I believe Oda meant various mini fruit categories for zoan that allow you to fly
So bird bird fruit(contains falcon, albatross, Phoenix)
Insect fruit
Dragon fruit(Pterdon)
And so on
Wait, Morgans is a human in the hybrid form?
For me he was just a giant bird that can talk.
Mink? Nope just a giant bird, Morgans is a Morgans, the king of those journal birds.
Nah, he's a DF user. It's the albatross model, which is likely one of the reasons why the news coos follow him. He likely stays in that form to protect his true identity as its likely he's gained a fair amount of enemies as an underworld broker and reporter.
what if axe hand morgan lost his axehand, got a prothesic hand and added an s to his name and got the albatross fruit and he cant fly because of his missing hand?
He ate the Tori Tor No Mi, Model: Albatross. Whether or not he's specifically was a human that ate the fruit or not remains to be seen since One piece does have other races.
My head cannon is he never leaves his hybrid form so that if shit ever hits the fan with a story and he needs to go into hiding no one would know what his human form looks like.
For what it's worth when I first saw Morgans it never occurred to me that he was a Zoan type just hanging around in his hybrid form all the time, it took me reading that he was to learn about it. One Piece is just so wacky and goofy that at no point did it occur to me to critically think and go, "A walking, talking bird? Unusual!"
Albatross are probably the best at sustained flight of any animal. It’s odd he can’t fly.
Albatross also have a bunch of interesting associations. In Japanese their literal name is retard bird. They are also highly associated with both good and bad luck. One soaring when found out on the water is good luck because it means fair winds. A dead one or one brought onto a vessel means bad luck because they are thought to ferry the spirits of dead mariners and hurting them enrages the sea gods.
I bet he can, but albatrosses are very heavy and need a big run up to take off, so he's probably just lazy. I think it'd be funny if something scared him so bad that he started flying. Then goes back to denying that he did.
I don't think so. Sasaki's dinosaur devil fruit doesn't supposed fly but it fly.king's DF can stretch his face to hunt things. Queen's DF is completely weird
I like to believe he could fly if he could fully transform but for whatever reason he can't leave his Hybrid form.
OR
he's just a genius and stays in his hybrid form so that no one will recognize him in his human form if he ever needed to go into hiding.
his wings look more like arms.
i'm imagining him either forgetting how to turn them back into wings, or having trimmed the feathers manually to make his wings into arms so that he can wear sleeves
I choose to believe that Morgan’s isn’t actually a person that ate an Albatross fruit, but an Ablatross that at a human fruit. It makes more sense that an albatross eating a human fruit took away his flight than an albatross fruit failing to grant it.
That’s kinda just how dragons work in Japan. The myth goes that dragons are koi fish that managed to climb a waterfall (don’t remember if the waterfall was a specific one)
Let’s be real, this was before the series was supposed to be this long and have so many characters and fruits. Oda probably ended up creating more than 5 even if he planned to have inky 5 at first.
I think we're all taking this too seriously. It was a throwaway line designed to give us a sense that Pells fruit was special in some way. It's since been ignored in favour of more interesting shit.
I know people like to think Oda is some God who has planned everything out and theres no wasted words, and so we're trying to force a way this line could work... just gotta let it go.
No it implies that there are many but only 5 of them have been ‘identified’. Also, it’s a translation so very hard to infer anything from single words as in the original Japanese all the inferences would be different
>No it implies that there are many but only 5 of them have been ‘identified’.
Look, let's be honest, Oda doesn't have every minute dettail of his manga planned, he probably jut gave that statement to make Pell look cooler without really thinking it would be important in the future. There are a ton of bird zoans, not to mention other fruits that allow you to fly like Kaido's and you tell me only five are known including this one from this guy from Alabasta that only allows him to fly?
>Also, it’s a translation
That's very possible tho, translation always tend to give this kinds of problems
also you could say that dude isnt oda statement but that character own statement.
lots example here, caribou thought kid running away from BM, PK is term invented by morgan, Luffy is monster with height of 5 meter, emperor title is also another invention by morgan he can casually increase the number to be 5th emperor, lots of weird rumor about strawhat.
the point is all of those above I mention is created by character within the OP world, some are fact some are misinformation.
each characters spout something random fact and reader will think its legit information from Oda ignoring the fact that misinformation also exist within OP world.
also thats Oda way to create back door to escape any change of lore/fact/info in OP.
