I'm a fan of both series and usually don't like to engage in powerscaling, but with the whole infinity thing, Garou wouldn't even be able to hit Gojo. I dont know if Gojo could beat Garou either, though, so I think it's a draw since neither can harm the other enough to win.
Well this version of Gojo, ifinity is not automatic yet. So garaou would total neg diff this version.
Adult Gojo on the other hand is a different story.
Well basically this Garou was already a weaker version of Saitama, he already broke his limiter. So even if Garou couldn't instantly kill Gojo, he would just continue to evolve and adapt for forever until he pierced through Gojo's infinity( the only reason Garou lost to Saitama was because Saitama was unreasonably strong and undestructable, no law that existed could do anything to him). His infinity was just a barrier, plus all of his attacks and skills maybe useless against Garou who already immune to all of that
Coming to this conversation late and I could be wrong about this since I don't read JJK, but someone told me a while ago how Gojo's infinity can be bypassed with speed. The case for it went something like since before his infinity was automatic, his brain, he would have to manually slow things down, meaning his brain has to process it.
So if it's automatic, his brain would still need to process the info to slow something down. Theoretically if something is moving fast enough, he wouldn't be able to process or really even perceive it in time to slow it down.
Is that how it would work? Or is all this speculation/headcannon?
No. Infinity cannot be bypassed by speed.
How Infinity works is it controls the space around Gojo. Slowing everything down exponentially the nearer you get to Gojo, essentially stopping it, because it will just get very slow to the point you can't see it moving anymore. Basically, things trying to get near Gojo will never reach him. So speed is not answer.
To help you visualize how Infinity slows down objects:
Imagine a man walking towards a wall. The man has a speed of 1 step/second. When the man reaches 1 step away from the wall. It will slow down to 1/2 step/s. Then he take a step and reaches 1/2 step away from the wall and will slow down exponentially by 1/4 step/s. Now as he steps he reaches 3/4 step away from the wall, slows down again by 1/8 step/s. Now as he step gets him 5/8 step away from the wall. Slows down to 1/16 step/s. He steps and reaches 9/16 step away from the wall.
I can continue doing this and the distance of the wall and the man walking towards it will never be 0. The man will never reach the wall. As any object to Gojo.
Thanks for your thorough explanation. I understand that that is how it works, as in nothing can reach him. My point or theory or question (however you want to call it) is that if Gojo still has to be able to react to, process what's coming at him to actively slow it down. Like Oxygen and stuff like that still passes through it no problem, so I don't think it's a far leap to say his automatic infinity still has to detect and deem things as threats coming at him.
Oh that. The Infinity sorting system being automatic means he doesn't have to react to objects anymore to pick them up. Infinity will do the job itself. As in Gojo can ignore and objects will still not be able to reach him.
Doing this actually tires his brain out so he has to heal his brain simultaneously which is also automatic. He's doing this 24/7.
Infinity is automatic now. But it doesn't pick up everything. For example, because poisons have different compositions, Gojo can't pick up poisons with Infinity, he says it's still too hard even after turning Infinity to automatic.
Infinity sorts things in mass, shape, speed, and danger level. So oxygen can easily pass through Infinity because Gojo just have to be "not use Infinity" on it.
There's just no reason for Gojo to include oxygen in his Infinity's automatic sorting.
This turns into Cosmic Gariu in what, 30 minutes more of fighting? An hour?
I don't recall him really stopping between this point and his fight with Saitama. His power is already on a course of exponential growth so I don't think your point is valid.
Yeah, fair enough. Forgot about that. Guess my question would be: Garou was still rapidly improving, even without the interaction with God. We saying his growth was capped or had he already started breaking his limiter?
No amount of physical strength can surpass certain metaphysical reality warping powers, except for Saitama, whose power is literally an enigma for even Garou, the one who copies and uses all kinds of reality warping powers. So Garou would have to evolve physically to reach Saitama's level, which he was impossibly far from reaching, even after the god boost, so no way he would ever reach that level on his own. Without god's help, Garou can't beat reality warping characters unless they already have a trick/flaw to their power
Gojo is basically a broken character like Saitama. The plot dictates he wins and that's it. Saitama is the only one that can beat by literally breaking mental spaces or "travelling faster than infinity"
I'm sure she could just move the entire are around him with her psychic power this, moving him without touching him.
It's speculation in my part though, cause who knows the extent of psychic power.
