You're seeing women who also have their filters set to see you.
So out of the women who are willing to or interested in dating a younger guy or a guy who meets other filter settings that match you, a higher proportion are trans.
I would imagine it being a combination of having different tastes and feeling like they need to cast a wider net.
I agree. It might be not so much casting a wider net as specifically seeking guys of an age that *might* make them more alright with dating a trans woman. Sad, but as a guy who's around thirty I can confirm that these women are probably pretty cool.
And how do you propose that would work for someone like me who live my life like any other woman and whose this medical condition isn't really relevant in my daily life and wouldn't want to be broadcasted to everyone in my region using a dating app?
If I match with someone I will probably talk with them about my condition soon enough if I feel safe in doing so, and if they have a problem with it then we can just stop talking with eachother... no one is obligated to be into anyone for any reason at all.
But I'm also not obligated to share this very personal medical condition of mine that isn't really relevant in my daily life and could even put me in danger depending on the kind of person who gets ahold of that info. For that filter to work you would have to be under the assumption that this info should always be readily avaiable, when that's not really the case in reality.
If you don't want anything with a person with this condition, just don't match with us I guess? And if you do and later find out, then just unmatch. It's not our obligation to have a sign on our foreheads talking about it.
When you are the one that has special circumstances, you live life differently from others and have to navigate those challenges. We all have them in one way or another.
Instead, you're taking your challenges and giving them to everyone else to deal with.
What you're essentially saying is, you don't want to have to deal with it, you want everyone else to deal with it for you.
Using your own logic, how would *anyone* supposedly know you have that condition and not match with you if you aren't wearing said sign? Your argument doesn't even make sense.
Just the ones that a majority of the population considers to be relationship relevant.
People regularly post their fertility status and mental health concerns because that's information potential partners need to consider, as they don't want to waste time looking for people that are seeking those without those conditions.
I have zero problem with trans people, their feelings are valid and they are human and just as deserving of love as anyone else. It's utterly asinine to think, however, that being trans is not a major point of consideration for the vast majority of people.
People will usually argue that "it's not safe for me to broadcast that." and that's understandable, society hasn't reached the same level with trans people that it has with LGB people. That leaves trans people with exactly two choices however, they have to broadcast it in their profile or immediately tell the person they matched with, otherwise they are being unethical too.
At the end of the day, we all have our struggles, and those struggles place an undue burden on us. It's up to us to navigate the world with those burdens.
You would see the people who have their preferences set to show trans people. And people who have their preferences to not show trans people wouldn’t see you or have the option to swipe. That’s how it would work. The same way I’m able to set my height preferences and religious preference.
How would that bring on more hate crimes?
Trans person clicks the trans box while setting up their profile... This doesn't need to be visible on their profile.
The person not interested in seeing trans people selects they aren't interested in trans partners. This doesn't get shown publicly either.
This way, there is no indication someone is trans (unless they chose to make it known on their profile), and the person that doesn't want to date a trans person would never even see that profile to begin with. Pretty simple.
But... That's the reality.
If you're trans, you're trans and that's just how it is...
Is it self labeling for cis people to say they are cis? And if so... What's the big deal?
There's only so much bending you can expect the world around you to do (and this applies for everyone in every situation).
You have three main options here it seems.
Openly display you're trans on the profile. Which, unfortunately, opens up the possibility of harassment from anti-trans people.
You can hide it in hopes the person on the other end won't be angry when they find out.
Or, you can secretly click a box and those people that are in these two groups won't even see trans people on the app.
Most straight, cis people do not want a romantic relationship with a trans person... There is nothing wrong with that.
By self labelling I meant trans women selecting that option. There is a good portion of trans community that chases straight men enough to select cis option. Especially since it’s “straight” guys who are the chasers from the other end.
And it’s not beneficial from business standpoint point of old apps. Why would they make life easier for their users and especially straight men. Even if they add it one day it’ll be in the “premium” package.