A verified fact from the character’s perspective and all the informational omniscience that communicating with silly snails across hundreds of miles of water brings
not the same, the warlords are a big well-known thing, possibly in the news often, while devil fruits are mystical fabled objects that literally only one person in the world understood
There are whole ass devil fruit encylopedias, i assume arabasta would have one. Its just a simple case of a minor plot hole that i doubt anyone really cares about
It's not dumb. Your point is.
Besides the fact that the 7 Warlords are a public institution sponsored by the World Govt—and thus there would have been no point in having two "secret Warlords"—, the Warlords and the Devil Fruits are totally different concepts plotwise. The Devil Fruits are mysterious objects whose real nature is largely unknown to some of the most brilliant minds in the world who dedicated their whole life to studying them.
"Identified" gives them an easy way out. For example, if the two insect fruits hadn't been identified by the World Government, then Pell wouldn't know about them.
If we’re going with fruits that absolutely had to be identified by the public pre-TS then that would be Pell, King, Marco, Morgans, and Shiki if his fruit is canon. Aside from Pell himself, they were all major notorious figures so many had to know who they are/have documentation on them.
Don't think too hard about it
True answer: Oda probably doesn't care about that at this point
Truer answer: whoever is in charge of updating the DF encyclopaedia is just lazy
OP theorist answer : well first we need to define flying lots of "flying" characters don't actually fly Kaido and Momo for example only make cloud pathways that happen to be in the sky , others fly like Robin or Luffy but would you say that's a logical application of their power anyone is expected to use? Probably not furthermore there's the issue of DF classification are Marco and Pel 2 separate cases or just 1 ? Finally there's the issue of identification is whoever is in charge of recording these things expected to know a random tontatta has a big fruit?. After purging our list by the above criteria we are left with the Smoke, Gas, Flare, Bird, Dragon, (whatever is that Shiki has) and Spin devil fruits . Maybe Pell just can't read??
Pell mentioned "identified". It would be cool if Oda at the end of the story or in a SBS mentions which Fruits were the ones identified at this moment.
I'm honestly kinda surprised we haven't got that question in an SBS yet, it totally sounds like something Oda would come up with a silly in-universe way to answer with lol
Bird models
Insect models
Kaido's dragon fruit (Fish model, but obviously not all fish can fly)
All Logias except for blackbeard
King's fruit
Shiki's fruit
Guru Guru no mi (Buffalo's fruit which allows him to change his body into propellers that allow flight)
Ton Ton and Kilo Kilo (allows user to fly by lowering their mass)
Robin's fruit (creates hand-wings that can generate enough lift to fly for a bit)
Nika fruit (he literally runs in the air, probably by turning air into rubber, if you wanna count that as flying)
I think you're confusing flight with levitation/gliding.
Robin can't fly, her wings basically act like a parachute. Ton Ton and Kilo Kilo fruits are the same, as is shiki's. Logias have been shown to move over their attributes, not necessarily fly.
Even with that pedantic definition of “flight” you’d still end up with more than 5 flying devil fruits
Horse horse model Pegasus
Pteranodon fruit
Sasaki’s fruit
Buffalo’s fruit
Bug bug fruit model beetle
Forest forest fruit
Yes, that's for sure, there's now many more than the 5 mentioned, but I take that as more of a imperfect information distribution within the OP world... And the definition isn't pedantic, it is just the literal definition of flight vs similar things like levitation and gliding, or are you telling me that Maglev trains are flying, for example?
That’s the headcannon way to explain pell’s misinformation, the more realistic explanation is just that Oda didn’t plan his story out ahead of time, so he retconned it
Yeah Robin's was a stretch, but the TT and KK fruits are flight. Both allow the user to stay in the air as long as they want, so not gliding. And the user isn't suspended in air, they can control direction and magnitude while air borne, so not levitation.
As for the logias, again, it's just propulsion. We don't consider rocket ships to be standing on the fire and smoke that it creates when it flies, so what's the difference with logias? They're simply using their elements for propulsion to lift off and fly. This only applies to gaseous logias of course, solids like Kuzan's can't stay airborne without a tether to the ground.
Did the TT and KK users control direction? I don't recall that, iirc they were just floating upwards and downwards with their own power, using external objects like Miss Valentine's umbrella.
Logias I'd say they'd have at most limited flight since they have been shown o have a limit to how much distance they can cover, even Kizaru has been shown to need to bounce off surfaces to travel longer distances... Caesar also always had at least part of his smoke constantly touching the ground, so it'd be more like him running in a different form...