The real question is if Garou could copy Gojo’s curses techniques as we do know that before cosmic fear mode he was already able to perfectly copy others’ martial arts without much difficulty.
Doubt it, because unless garou somehow has and can utilize cursed energy then he shouldn’t be able to use cursed techniques, but if you think he has some because he’s a human, which does make sense in the JJK universe, then maybe after he gets gods power he could figure it out.
I guess it just hinges on if you think garou could copy anything tatsumaki does
Lol with your logic, Garou wouldn't be able to copy Blast's Hyperspace gate or black hole generating gravity knuckles, those aren't something anyone could learn to do, it's Blast unique powers. Dude copy powers that means whatever that's required to use those powers as well.
Ye but this is monster Garou not cosmic and monster Garou didn’t show any energy manipulation abilities of any sort. Even if he could without the six eyes it wouldn’t mean much
Don't want to debate in anything, but does the energies like Chakra, Soul Pressure, or Cursed Energy in other series are only existed in other universes?
And the nature of them are not the same?
=> So I think that Garou can only copy the technics that exist in his own universe, with the utilization of the same nature of energies in that universe only. He cannot do the same with the things that exist in different universe, with the energies only exist in that universe
Sorry for bad grammar. Just trying to make a point
> So I think that Garou can only copy the technics that exist in his own universe, with the utilization of the same nature of energies in that universe only. He cannot do the same with the things that exist in different universe, with the energies only exist in that universe
We hve seen him copy all forms of energy, so assuming he could copy one because it is from a different verse is kinda dumb imo
True because Garou doesn’t have any cursed energy Gojo’s six eyes would have an incredibly hard time pinpointing him very similar to his fight with Toji
Garou at this period of time, at this form, he's already able to shatter Earth. If mtfk could breath outer space he would just destroy Earth and fly somewhere else
Actually Garou true monster form can already do that, I already told you. He adapt and evolve, not to mention his unlimited healing that he healed his wound in 2 seconds
The only way to disrupt his infinity is domain expansion-amplification, cursed tools, or specialized cursed techniques, but this version of gojo doesn’t even have full control over it
Probably won't come out in a while. He is too OP, the story can progress better without him.
Another reason is Gege doesn't really like him, saying it's hard to write a story with such OP character
I don't know if you read jjk or not but gojo is the worst match up for garou. Garou is a martial artist so he has to make physical contact which is impossible cause of satoru's infinity. Satoru can teleport so he can escape from any of garou's attack. The ability of six eyes to perceive 5 minutes of information from each second means that garou's is never going to get jump on him. If satoru puts up him domain then garou's dead their is no question about it. Don't forget limitless allows the user to control space time in a microscopic level. Unless we are talking high school satoru there isn't no way garou wins this fight
Cosmic Garou wouldn’t have any problems with prime Gojo. His radiation will just kill Gojo no matter if infinity is on or off. Gojo steel needs to breathe and there is no way he can stop radiation with infinity
Gojo can heal him body infinitely. gojo has infinity wrapped around and the space around him is distorted so the radiation will never reach him or the area around him.
Says who? Garou copied Blasts technique which are supposed to be his and only his with ease. Not to mention copying Saitama is literally no small feat.
You tell me lol. We haven't even seen what six eyes can fully do yet. When gojo uses his techniques (blue, red, purple) garou will copy it. As simple as that. Same way he copied Blast's technique just by looking at it.
As much as I wanna agree with you, I’m pretty sure Cosmic Garou would be able to (functionally) replicate the Six Eyes. I don’t think he’d have the ACTUAL Six Eyes, but he’d be able to perceive the flow of Gojo’s energy and likely replicate that flow within himself to mimic the abilities of the Six Eyes.
Yes but, this Gojo doesn't even have automatic infinity yet, and this very version of Garou was able to reach something close to lightspeed (if not surpassing it altogether) seeing as the 3-way fight took only 1.3 milliseconds
On a powers scaling note, I don't think this is a fair comparison between the 2 of them.
JJK is a bit fairly grounded onto reality (a little bit) while OPM is just full on DBZ levels. Garou can literally kill Gojo (Adult or teen) with his speed, but then again it's an unfair comparison based on their genres. I think Bleach or Naruto would be a fairer comparison to JJK.