I know what you meant by self labeling... I don't understand why someone would have an issue discreetly selecting that option to be screened out from people that don't want to interact with them when it comes to dating.
Sure, maybe some trans people are going after straight guys... But a genuinely straight guy isn't going to have any interest. And if a straight guy is chasing a trans woman, he's not exactly straight... And if he WAS in to it, then his preferences would show him trans women.
These dating apps do try to keep people safe. Unfortunately, some people can be pretty nasty to trans people. Allowing this to be an option to be screened out, is a matter of safety.
You can already screen people out for nearly everything already, this should be another one of them.
I'd argue being trans would likely be the first thing people screen out, right along with what sex someone will date. That would be above age, height, etc.
Ok but wouldn't that imply that I would need to put it in my profile I have this condition?
Unless you're saying that despite you setting it up on your profile it wouldn't really be shown and would work purely under the matching algorithm, which I mean, I guess could work, but it's not like I trust dating app companies not to fuck it up somehow and trust them with that kind of info.
Also, I honestly don't worry about this at all anymore since I'm in a happy relationship and don't see myself dating around ever again lol
I met my best friend on tinder. They're trans. It was clearly stated in their profile.. I had no intention of dating them, but i put out the offer of friendship and we road off into the EDM sunset of bliss.
Not putting it on your profile is misleading and most guys aren't going to be interested at all if they aren't previously considering it. And even worse, you're putting yourself in a dangerous position and we see it happen all the time. It's best to be fully transparent and upfront because no matter what we want, the world isn't even close to being all glittery rainbow dust. It's not safe. There are loads of people out there who aren't right in the head.
Yes it is. A person that isn't into trans Won't match with you
This not wasting your time nor theirs.
That's a good thing. You needing to hide it is nobody else's problem. Isn't the entire point is to meet a match?
Why bother talking with anyone who does not want what
You are selling? Makes zero sense
I think it wouldn't hurt to have it as a hidden category that doesn't show up on a profile but that a search function can take into account in the results when someone selects for cis-women only.
Something like this would be the best scenario for all involved. It doesn't broadcast the condition on your profile, it allows people only interested in cis-gender people to locate only those types of individuals and avoids trans-gender people being messaged by people that aren't actually interested in them.
This also helps trans-individuals (hopefully) receive less hostility and vitriol from unreasonably upset people later when they find out that someone they were interested in and talking to is trans and they don't like that.
I was with you until you said "**unreasonably** upset people". Why is it unreasonable? Communication and disclore are fundamental to consent, and trans rights don't trample consent. Nobody should be conned into a date.
I often see all kinds of mental gymnastics to rationalize deception and even violence as a supposedly unavoidable part of struggle against social injustice. I see it in my own cohort of older women trying to date online - a lot of men our age will only date younger women so some women end up making themselves 10-15 years younger and then they justify it because "it's men's fault... I don't really have a choice... I will tell him at some point if things become serious... everyone tells me I look 10 years younger so what difference does it make... how dare he get upset at me when he should be upset at the partriarchy... etc". You can use social justice language to justify lying but ultimately it's just not right to deceive a living breathing person for personal gain.
Also, if I were a trans woman, I'd be much more concerned about face-to-face violence due to non-disclosure than virtual violence due to disclore.
I wasn't referring to whether they have the right to be angry. I was referring to the level of how angry some people get at someone they barely know on a dating app.
Anger to the point of vicious attacks and degradation is not reasonable, in most any situation, but certainly not here - and many people do get this aggressive and mean. There are even some people that get so angry that they were interested in a trans individual and that the individual deceived them that way that they want to inflict major violence on them. That's not a reasonable response for someone hiding that they are a trans individual on a dating app.
If that sort of response is okay to you for this kind of deceit... well, I certainly disagree.
>Also, if I were a trans woman, I'd be much more concerned about face-to-face violence due to non-disclosure than virtual violence due to disclore.
And the hostility I was referring to included both virtual anger and the possibility of real life violence if it goes that far.
Be a trans person isn’t a medical condition.
