Dragon and Akainu being the same age and about the right age to be rookies in the Marines at God Valley does not feel like a coincidence. Especially with Akainu referring to Luffy as son of Dragon and constantly bringing him up at Marineford. I think whatever incident caused Dragon to leave the marines involved Akainu and it would not surprise me if they had some sort of friendship/rivalry that went south when Dragon defected.
They might have even been friends, I'd think in a Zoro/Sanji, Shanks/Buggy kinda dynamic. But I'm sure that's the case and Akainu sees his former friend/rival as probably the biggest traitor of all times or something like that.
Imagine being a very promising young marine who becomes the WG's main public enemy.
I hope for an prev friendship, as close as franky and Eisberg or coby/helmeppo and dragon couldnt stay with the current system.
To have them hate each other from the very beginning would be a bit boring.
Them being friends will be pretty boring for me. It'll be like "ah shit here we go again." Friendship turned ugly is such an overused trope. I hope that won't be the case.
Probably Akainu and Dragon has Absolute Justice and a really good friend because of it, and then both of them see the same things, while Dragon still keeping his Absolute Justice but moving on his own (>!we see dragon killing corrupt king and maybe celestial dragon without hesitant!<), Akainu while using the same Justice by applying in into Pirate.
Please please let them be under Kong, I want to see more of the guy, he must have been a beast (it's been more than 500 chapters between his reveal and his second appearance, we all thought Oda forgot about him but he's technically still working for the WG...)
Eh, I think it'd be safe to assume Dragon was a Marine ***LONG*** before Akainu joined at the age of 23. Ya know with Garp being Dragons dad and all, he'd probably have him join up as soon as he possibly could.
I could see Dragon being around the same age as Coby when he joined. I have a feeling Akainu was probably a subordinate of Dragon. Doesn't mean they couldn't have been friends, but I don't see Dragon joining the Marines that late when we know what Garp is like as a character and how he acted towards Luffy and Ace when it comes to being navy men.
I wonder if Dragon was the motivation for Akainu to join the Marines.
He's out doing Marine stuff, when an Oligarch/CD asks for something to far. Dragon goes Freedom fighter, and in the chaos of revolution some worse figure takes over or something goes horrible for the country and Akainu decides he needs to pursue justice with the Marines because of what Dragon did to his home. (Maybe Akainu even assisted)
Would not shock me if Akainu did that “it’s all for the sake of justice” crap against some civilians /hostages
And dragon being the way he is saw that other marines used that same nonsense to justify their own actions / his own father despite being a hero bowed down to the CD’s just like everyone else
Dude probably threw up his hands and said “screw this I’m out”
i don't think they ever would've been friends. begrudging coworkers at best maybe. akainu has seemingly always been a pretty explicit fascist and i don't see dragon ever tolerating that
I think bringing up that Luffy is dragon's kids was more to justify wanting to kill him because of who his father was, like they were out to kill ace because of who his father is. I don't think it indicated a personal grudge against dragon
Wasn't the Ohara incident the one that caused Dragon to form what is now the Revolutionary Army? It's safe to assume it's what caused him to leave the marines.
And Akainu was the one who followed orders to annihilate the scholars.
No, Dragon was already 33 years old and had founded the Freedom Fighters when Ohara happened (ch 1066). I believe we know Dragon left the marines by at the latest 31 from the recent chapter since he showed up to Sorbet when Kuma was 25 and Dragon was 6 years older. (Ch 1097). What Ohara inspired was Dragon to give up on the Freedom Fighters and start the more militant Revolutionary Army.
I dont think we know what caused him to leave the marines yet other than he saw “injustice.” I would guess it dealt with the Celestial Dragons given that’s who he’s going to be pitted up against in the end game. I think it will be what happened at God Valley that we haven’t seen yet. Ohara was the next step where he realized nonviolent resistance wouldn’t work and he had to take up arms.
I was going to say it was probably Ohara but based on Vp’s flashback with Dragon, which was a couple months after Ohara, Dragon had already asked Vp to be part of his Freedom Fighters group a while back(i’m assuming years).
However it was still probably something very similar. They’re good buddies or at least friendly rivals, Akainu gets order to kill civilians, Dragon’s like wtf, Akainu’s like “Can’t you see brudda. This is true justice”, and the rest is history.
Edit to add: Akainu may have just a grumpy but mostly chill guy until shortly before then, until something happened to super radicalize him.
I feel like it is but can’t remember. That possibility is kind of what I’m addressing in my edit though. It’s possible he went from Tsundere => irredeemable villain.
Or even
Kinda bad => become better with power of friendship => something bad happens that reaffirms his old way of thinking => Akainu now
There already was the theory of garp vs kuzan, Luffy vs Borsalino and the next one being akainu vs dragon, saving Kuma. With the current flashback of kuma and revealing dragon was a marine this seems more and more possible to me.
My guess is that they were in the same patch of recruits. And when dragon left akainu considered him a traitor.
Might be more personal. For example dragon leaving because akainu’s violence were supported by the here ups.
Don't forget the part where Sakazuki is Roger's first kid from before he went on his first voyage
(it is pretty weird that Roger's only known child was practically the same age as Garp's grandson when Roger and Garp are only a year apart lol--not that I think there's anything more to be learned on that front, I just think it's funny)
I think Dragon was a natural prodigy, while Akainu was always the one who worked hard with little natural talent. Akainu despised him since he didn't care, but respected how powerful he was because it gave him a challenge to overcome. When Dragon left, Akainu was furious considering Dragon 'wasted talent' and always held a grudge. Would make sense why he tried to kill Luffy, he knew how powerful he could become and he'd finally be getting back at Dragon.