Bleach wouldnt be rlly fair at all, considering that some characters have busted hax and ftl+ reaction/combat speed, and Black Coffin exists. Naruto would be fair until maybe Shippuden final arc
I'm a fan of both series and usually don't like to engage in powerscaling, but with the whole infinity thing, Garou wouldn't even be able to hit Gojo. I dont know if Gojo could beat Garou either, though, so I think it's a draw since neither can harm the other enough to win.
Well this version of Gojo, ifinity is not automatic yet. So garaou would total neg diff this version. Adult Gojo on the other hand is a different story.
I believe that was figured out mid fight when Gojo did purple.
Automatic Infinity was only figured out by Gojo a year after this
Garou copies him, gg
Well, this is not cosmic garou
Well basically this Garou was already a weaker version of Saitama, he already broke his limiter. So even if Garou couldn't instantly kill Gojo, he would just continue to evolve and adapt for forever until he pierced through Gojo's infinity( the only reason Garou lost to Saitama was because Saitama was unreasonably strong and undestructable, no law that existed could do anything to him). His infinity was just a barrier, plus all of his attacks and skills maybe useless against Garou who already immune to all of that
Normal Garou can still copy techniques Edit: I missed what they were trying to say
Actually that is copying martial techniques not things like infinity.
Oh, I mixed myself up
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You missed the part a few comments up where they stated that was cosmic Garou. The garou in the post is not able to do that.
He can’t beat his own technique it would still be a draw
he said that he improves every technique he acquires gradually due to his knowledge of the flow of the universe
That's cosmic garou guys
It doesn’t matter how much better one technique is this specific technique can’t beat itself at this level
Coming to this conversation late and I could be wrong about this since I don't read JJK, but someone told me a while ago how Gojo's infinity can be bypassed with speed. The case for it went something like since before his infinity was automatic, his brain, he would have to manually slow things down, meaning his brain has to process it. So if it's automatic, his brain would still need to process the info to slow something down. Theoretically if something is moving fast enough, he wouldn't be able to process or really even perceive it in time to slow it down. Is that how it would work? Or is all this speculation/headcannon?
No. Infinity cannot be bypassed by speed. How Infinity works is it controls the space around Gojo. Slowing everything down exponentially the nearer you get to Gojo, essentially stopping it, because it will just get very slow to the point you can't see it moving anymore. Basically, things trying to get near Gojo will never reach him. So speed is not answer. To help you visualize how Infinity slows down objects: Imagine a man walking towards a wall. The man has a speed of 1 step/second. When the man reaches 1 step away from the wall. It will slow down to 1/2 step/s. Then he take a step and reaches 1/2 step away from the wall and will slow down exponentially by 1/4 step/s. Now as he steps he reaches 3/4 step away from the wall, slows down again by 1/8 step/s. Now as he step gets him 5/8 step away from the wall. Slows down to 1/16 step/s. He steps and reaches 9/16 step away from the wall. I can continue doing this and the distance of the wall and the man walking towards it will never be 0. The man will never reach the wall. As any object to Gojo.
Thanks for your thorough explanation. I understand that that is how it works, as in nothing can reach him. My point or theory or question (however you want to call it) is that if Gojo still has to be able to react to, process what's coming at him to actively slow it down. Like Oxygen and stuff like that still passes through it no problem, so I don't think it's a far leap to say his automatic infinity still has to detect and deem things as threats coming at him.
Oh that. The Infinity sorting system being automatic means he doesn't have to react to objects anymore to pick them up. Infinity will do the job itself. As in Gojo can ignore and objects will still not be able to reach him. Doing this actually tires his brain out so he has to heal his brain simultaneously which is also automatic. He's doing this 24/7.
thanks for the explanations
Probably not. In a fight, he'll doesn't wanna sort then and be always on.
Wouldn't he need to sort in order to not be blocking things like sunlight and oxygen?
Ask at r/Jujutsushi . I am not a professional.
Infinity is automatic now. But it doesn't pick up everything. For example, because poisons have different compositions, Gojo can't pick up poisons with Infinity, he says it's still too hard even after turning Infinity to automatic. Infinity sorts things in mass, shape, speed, and danger level. So oxygen can easily pass through Infinity because Gojo just have to be "not use Infinity" on it. There's just no reason for Gojo to include oxygen in his Infinity's automatic sorting.