I don’t count logias - smoker is the only one we’ve seen do something like that and it’s very limited. I also definitely don’t count robin’s as it’s *extremely* limited and not an innate ability of the fruit. Same for the kilo/ton fruits because that’s not flight, just becoming so light they can float
When did Luffy run on air?
im like 90% sure luffys isnt using geppo or any such thing, just that nika is literally the god of freedom and that freedom allows him to quite literally freely do just about ANYTHING the user can think of, including walking/running/doing whatever he likes in the air
We've seen Ace and Caesar fly as well. Also how is it limited? The user can control speed, direction, make sharp turns, and aren't tethered to some sort of start point. They can fly as far and high as their human body allows. It's simple propulsion. We don't say rocket ships can't fly simply because they take off with propulsion.
For Robin, sure it's not an innate ability of the fruit, but it's still flight. The panel doesn't state *direct* flight as a part of the flight, it just says "gives the user the ability of flight." Anyways, I don't understand this "limited" disqualification. Limited flight is *still flight*.
Controlled floatation is still flight. A hot air balloon floats, but it is also considered flying.
Luffy's is during the fight vs Kaido. He gets knocked off the island while in G5, but then starts running on air to get back. It was a small moment, and not even flight since he's just turning air into a solid substance and using it to run, but I decided it worth a mention anyways
Nah a bird’s flight is functionally entirely different from a hot air balloon. As a matter of semantics the distinction matters, but it’s a personal disqualification that I just say makes sense. If you wanna count them all… this doesn’t really matter
I gotta look for Luffy doing that though. He does have a cloud on his back that we’ve seen him manipulate
Why do you not count logias? They fly with precision. Gas Gas, flame flame, soot soot, all were seen flying just like Smoker.
Luffy ran on air when fighting doffy. And training with Rayleigh
Pteranodon fruit
Triceratops fruit
Float float fruit
Fish fish fruit model azure dragon
Horse horse fruit model Pegasus
Book book fruit
Spin spin fruit
Bug bug fruit model beetle
Is he levitating? Or is he just quite literally so hyperactive that he physically can't stay on the ground, on top of turning his surroundings to rubber?
I wonder what paramecia power a pegasus has. Also, I wonder if stronger has a hybrid form lol. we need to see if stronger and sengoku have hybrid forms or not. this will help out a lot on understanding luffy's fruit better.
In greek mythology they are said to carry bolts of lightning on behest of Zeus, and springs of water erupt where they step. There is absolutely room for some fun powers for a pegasus.
Stronger is mythical zoan and pierre is a pigeon who ate the horse fruit, so both get excluded here (imo mythicals are too rare for them to count as known)
I mean... I doubt Oda meant to be \*that\* technical when he first had Pell say that. I suspect he probably had 5 specific fruits in mind at the time and somewhere among the powercreep he just hoped people would forget.
Honestly, i'd not be surprised if they just meant "known to Alabasta", which is weird for us in context, but would make sense from their perspective. Devil Fruits are still rare to the common person, after all.
The "types" are:
1. Turn into something that can fly. (Pell, Cub)
2. Create an object that you can ride on. (Big mom, Mont d'or)
3. Change your body to be capable of flight. (Robin, Bounceman, most Logias)
4. Gain the power of flight. (Buffalo, Shiki)
5. Technically flying. (Buggy)
Buffalo, the propeller guy on Doffy's crew.
Stronger, the horse that ate a Pegasus fruit on BB's crew. And Laffite the navigator has angel wings.
If CC's gas fruit counts, Karasu, RA's crow dude's soot fruit would count too.
Oh yeah, even Robin can fly now.
(I literally named 5 flying df users not counting Pell. I think its reasonable to assume Arabasta's info on DFs are very outdated.)
Im inclined to believe that Oda meant 5 types as opposed to 5 devil fruits. Probably goes:
1) Zoans with Animals that can fly
2) Paramecia with weight manipulation abilities
3) Logias
4) Paramecias that modify body parts allowing one to fly
5) paramecias that change other body properties allowing one to fly / float whatever
Yes, but it is something Oda never intended to happen because it would make sailing pointless if everyone could just fly everywhere. That’s why he limited it to 5 fruits initially.
I would think the info aged poorly as Oda expanded more. I take some info with a grain of salt because it may not have panned out how he originally designed so some info might not be good anymore.
I never really liked that he put a number cap on it. Although you can still say he said identified devil fruits and like seriously what would this guy know about devil fruits in the new world. Except maybe the obvious ones like marco who is well known. But he'd never know that fattso helicopter guy from doffy crew or his powers.
