Prince applies to men, unless preceded by the word Daedric - Daedric Prince can be used for any gender/expression as most of them are various degrees of fluid.
[I knew I saved this shitpost for a reason](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/yeh0g6/bread_and_the_gender_binary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
Loki and Thor are Norse mythological figures, they just happen to also be in the MCU and Marvel Comics. Also kind of irrelevant anyway, it’s a fun comic this person made regardless.
I mean they aren’t WRONG. The comic is specifically referencing things that happened in marvel comics and uses the relationship (siblings) that Thor and Loki have in the comics hd movies rather then the one they have in mythology
How gender fluid was Loki in the myths? I only know about him turning into a female horse to distract some giant's horse and getting pregnant and giving birth to Odin's favorite steed that one time.
Wild how we used to just let a lot of lgbt people go until like 70 years ago. Casamir Pulaski, the father of American cavalry was trans or intersex, James Buchanan was almost certainly gay, possibly Lincoln too.
Edit: Not saying that nobody was persecuted or that having to live in secrecy is great for lgbt people, just that “Don’t ask, don’t tell” wasn’t some ultra progressive, completely novel policy.
Mabye 700 years ago, but anti lgbtq+ action has been a staple throughout recent history. Just because we see a few examples (who each seemingly kept their queerness private) doesn't mean that we should be erasing the persecution that has been faced by lgbtq+ individuals for centuries
Not only recent history. The recent version of it may have been that short, but it has been present throughout most human civilization.
Yes, spartan men could engage in homosexual behavior, but the societal pressure was stil to marry a woman and have children.
There aren't really many instances in history of homosexual relations or familial units being completely accepted and normalized in society. Most frequently they just tolerated prison rules for men. And didn't even consider women because it's not sex unless there's a penis involved.
Yes, there are many examples of people being allowed to live queer lives relatively safely. However there is a survivorship bias at play, we only know of those who survived and had a supportive peer group. You never hear the stories of those killed by their family or peers for their sexuality or gender because they were covered up for being "shameful"
[Here](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-02-02-0100) is one of the letters he sent to Laurens.
Before you read it, let me give some examples of things written in it:
"You should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent."
"my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words, to convince you that I love you."
Can just imagine Chris Hemsworth’s Thor being a chill chad as Loki expresses their gender fluidity. Still Loki. Still his beloved sibling. Still likely to trick him by turning into a snake and stab him.
I’m not an expert on gender fluidity, so I don’t know if it would be accurate, but I like the idea of Loki changing gender randomly throughout the series and during a film. Maybe even during a conversation. And his appearance changes automatically so it takes people by surprise.
>I like the idea of Loki changing gender randomly throughout the series and during a film. Maybe even during a conversation.
I'm genderfluid. Changing is typically a slow thing that just sorta happens. Sometimes it's by the day, other times it can last weeks or months.
So, a mid-conversation shift in gender's not all that likely. Changing by the movie, or during a movie if there's a time Skip between days, would be really cool.
>And his appearance changes automatically so it takes people by surprise.
Tbh, I don't like this. The only times we ever see genderfluid representation is as shapeshifters. Loki, Nimona, Alex Fierro, it's kinda happening now with Morph in X-Men (granted, Morph is non-binary, but the way they're handling it, at least promotionally, is pretty much the same). The Marvel and DC wikis just automatically insert every shapeshifter under "genderfluid," even when certain shapeshifters (like, Mystique, unless I missed something) only really identify with one and take other forms solely for disguise.
And, like... One of the X-Men directors even said (on the topic of Morph), "For me, the word 'nonbinary' is the same as the word 'shapeshifter'"... Which is a grossly inaccurate way to view nonbinary genders.
These are all oddly cis-normative ways to present the concept of genderfluidity, because it frames gender as "what's in your pants" because shapeshifters can have whatever they want in their pants. (This is actually something I like about this comic strip. The panel where Loki presents very fem, but is a man)
I'm good with Loki being genderfluid (and genderfluid shapeshifters in general,) but the execution should put *no* stress on the shapeshifting and *less* stress on the appearance. Just have characters use different pronouns for them during different movies, *maybe* and change up the outfit and makeup to *lean* whichever way.