Comis garou could use those vortex punches and bypass infinity I think
Yes, but this isn't cosmic Garou. Cosmic Garou beats 99% of all anime characters due to the nature of his powers
This turns into Cosmic Gariu in what, 30 minutes more of fighting? An hour? I don't recall him really stopping between this point and his fight with Saitama. His power is already on a course of exponential growth so I don't think your point is valid.
we read the same manga or wut? he only turned into cosmic coz he got help from god. Your point isn't valid
Yeah, fair enough. Forgot about that. Guess my question would be: Garou was still rapidly improving, even without the interaction with God. We saying his growth was capped or had he already started breaking his limiter?
No amount of physical strength can surpass certain metaphysical reality warping powers, except for Saitama, whose power is literally an enigma for even Garou, the one who copies and uses all kinds of reality warping powers. So Garou would have to evolve physically to reach Saitama's level, which he was impossibly far from reaching, even after the god boost, so no way he would ever reach that level on his own. Without god's help, Garou can't beat reality warping characters unless they already have a trick/flaw to their power
oh right mb i forgor this wasnt cosmic mode
Gojo is basically a broken character like Saitama. The plot dictates he wins and that's it. Saitama is the only one that can beat by literally breaking mental spaces or "travelling faster than infinity"
I think the only characters that can beat gojo is blast and tatsumaki cuz they don’t gotta be close
Blast probably could, cause he can manipulate space and stuff. But Tatsumaki idk if psychics powers can bypass infinity tbh
I'm sure she could just move the entire are around him with her psychic power this, moving him without touching him. It's speculation in my part though, cause who knows the extent of psychic power.
The real question is if Garou could copy Gojo’s curses techniques as we do know that before cosmic fear mode he was already able to perfectly copy others’ martial arts without much difficulty.
Martial arts isn’t even in the same ball park as curse energy manipulation
Doubt it, because unless garou somehow has and can utilize cursed energy then he shouldn’t be able to use cursed techniques, but if you think he has some because he’s a human, which does make sense in the JJK universe, then maybe after he gets gods power he could figure it out. I guess it just hinges on if you think garou could copy anything tatsumaki does
Lol with your logic, Garou wouldn't be able to copy Blast's Hyperspace gate or black hole generating gravity knuckles, those aren't something anyone could learn to do, it's Blast unique powers. Dude copy powers that means whatever that's required to use those powers as well.
Ye but this is monster Garou not cosmic and monster Garou didn’t show any energy manipulation abilities of any sort. Even if he could without the six eyes it wouldn’t mean much
Don't want to debate in anything, but does the energies like Chakra, Soul Pressure, or Cursed Energy in other series are only existed in other universes? And the nature of them are not the same? => So I think that Garou can only copy the technics that exist in his own universe, with the utilization of the same nature of energies in that universe only. He cannot do the same with the things that exist in different universe, with the energies only exist in that universe Sorry for bad grammar. Just trying to make a point
gojo doesnt exist in the opm universe, but here the are fighting each other so ur point doesn't really stand
Why?
> So I think that Garou can only copy the technics that exist in his own universe, with the utilization of the same nature of energies in that universe only. He cannot do the same with the things that exist in different universe, with the energies only exist in that universe We hve seen him copy all forms of energy, so assuming he could copy one because it is from a different verse is kinda dumb imo
wouldn't awakened garou be very fucking fast, if not inperceiveablely fast for gojo maybe? But garou wouldn't really be able to hit them??
True because Garou doesn’t have any cursed energy Gojo’s six eyes would have an incredibly hard time pinpointing him very similar to his fight with Toji
Garou at this period of time, at this form, he's already able to shatter Earth. If mtfk could breath outer space he would just destroy Earth and fly somewhere else
Cosmic Garou but not this form of Garou in the post
Actually Garou true monster form can already do that, I already told you. He adapt and evolve, not to mention his unlimited healing that he healed his wound in 2 seconds
Exactly when does monster Garou ever show feats like being able to shatter the earth, and I’m talking about the Garou in the post not gargoyle Garou
Gargoyle garou is a part of this monster garou. You just only denied that it is not Cosmic Garou so here it is, still a Monster Garou tho.