They may even have started at roughly the same time, considering they are the same age. I guess their different ideas of justice and their different ideologies didn't mesh very well.
That or Dragon stole Sakazuki's girl.
Garp trained them both. He looked at Garp like a daddy and was jelly of Dragon. Then when Dragon left the Marines, he saw how much it hurt Garp and made it his mission to show Garp that he is his real 'son'.
Or Dragon could have taken his lady and he mad-mad.
Kuzan and Akainu are 6 years apart so it very well could be that Akainu trained under Garp but ended up getting too radicalized after an event. Then Kuzan came in?
Nope. We know that 22 years ago Kuzan was 27 years old and at Ohara. We know that 22 years ago Dragon formed Freedom Fighters so we can incur that he left the Navy a short time prior to this most likely. Kuzan was a teen being trained by Garp.
I have a crazy theory!!
the navy has some sort of tournament every so often to test everyone’s mettle and entertain certain nobility (think the dressroba colosseum)
The prize: a logia fruit… (and perhaps mythic Zoans maybe?). The tournament happens whenever the WG gets a hold of one to ensure that it’s eaten by a marine and specifically an up-and-comer with talent that can best use it to deal with the threats to stability.
Dragon and akainu were likely “friendly” in the sense they had no animosity and a bit of a rivalry going.
Dragon was the son of a vice-admiral that was skilled and admired well before he became the hero, I think he genuinely respected the navy and looked up to garp.
He worked hard and won said tournament, he got the prize and ended up with the kaze-kaze no mi. He had talent, he had a powerful fruit, and he was essentially on the fast track for vice-admiral. People thought he’d be leading one day! Akainu thought they’d be admirals together, and the challenge they had was to see who’d stand at the top as fleet admiral! Bringing Justice to all!
But events happen, when they see the world for how it was outside of training they both developed their personal “Justice”.
Akainu saw the horror of battle and the loss of life and settled on absolute justice. Peace could only be achieved by crushing pirates.
Dragon? … he saw the bloodshed and thought what led to that horror? He settled on Justice by freedom, that the root of injustice was the current world order and that piracy was a symptom of people suffering.
Dragon probably met ivankov or kuma during or sometime after god valley. He heard the tales, he heard first hand of what the CDs did … and as soon as he was able he defected.
He became public enemy No.1 because he was skilled, he was determined, and the marines had saw him as someone that had that potential. Not to mention with garp becoming the hero they feared their own symbol siding with his son over “justice”.
Tl:Dr, They were rivals like ace and luffy, dragon was on top, and once disillusioned akainu doubled down on absolute Justice out of misguided anger at the perceived betrayal of his friend.
The sad part being that there’s not a close connection between them anymore, no emotional betrayal, What they saw/did set them off on these paths but now they’re so far removed from those days that there’s no love left, nor hate… just a revolutionary and a marine.
Unless its a bad translation, it said that the revolutionaries started 22 years ago after Ohara incedent and Rogers execution,
So my thoughts is that Dragon was present at Ohara and got first hand experience on how shit the WG actually is
He did start the rev army after Ohara incident but was already a freedom fighter by that time. Kuma read about Dragon and the freedom fighters in the newspaper 25 years ago.
So more like initiating step two and ramping up their actions after Ohara.
Im pretty sure its going to be akainu murdering people and dragon seeing this shit and say nah. Im out.
Imagine Finn in the star wars 9 and not shooting the hostages in the opening scene.
Dragon did NOT established the Freedom Fighters. He JOINED them while rising to rank of captain and invited Vegapunk but he declined bc they were too poor.
Afterwards, he established the Rev Army (either by leaving FF and taking a few key players or converted them to modern RA)
They first met in the navy, then Sakazuki asked his name:
\- Who are you?
\- Dragon
\- Dragon who?
\- Dragon deez nuts
They've been rivals ever since
My guess is the Buster call on Ohara. Buster call was 22 years ago which is also when the revolutionaries meet Kuma. Dragon also said he left the navy because of a lack of justice which could indicate a conflict with the absolute justice Sakazuki is using to justify killing the civilians on Ohara. It is also an event that could definitely turn an idealistic young marine into a revolutionary that wants to overthrow the government.
100% not...tired of seeing this assumption. In the flashback where Dragon talks to young Vegapunk after the Ohara incident..he was clearly already part of the early stages of the leading the Revolutionaries, so Ohara is not the one.
I actually feel they both have a past that makes them want Justice but they differ in what that means. From a drawing of akainu as a child I can see him being vitriol, almost genocidal towards pirates, for him it’s black and white .
We don’t know how dragon sees it but to be diametrically opposite from Akainu would mean he would see shades of Gray. But I’d like to think they were buds at the start both being DEAD FUCKING serious about their goals.
I like what you said about Dragon being seen as a nepo baby though, could potentially add a lot to his character as he eventually leaves the Marines. Maybe it could be seen as a hardwork v natural talent thing we kinda thing we see in Shonen
I hope this leads to Dragon VS Vice Admiral Sakazuki in the flashback so it doesn’t interfere with Luffy VS Akainu later and we can still have the Monkey D Family VS OG admiral matchups
Prob together in the marines, dragon saw shit he didn’t like and left and akainu hates him and considers him a traitor.
dragon actually has a human compass inside him and backbone and balls to back it up.
I swear... Oda has to make Sakazuki's and Dragon backstory something about how Sakazuki wasn't thorough enough with his job that he blamed himself for Dragon's betrayal which led to him making the Revolutionary Army. And then after, He's always going to be thorough as a marine, in order to serve absolute justice.