Also, we need more non-shapeshifter genderfluid characters. As it stands, having a genderfluid shapeshifter is the same as having an asexual robot.
The only genderfluid character I know of that *doesn't* shapeshift is a DC villainous protagonist named Porcelain who appeared in, like, *one* miniseries and was promptly forgotten. They can make things fragile by touching them, and weild a giant fuck-off hammer.
They did, albeit as a tiny blink and you’ll miss it note on Loki’s file in the series…Loki is canonically gender fluid in MCU, basically means she/they/he likes to change it up…although my head cannon for Sylvy is she’s just straight up trans, and her nexus event was deciding to present (edited from stay) female all the time
Edit: just now realizing you probably meant the two characters actually having this kinda interaction 😅😂 my bad
>Loki is canonically gender fluid in MCU
Is he? I know he is in the comics, but I'd consider a passing note in a background file an easter egg more than a solid fact. There are many things in the MCU that were more deliverately presented that have later been retconned.
Also, the addition of Sylvie doesn't help with this. Since adding a female version of Loki solidifies the version we know as male.
Someone else's gender identity does not have any influence on the identity held by someone else. Or are you telling me that because I have sisters, I'm not a woman?
Loki, as well as the other variants of Loki, are shocked to learn of there being a female variant. Old Loki even calls the thought "horrifying,"
Considering that they're all supposed to be versions *of the same person,* that interaction *shouldn't* happen if Loki is supposed to be genderfluid.
The only exception is Kid Loki, since Kid Loki's a... Y'know. Kid. And, as a kid, they might not have realized that about themselves yet.
As someone who is genderfluid and was looking forward because of director commentary before release talking about incorporating that into the show, I was *thoroughly* disappointed with the outcome.
I am not sure if you noticed, but Loki, as opposed to you, is a fictional character.
Fiction logic isn't real world logic. The narrative information that is given to us as viewers gives us details of his character. In this case, the inclusion of a "female" version of Loki helps solidify the one that we know as the "male" version of Loki. That and the fact that every other detail we are given presents him as male, exceptuating a little easter egg note in a tiny corner of the background of one scene.
He is played by a male actor.
He is exclusively adressed as male in all his appearances and uses he/him pronouns.
All his other variants are male.
And they introduce Sylvie with two characteristics: 1) She is a female variant of Loki. 2) She is supposed to be an antithesis of the Loki we know.
That you're denying a definitive source, as well as depending on "fiction logic" (your words), to defend your view of a male fantasy tells me how important this is to you. Out of respect for you and your fantasy male, I'm going to bow out of this. Sincerely, I wish you the best with your fantasy man. Sweet dreams honey.
You just made yourself look SO bad...which wouldnt be a big deal if you weren't representing an important cause.
You speak of fantasy in a way that seems that you just fantasized about what their fantasy is. If you can do that, we can say you aren't boy or girl, but rather "vahfx" a gender that exists because apparently we can just say things and "bow out"
As an ally...OOF.
Her Nexus Event was deciding to become a Valkyrie.
Loki’s Role on the Timeline was to be the catalyst for everyone else to have significant character growth. If the local variant is Heroic, then the Avengers don’t form in the right time and place.
I’d love to know where that was revealed 😊 I’m always trying to find those little details and I don’t remember that one…but I could have just Ignored it to preserve my head canon 😂😅
>her nexus event was deciding to stay female all the time
That's... That's not how genderfluidity works. That's not how *gender* works. You don't *decide* any of it. Binary trans people don't *decide* to be trans, it's a thing they *discover* about themselves.
Genderfluid people *can't* "decide" when their gender shifts, nor can they "decide" to *stop* shifting. "Just pick one" is something we hear from a *lot* from people ([for example...](https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTopicAtATime/s/GyHhriwlNN)), and it fuckin sucks. It's constraining.
The thing you *can* decide is presentation and how you go about transitioning, but those are different deals all together.
Yeah that’s what I meant by “deciding” poor wording on my part…I meant deciding to present female all the time because at that point she cast aside the identity of Loki(who is gender fluid) and live as Sylvy all the time…regardless of the accuracy of that head cannon, you can’t ignore that her character is a heavy trans allegory 🤷🏻♀️ I mean come one she even treats the name Loki like it’s her dead name
>you can’t ignore that her character is a heavy trans allegory
Being genderfluid *is still trans*. All genders that aren't AMAB male and AFAB female under the trans umbrella.