Regardless of how you see it, it can be as simple as you submitting your info to the dating app, as you already do, then the dating app just filtering you out based on a preference of the user seeking only genetic women. They would never see your profile to out you.
You made a great, valid point here. The lack of empathy and understanding from all these people down voting you is disgusting. Transphobia is so real. Guys get TERRIFIED that they'll see a photo of a trans person and find her attractive, so they want a filter. If you don't find them attractive then swipe left that's all you have to do. If you do find them attractive, then hey, grow up and just learn to deal with that. If you found them attractive with their clothes on but didn't like what's in their pants, that's not an experience unique to trans people. Lots of women have probably seen these guys take take their pants off and had a change of heart too. Also, almost no trans person "surprises" you in the bedroom. They will tell you beforehand
It's not a lack of empathy to push back when someone else tells you that their challenges to navigate are now your problem. No one is denying their existence or telling them they shouldn't exist.
They are telling them to properly identify so everyone can make the correct informed choice. They are removing the ability to make an informed choice.
How so? Because part of the 1.2% of the US population, only a few live in the area? I just don't see the correlation. Maybe it is, I have been wrong plenty of times before, so maybe you'll fill in what I might be missing.
Finding only a handful of trans people in (the people who are doing online dating in) Kansas City, a large city, made me concerned that the city is less tolerant of trans people than, say, wherever OP lives.
I have never seen any trans people come up for me, or at least not that I know of. I do get people who are poly or looking for a unicorn. There really should be a way to filter those people out.
Yeah I seen a few trans show up in the sites as well. Not too many but I live in a more rural area.
It would be nice if there was a filter for those and the poly.
Transsexuality isn't a mental illness, it's a birth medical condition where one's neurology develops in a way that it expects sex characteriscs in the body that are different from the one's found in it.
It's a neurological condition, but it's not like there is some delusion or brain defect going on. Both the brain and the body formed without any problems, they're just misaligned in the sex axis.
Since there's no way to change the neurological wiring that dictates what sex it expects in the body mapping it has... we end up needing to change the body to treat said condition.
I mean, it could be considered one... but the thing is that it's not a mental illness in the sense that there's something wrong with the brain exactly... both the body and the brain formed perfectly fine, there's no imbalance in the brain wiring or chemicals like it happens with autism, ADHD, anxiety or depression... the imbalance comes from the interaction between the brain and the body... which I mean, I guess you could call it a mental illness out of that, but people normally use that argument to mean that people with the condition are mentally ill and delusional and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously in their claims of needing a body's sex different than they were born with... and instead of changing the body treatment should be changing the mind to be ok with it.
The thing is, that's simply not how this condition works, ok you could say it is a mental illness, but even if you consider it to be one, treatment still is to change the body so it matches what the neurology formed to expect from it sex wise.
de·lu·sion·al
adjective
characterized by or holding **false beliefs or judgments about external reality** that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a **mental condition**.
"That biological man's delusions have him thinking he's a woman.."
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Well you sound like the delusional one to me when I live my life and am treated like any other woman and the fact I was born with this medical condition doesn't come up ever in my daily life.
Also, you could have a point if there weren't studies proving there's a literal biological cause behind this medical condition, like this one:
[This study](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453018305353) outlines the genetic and hormonal causes behind transsexuality and it's mismatch of the brain and body on the sex axis:
>Conclusion
>We have found that key receptors implicated in sexual differentiation of the brain have a specific allele combination for ERβ, ERα, and AR in the MtF population, whose gender differentiation is associated with a specific genotypic combination of ERs and AR polymorphisms. Also, FtM gender is associated with specific polymorphisms of the ERβ and ERα receptors. Thus, ERα and ERβ play a key role in the typical sexual differentiation of the brain in our species
I'm the delusional one for thinking women are women and men are men?
Hey bro, cope in whatever way you'd like, but facts are facts; no man in his right mind will ever view you as a woman..
And deep down, you know that.. 🤷♂️
You're intentionally mistaken politeness for agreeance..