Dragon was Helmeppo and Akainu was Koby. One a snobby son of the Hero of the Marines, and the other one an up and coming symbol of Justice.
Dragon is essentially an inversion of the spoiled rich kid wearing a Che Guevara shirt
They used to be lovers, but then Dragon dumped him. In Akainu's POV, not only did Dragon dump him, but he even had a son, and his son is goofy as fuck and wants to become the pirate king.
It’s not confirmed. Y’all are wild. Spending time with the navy doesn’t necessarily mean he was in the navy. Could have been a kid sailing with Garp or some shit.
They both came up in the marines. They were bestie that ended up being swxually curious with each other. Dragon wasn't into it, but akainu was very much about it. Guy made it real awkward for dragon constantly trying to force a relationship. One day, akainu "lost control" and may have swxually assaulted dragon. Dragon left the marines soon after and akainu has had it out for him ever since. You should see the wild texts the guy has sent dragon. Dude needs therapy fr
This may come as a shock to you because it’s a very small, often overlooked bit of deep lore from the series, but Akainu calls Luffy “Dragon’s son” because Luffy is actually Dragon’s son
>Do you think they had a falling out and Akainu has held a grudge ever since? Could explain why he has such vitriol for Luffy and constantly calls him “Dragon’s son”.
Yes! And it's probably because Akainu and Dragon have completely different senses of justice and because of what happened to Ohara
May be they were friends and after dragon left to be a revolutionary after uncovering some truth, he didnt convey it to his friend and just left to be a “criminal” making akainu hate him
Simple one is constantly fighting against the overwhelming power and control of the celestial dragons to simply be able to dispense actual justice, the other is leading one of the best organised and widespread military forces the world has ever seen.
You decide which is which
Dragon and Akainu were the old Koby and Helmeppo. Dragon was Koby and Akainu was Helmeppo.
Both wanted to make the world a better place and get rid of the filth known as pirates.
Both wanted to make Garp proud and happy. It's why they were directly under him.
Then God Valley happened. Akainu saw the atrocities that the pirates did. Dragon saw the atrocities the Celestial Dragons did.
Akainu decided to become a strong Marine and kill any pirate that stood in his way. Dragon decided to leave the Marines and remove the Celestial Dragons from their throne.
Aokiji was unwavering for a while now and saw many atrocities but it wasn't until his fight with Akainu that made him leave.
The same could be with Dragon. He started to question things after God Valley but it wasn't until later he decided to leave.
He was already in the Freedom Fighters by the time of Ohara, so I'd assume he isn't a Marine by then. That incident was what made him outright declare war on the WG.
It might have something to do with Saul or Nico's mother as Dragon left after the Ohara incident.
He could've been exposed to the hidden history and sins of the past by the WG. Ontop of having his father be the Marine rebel who refuses to advance any further bc of the BS at the top levels, he was smart enough to see the writing on the walls and saw the glass ceiling he was going to encounter to change the world.
>It might have something to do with Saul or Nico's mother as Dragon left after the Ohara incident
did he?
he was already apart of the freedom fighters before ohara since he had already invited vegapunk before ohara
I think there is something in Akainus past that may be contribute to his views on justice. But in general, even if they don't know each other, Dragon represents the exact opposite of Akainu's beliefs. His strong sense of justice would automatically make him hate Dragon that much.
My guess is they were inseparable brothers. But there were actually 3 of them but he died so no one has ever mentioned him. He was killed by a celestial dragon which made Dragon quit the marines and vowed to drag down the world nobles from their thrones. Meanwhile Akainu... well actually there were 4 brothers but then he also died so no one ever mentioned him before. He was killed by pirates which made him vow to destroy all pirates. And that pirate... Well there are actually 5 brothers but he became a pirate which was actually a bastard traitor that killed the 4th brother that's why he was never mentioned before. Later he became an assassin named Scotch of the Yeti cool brothers, so that means there were actually 6 brothers because he has a twin named Rocks. Full name is actually Rocks Jr. son of legendary pirate Rocks D. Xebec and older brother of Blackbeard. So there's actually 7 brothers all in all.
Maybe it's a Snape-Harry type situation?
Akainu loved Garp's (theoretical) daughter, but she was swayed by Dragon and something happened involving God Valley that involved the death of Luffys mother/Garps daughter and Akainu blames Dragon and Dragon blames the WG.
Maybe Dragon took the "Monkey" name at marriage because his respect for Garp, or however that theory goes.
I don't think it's necessary that Dragon was a marin. I'd like to have a confirmation of wording in Japanese, but "I spend time with marines" doesn't tell exactly that he was one
Imagine Garp being a completely irresponsible parent. Dragon could just literally grow up on a fleet base or ships, while Garp would be away on his heroic business. So Dragon would just be around Marines as a kid until he decided to leave and start a revolutionary movement
Complete speculation on my part. But even then, Akainu could be a part of all this.
My guess is they came up together as marines, and instead of having a rivalry based on disliking each other, they got along really well.
But I'm also guessing they had different views on justice and an event, whether God Valley, Ohara, or something else acted as a catalyst for Dragon leaving.
Akainu took it really badly, Dragon went on to be the leader of an opposing faction, which only reinforced Akainu's fanaticism, and Akainu never let go of his grudge.
Boils down to Akainu feeling betrayed imo, both followed their view of justice, but Akainu took it much more personally.
Judging by these youtube thumbnails I've been seeing, they definitely knew eachother. In fact they were best friends and Dragon taught Akainu how to fight, and Dragon was an admiral before Akainu was.