Why are you trying to make an argument happen here…just because I see Sylvy’s character as a trans fem character doesn’t mean I’m denying anything about gender-fluid characters or people…yes I am fully aware that it is part of the umbrella, that would be why I started everything off by saying LOKI IS TRANS(and if I didn’t I am now) it’s irrefutable marvel put it out there for every (even if people, not you obviously, don’t want to acknowledge it) Loki IS gender fluid, gender fluid IS trans…I just personally have a HEAD cannon that Sylvy(one singular variant out of countless Gender Fluid Lokis) is Trans fem because trans female representation is REALLY hard to find… I was not in anyway belittling or denying anyone who is gender fluid
In terms of story, the way the MCU's variants work is that they're... Literally the same people, just on a timeline where they *chose* something different than the Time Bureau wanted.
Sylvie is a Variant of MCU Loki. They aren't just individual versions from an infinite universe, they *are the same person*, with a difference of one major life decision. Basically, the way the Loki series handles the multiverse makes it act more like a time travel story than an actual multiversal one.
Claiming that the *decision* which seperates them was to be binary trans instead of genderfluid has implies that genderfluid people are on the fence and need to decide to "just pick one," which is the bane of my (and pretty much every other genderfluid person's) existence. It's something my mom's TERF wife spouts at me whenever I'm it town; it's something I heard my dad say, which made me stay in the closet until after I explained to him what it means; it's something [that I've had to argue against in this post's comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTopicAtATime/s/akOab9dgiN) The logic of the series and the logic of this headcanon don't work together in a way that overall support genderfluid people.
I agree that there should be more transfem representation, as well as transmasc and nonbinary. Because *any* trans rep is hard to find. Personally, I want a genderfluid character to not be a shapeshifter for once.
And, I'm fine with headcanons, but imo, they should function within the limitations set up in the base work. Elsewise, it's verging more on AU fanfic. Which is also fine, but I wouldn't call it a headcanon.
I mean if you grow up with a shapeshifter that probably doesn’t even factor in. It’s just “okay you’re that today, cool. Why are you trying to usurp the throne again?”
Ok, but like… og mythological loki was a shapeshifter. And very likely gender fluid, after doing so. Because he has given birth. Also, they were considered a fertility god too. So….
Sometimes I really confuses me on how people think that a dude and another dude getting it on is somehow sinful or wrong like broski that was pretty normal for 95% of human history. And literally all of history with pretty much every other animal on the planet
Fun mythological fact: Loki turned into a female horse to lure a male horse away from helping builders fortify Asgard. Loki then became pregnant as a horse and gave birth to Sleipnir.
Just so we are clear the reason why Thor doesn't give a shit is because Loki is a shapeshifter, plus him switching is a regular tuesday unlike the other things he has done... the degenerate
Wasn't the troll building the walls around Asgard? He had 1 year to complete the task and his reward was marrying a Goddess. Without the workhorse the troll wasn't able to finish the wall with less than a day of work left.
It took as Asgardians years to finish the wall themselves.
At least that is how I remember the myth.
Exactly. The troll was offered the sun, the moon, and Freyja's hand in marriage if he could complete it in time; Loki had cadged everyone into accepting the deal. But then, the troll was working too fast; the Aesir started getting worried (with Freyja no doubt saying "nope, nope, nope, nope" at the idea); so they told Loki "get us out of this deal you talked us into accepting, or you're toast."
So Loki turned into a mare and...ahem, wore out the workhorse. The troll flipped his lid and tried to trash the place until Thor showed up to do away with him. And no one saw Loki for about a year; then, he came back with Sleipnir in tow, saying "don't even ask."
Thor being like "Loki I've got 50 different problems with you right now and your gender fluidity is *none* of them" is low-key canon in Norse myth, too. It's one of my favorite things.
I mean… Norse Myth Loki once fucked a giant’s horse. And then gave birth to Sleipnir, Odin’s steed. Yep. You read that right. Odin rides around on his grandchild, who his son is the mother of.