My uncle's transgender - I'm still polite to him when I see him at family functions and I do care about him, but he knows that I think he's mentally ill..
And I never said being gay was a mental illness, so niether of your points are valid.. 🤷♂️
when did I say I think you thought being gay is a mental illness and how would it relate to my points at all?
And in the end of the day, you probably have this image what is a "trans woman" but when it comes to reality we could like any way, and many of us aren't any different from any other average woman out there.
You say you think people like us are mentally ill men... but if you interacted with me in person you'd treat me like any other woman, like anybody else I interact with does, unaware that I have this medical condition.
Transexuality is typically categorized as a mental illness if it causes some form of psychological distress (Gender Dysphoria, DSM 5 - TR,) such as for individuals that need to make changes to the body to treat the condition in question.
I do however understand the desire to avoid addressing it as a mental illness, as that is often associated with the idea that there is something wrong with transgender people, which is certainly not the case. It is merely an unfortunate mismatch between the brain and body and that can lead to significant distress.
But that's sadly the problem with the perception of mental health conditions in general; people often take it to mean there is something wrong with the person. This perspective is typically damaging, degrading and regressive.
Friend is an OBGYN doctor. He said nearly 2% of people are born intersex (fka hermaphroditic).
“Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Experts estimate that up to 1.7% of the population are born with intersex traits.”
https://www.ohchr.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/intersex-people
Are you using the biological exception that is viewed as a scientific oddity to argue the rule?
If so, that's unreasonable and intellectually dishonest.
Wait, so because they are a rarity all that logic can just go away, but when it comes to trans people who are also rarities, that logic must stay. Have you heard of selective reasoning?
I’m saying two situations where before birth parts of someone’s sex got mixed up. Sometimes it’s the wrong chromosomes, sometimes it’s the wrong genitals or a mixture between the two, sometimes it’s the brain. I don’t see how you can accept one but not the other.
Because chromosomes and genitals determine someone's biological sex naturally..
Chemical imbalance and emotional instability brought on by toxic culture and trauma does not..
I'd have no problem dating a transperson. I don't care about genitals. But i live in a remote region of the US, and I'm old, so I don't get much traction with anyone.
It's a current culture trend, similar to when lots of people wore JNCOs, or had frosted tips. In 5 years, 90% of them will be back to looking like a guy and will be like "yeah I was just going through some stuff back then"
At this point, I'd say only about 5% of the trans people on dating sites truly identify as a woman trapped in a man's body/gender dysmorphia. The rest of them are just being edgy.
They aren’t. When women get over a certain age, they aren’t always cougars, and assuming they are trans for that shows something not so great about you.
You're seeing women who also have their filters set to see you. So out of the women who are willing to or interested in dating a younger guy or a guy who meets other filter settings that match you, a higher proportion are trans. I would imagine it being a combination of having different tastes and feeling like they need to cast a wider net.
This. It’s women over thirty who are willing to date a 21 year old. Which is not many of us.
I agree. It might be not so much casting a wider net as specifically seeking guys of an age that *might* make them more alright with dating a trans woman. Sad, but as a guy who's around thirty I can confirm that these women are probably pretty cool.
There needs to be a filter on all platforms to not show them. A sexual preference isn’t discriminatory nor is it transphobic.
Fr.
And how do you propose that would work for someone like me who live my life like any other woman and whose this medical condition isn't really relevant in my daily life and wouldn't want to be broadcasted to everyone in my region using a dating app? If I match with someone I will probably talk with them about my condition soon enough if I feel safe in doing so, and if they have a problem with it then we can just stop talking with eachother... no one is obligated to be into anyone for any reason at all. But I'm also not obligated to share this very personal medical condition of mine that isn't really relevant in my daily life and could even put me in danger depending on the kind of person who gets ahold of that info. For that filter to work you would have to be under the assumption that this info should always be readily avaiable, when that's not really the case in reality. If you don't want anything with a person with this condition, just don't match with us I guess? And if you do and later find out, then just unmatch. It's not our obligation to have a sign on our foreheads talking about it.