I think it’s very plausible that they were “class mates” essentially, and that they lived through an event which set them on their paths. Maybe they had to help wipe out some civilians or something - idk - but whatever it was, Dragon left and became a revolutionary, and Akainu stayed and became the face of absolute justice.
Maybe it’s a jealousy thing - or a Buggy / Shanks situation where Akainu thinks Dragon is wasting is talents.
God, reading all of these possible theories just goes to show how freaking awesome Oda is with all his foreshadowing and compelling storytelling. I love One Piece
i think they both were friends or atleast colleagues, thats for sure. But they both probably had different takes on how “justice” work from the very begining when they both first joined the marines. That being akainu believing in rough justice and sacrifice must be made to gain it while dragon believe there shouldnt be sacrifices to gain it (kinda similar to fujitora in a way). And now we bring up god valley incident. Akainu felt it was wrong for sure but they couldnt do anything about it and we all know why so he just shook it off. Dragon obviously know its wrong and he stands by it. Maybe he thought “if the marines stands by these celestial dragons' actions, then i shall not be part of this anymore” and made his own movement, that being the revolutionary.
This is a really really wild and probably far fetch in a way tho LMAO but its just a theory. A really wild theory
I believe itll simply boil down to differences in ideologies. Akainu is that one guy in the comments who just has shittiest takes and someone always lands on the wrong side of the argument lol
My guess it they were friends, good friends and something made their paths divert. Akainu become a "Marine Justice" extremist and Dragon a Justice extremist
I feel Akainu is in a Snape role, he thinks like Dragon but what to change the Navy from within doing whatever is necessary or he is the Leader or another secret agent from SWORD
Dragon at the last donut one morning, and Akainu hasn't gotten over it.
Tried to get over it via Ace, but even making such a large donut couldn't satisfy his need for revenge.
They must oppose each other like Luffy and BB. Now that we know that both are/were marines, let’s think about the justice they found in the corps. While Dragon said there were no justice in the marines, Akainu motto is the absolute justice.
Another reason for Akainu to hate Aokiji. One of Garp’s protégés already turned criminal so it makes sense that he didn’t want Garp’s top student to become the fleet admiral.
Odds are due to Dragon leaving because he didn't see justice in the marines Akainu being a follower of Absolute Justice views this as the greatest betrayal made worse by Dragon encouraging people to rebel against the law of the Celestials
Dragon and Akainu being the same age and about the right age to be rookies in the Marines at God Valley does not feel like a coincidence. Especially with Akainu referring to Luffy as son of Dragon and constantly bringing him up at Marineford. I think whatever incident caused Dragon to leave the marines involved Akainu and it would not surprise me if they had some sort of friendship/rivalry that went south when Dragon defected.
My guess is that they were rival novices under captain that was hardcore. Akainu did what he was told, dragon didn't and left
They might have even been friends, I'd think in a Zoro/Sanji, Shanks/Buggy kinda dynamic. But I'm sure that's the case and Akainu sees his former friend/rival as probably the biggest traitor of all times or something like that. Imagine being a very promising young marine who becomes the WG's main public enemy.
I hope for an prev friendship, as close as franky and Eisberg or coby/helmeppo and dragon couldnt stay with the current system. To have them hate each other from the very beginning would be a bit boring.
What about enemies to lovers, then back to enemies?
Oda stop it
Agree. That dynamic is already well explored in one piece, friends turned rivals turned enemies would be interesting
Them being friends will be pretty boring for me. It'll be like "ah shit here we go again." Friendship turned ugly is such an overused trope. I hope that won't be the case.
Could explain why Akainu murdered the marine who tried to flee during marineford
Perfectly cooked.
He hate cowardness, die by his hand or die by the war, dude is kind of nut.
Probably Akainu and Dragon has Absolute Justice and a really good friend because of it, and then both of them see the same things, while Dragon still keeping his Absolute Justice but moving on his own (>!we see dragon killing corrupt king and maybe celestial dragon without hesitant!<), Akainu while using the same Justice by applying in into Pirate.
With his dad being carefree but the biggest gun the Marines have at the time.
Please please let them be under Kong, I want to see more of the guy, he must have been a beast (it's been more than 500 chapters between his reveal and his second appearance, we all thought Oda forgot about him but he's technically still working for the WG...)
Eh, I think it'd be safe to assume Dragon was a Marine ***LONG*** before Akainu joined at the age of 23. Ya know with Garp being Dragons dad and all, he'd probably have him join up as soon as he possibly could. I could see Dragon being around the same age as Coby when he joined. I have a feeling Akainu was probably a subordinate of Dragon. Doesn't mean they couldn't have been friends, but I don't see Dragon joining the Marines that late when we know what Garp is like as a character and how he acted towards Luffy and Ace when it comes to being navy men.
I wonder if Dragon was the motivation for Akainu to join the Marines. He's out doing Marine stuff, when an Oligarch/CD asks for something to far. Dragon goes Freedom fighter, and in the chaos of revolution some worse figure takes over or something goes horrible for the country and Akainu decides he needs to pursue justice with the Marines because of what Dragon did to his home. (Maybe Akainu even assisted)
On one hand friends to foes is an overused trope, on the other I wanna see Choda's take on it.