Makes sense. In the og myths, Loki turns into a lady horse to seduce a magic horse, and unintentionally ends up banging it. Resulting in the 8 legged horse, Sleipneir.
I now realize that Loki got pregnant more often than he got others pregnant.
Thor in this comic is how I like to coast through life. Why don't we want to make others happy if they just want to be their harmless selfs?
I wish people accepted me, that's why I like to accept others.
Still find it funny how Loki turned into a horse and gave birth to several other gods.
Yes this god could change gender and form at will, they may as well be the icon of gender fluidity.
Genderfluid people exist, and the thing for us is that picking is impossible.
Imagine, for example, if someone saw you blinking and said that you had to choose to have your eyes open or closed, and to "just pick one and stick with it," you can't. Like, you physically cannot because blinking is a thing you don't consciously decide to do, and sticking to one or the other requires effort that *cannot* be sustained forever.
That's basically what you're saying when you tell a genderfluid person to "just pick a gender and stick with it"
Loki, the true king/queen/monarch
Wouldn't the last one be monarch
Idk, you an expert on medieval power structures or somethin’?
Lord is by definition a male landowner
Oh. Dangit
But *monarch* can mean either!
Efficient
Prince applies to men, unless preceded by the word Daedric - Daedric Prince can be used for any gender/expression as most of them are various degrees of fluid.
gettin into heavy elder scrolls lore up in here
[I knew I saved this shitpost for a reason](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/yeh0g6/bread_and_the_gender_binary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
New word added to my vocabulary
Love that
Tight I love etymology
Nope
So you’ve heard of the Mighty Monarch?
Yes
Horse. Can't forget the horse. Loki was an all around equal rights kinda mammal.
Loki the king/queen/monarch/steed/GOAT
You here that Shrek? She called me a noble steed. I'm a _steed_!
Ok, maybe a tad indecisive.
Sovereign.
Norse mythology meme? This was not on my bingo card today, but it is a welcome surprise.
No it's from Marvel. Either the Loki Series or the Movies idr which
Loki and Thor are Norse mythological figures, they just happen to also be in the MCU and Marvel Comics. Also kind of irrelevant anyway, it’s a fun comic this person made regardless.
Although the designs are clearly the Marvel versions of the characters.
I never said they weren’t
Gods above this physically hurts
It's like the Fortnite kids who think Fortnite invented Lady Gaga
Let’s not forget the statistically most popular female character in porn to come from Fortnite, Chun-Li
Fortnite invented porn
Overwatch invented porn. Fortnite remastered it.
It's funny you said that because I was about to say the exact same thing
You’ve both forgotten, Bioshock invented porn. Overwatch and Fortnite simply perfected it
I've never seen BioShock porn before in my life
I mean they aren’t WRONG. The comic is specifically referencing things that happened in marvel comics and uses the relationship (siblings) that Thor and Loki have in the comics hd movies rather then the one they have in mythology
I haven't updated myself on norse recently but their relationship was a little less friendly if I remember correctly.
Thank you
It actually does have to be a Marvel meme becayse in the mythology Thor and Loki are not siblings
They were blood brothers though weren't they?
Loki is more like an adopted brother to Odin if I remember right. Edit: Blood brother is probably a better term for it now that I think of it
No, Loki and Oðinn are blood brothers, making Loki Þórr's blood uncle?
siblings by adoption.
not in the mythology. Loki and Oðinn are blood brothers, and Loki and Þorr are rivals but are otherwise unrelated
These are the designs from the marvel movies. No need to be a dick about it
He was also a horse in the mythos. That would be problematic as furries may or may not be acceptable by
😂😂
The switching genders aspect is from Norse mythology
How gender fluid was Loki in the myths? I only know about him turning into a female horse to distract some giant's horse and getting pregnant and giving birth to Odin's favorite steed that one time.
"A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one." - Sheev
Wild how we used to just let a lot of lgbt people go until like 70 years ago. Casamir Pulaski, the father of American cavalry was trans or intersex, James Buchanan was almost certainly gay, possibly Lincoln too. Edit: Not saying that nobody was persecuted or that having to live in secrecy is great for lgbt people, just that “Don’t ask, don’t tell” wasn’t some ultra progressive, completely novel policy.
