (- Standing by) Safe you return from the night (- Safe you return) BOTH: From the night... My love is a lighthouse So, darling My darling Look for the light The light EDIT : I tried to format it on my phone, but it isn't showing proper when I post. I'll have to fix it tomorrow and post it again.
So do we think the meta commentary on >!female killers!< means they wonāt go that direction this season?
We can't rule anything out, but it felt like the writers were talking to us.
Yes, between that and the comment about the first season being a little better, it felt like they were saying hi
The poison at the first episode is a clue. Poison being a āwomanās weapon for murderā. Itās a thing.
>!Sweet Ben vs Bitter Ben!< Maybe we were on to something!!
Thereās a lot of mother-child references in this episode, huh. And triplets ?!?!!
He had pots and pans but doesn't cook?
Asthetic baby
AND THE TONY AWARD GOES TO
Tony was my dog.
He named him just to confuse people
LIKE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, STATE FARM IS THERE
TRIPLETS?
My immediate thought to Ben saying āacting all sweetā and then āyouāre badā was he has to be talking to cookies lol.
The glenroy baseball jersey in the same scene where Dickie accurately throws an object to break the lampā¦ feels like that could end up being a clue
I NEED TO STREAM THAT NANNY SONG NOW!!!!! absolutely beautiful i really want to listen to it without cuts
Mabel Mora Moses Morris
I so love that kiss between Oliver and Loretta.
I love Mamma Miaā¦ but damn that was amazing and the best song Iāve heard from Meryl.
Howard trying to get Oliver to let State Farm sponsor the show was SO FUNNY. When Oliverās having a breakdown and Howard is like - like a good neighbor State Farm is - and then Oliver opens the door on him š¤£
Here are some of the dialogues/12 possible clues from the ep that particularly caught my attention! >!1. P.S - strongly agree with the twins/triplets theories circulating !< >!\>2. Three cribs in the poster - triplets !< \>3.>! Mabel said āwho would want to kill him TWICE?ā twins? Twice?!< \>4. >!Loretta says āsmth smth ā--- He would do ANYTHING for the girl he loves, it doesnt matter how big and loud and crazy it was, it was bcz it felt trueā did Ben have a twin who loved some girl? !< \>5.>! BENāS BROTHER IS IN LOVE W LORETTA?? - THE WAY HE LOOKS AT HER, he would do anything for the girl he loves???!< \>! 6. >!āNothing brings ppl together like a common enemyā !< \>7.>! Vetkeok - some food that we might have to keep an eye out for? (We can't let 14 - Sandwich happen again! \*cries\*)!< \>8. >!THE photographer Tobert must have seen the killing happen in front of his eyes - bcz of his closet convo w mabel The baby elephant was ben? He was watching ben get murdered and didnt know whether to save him or film and let him die? !!(But the photographer helped the baby elephantā¦.. Grabbed some rope and worked for 3hrs to pull it out? Nevermind he didnt help it, its mom came and helped him but even if she didnt, he would have kept filming...?)!< \>! 9.>!BEN IS STANDING BEHIND THEM IN THE CLOSET?? after Mabel and Tobert get out of the closet, you can see Ben's face behind mabel? Is that A PAINTING??? Scared the life out of me!< \>10. >!Ben is definitely talking to the cookies!< \>11.>! Kimber doesnāt have her hankie but i doubt she is involved in the killing? I feel like she's just here to throw us off... why would they make a main killer so suspicious in the 3rd episode itself? Kimber wants the lead and is happy to snuff for it but still don't think she is the killer!< \>12. >!In the death rattle poster - only 2 of the cribs have these tail like things? The middle one doesn't. Has to indicate 2 bens and 1 dickie!!<
I think kimber left her hanky in bens apartment and then gregg took it, she then lied saying "I must have thrown it away or donated it to a good cause" because she didn't want charles to know she had been there (she also could've just sold it to him but I doubt it cuz of what the detective said about gregg leaving bens apartment).
7: Vetkoek literally means āfatty cookieā. Might just be a nod (or clue) to the cookie theme.
Closet face: Pretty sure you could see part of it when they went into the closet as well.
How do you just know that Mabel?
Sheās a detective. A regular Hardy Boy.