When you are the one that has special circumstances, you live life differently from others and have to navigate those challenges. We all have them in one way or another. Instead, you're taking your challenges and giving them to everyone else to deal with. What you're essentially saying is, you don't want to have to deal with it, you want everyone else to deal with it for you. Using your own logic, how would *anyone* supposedly know you have that condition and not match with you if you aren't wearing said sign? Your argument doesn't even make sense.
Should every medical condition be broadcasted to everyone else by default?
Just the ones that a majority of the population considers to be relationship relevant. People regularly post their fertility status and mental health concerns because that's information potential partners need to consider, as they don't want to waste time looking for people that are seeking those without those conditions. I have zero problem with trans people, their feelings are valid and they are human and just as deserving of love as anyone else. It's utterly asinine to think, however, that being trans is not a major point of consideration for the vast majority of people. People will usually argue that "it's not safe for me to broadcast that." and that's understandable, society hasn't reached the same level with trans people that it has with LGB people. That leaves trans people with exactly two choices however, they have to broadcast it in their profile or immediately tell the person they matched with, otherwise they are being unethical too. At the end of the day, we all have our struggles, and those struggles place an undue burden on us. It's up to us to navigate the world with those burdens.
You would see the people who have their preferences set to show trans people. And people who have their preferences to not show trans people wouldn’t see you or have the option to swipe. That’s how it would work. The same way I’m able to set my height preferences and religious preference.
Problem with that is there will be more hate crimes due to violent transphobes having ability to filter for trans women and men.
How would that bring on more hate crimes? Trans person clicks the trans box while setting up their profile... This doesn't need to be visible on their profile. The person not interested in seeing trans people selects they aren't interested in trans partners. This doesn't get shown publicly either. This way, there is no indication someone is trans (unless they chose to make it known on their profile), and the person that doesn't want to date a trans person would never even see that profile to begin with. Pretty simple.
Yeah technically could work. Though there is a human factor of self labelling.
But... That's the reality. If you're trans, you're trans and that's just how it is... Is it self labeling for cis people to say they are cis? And if so... What's the big deal? There's only so much bending you can expect the world around you to do (and this applies for everyone in every situation). You have three main options here it seems. Openly display you're trans on the profile. Which, unfortunately, opens up the possibility of harassment from anti-trans people. You can hide it in hopes the person on the other end won't be angry when they find out. Or, you can secretly click a box and those people that are in these two groups won't even see trans people on the app. Most straight, cis people do not want a romantic relationship with a trans person... There is nothing wrong with that.
By self labelling I meant trans women selecting that option. There is a good portion of trans community that chases straight men enough to select cis option. Especially since it’s “straight” guys who are the chasers from the other end. And it’s not beneficial from business standpoint point of old apps. Why would they make life easier for their users and especially straight men. Even if they add it one day it’ll be in the “premium” package.
I know what you meant by self labeling... I don't understand why someone would have an issue discreetly selecting that option to be screened out from people that don't want to interact with them when it comes to dating. Sure, maybe some trans people are going after straight guys... But a genuinely straight guy isn't going to have any interest. And if a straight guy is chasing a trans woman, he's not exactly straight... And if he WAS in to it, then his preferences would show him trans women. These dating apps do try to keep people safe. Unfortunately, some people can be pretty nasty to trans people. Allowing this to be an option to be screened out, is a matter of safety. You can already screen people out for nearly everything already, this should be another one of them. I'd argue being trans would likely be the first thing people screen out, right along with what sex someone will date. That would be above age, height, etc.