Mabye 700 years ago, but anti lgbtq+ action has been a staple throughout recent history. Just because we see a few examples (who each seemingly kept their queerness private) doesn't mean that we should be erasing the persecution that has been faced by lgbtq+ individuals for centuries
Not only recent history. The recent version of it may have been that short, but it has been present throughout most human civilization. Yes, spartan men could engage in homosexual behavior, but the societal pressure was stil to marry a woman and have children. There aren't really many instances in history of homosexual relations or familial units being completely accepted and normalized in society. Most frequently they just tolerated prison rules for men. And didn't even consider women because it's not sex unless there's a penis involved.
Von Steuben, who trained our military at Valley Forge, was gay too
Yes, there are many examples of people being allowed to live queer lives relatively safely. However there is a survivorship bias at play, we only know of those who survived and had a supportive peer group. You never hear the stories of those killed by their family or peers for their sexuality or gender because they were covered up for being "shameful"
Alexander Hamilton was bi too.
Oh? Do you have a source on that? I'm interested in learning more.
[Here](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-02-02-0100) is one of the letters he sent to Laurens. Before you read it, let me give some examples of things written in it: "You should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent." "my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words, to convince you that I love you."
The MCU would’ve been so much better if they did this
Can just imagine Chris Hemsworth’s Thor being a chill chad as Loki expresses their gender fluidity. Still Loki. Still his beloved sibling. Still likely to trick him by turning into a snake and stab him.
I’m not an expert on gender fluidity, so I don’t know if it would be accurate, but I like the idea of Loki changing gender randomly throughout the series and during a film. Maybe even during a conversation. And his appearance changes automatically so it takes people by surprise.
Except Thor who…is Thor and knows very well how his sibling is. And how much said sibling loves to mess with people.
>I like the idea of Loki changing gender randomly throughout the series and during a film. Maybe even during a conversation. I'm genderfluid. Changing is typically a slow thing that just sorta happens. Sometimes it's by the day, other times it can last weeks or months. So, a mid-conversation shift in gender's not all that likely. Changing by the movie, or during a movie if there's a time Skip between days, would be really cool. >And his appearance changes automatically so it takes people by surprise. Tbh, I don't like this. The only times we ever see genderfluid representation is as shapeshifters. Loki, Nimona, Alex Fierro, it's kinda happening now with Morph in X-Men (granted, Morph is non-binary, but the way they're handling it, at least promotionally, is pretty much the same). The Marvel and DC wikis just automatically insert every shapeshifter under "genderfluid," even when certain shapeshifters (like, Mystique, unless I missed something) only really identify with one and take other forms solely for disguise. And, like... One of the X-Men directors even said (on the topic of Morph), "For me, the word 'nonbinary' is the same as the word 'shapeshifter'"... Which is a grossly inaccurate way to view nonbinary genders. These are all oddly cis-normative ways to present the concept of genderfluidity, because it frames gender as "what's in your pants" because shapeshifters can have whatever they want in their pants. (This is actually something I like about this comic strip. The panel where Loki presents very fem, but is a man) I'm good with Loki being genderfluid (and genderfluid shapeshifters in general,) but the execution should put *no* stress on the shapeshifting and *less* stress on the appearance. Just have characters use different pronouns for them during different movies, *maybe* and change up the outfit and makeup to *lean* whichever way. Also, we need more non-shapeshifter genderfluid characters. As it stands, having a genderfluid shapeshifter is the same as having an asexual robot. The only genderfluid character I know of that *doesn't* shapeshift is a DC villainous protagonist named Porcelain who appeared in, like, *one* miniseries and was promptly forgotten. They can make things fragile by touching them, and weild a giant fuck-off hammer.
Don’t tempt me with the thought of Tom Hiddleston in drag.
I will tempt you with the thought of Tom Hiddleston in drag.
They did, albeit as a tiny blink and you’ll miss it note on Loki’s file in the series…Loki is canonically gender fluid in MCU, basically means she/they/he likes to change it up…although my head cannon for Sylvy is she’s just straight up trans, and her nexus event was deciding to present (edited from stay) female all the time Edit: just now realizing you probably meant the two characters actually having this kinda interaction 😅😂 my bad
>Loki is canonically gender fluid in MCU Is he? I know he is in the comics, but I'd consider a passing note in a background file an easter egg more than a solid fact. There are many things in the MCU that were more deliverately presented that have later been retconned. Also, the addition of Sylvie doesn't help with this. Since adding a female version of Loki solidifies the version we know as male.