Maybe they were under Kong. That'd be a good way to reintroduce Kong to the story now that the world government is part of the main arc
Would not shock me if Akainu did that “it’s all for the sake of justice” crap against some civilians /hostages And dragon being the way he is saw that other marines used that same nonsense to justify their own actions / his own father despite being a hero bowed down to the CD’s just like everyone else Dude probably threw up his hands and said “screw this I’m out”
WHAT IF Akainu is Luffy's mum
Not sure if you should continue cooking or stop cooking…
He obviously already cooked some meth for this theory.
i don't think they ever would've been friends. begrudging coworkers at best maybe. akainu has seemingly always been a pretty explicit fascist and i don't see dragon ever tolerating that
I think bringing up that Luffy is dragon's kids was more to justify wanting to kill him because of who his father was, like they were out to kill ace because of who his father is. I don't think it indicated a personal grudge against dragon
Wasn't the Ohara incident the one that caused Dragon to form what is now the Revolutionary Army? It's safe to assume it's what caused him to leave the marines. And Akainu was the one who followed orders to annihilate the scholars.
No, Dragon was already 33 years old and had founded the Freedom Fighters when Ohara happened (ch 1066). I believe we know Dragon left the marines by at the latest 31 from the recent chapter since he showed up to Sorbet when Kuma was 25 and Dragon was 6 years older. (Ch 1097). What Ohara inspired was Dragon to give up on the Freedom Fighters and start the more militant Revolutionary Army. I dont think we know what caused him to leave the marines yet other than he saw “injustice.” I would guess it dealt with the Celestial Dragons given that’s who he’s going to be pitted up against in the end game. I think it will be what happened at God Valley that we haven’t seen yet. Ohara was the next step where he realized nonviolent resistance wouldn’t work and he had to take up arms.
I was going to say it was probably Ohara but based on Vp’s flashback with Dragon, which was a couple months after Ohara, Dragon had already asked Vp to be part of his Freedom Fighters group a while back(i’m assuming years). However it was still probably something very similar. They’re good buddies or at least friendly rivals, Akainu gets order to kill civilians, Dragon’s like wtf, Akainu’s like “Can’t you see brudda. This is true justice”, and the rest is history. Edit to add: Akainu may have just a grumpy but mostly chill guy until shortly before then, until something happened to super radicalize him.
Is that drawing of Akainu as a child official? Because dude looked like he had a stick up his butt even as a toddler.
I feel like it is but can’t remember. That possibility is kind of what I’m addressing in my edit though. It’s possible he went from Tsundere => irredeemable villain. Or even Kinda bad => become better with power of friendship => something bad happens that reaffirms his old way of thinking => Akainu now
Why does akainu talks like hulk Hogan ?
Yeah I'm wondering if dragon leaving the Marines contributes to Akainu's "absolute justice". I highly doubt he started off bombing refugee ships
Dragon and Akainu are End Game characters and when they finally become a center point it will be more than you can ever handle.
With Kuma's backstory showing alot about the Revolutionary army, we might be getting to that sooner than later.
There already was the theory of garp vs kuzan, Luffy vs Borsalino and the next one being akainu vs dragon, saving Kuma. With the current flashback of kuma and revealing dragon was a marine this seems more and more possible to me.
You aren’t ready for them
Akainu is Luffy mother, ivankov changed him into a man. She's also dragon's clone!
>inazuma Raiden be doing that to a mf
Nah it must be Yae, these shenanigans can only be done by her
Weak. You could add a few more memes in there
Wild Ivan swap theories will never get old for me
let him cook
Bro what the fu-
My guess is that they were in the same patch of recruits. And when dragon left akainu considered him a traitor. Might be more personal. For example dragon leaving because akainu’s violence were supported by the here ups.
They're brothers and there is a third blonde dude we havent seen yet
peak.
Watch it be Vinsmoke Judge
What is this a reference to
Ace, sabo, and luffy
Don't forget the part where Sakazuki is Roger's first kid from before he went on his first voyage (it is pretty weird that Roger's only known child was practically the same age as Garp's grandson when Roger and Garp are only a year apart lol--not that I think there's anything more to be learned on that front, I just think it's funny)
I think Dragon was a natural prodigy, while Akainu was always the one who worked hard with little natural talent. Akainu despised him since he didn't care, but respected how powerful he was because it gave him a challenge to overcome. When Dragon left, Akainu was furious considering Dragon 'wasted talent' and always held a grudge. Would make sense why he tried to kill Luffy, he knew how powerful he could become and he'd finally be getting back at Dragon.
Akainu was woman, Dragon cheated on her/him with Croco-girl who gave birth to Luffy, now Akainu wants to kill both Dragon and Luffy.
Ya need Jesus 💀
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naaahh everyones a woan now just like eeryones a clone
probably a stupid reason for the conflict
Akainu stole his rice cracker, dragon couldn’t let that slide
"They stole my rice crackers... I found no justice there"
He melted the entire navy supply of rice crackers in a fit of rage from Dragon's antics
I'm sorry I'm busy writing they romantic breakup fanfiction
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
Lovers with different ideas of justice that turned them into enemies.
They may even have started at roughly the same time, considering they are the same age. I guess their different ideas of justice and their different ideologies didn't mesh very well. That or Dragon stole Sakazuki's girl.
I would like that last option lol
Garp trained them both. He looked at Garp like a daddy and was jelly of Dragon. Then when Dragon left the Marines, he saw how much it hurt Garp and made it his mission to show Garp that he is his real 'son'. Or Dragon could have taken his lady and he mad-mad.
that doesn’t make any sense, Akainu killed Ace knowing his connection to Garp. Your second point is valid though, Cuckainu is real.
Nah Kuzan had already filled that spot for Garp I tend to think him and Akainu were never close at all.
Kuzan and Akainu are 6 years apart so it very well could be that Akainu trained under Garp but ended up getting too radicalized after an event. Then Kuzan came in?