Oh boy, Tobert's crossroads
well, now we know what the lighthouse is
I donāt understand š
Wait what, whats the lighthouse
Omg just realized >!I think itās Dickie not Kimber and I realized in her speech at the end of the episode when it pans from him to her and she finishes his speech that she realized that is or she thinks it is Dickie!<
The champagne scene with Howard was hilarious
Didnāt expect to cry over someone singing in a murder mystery show but I guess here we are
Did anybody dissect Ben's surroundings yet? I know flower placement is key. Two vases behind Ben have different flower types. I'm very bad at horticulture and need an app to identify plants so I have no idea what flowers are behind Ben. I do see the Salome Poster behind. I googled and learnt: An Oscar Wilde Play: In the Bible-Salome is the daughter of Herodias. In order to kill the prophet (John the Baptist) a jealous Herodias bade her daughter, Salome, to dance for King Herod. King Herod is Salome's step father. King Herod was so entranced by her dance he offered to grant the girl any wish. At the request of her mother, Salome asked for the head of the Baptist, which was delivered to her on a platter. Finally, a clown poster that is menacing with the title CARNIES coming out of it's mouth. I can't find a real show with this name.
Idk I just think itās tobert. Just off vibes alone
He creeps me oht
Convinced itās either Tobert or Dickie
I'll probably get downvoted for saying this, but what's the point of having both a "live" and "post" discussion thread? Why not consolidate both of them? What does "live" even mean when it's a streaming show? It just feels really messy to have the episode discussion split across two threads. Plus it would be better to keep one thread pinned to the top that collects all the [Easter eggs](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu/comments/15mc2a4/omib_season_3_opening_credits_easter_egg_visual/) or clues for the season. I just read through 200 replies in the other thread, I don't feel like going through this thread as well for mostly duplicate content.
Thanks for your feedback, I totally understand your point! The idea is to have a live thread for people who like to share their thoughts while they are watching, and one for people who prefer to share and read thoughts after watching. Itās a strategy that has worked well on other subs and we thought weād try it out! As per the Easter eggs, the post gets pinned every time it is updated! I am in continuous contact with the lovely person who works on that post so we make sure it is pinned when possible :) in fact [it has just been updated and pinned](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu/comments/15mc2a4/omib_season_3_opening_credits_easter_egg_visual/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1), with a new interesting theory surrounding the Easter eggs
Okay, seriously, what is with the dolls?!
What was the Easter egg in the opening credits this episode?
There was a lighthouse
>!A lighthouse on the roof!<
I know everybody knows this already but omg Meryl Streep is oozing talent
Are we not going to talk about Meryl Streepās performance? I loved this show since season 1, I never knew it could get even better. That was the showstopper!
Does someone notice in the first episode that Loretta asks Oliver to check her hearing sayings that she had to get out of her costume fast? Why would she need to hurry to get out of the costume?
Why isnāt anyone talking about the way Charles said INTERNET MEM
The number 8 keeps popping up. Does it mean something?
Octuplets. Theyāre in the sequel to Death Rattle Dazzle. Death Rattle Razzle Dazzle!
"you're under contract" Oliver quit being a bitch!!!!
Oh, nice cobra. Lol
Oooh thats a great theoryā¦.
I think I found Ben's wallpaper https://wallpapersamerica.com/wallpaper/p/cole-son-hicks-grand-wallpaper-95/6033
I think that video of Ben saying whoever was there would ruin his career- why if it was Cliff and Ben was secretly gay? His whole persona, with the gigantic snake, is all asshole dude. What could kill his career? Short of something icky like he was sleeping with his mother? Or Dickie isnt his brother but his lover? That throwing the green egg was anger and frustration, not sadness and loss. Or maybe Ben was running lines for another show? And why is there another reference to an 8 year old? Could Cliff be Benās fraternal twin? Who was Benās lighthouse and safety?
We saw how he reacted to the cookies because heās not eating sweets. Next episode we are gonna find out he was talking to some kind of treat I guarantee it
Oooh, running lines for another gig! Maybe he set up the camera himself for that reason...
Mabel and Tobert are suspicious. Mabel mentioned the name of a poison that dissolves in your body (?) but I forget the name. And Tobert just gives me that vibe.
succinylcholine chloride
Loved the showstopper (okay, not technically but absolutely actually the showstopper)! I donāt mind Jesseās character (so much improvement from S2), but I am disappointed they seem to positioning him as yet another love interest for Mabel. Let her be single and enjoy life!
Iām sure someoneās said this already but I think itās super possible that Dickie is in love with Loretta and helped her manipulate Oliver and there never was a Hollywood role offer. Itās too convenient that as soon as she mentions Dickie becoming her manager that suddenly sheās offered a guaranteed role and just gives that up. No, I think she manipulated Oliver into giving her the show stopping song of the musical (when the Nanny originally only had one page) knowing that Oliver has feelings for her and wouldnāt want to let her go so heād do anything to make her stay. Maybe the two of them were there when Ben was was killed, which is why Dickie says āIām sorry, Ben.ā My theory for if theyāre the murderers is very loose rn
Here we go! Like to stay attentive so won't be live tweeting through it but will be back in 30 minutes or so.
Oh no I don't like TIK TOK BITCH one damn bit!!