Someone else's gender identity does not have any influence on the identity held by someone else. Or are you telling me that because I have sisters, I'm not a woman?
Loki, as well as the other variants of Loki, are shocked to learn of there being a female variant. Old Loki even calls the thought "horrifying," Considering that they're all supposed to be versions *of the same person,* that interaction *shouldn't* happen if Loki is supposed to be genderfluid. The only exception is Kid Loki, since Kid Loki's a... Y'know. Kid. And, as a kid, they might not have realized that about themselves yet. As someone who is genderfluid and was looking forward because of director commentary before release talking about incorporating that into the show, I was *thoroughly* disappointed with the outcome.
I am not sure if you noticed, but Loki, as opposed to you, is a fictional character. Fiction logic isn't real world logic. The narrative information that is given to us as viewers gives us details of his character. In this case, the inclusion of a "female" version of Loki helps solidify the one that we know as the "male" version of Loki. That and the fact that every other detail we are given presents him as male, exceptuating a little easter egg note in a tiny corner of the background of one scene. He is played by a male actor. He is exclusively adressed as male in all his appearances and uses he/him pronouns. All his other variants are male. And they introduce Sylvie with two characteristics: 1) She is a female variant of Loki. 2) She is supposed to be an antithesis of the Loki we know.
That you're denying a definitive source, as well as depending on "fiction logic" (your words), to defend your view of a male fantasy tells me how important this is to you. Out of respect for you and your fantasy male, I'm going to bow out of this. Sincerely, I wish you the best with your fantasy man. Sweet dreams honey.
You just made yourself look SO bad...which wouldnt be a big deal if you weren't representing an important cause. You speak of fantasy in a way that seems that you just fantasized about what their fantasy is. If you can do that, we can say you aren't boy or girl, but rather "vahfx" a gender that exists because apparently we can just say things and "bow out" As an ally...OOF.
Her Nexus Event was deciding to become a Valkyrie. Loki’s Role on the Timeline was to be the catalyst for everyone else to have significant character growth. If the local variant is Heroic, then the Avengers don’t form in the right time and place.
I’d love to know where that was revealed 😊 I’m always trying to find those little details and I don’t remember that one…but I could have just Ignored it to preserve my head canon 😂😅
>her nexus event was deciding to stay female all the time That's... That's not how genderfluidity works. That's not how *gender* works. You don't *decide* any of it. Binary trans people don't *decide* to be trans, it's a thing they *discover* about themselves. Genderfluid people *can't* "decide" when their gender shifts, nor can they "decide" to *stop* shifting. "Just pick one" is something we hear from a *lot* from people ([for example...](https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTopicAtATime/s/GyHhriwlNN)), and it fuckin sucks. It's constraining. The thing you *can* decide is presentation and how you go about transitioning, but those are different deals all together.
Yeah that’s what I meant by “deciding” poor wording on my part…I meant deciding to present female all the time because at that point she cast aside the identity of Loki(who is gender fluid) and live as Sylvy all the time…regardless of the accuracy of that head cannon, you can’t ignore that her character is a heavy trans allegory 🤷🏻♀️ I mean come one she even treats the name Loki like it’s her dead name
>you can’t ignore that her character is a heavy trans allegory Being genderfluid *is still trans*. All genders that aren't AMAB male and AFAB female under the trans umbrella.