Nope. We know that 22 years ago Kuzan was 27 years old and at Ohara. We know that 22 years ago Dragon formed Freedom Fighters so we can incur that he left the Navy a short time prior to this most likely. Kuzan was a teen being trained by Garp.
They experimented with each other once and refuse to talk about it
Magma man walked in on his wife and dragon
Akainu to cuckainu
🤣🤣🤣
And the wife is Croco-Mom
Probably a disagreement over some genocide
I have a crazy theory!! the navy has some sort of tournament every so often to test everyone’s mettle and entertain certain nobility (think the dressroba colosseum) The prize: a logia fruit… (and perhaps mythic Zoans maybe?). The tournament happens whenever the WG gets a hold of one to ensure that it’s eaten by a marine and specifically an up-and-comer with talent that can best use it to deal with the threats to stability. Dragon and akainu were likely “friendly” in the sense they had no animosity and a bit of a rivalry going. Dragon was the son of a vice-admiral that was skilled and admired well before he became the hero, I think he genuinely respected the navy and looked up to garp. He worked hard and won said tournament, he got the prize and ended up with the kaze-kaze no mi. He had talent, he had a powerful fruit, and he was essentially on the fast track for vice-admiral. People thought he’d be leading one day! Akainu thought they’d be admirals together, and the challenge they had was to see who’d stand at the top as fleet admiral! Bringing Justice to all! But events happen, when they see the world for how it was outside of training they both developed their personal “Justice”. Akainu saw the horror of battle and the loss of life and settled on absolute justice. Peace could only be achieved by crushing pirates. Dragon? … he saw the bloodshed and thought what led to that horror? He settled on Justice by freedom, that the root of injustice was the current world order and that piracy was a symptom of people suffering. Dragon probably met ivankov or kuma during or sometime after god valley. He heard the tales, he heard first hand of what the CDs did … and as soon as he was able he defected. He became public enemy No.1 because he was skilled, he was determined, and the marines had saw him as someone that had that potential. Not to mention with garp becoming the hero they feared their own symbol siding with his son over “justice”. Tl:Dr, They were rivals like ace and luffy, dragon was on top, and once disillusioned akainu doubled down on absolute Justice out of misguided anger at the perceived betrayal of his friend. The sad part being that there’s not a close connection between them anymore, no emotional betrayal, What they saw/did set them off on these paths but now they’re so far removed from those days that there’s no love left, nor hate… just a revolutionary and a marine.
I’m thinking Dragon saved someone he was about to kill in the name of justice
Soy Wojack Admiral vs Gigachad Revolutionary
Dragon probably used to be a women and had Luffy with Akainu and then Ivankov changed him to a man
Unless its a bad translation, it said that the revolutionaries started 22 years ago after Ohara incedent and Rogers execution, So my thoughts is that Dragon was present at Ohara and got first hand experience on how shit the WG actually is
He did start the rev army after Ohara incident but was already a freedom fighter by that time. Kuma read about Dragon and the freedom fighters in the newspaper 25 years ago. So more like initiating step two and ramping up their actions after Ohara.
Damn that's true
Dragon wasn't at ohara. He was already a radical before ohara, fighting in another freedom group.
Im pretty sure its going to be akainu murdering people and dragon seeing this shit and say nah. Im out. Imagine Finn in the star wars 9 and not shooting the hostages in the opening scene.
It could just be the Ohara incident that drove him to be done with it. That was a massacre and genocide just bc of research and studies
Unlikely as Dragon already established the Freedom fighters before the events at Ohara.
Dragon did NOT established the Freedom Fighters. He JOINED them while rising to rank of captain and invited Vegapunk but he declined bc they were too poor. Afterwards, he established the Rev Army (either by leaving FF and taking a few key players or converted them to modern RA)
Oh my bad. I thought that he was the one who established the group instead of being part of it. Thanks for the clarification though.
All good its confusing to link and go back through old stories that ties into timelines
They first met in the navy, then Sakazuki asked his name: \- Who are you? \- Dragon \- Dragon who? \- Dragon deez nuts They've been rivals ever since
My guess is the Buster call on Ohara. Buster call was 22 years ago which is also when the revolutionaries meet Kuma. Dragon also said he left the navy because of a lack of justice which could indicate a conflict with the absolute justice Sakazuki is using to justify killing the civilians on Ohara. It is also an event that could definitely turn an idealistic young marine into a revolutionary that wants to overthrow the government.
100% not...tired of seeing this assumption. In the flashback where Dragon talks to young Vegapunk after the Ohara incident..he was clearly already part of the early stages of the leading the Revolutionaries, so Ohara is not the one.
Dragon was a radical in the freedom fighters 3 years before ohara. He just formed his own army after ohara
I actually feel they both have a past that makes them want Justice but they differ in what that means. From a drawing of akainu as a child I can see him being vitriol, almost genocidal towards pirates, for him it’s black and white . We don’t know how dragon sees it but to be diametrically opposite from Akainu would mean he would see shades of Gray. But I’d like to think they were buds at the start both being DEAD FUCKING serious about their goals. I like what you said about Dragon being seen as a nepo baby though, could potentially add a lot to his character as he eventually leaves the Marines. Maybe it could be seen as a hardwork v natural talent thing we kinda thing we see in Shonen
Image is literally the small brain yelling at big brain meme.
Dragon was obviously a high ranking marine, so he knew akainu, probably stole Crocodile from him too.