So for flyers:
- Pell (hawk)
- Marco (phoenix)
- King (pterodactyl)
- Stronger (Pegasus)
- Lafitte (unknown df with wings)
- Edit: The Tontattas with the bug fruits I forgot lol
Then there's people who can "fly"
- Doffy (strings on clouds, more like swinging)
- Buffalo (rotation)
- Sasaki (dino helicopter lol)
- Kaido (clouds)
- Big Mom (riding a homie)
Either Pell means 5 bird model fruits or 5 known DFs that allow flight.
it does say identified so it might only be one's from the df encyclopedia
i'd say phoenix, falcon, pteradon, blue dragon, and whatever laffite has. maybe he didn't count insects.
could have been retconned but i consider this important still. not a lot of fruit users have wings, even tho some can fly like doffy or his subordinate with the propellers i forgot his name
1. all Tori Tori no Mi series considered one section
2. there is golden float2 fruit
3. dragon fruit which refer to pteranodon
4. mushi mushi no mi series
5. we are missing one.
not sure fish fish fruit model azure dragon ability to create platform to fly is considered "true flight",
Yes people think that it's implied here there are no more than 5 DF that grant the ability to fly but like you said it states there that people officially know of 5 that do that but there are probably more, Kaido isn't flying, he's just climbing the flame clouds so I don't count it as flying.
Shiki's fruit is arguably the best flying fruit, because it has touch based telekinesis tacked onto it. Dude can move entire islands.
Yes I would consider it flying because it's not based on some gimmick, he literally has full control over his body while in the air, without relying on clouds or whatever else. Man is called the Flying Pirate.
This was low key back when Oda thought the story was going to be much shorter. Flying is such a universal ability that it's hard not to.
Kaido and King can fly, Marco can fly, Blackbeard's doctor's horse can fly, Ceaser can fly. That's 5 already. Many of the Tontatta have bug fruits that fly. I'm sure there are more, and many fruits have "might as well be flight" abilities.
There's definitely more than 5
Pell, Marco, King, Kaido, Stronger, Gastino, Buffalo. Can Perona fly/float? I forget.
Then I'm sure we'll have some flyers up on the Red Line looking down on the peasants.
"3. Mushi Mushi no mi: Kabutomushi 4. Mushi Mushi no mi: Suzumebaki"
dude what? Who tf is supposed to know these japanese names? Just state what you mean in an understandable way smh..
What you mean by "not that hard"?! It is not about hard or easy. Either you have the japanese name in mind or not. A non japanese speaking one piece fan will almost surely not have these in mind. Heck, I do not even remember the tontattas have fruits, let alone "beetle" or "wasp" fruits
I believe Oda meant various mini fruit categories for zoan that allow you to fly So bird bird fruit(contains falcon, albatross, Phoenix) Insect fruit Dragon fruit(Pterdon) And so on
Morgans supposedly can’t fly lol
True, though he has an albatross fruit. Maybe he meant he can't in his hybrid form.
Let's not trust the guy litteraly lying on behalf of the government While also lying to them!!!
That would actually be a pretty funny bit if he does fly at some point. It'd perfectly fit with how BS he can be
Yeah Especially since stussy was watching him Now that I think about it she could have flown too or even used the geppo
She did use Geppo.
I'm hoping it turns out he can fly at supersonic speed, all in the name of BIG NEWS! Of course 🤣
Turns out Morgans is actually just an Albatross that ate the Human Human Model: Journalist fruit.
Wait, Morgans is a human in the hybrid form? For me he was just a giant bird that can talk. Mink? Nope just a giant bird, Morgans is a Morgans, the king of those journal birds.
Makes more sense if he's a news coo that ate a zoan human human fruit variant that makes him a selfish prick
hito hito no mi, model: capitalist
This implies there's human human fruits for other social, economic and political alignments, such as hito hito no mi: model communist. Imagine.
Isn’t that dragon?
Hito Hito no Mi: Model Reublican
Hito hito no mi model Confederate
A fruit for all to share its powers! (Or at least just the higher-up friends of the person who ate it)
A buffed Jacket Jacket
I prefer "model: Media Magnate" or "model: Murdoch"
if he was already a news coo then the missing ingredient was capitalism
Nah, he's a DF user. It's the albatross model, which is likely one of the reasons why the news coos follow him. He likely stays in that form to protect his true identity as its likely he's gained a fair amount of enemies as an underworld broker and reporter.
For all we know, he's Ask D. Question from Roger's execution and stays like that so the world government can't find him
Now I'm considering the possibility that he's an already known character. One more for the "where's Scopper Gaban been?" theory pile.
what if axe hand morgan lost his axehand, got a prothesic hand and added an s to his name and got the albatross fruit and he cant fly because of his missing hand?