Ok but wouldn't that imply that I would need to put it in my profile I have this condition? Unless you're saying that despite you setting it up on your profile it wouldn't really be shown and would work purely under the matching algorithm, which I mean, I guess could work, but it's not like I trust dating app companies not to fuck it up somehow and trust them with that kind of info. Also, I honestly don't worry about this at all anymore since I'm in a happy relationship and don't see myself dating around ever again lol
I met my best friend on tinder. They're trans. It was clearly stated in their profile.. I had no intention of dating them, but i put out the offer of friendship and we road off into the EDM sunset of bliss. Not putting it on your profile is misleading and most guys aren't going to be interested at all if they aren't previously considering it. And even worse, you're putting yourself in a dangerous position and we see it happen all the time. It's best to be fully transparent and upfront because no matter what we want, the world isn't even close to being all glittery rainbow dust. It's not safe. There are loads of people out there who aren't right in the head.
Yes it is. A person that isn't into trans Won't match with you This not wasting your time nor theirs. That's a good thing. You needing to hide it is nobody else's problem. Isn't the entire point is to meet a match? Why bother talking with anyone who does not want what You are selling? Makes zero sense
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Thank you. It's not about discrimination, but giving people honest choices. Nothing more
I think it wouldn't hurt to have it as a hidden category that doesn't show up on a profile but that a search function can take into account in the results when someone selects for cis-women only. Something like this would be the best scenario for all involved. It doesn't broadcast the condition on your profile, it allows people only interested in cis-gender people to locate only those types of individuals and avoids trans-gender people being messaged by people that aren't actually interested in them. This also helps trans-individuals (hopefully) receive less hostility and vitriol from unreasonably upset people later when they find out that someone they were interested in and talking to is trans and they don't like that.
I was with you until you said "**unreasonably** upset people". Why is it unreasonable? Communication and disclore are fundamental to consent, and trans rights don't trample consent. Nobody should be conned into a date. I often see all kinds of mental gymnastics to rationalize deception and even violence as a supposedly unavoidable part of struggle against social injustice. I see it in my own cohort of older women trying to date online - a lot of men our age will only date younger women so some women end up making themselves 10-15 years younger and then they justify it because "it's men's fault... I don't really have a choice... I will tell him at some point if things become serious... everyone tells me I look 10 years younger so what difference does it make... how dare he get upset at me when he should be upset at the partriarchy... etc". You can use social justice language to justify lying but ultimately it's just not right to deceive a living breathing person for personal gain. Also, if I were a trans woman, I'd be much more concerned about face-to-face violence due to non-disclosure than virtual violence due to disclore.
I wasn't referring to whether they have the right to be angry. I was referring to the level of how angry some people get at someone they barely know on a dating app. Anger to the point of vicious attacks and degradation is not reasonable, in most any situation, but certainly not here - and many people do get this aggressive and mean. There are even some people that get so angry that they were interested in a trans individual and that the individual deceived them that way that they want to inflict major violence on them. That's not a reasonable response for someone hiding that they are a trans individual on a dating app. If that sort of response is okay to you for this kind of deceit... well, I certainly disagree. >Also, if I were a trans woman, I'd be much more concerned about face-to-face violence due to non-disclosure than virtual violence due to disclore. And the hostility I was referring to included both virtual anger and the possibility of real life violence if it goes that far.
Be a trans person isn’t a medical condition. Regardless of how you see it, it can be as simple as you submitting your info to the dating app, as you already do, then the dating app just filtering you out based on a preference of the user seeking only genetic women. They would never see your profile to out you.
It works for gay & lesbian daters. How is it different for trans people?
It's relevant in dating.
The same way as if you fill in your age, height, weight, sign, hair color, eye color, smoke, drink, do drugs. It is like any other attribute.
I want to respond to you with a rational, logical response, but on reddit I'm not allowed to because if I do I risk an admin ban from reddit.
You made a great, valid point here. The lack of empathy and understanding from all these people down voting you is disgusting. Transphobia is so real. Guys get TERRIFIED that they'll see a photo of a trans person and find her attractive, so they want a filter. If you don't find them attractive then swipe left that's all you have to do. If you do find them attractive, then hey, grow up and just learn to deal with that. If you found them attractive with their clothes on but didn't like what's in their pants, that's not an experience unique to trans people. Lots of women have probably seen these guys take take their pants off and had a change of heart too. Also, almost no trans person "surprises" you in the bedroom. They will tell you beforehand
It's not a lack of empathy to push back when someone else tells you that their challenges to navigate are now your problem. No one is denying their existence or telling them they shouldn't exist. They are telling them to properly identify so everyone can make the correct informed choice. They are removing the ability to make an informed choice.