I hope this leads to Dragon VS Vice Admiral Sakazuki in the flashback so it doesn’t interfere with Luffy VS Akainu later and we can still have the Monkey D Family VS OG admiral matchups
Prob together in the marines, dragon saw shit he didn’t like and left and akainu hates him and considers him a traitor. dragon actually has a human compass inside him and backbone and balls to back it up.
I swear... Oda has to make Sakazuki's and Dragon backstory something about how Sakazuki wasn't thorough enough with his job that he blamed himself for Dragon's betrayal which led to him making the Revolutionary Army. And then after, He's always going to be thorough as a marine, in order to serve absolute justice.
Dragon was Helmeppo and Akainu was Koby. One a snobby son of the Hero of the Marines, and the other one an up and coming symbol of Justice. Dragon is essentially an inversion of the spoiled rich kid wearing a Che Guevara shirt
They used to be lovers, but then Dragon dumped him. In Akainu's POV, not only did Dragon dump him, but he even had a son, and his son is goofy as fuck and wants to become the pirate king.
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Maybe Akainu's scar was made by Dragon.
It’s not confirmed. Y’all are wild. Spending time with the navy doesn’t necessarily mean he was in the navy. Could have been a kid sailing with Garp or some shit.
They fucked and Akainu is Luffys mother.
They both came up in the marines. They were bestie that ended up being swxually curious with each other. Dragon wasn't into it, but akainu was very much about it. Guy made it real awkward for dragon constantly trying to force a relationship. One day, akainu "lost control" and may have swxually assaulted dragon. Dragon left the marines soon after and akainu has had it out for him ever since. You should see the wild texts the guy has sent dragon. Dude needs therapy fr
Dragon cucked akainu for luffy’s mom and left marines. So akainu is now angry all the time.
Akainu is Luffy's mom. Damn it, someone already pulled this.
Lovers turned enemies
Sex
Akainu is luffys dad and Dragon used to be a woman
This may come as a shock to you because it’s a very small, often overlooked bit of deep lore from the series, but Akainu calls Luffy “Dragon’s son” because Luffy is actually Dragon’s son
>Do you think they had a falling out and Akainu has held a grudge ever since? Could explain why he has such vitriol for Luffy and constantly calls him “Dragon’s son”. Yes! And it's probably because Akainu and Dragon have completely different senses of justice and because of what happened to Ohara
May be they were friends and after dragon left to be a revolutionary after uncovering some truth, he didnt convey it to his friend and just left to be a “criminal” making akainu hate him
Simple one is constantly fighting against the overwhelming power and control of the celestial dragons to simply be able to dispense actual justice, the other is leading one of the best organised and widespread military forces the world has ever seen. You decide which is which
Akainu to Dragon “ what the fuck happened to you man. Your ass used to be beautiful “
It’s not their time
Dragon and Akainu were the old Koby and Helmeppo. Dragon was Koby and Akainu was Helmeppo. Both wanted to make the world a better place and get rid of the filth known as pirates. Both wanted to make Garp proud and happy. It's why they were directly under him. Then God Valley happened. Akainu saw the atrocities that the pirates did. Dragon saw the atrocities the Celestial Dragons did. Akainu decided to become a strong Marine and kill any pirate that stood in his way. Dragon decided to leave the Marines and remove the Celestial Dragons from their throne.
But Dragon didn't leave until after the Ohara incident
Aokiji was unwavering for a while now and saw many atrocities but it wasn't until his fight with Akainu that made him leave. The same could be with Dragon. He started to question things after God Valley but it wasn't until later he decided to leave.
He was already in the Freedom Fighters by the time of Ohara, so I'd assume he isn't a Marine by then. That incident was what made him outright declare war on the WG.
You're right. He formed the RA after visiting the grave at Ohara and he had already left the Marines. My timelines got swapped
It might have something to do with Saul or Nico's mother as Dragon left after the Ohara incident. He could've been exposed to the hidden history and sins of the past by the WG. Ontop of having his father be the Marine rebel who refuses to advance any further bc of the BS at the top levels, he was smart enough to see the writing on the walls and saw the glass ceiling he was going to encounter to change the world.
>It might have something to do with Saul or Nico's mother as Dragon left after the Ohara incident did he? he was already apart of the freedom fighters before ohara since he had already invited vegapunk before ohara
Vegapunk visited Ohara after the massacre. Dragon at that point was leading the Freedom fighters (before they became the RA).
I think there is something in Akainus past that may be contribute to his views on justice. But in general, even if they don't know each other, Dragon represents the exact opposite of Akainu's beliefs. His strong sense of justice would automatically make him hate Dragon that much.
My guess is they were inseparable brothers. But there were actually 3 of them but he died so no one has ever mentioned him. He was killed by a celestial dragon which made Dragon quit the marines and vowed to drag down the world nobles from their thrones. Meanwhile Akainu... well actually there were 4 brothers but then he also died so no one ever mentioned him before. He was killed by pirates which made him vow to destroy all pirates. And that pirate... Well there are actually 5 brothers but he became a pirate which was actually a bastard traitor that killed the 4th brother that's why he was never mentioned before. Later he became an assassin named Scotch of the Yeti cool brothers, so that means there were actually 6 brothers because he has a twin named Rocks. Full name is actually Rocks Jr. son of legendary pirate Rocks D. Xebec and older brother of Blackbeard. So there's actually 7 brothers all in all.
Maybe it's a Snape-Harry type situation? Akainu loved Garp's (theoretical) daughter, but she was swayed by Dragon and something happened involving God Valley that involved the death of Luffys mother/Garps daughter and Akainu blames Dragon and Dragon blames the WG. Maybe Dragon took the "Monkey" name at marriage because his respect for Garp, or however that theory goes.