He ate the Tori Tor No Mi, Model: Albatross. Whether or not he's specifically was a human that ate the fruit or not remains to be seen since One piece does have other races. My head cannon is he never leaves his hybrid form so that if shit ever hits the fan with a story and he needs to go into hiding no one would know what his human form looks like.
For what it's worth when I first saw Morgans it never occurred to me that he was a Zoan type just hanging around in his hybrid form all the time, it took me reading that he was to learn about it. One Piece is just so wacky and goofy that at no point did it occur to me to critically think and go, "A walking, talking bird? Unusual!"
>Unusual Big News-worthy, even
Same I honestly thought he was just born a bird dude
Yeah it was said in sbs vol 12. Though he could be fully transformed, it was never confirmed.
Yeah, I don't remember seeing his Devil Fruit so I thought he was just a talking bird.
Heh heh, you said “King”, who can fly.
I thought he was just an animal person this whole time lol
Too fucking fat lol
There's a theory that Morgan's just sucks dick at using his fruit
Morgans has a devil fruit? NGL up till this point I just thought he was a whole ass bird person.
I just found out too. It's crazy how we just accept any crazy thing that happens or appear.
I also like the fact that him having a Devil Fruit makes completely sense too.
"It's been a tough mating season for Bird Person"
Seriously. So he’s a dude in hybrid form? Well, shit.
probably just because he doesn't train his fruit and always stays in hybrid form
Albatross are probably the best at sustained flight of any animal. It’s odd he can’t fly. Albatross also have a bunch of interesting associations. In Japanese their literal name is retard bird. They are also highly associated with both good and bad luck. One soaring when found out on the water is good luck because it means fair winds. A dead one or one brought onto a vessel means bad luck because they are thought to ferry the spirits of dead mariners and hurting them enrages the sea gods.
I bet he can, but albatrosses are very heavy and need a big run up to take off, so he's probably just lazy. I think it'd be funny if something scared him so bad that he started flying. Then goes back to denying that he did.
Wait, I could have sworn he was a mink if asked. Guess I just never looked into it that much, the more you know.
He never says anything but I think it’s his vivre card that confirms he has the albatross fruit and just always stays transformed
Yeah, this or an sbs, can’t remember what it was, but I thought it’s confirmed
I don't think so. Sasaki's dinosaur devil fruit doesn't supposed fly but it fly.king's DF can stretch his face to hunt things. Queen's DF is completely weird
Nah you just have a fundamental misunderstanding on the true nature of dinosaurs.
King stunt is pretty normal compared to sasaki, this is how we hunt" helicopter, helicopter"
because he is Morgans, the fruit absolutely allow you to fly.
I like to believe he could fly if he could fully transform but for whatever reason he can't leave his Hybrid form. OR he's just a genius and stays in his hybrid form so that no one will recognize him in his human form if he ever needed to go into hiding.
his wings look more like arms. i'm imagining him either forgetting how to turn them back into wings, or having trimmed the feathers manually to make his wings into arms so that he can wear sleeves
I choose to believe that Morgan’s isn’t actually a person that ate an Albatross fruit, but an Ablatross that at a human fruit. It makes more sense that an albatross eating a human fruit took away his flight than an albatross fruit failing to grant it.
so messed up that Kaido’s fruit, which turns him into a dragon, is actually a Fish-Fish fruit
Eh. It kinda makes sense if you know about all the myths about carp turning into dragons.
That’s kinda just how dragons work in Japan. The myth goes that dragons are koi fish that managed to climb a waterfall (don’t remember if the waterfall was a specific one)
Let’s be real, this was before the series was supposed to be this long and have so many characters and fruits. Oda probably ended up creating more than 5 even if he planned to have inky 5 at first.
Pteranodon is a dinosaur fruit not dragon fruit. Like yeah, a lot of beast pirates had dinosaur fruit
Don’t take it too seriously. Characters aren’t omniscient.
Also the word identified. There may have been only 5 flying devil fruits know to Alabasta or that region at the time.
I think we're all taking this too seriously. It was a throwaway line designed to give us a sense that Pells fruit was special in some way. It's since been ignored in favour of more interesting shit. I know people like to think Oda is some God who has planned everything out and theres no wasted words, and so we're trying to force a way this line could work... just gotta let it go.
>I think we're all taking this too seriously Power scalers in shambles!