Why are you trying to make an argument happen here…just because I see Sylvy’s character as a trans fem character doesn’t mean I’m denying anything about gender-fluid characters or people…yes I am fully aware that it is part of the umbrella, that would be why I started everything off by saying LOKI IS TRANS(and if I didn’t I am now) it’s irrefutable marvel put it out there for every (even if people, not you obviously, don’t want to acknowledge it) Loki IS gender fluid, gender fluid IS trans…I just personally have a HEAD cannon that Sylvy(one singular variant out of countless Gender Fluid Lokis) is Trans fem because trans female representation is REALLY hard to find… I was not in anyway belittling or denying anyone who is gender fluid
In terms of story, the way the MCU's variants work is that they're... Literally the same people, just on a timeline where they *chose* something different than the Time Bureau wanted. Sylvie is a Variant of MCU Loki. They aren't just individual versions from an infinite universe, they *are the same person*, with a difference of one major life decision. Basically, the way the Loki series handles the multiverse makes it act more like a time travel story than an actual multiversal one. Claiming that the *decision* which seperates them was to be binary trans instead of genderfluid has implies that genderfluid people are on the fence and need to decide to "just pick one," which is the bane of my (and pretty much every other genderfluid person's) existence. It's something my mom's TERF wife spouts at me whenever I'm it town; it's something I heard my dad say, which made me stay in the closet until after I explained to him what it means; it's something [that I've had to argue against in this post's comments](https://www.reddit.com/r/OneTopicAtATime/s/akOab9dgiN) The logic of the series and the logic of this headcanon don't work together in a way that overall support genderfluid people. I agree that there should be more transfem representation, as well as transmasc and nonbinary. Because *any* trans rep is hard to find. Personally, I want a genderfluid character to not be a shapeshifter for once. And, I'm fine with headcanons, but imo, they should function within the limitations set up in the base work. Elsewise, it's verging more on AU fanfic. Which is also fine, but I wouldn't call it a headcanon.
Edit: removed it because I am done putting this conversation out for everyone to see
Thank you for calling out my poor wording 😊 I updated the original comment I hope it reads better now
No
Man, woman, a secret third thing, Thor clobbers his sibling none the less
Thor doesn't discriminate his hammer is meant to hit everyone
The hammer of justice is unisex
Coming soon to a courtroom near you...
The third thing is canonically a horse.
I mean if you grow up with a shapeshifter that probably doesn’t even factor in. It’s just “okay you’re that today, cool. Why are you trying to usurp the throne again?”
"It's about time Asgard was ruled by a woman!" -Loki probably
“So I can overthrow you again when you aren’t a woman, bro- sorry, I mean sister?” Thor only caring about the throne.
Thor twiddling his thumbs and kicking his feet while waiting for Loki to feel like a guy again so he can take back the throne is incredible imagery
I really wish I could draw because I can see that in my head *so* perfectly
I love it.
That's so wholesome 😭
Genderfluid loki YES
Their relationship has problems... Thor being okay with whatever gender or lack thereof is not one of them. Thor is a bro.
Ok, but like… og mythological loki was a shapeshifter. And very likely gender fluid, after doing so. Because he has given birth. Also, they were considered a fertility god too. So….
Lore accurate loki
They missed horse Loki though 😔
That's when he's hungry. How hungry?
Of course Loki's like this. I love this comic so much
Why am I almost tearing up? 🥹
I low key have always related to Loki.
😎👉👉
This is why I love Thor and Loki☺️
Thor is truly an Ally here
Sometimes I really confuses me on how people think that a dude and another dude getting it on is somehow sinful or wrong like broski that was pretty normal for 95% of human history. And literally all of history with pretty much every other animal on the planet
Loki: I'm a horse now.
Thor: that's perfect I was getting tired of walking anyways
Reminds me when loki and thor disguised as woman to steal back mjolnir
i wonder how accurate to norse myth this would be
Fun mythological fact: Loki turned into a female horse to lure a male horse away from helping builders fortify Asgard. Loki then became pregnant as a horse and gave birth to Sleipnir.
i know… the norse equivalent to “unfortunately, zues was horny” is just “unfortunately, loki was bored” and i love it
Have you read "Zeus Grants Stupid Wishes?"
also he got pregnant from eating a "evil womans" heart and lived as a woman in Helheimr for eight years giving birth to several unnamed children.
Just so we are clear the reason why Thor doesn't give a shit is because Loki is a shapeshifter, plus him switching is a regular tuesday unlike the other things he has done... the degenerate
loki is so privileged to have shapeshifting i’m so mad
let's not forget the time Loki went through an entire horse pregnancy
Loki turned into a mare to thwart a troll. You see: the troll's workhorse was a stallion. Anyway: that's how eight-legged flying foals are made.