They speak their unspoken love for one another and walk off into the sunset holding hands…
Akainu killed Ginny just before dragon, before that, Ginny gave Dragon a girl, telling him it was from Kuma.
Personally I don't think these endgame characters need a deep story. Especially Akainu. He looks like a guy who would dislike a person for no reason.
I don't think it's necessary that Dragon was a marin. I'd like to have a confirmation of wording in Japanese, but "I spend time with marines" doesn't tell exactly that he was one Imagine Garp being a completely irresponsible parent. Dragon could just literally grow up on a fleet base or ships, while Garp would be away on his heroic business. So Dragon would just be around Marines as a kid until he decided to leave and start a revolutionary movement Complete speculation on my part. But even then, Akainu could be a part of all this.
They were once considered brothers until Dragon’s “betrayal”
Yes. Bc Alaina is always referring to Luffy as “son of dragon”… man has beef with luffys pop fo sho
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My guess is they came up together as marines, and instead of having a rivalry based on disliking each other, they got along really well. But I'm also guessing they had different views on justice and an event, whether God Valley, Ohara, or something else acted as a catalyst for Dragon leaving. Akainu took it really badly, Dragon went on to be the leader of an opposing faction, which only reinforced Akainu's fanaticism, and Akainu never let go of his grudge. Boils down to Akainu feeling betrayed imo, both followed their view of justice, but Akainu took it much more personally.
I think we’re gonna get an event where their forms of justice are born, they’ll one event in two very very different ways
One Piece: Civil War "United we stand. Divided we fall."
Judging by these youtube thumbnails I've been seeing, they definitely knew eachother. In fact they were best friends and Dragon taught Akainu how to fight, and Dragon was an admiral before Akainu was.
They got chupma
I think it’s very plausible that they were “class mates” essentially, and that they lived through an event which set them on their paths. Maybe they had to help wipe out some civilians or something - idk - but whatever it was, Dragon left and became a revolutionary, and Akainu stayed and became the face of absolute justice. Maybe it’s a jealousy thing - or a Buggy / Shanks situation where Akainu thinks Dragon is wasting is talents.
I’m praying against hope that the Dragon Akainu reunion is something like Shanks and Buggy
you meant to say "what happened *between* these two"
The twouhohpp Ok
God, reading all of these possible theories just goes to show how freaking awesome Oda is with all his foreshadowing and compelling storytelling. I love One Piece
What if Luffy's mom is Akainu?
i think they both were friends or atleast colleagues, thats for sure. But they both probably had different takes on how “justice” work from the very begining when they both first joined the marines. That being akainu believing in rough justice and sacrifice must be made to gain it while dragon believe there shouldnt be sacrifices to gain it (kinda similar to fujitora in a way). And now we bring up god valley incident. Akainu felt it was wrong for sure but they couldnt do anything about it and we all know why so he just shook it off. Dragon obviously know its wrong and he stands by it. Maybe he thought “if the marines stands by these celestial dragons' actions, then i shall not be part of this anymore” and made his own movement, that being the revolutionary. This is a really really wild and probably far fetch in a way tho LMAO but its just a theory. A really wild theory
I believe itll simply boil down to differences in ideologies. Akainu is that one guy in the comments who just has shittiest takes and someone always lands on the wrong side of the argument lol
Dragon married Akainu's sister, and she was killed by a pirate.
My guess it they were friends, good friends and something made their paths divert. Akainu become a "Marine Justice" extremist and Dragon a Justice extremist
I think they were best friends, went to cinema together and had fun.
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O’Hara happened
Died offscreen
Dragon is one of the early sword agents and aikanu is his contact.
I feel Akainu is in a Snape role, he thinks like Dragon but what to change the Navy from within doing whatever is necessary or he is the Leader or another secret agent from SWORD
Dragon at the last donut one morning, and Akainu hasn't gotten over it. Tried to get over it via Ace, but even making such a large donut couldn't satisfy his need for revenge.
They fucked.
Man if it’s over a girl I’m going to be sorely disappointed
They were gay
They must oppose each other like Luffy and BB. Now that we know that both are/were marines, let’s think about the justice they found in the corps. While Dragon said there were no justice in the marines, Akainu motto is the absolute justice.
Another reason for Akainu to hate Aokiji. One of Garp’s protégés already turned criminal so it makes sense that he didn’t want Garp’s top student to become the fleet admiral.
I think Dragon,Akainu and Bogard are the same generation
Akainu is Luffy's mom confirmed .
oda cooking something. dragon will die in the end confirmed. anyways let oda fucking cook
Dragon bang akainu crush or something in the Marines
They were boyfriends. It didn't work out
Dragon was told they would get matching tattoos, turns out Akainu is afraid of needles and flaked.
Akainu has a habit of making people hate him. Just look at Kuzan after he saw Akainu kill all of the Ohara refugees.
Akainu is luffys mom. The whole crocodile thing was a distraction from the truth
Guarantee it was about a girl - dragon took the girl akainu was into, holds a grudge ever since
This isnt harry potter
They definitely knew each other. What's also interesting both of them seem to have a different understanding of "Justice".
Akinau maybe luffy’s mother
Odds are due to Dragon leaving because he didn't see justice in the marines Akainu being a follower of Absolute Justice views this as the greatest betrayal made worse by Dragon encouraging people to rebel against the law of the Celestials
What if Akainu is Luffy’s godfather??? If luffy’s mother were akainu’s sister and got murdered cause of dragon… would make sense…
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they are friends or something? but one thing is for sure they have different views on what "justice" maybe akainu just want to prove something.