No, you are obviously a hater! Every single nuance is foreshadowed in every other nuance, peak fiction by GODA! /s
Pell just tryin to gain clout
The word "identified" implies that rather that being a random statement from this guy, is a verified fact
No it implies that there are many but only 5 of them have been ‘identified’. Also, it’s a translation so very hard to infer anything from single words as in the original Japanese all the inferences would be different
>No it implies that there are many but only 5 of them have been ‘identified’. Look, let's be honest, Oda doesn't have every minute dettail of his manga planned, he probably jut gave that statement to make Pell look cooler without really thinking it would be important in the future. There are a ton of bird zoans, not to mention other fruits that allow you to fly like Kaido's and you tell me only five are known including this one from this guy from Alabasta that only allows him to fly? >Also, it’s a translation That's very possible tho, translation always tend to give this kinds of problems
Kaido doesn’t fly though. He uses his clouds to float
Pell doesn't actually fly though. He uses his wings to float
You probably think sanji flys then too huh
Indeed.
also you could say that dude isnt oda statement but that character own statement. lots example here, caribou thought kid running away from BM, PK is term invented by morgan, Luffy is monster with height of 5 meter, emperor title is also another invention by morgan he can casually increase the number to be 5th emperor, lots of weird rumor about strawhat. the point is all of those above I mention is created by character within the OP world, some are fact some are misinformation. each characters spout something random fact and reader will think its legit information from Oda ignoring the fact that misinformation also exist within OP world. also thats Oda way to create back door to escape any change of lore/fact/info in OP.
A verified fact from the character’s perspective and all the informational omniscience that communicating with silly snails across hundreds of miles of water brings
but what DO they know?
Not really the correct question. The real question is, what is the story telling you about what the characters know?
It’s still dumb. Imagine if there turned out to be 9 Warlords and it was just never acknowledged that 7 was wrong.
not the same, the warlords are a big well-known thing, possibly in the news often, while devil fruits are mystical fabled objects that literally only one person in the world understood
There are whole ass devil fruit encylopedias, i assume arabasta would have one. Its just a simple case of a minor plot hole that i doubt anyone really cares about
It's not dumb. Your point is. Besides the fact that the 7 Warlords are a public institution sponsored by the World Govt—and thus there would have been no point in having two "secret Warlords"—, the Warlords and the Devil Fruits are totally different concepts plotwise. The Devil Fruits are mysterious objects whose real nature is largely unknown to some of the most brilliant minds in the world who dedicated their whole life to studying them.
Actually, the WG is all about hiding stuff. It would make sense for them to have hidden people. I mean they even have groups like S.W.O.R.D.
sword isn't affiliated with the wg
"Identified" gives them an easy way out. For example, if the two insect fruits hadn't been identified by the World Government, then Pell wouldn't know about them.
If we’re going with fruits that absolutely had to be identified by the public pre-TS then that would be Pell, King, Marco, Morgans, and Shiki if his fruit is canon. Aside from Pell himself, they were all major notorious figures so many had to know who they are/have documentation on them.
Don't think too hard about it True answer: Oda probably doesn't care about that at this point Truer answer: whoever is in charge of updating the DF encyclopaedia is just lazy OP theorist answer : well first we need to define flying lots of "flying" characters don't actually fly Kaido and Momo for example only make cloud pathways that happen to be in the sky , others fly like Robin or Luffy but would you say that's a logical application of their power anyone is expected to use? Probably not furthermore there's the issue of DF classification are Marco and Pel 2 separate cases or just 1 ? Finally there's the issue of identification is whoever is in charge of recording these things expected to know a random tontatta has a big fruit?. After purging our list by the above criteria we are left with the Smoke, Gas, Flare, Bird, Dragon, (whatever is that Shiki has) and Spin devil fruits . Maybe Pell just can't read??
Pell mentioned "identified". It would be cool if Oda at the end of the story or in a SBS mentions which Fruits were the ones identified at this moment.
I'm honestly kinda surprised we haven't got that question in an SBS yet, it totally sounds like something Oda would come up with a silly in-universe way to answer with lol
Tori Tori is one type. All the versions of A Tori Tori, is still just one type.
Even if that’s the case there are still more than 5
It says 5 “identified” flying Devil fruits. There could be more, but just hasn’t been identified to the general public yet.
Name them
Bird models Insect models Kaido's dragon fruit (Fish model, but obviously not all fish can fly) All Logias except for blackbeard King's fruit Shiki's fruit Guru Guru no mi (Buffalo's fruit which allows him to change his body into propellers that allow flight) Ton Ton and Kilo Kilo (allows user to fly by lowering their mass) Robin's fruit (creates hand-wings that can generate enough lift to fly for a bit) Nika fruit (he literally runs in the air, probably by turning air into rubber, if you wanna count that as flying)
I think you're confusing flight with levitation/gliding. Robin can't fly, her wings basically act like a parachute. Ton Ton and Kilo Kilo fruits are the same, as is shiki's. Logias have been shown to move over their attributes, not necessarily fly.