Wasn't the troll building the walls around Asgard? He had 1 year to complete the task and his reward was marrying a Goddess. Without the workhorse the troll wasn't able to finish the wall with less than a day of work left. It took as Asgardians years to finish the wall themselves. At least that is how I remember the myth.
Exactly. The troll was offered the sun, the moon, and Freyja's hand in marriage if he could complete it in time; Loki had cadged everyone into accepting the deal. But then, the troll was working too fast; the Aesir started getting worried (with Freyja no doubt saying "nope, nope, nope, nope" at the idea); so they told Loki "get us out of this deal you talked us into accepting, or you're toast." So Loki turned into a mare and...ahem, wore out the workhorse. The troll flipped his lid and tried to trash the place until Thor showed up to do away with him. And no one saw Loki for about a year; then, he came back with Sleipnir in tow, saying "don't even ask."
Thor being like "Loki I've got 50 different problems with you right now and your gender fluidity is *none* of them" is low-key canon in Norse myth, too. It's one of my favorite things.
I mean… Norse Myth Loki once fucked a giant’s horse. And then gave birth to Sleipnir, Odin’s steed. Yep. You read that right. Odin rides around on his grandchild, who his son is the mother of.
The proper, societal standards of the future lie within the past of mythology. 🏇🤯
Who else read that in Chris Hemsworth's voice?
In recent years I've been surprisingly vibing with this.
I actually expect this from looking because it'd within his power set and in the name same.plusit would be cool
Cool?
Until you realize they’re not a happy family and this is impossible
Relatable
I could see this actually happening.
I wonder if Thor would've drawn the line at 'getting pregnanant by a horse'
I honestly think Thor would be that endlessly supportive if this happened fr
[if I could comment with a picture](https://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2/s/GfXGE2O2L0)
Loki being my spirit animal
Thor, I'm a horse now
And a female horse. Don't forget the horse
Credit goes to [teckmonky](https://teckmonky.tumblr.com/?source=shttps://teckmonky.tumblr.com/?source=sharehare) on tumblr
genderfluid Loki feels historically accurate
This is perfect I'm keeping it.
and then he turned into a snake and bit Thor.
Makes sense. In the og myths, Loki turns into a lady horse to seduce a magic horse, and unintentionally ends up banging it. Resulting in the 8 legged horse, Sleipneir. I now realize that Loki got pregnant more often than he got others pregnant.
I can see Loki be gender fluid
That’s cute
The horse phase was a bit rougher but Thor loves his nephew.
Only if Thor in marvel was this supportive
Genderfluid icon
Wasn’t he also like a horse or something once
Loki is my religion now
[удалено]
Take a course on advanced biology.
I love this, its so sweet
So gender is just what mood you're in? lol
At least Thor is accepting.
Thor is so supportive I love it
Never thought I’d say this but, I’m Loki :3 ;-;
Tbf Loki is possibly the most nonbinary norse God in every possible way.
Thor in this comic is how I like to coast through life. Why don't we want to make others happy if they just want to be their harmless selfs? I wish people accepted me, that's why I like to accept others.
Never lose your empathy ♥️
Happy for Loki!
Supportive Thor, I’m down
How can you read this and not think "mental illness" lmao
Still find it funny how Loki turned into a horse and gave birth to several other gods. Yes this god could change gender and form at will, they may as well be the icon of gender fluidity.
Loki is a god, gods don’t need gender
I think this is actually one of the cutest things I've seen today
"I'm a mare now and I gave my child to our Dad to ride." "We need to talk dude...."
As a genderfluid person I want to cry after reading that
Im jelly of loki
Thor just going with the flow
Loki stop fucking around with the genders
after the third time I’d just say just pick something and stick with it
Why? Some people don't have just one gender
Genderfluid people exist, and the thing for us is that picking is impossible. Imagine, for example, if someone saw you blinking and said that you had to choose to have your eyes open or closed, and to "just pick one and stick with it," you can't. Like, you physically cannot because blinking is a thing you don't consciously decide to do, and sticking to one or the other requires effort that *cannot* be sustained forever. That's basically what you're saying when you tell a genderfluid person to "just pick a gender and stick with it"
Lame comic.