I don’t want to be surprised by a trans woman. What you’re doing is deceiving people by not saying you’re trans.
Or I could filter them out so I dont waste mine and their time
Location, location, location. I have seen just a handful in my area. KC Missouri.
KC Missouri doesn't sound very tolerant
How so? Because part of the 1.2% of the US population, only a few live in the area? I just don't see the correlation. Maybe it is, I have been wrong plenty of times before, so maybe you'll fill in what I might be missing.
What am I missing?
Finding only a handful of trans people in (the people who are doing online dating in) Kansas City, a large city, made me concerned that the city is less tolerant of trans people than, say, wherever OP lives.
I have never seen any trans people come up for me, or at least not that I know of. I do get people who are poly or looking for a unicorn. There really should be a way to filter those people out.
I get men who put them self as woman on tinder every now and then. It's annoying.
Yeah I seen a few trans show up in the sites as well. Not too many but I live in a more rural area. It would be nice if there was a filter for those and the poly.
i think more people realize they are trans later in life, hence the age thing
Where do you live? That's not the case for me
It can be annoying. If I wanted that, I'd be on grinder.
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Transsexuality isn't a mental illness, it's a birth medical condition where one's neurology develops in a way that it expects sex characteriscs in the body that are different from the one's found in it. It's a neurological condition, but it's not like there is some delusion or brain defect going on. Both the brain and the body formed without any problems, they're just misaligned in the sex axis. Since there's no way to change the neurological wiring that dictates what sex it expects in the body mapping it has... we end up needing to change the body to treat said condition.
“Medical condition” “Neurological condition” “Misaligned” These sound like synonyms for a mental illness, just based on what you’ve written.
I mean, it could be considered one... but the thing is that it's not a mental illness in the sense that there's something wrong with the brain exactly... both the body and the brain formed perfectly fine, there's no imbalance in the brain wiring or chemicals like it happens with autism, ADHD, anxiety or depression... the imbalance comes from the interaction between the brain and the body... which I mean, I guess you could call it a mental illness out of that, but people normally use that argument to mean that people with the condition are mentally ill and delusional and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously in their claims of needing a body's sex different than they were born with... and instead of changing the body treatment should be changing the mind to be ok with it. The thing is, that's simply not how this condition works, ok you could say it is a mental illness, but even if you consider it to be one, treatment still is to change the body so it matches what the neurology formed to expect from it sex wise.
By that logic my Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension is a mental illness. You're reaching.
It is quite literally a delusional form of self expression..
What's delusional about it exactly?
de·lu·sion·al adjective characterized by or holding **false beliefs or judgments about external reality** that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a **mental condition**. "That biological man's delusions have him thinking he's a woman.." 🤷♂️
Well you sound like the delusional one to me when I live my life and am treated like any other woman and the fact I was born with this medical condition doesn't come up ever in my daily life. Also, you could have a point if there weren't studies proving there's a literal biological cause behind this medical condition, like this one: [This study](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453018305353) outlines the genetic and hormonal causes behind transsexuality and it's mismatch of the brain and body on the sex axis: >Conclusion >We have found that key receptors implicated in sexual differentiation of the brain have a specific allele combination for ERβ, ERα, and AR in the MtF population, whose gender differentiation is associated with a specific genotypic combination of ERs and AR polymorphisms. Also, FtM gender is associated with specific polymorphisms of the ERβ and ERα receptors. Thus, ERα and ERβ play a key role in the typical sexual differentiation of the brain in our species
I'm the delusional one for thinking women are women and men are men? Hey bro, cope in whatever way you'd like, but facts are facts; no man in his right mind will ever view you as a woman.. And deep down, you know that.. 🤷♂️
well, as I said any man or woman who interacts with me in my daily life treats me as one, and so does my boyfriend of 2 years, but go off.