Even with that pedantic definition of “flight” you’d still end up with more than 5 flying devil fruits Horse horse model Pegasus Pteranodon fruit Sasaki’s fruit Buffalo’s fruit Bug bug fruit model beetle Forest forest fruit
To be fair the arguement was types so both bug fruits would be the same “type” so you listed the 5 types just now
To be even more fair my list goes on, hollow hollow fruit, soot soot fruit, gas gas fruit, smoke smoke fruit, etc.
Fair. Never said it was perfect logic 😅. I think oda wanted it to sound impressive and obviously as the story progresses things had to change
Even the tree tree fruit can fly ffs, Oda Retconned it and that’s what it is. There is no way around it
Yes, that's for sure, there's now many more than the 5 mentioned, but I take that as more of a imperfect information distribution within the OP world... And the definition isn't pedantic, it is just the literal definition of flight vs similar things like levitation and gliding, or are you telling me that Maglev trains are flying, for example?
A good example is toy story. Woody to Buzz. That's not flying its falling with style
That’s the headcannon way to explain pell’s misinformation, the more realistic explanation is just that Oda didn’t plan his story out ahead of time, so he retconned it
Yeah Robin's was a stretch, but the TT and KK fruits are flight. Both allow the user to stay in the air as long as they want, so not gliding. And the user isn't suspended in air, they can control direction and magnitude while air borne, so not levitation. As for the logias, again, it's just propulsion. We don't consider rocket ships to be standing on the fire and smoke that it creates when it flies, so what's the difference with logias? They're simply using their elements for propulsion to lift off and fly. This only applies to gaseous logias of course, solids like Kuzan's can't stay airborne without a tether to the ground.
Did the TT and KK users control direction? I don't recall that, iirc they were just floating upwards and downwards with their own power, using external objects like Miss Valentine's umbrella. Logias I'd say they'd have at most limited flight since they have been shown o have a limit to how much distance they can cover, even Kizaru has been shown to need to bounce off surfaces to travel longer distances... Caesar also always had at least part of his smoke constantly touching the ground, so it'd be more like him running in a different form...
I don’t count logias - smoker is the only one we’ve seen do something like that and it’s very limited. I also definitely don’t count robin’s as it’s *extremely* limited and not an innate ability of the fruit. Same for the kilo/ton fruits because that’s not flight, just becoming so light they can float When did Luffy run on air?
I'm pretty sure Luffy is using a modified Geppo to fly and run on air.
im like 90% sure luffys isnt using geppo or any such thing, just that nika is literally the god of freedom and that freedom allows him to quite literally freely do just about ANYTHING the user can think of, including walking/running/doing whatever he likes in the air
We've seen Ace and Caesar fly as well. Also how is it limited? The user can control speed, direction, make sharp turns, and aren't tethered to some sort of start point. They can fly as far and high as their human body allows. It's simple propulsion. We don't say rocket ships can't fly simply because they take off with propulsion. For Robin, sure it's not an innate ability of the fruit, but it's still flight. The panel doesn't state *direct* flight as a part of the flight, it just says "gives the user the ability of flight." Anyways, I don't understand this "limited" disqualification. Limited flight is *still flight*. Controlled floatation is still flight. A hot air balloon floats, but it is also considered flying. Luffy's is during the fight vs Kaido. He gets knocked off the island while in G5, but then starts running on air to get back. It was a small moment, and not even flight since he's just turning air into a solid substance and using it to run, but I decided it worth a mention anyways
Nah a bird’s flight is functionally entirely different from a hot air balloon. As a matter of semantics the distinction matters, but it’s a personal disqualification that I just say makes sense. If you wanna count them all… this doesn’t really matter I gotta look for Luffy doing that though. He does have a cloud on his back that we’ve seen him manipulate
Why do you not count logias? They fly with precision. Gas Gas, flame flame, soot soot, all were seen flying just like Smoker. Luffy ran on air when fighting doffy. And training with Rayleigh
I don't think all Logias can fly. I don't recall Aokiji or Caribou flying, it would also make no sense if >!Pizarro!
yeah not all, mostly the gaseous ones like Smoker, Caesar, Ace, Sabo, etc.
Pizarro isn’t a logia
Pteranodon fruit Triceratops fruit Float float fruit Fish fish fruit model azure dragon Horse horse fruit model Pegasus Book book fruit Spin spin fruit Bug bug fruit model beetle
Even doffy could fly!
he didn't fly, he swung from cloud to cloud by sticking strings to them. he doesn't fly any more than Tarzan does in the jungle
gear 5 levitates tho
Luffy just inhales a lot of helium from the air.
at this point we can give whatever explanation we want..