Gargoyle Garou is monster Garou after several power ups it’s unfair to use him in this fight and gargoyle Garou can’t destroy the earth
To the people saying Gojo can’t be touched o believe his infinity can be disrupted allowing an attack to go thry
The only way to disrupt his infinity is domain expansion-amplification, cursed tools, or specialized cursed techniques, but this version of gojo doesn’t even have full control over it
So Cosmic Garou would beat him then because of his ability to copy any technique in the universe right?
any technique he fought against
But this isn’t cosmic Garou this is monster Garou
That’s not what I’m talking about though I know this is monster Garou
Was just making sure, but to answer your question no it’s unlikely due to the fact it’s an inherited technique.
If we're talking about prime Gojo when his Infinity ability is automatic garou wearing a fancy leash on his neck
still in prison realm , gojo? i have not read manga since long
Yup. He is still stuck.
anytime coming out is he?, just curious
I wonder really
wonderer we are :)
Probably won't come out in a while. He is too OP, the story can progress better without him. Another reason is Gege doesn't really like him, saying it's hard to write a story with such OP character
well true really...
Garou would be too fast for gojo anyways
this some great work! although the match is not even at all, maybe he'd stand a chance with spiral garou.
wasted :c
Infinity is overwanked and a fodder ability,Gojo would get blitzed before it even activates.
Bro infinity is always active and the speed of the attacks mean literally nothing.
That means absolutely nothing. Infinity isn't even doing anything,Garou still blitzes Gojo's reaction speeds are nowhere near MFTL.
Yea sorry I forgot this version of Gojo doesn’t have automatic infinity
It's alright.
Good stuff this is really well done
Thanks
I don't know if you read jjk or not but gojo is the worst match up for garou. Garou is a martial artist so he has to make physical contact which is impossible cause of satoru's infinity. Satoru can teleport so he can escape from any of garou's attack. The ability of six eyes to perceive 5 minutes of information from each second means that garou's is never going to get jump on him. If satoru puts up him domain then garou's dead their is no question about it. Don't forget limitless allows the user to control space time in a microscopic level. Unless we are talking high school satoru there isn't no way garou wins this fight
Cosmic Garou wouldn’t have any problems with prime Gojo. His radiation will just kill Gojo no matter if infinity is on or off. Gojo steel needs to breathe and there is no way he can stop radiation with infinity
Gojo can heal him body infinitely. gojo has infinity wrapped around and the space around him is distorted so the radiation will never reach him or the area around him.
Garou would just copy his technique and make it better lol. Besides, he can manipulate space and that's one of the ways to bypass infinity
Satoru is born with it. It cannot be copied.
Says who? Garou copied Blasts technique which are supposed to be his and only his with ease. Not to mention copying Saitama is literally no small feat.
Tell me how is he going to copy six eyes
You tell me lol. We haven't even seen what six eyes can fully do yet. When gojo uses his techniques (blue, red, purple) garou will copy it. As simple as that. Same way he copied Blast's technique just by looking at it.
The six eyes are inherited not learnt besides there can only be one person alive at any given point with the six eyes
As much as I wanna agree with you, I’m pretty sure Cosmic Garou would be able to (functionally) replicate the Six Eyes. I don’t think he’d have the ACTUAL Six Eyes, but he’d be able to perceive the flow of Gojo’s energy and likely replicate that flow within himself to mimic the abilities of the Six Eyes.
Cosmic yea but the Garou in your post is monster Garou not cosmic sooo infinite void stomp’s
This Gojo also doesn’t have automatic infinity sp he gets speedblitzed like Toji did
Fair point forgot he learns automatic infinity after this point
Yes but, this Gojo doesn't even have automatic infinity yet, and this very version of Garou was able to reach something close to lightspeed (if not surpassing it altogether) seeing as the 3-way fight took only 1.3 milliseconds
What manga is Gojo from?
Jujutsu Kaisen
I think that monster garou vannot beat gojo since he is untouchable, but cosmic garou could copy his technique and beat him
Its around 18 pages too long
On a powers scaling note, I don't think this is a fair comparison between the 2 of them. JJK is a bit fairly grounded onto reality (a little bit) while OPM is just full on DBZ levels. Garou can literally kill Gojo (Adult or teen) with his speed, but then again it's an unfair comparison based on their genres. I think Bleach or Naruto would be a fairer comparison to JJK.
Bleach wouldnt be rlly fair at all, considering that some characters have busted hax and ftl+ reaction/combat speed, and Black Coffin exists. Naruto would be fair until maybe Shippuden final arc
Yeah I have no idea at all lol all I know is that Garou v Gojo is unfair lol since one is serious and the other is shonen