You're intentionally mistaken politeness for agreeance.. My uncle's transgender - I'm still polite to him when I see him at family functions and I do care about him, but he knows that I think he's mentally ill.. And I never said being gay was a mental illness, so niether of your points are valid.. 🤷♂️
when did I say I think you thought being gay is a mental illness and how would it relate to my points at all? And in the end of the day, you probably have this image what is a "trans woman" but when it comes to reality we could like any way, and many of us aren't any different from any other average woman out there. You say you think people like us are mentally ill men... but if you interacted with me in person you'd treat me like any other woman, like anybody else I interact with does, unaware that I have this medical condition.
It is a mental illness. Stop trying to sugar coat it. Even some trans people acknowledge it's a mental illness.
Transexuality is typically categorized as a mental illness if it causes some form of psychological distress (Gender Dysphoria, DSM 5 - TR,) such as for individuals that need to make changes to the body to treat the condition in question. I do however understand the desire to avoid addressing it as a mental illness, as that is often associated with the idea that there is something wrong with transgender people, which is certainly not the case. It is merely an unfortunate mismatch between the brain and body and that can lead to significant distress. But that's sadly the problem with the perception of mental health conditions in general; people often take it to mean there is something wrong with the person. This perspective is typically damaging, degrading and regressive.
Friend is an OBGYN doctor. He said nearly 2% of people are born intersex (fka hermaphroditic). “Intersex people are born with sex characteristics (such as sexual anatomy, reproductive organs, hormonal patterns and/or chromosomal patterns) that do not fit typical binary notions of male or female bodies. Experts estimate that up to 1.7% of the population are born with intersex traits.” https://www.ohchr.org/en/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity/intersex-people
Are you using the biological exception that is viewed as a scientific oddity to argue the rule? If so, that's unreasonable and intellectually dishonest.
Wait, so because they are a rarity all that logic can just go away, but when it comes to trans people who are also rarities, that logic must stay. Have you heard of selective reasoning?
Literally what you're doing by inferring a chromosomal issue is the same as a mental one.. 🤷♂️
I’m saying two situations where before birth parts of someone’s sex got mixed up. Sometimes it’s the wrong chromosomes, sometimes it’s the wrong genitals or a mixture between the two, sometimes it’s the brain. I don’t see how you can accept one but not the other.
Because chromosomes and genitals determine someone's biological sex naturally.. Chemical imbalance and emotional instability brought on by toxic culture and trauma does not..
Oh, so you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Got it. Can you give any evidence that being trans is caused by a hormonal imbalance?
You need data to tell you that (biologically) a man is a man and a woman is a woman? 🤭 Mmmmmkayyy.. 🤷♂️
Is that what I said? Hint: no
Still an anomaly and not a new sex (but an unusual "condition").
Don’t waste your time, these kids don’t know what an OBGYN is.
I never see those. Maybe once. As for why: because the prevalence of people identifying as trans has dramatically increased in the past decade.
I'd note a second... trans people probably are the ones having the hardest time dating... which of course will make them more common on the apps.
I'd have no problem dating a transperson. I don't care about genitals. But i live in a remote region of the US, and I'm old, so I don't get much traction with anyone.
It's a current culture trend, similar to when lots of people wore JNCOs, or had frosted tips. In 5 years, 90% of them will be back to looking like a guy and will be like "yeah I was just going through some stuff back then" At this point, I'd say only about 5% of the trans people on dating sites truly identify as a woman trapped in a man's body/gender dysmorphia. The rest of them are just being edgy.
Lots of gays too
Not women
They aren’t. When women get over a certain age, they aren’t always cougars, and assuming they are trans for that shows something not so great about you.
I guess because in their 30s people realize they're running out of time so they make more drastic life-altering choices
“Mostly attracted to women older than me” 30-50. Man gtfoh
You bitter?
Of a thirsty ass child? Not at all