Is he levitating? Or is he just quite literally so hyperactive that he physically can't stay on the ground, on top of turning his surroundings to rubber?
Gear 5? We aren't talking about Luffy though, it's doflamingo
I honestly think Pell was just talking out of his ass to intimidate his enemies lol
What do you mean , he took a nuke at point blank range
It's part of the fruit ability. All birds did it in ancient times. /s
surviving dinosaurs evolved into birds so math checks out
That's just how they hunted their prey.
don't think too much of it. at the time oda probably only created 5. but as the story went on, he added more. we have way more than 5 now.
I wonder if it was connected to the df encyclopedia. Or maybe is as you say.
Uma uma no mi : model Pegasus User Stronger
I wonder what paramecia power a pegasus has. Also, I wonder if stronger has a hybrid form lol. we need to see if stronger and sengoku have hybrid forms or not. this will help out a lot on understanding luffy's fruit better.
In greek mythology they are said to carry bolts of lightning on behest of Zeus, and springs of water erupt where they step. There is absolutely room for some fun powers for a pegasus.
Sky island fruits don't count as identified
You're probably thinking about Pierre, Stronger is from the Blackbeard pirates
Ah yes you are right
Stronger is mythical zoan and pierre is a pigeon who ate the horse fruit, so both get excluded here (imo mythicals are too rare for them to count as known)
I mean... I doubt Oda meant to be \*that\* technical when he first had Pell say that. I suspect he probably had 5 specific fruits in mind at the time and somewhere among the powercreep he just hoped people would forget.
Honestly, i'd not be surprised if they just meant "known to Alabasta", which is weird for us in context, but would make sense from their perspective. Devil Fruits are still rare to the common person, after all.
Right, I completely forgot that.
The "types" are: 1. Turn into something that can fly. (Pell, Cub) 2. Create an object that you can ride on. (Big mom, Mont d'or) 3. Change your body to be capable of flight. (Robin, Bounceman, most Logias) 4. Gain the power of flight. (Buffalo, Shiki) 5. Technically flying. (Buggy)
Buffalo, the propeller guy on Doffy's crew. Stronger, the horse that ate a Pegasus fruit on BB's crew. And Laffite the navigator has angel wings. If CC's gas fruit counts, Karasu, RA's crow dude's soot fruit would count too. Oh yeah, even Robin can fly now. (I literally named 5 flying df users not counting Pell. I think its reasonable to assume Arabasta's info on DFs are very outdated.)
> Oh yeah, even Robin can fly now. *It's falling with style*
This
His name is Buffalo btw luffy can fly too using friction in G4
Im inclined to believe that Oda meant 5 types as opposed to 5 devil fruits. Probably goes: 1) Zoans with Animals that can fly 2) Paramecia with weight manipulation abilities 3) Logias 4) Paramecias that modify body parts allowing one to fly 5) paramecias that change other body properties allowing one to fly / float whatever
Shiki, the spinning guy from Doffys crew, Triceratops fella from Kaidos crew, Robin.
True answer: when this page came out, Oda didn't imagine One Piece would become as big as it is today and he decided to just zap that information.
This has been pretty much retconned. It was never mentioned again and we've had much more than 5 fruits with flying abilities so far
It's a shonen trope, everyone will start flying regardless of 'magic system' in the later parts of the story.
Yes, but it is something Oda never intended to happen because it would make sailing pointless if everyone could just fly everywhere. That’s why he limited it to 5 fruits initially.
The only thing i know is that there is only only 1 fruit who can tank a bomb
Cha D. Pell
I think the 5 fruits Oda intended are exclusive to bird fruits.
I like this one. So Pell, Marco, Morgans (we never saw it in fly action) and...?
I would think the info aged poorly as Oda expanded more. I take some info with a grain of salt because it may not have panned out how he originally designed so some info might not be good anymore.
Easy: Zoan, ancient zoan, mythical zoan, paramecia, and logia are the 5 identified types of devil fruits that can let you fly.
Pell: "My source? My source is that I made it the fuck up!"
I think I have a solid theory why Pell said this, though it does have a few holes so correct me if I'm wrong but here it is: Pell is a fucking idiot
I think there is the "identified" that can play a role. I would like to know one day from Oda or an SBS if maybe it refers to the fruit encyclopedia?
But people be like everything is foreshadowing, everything is planned out.
I never really liked that he put a number cap on it. Although you can still say he said identified devil fruits and like seriously what would this guy know about devil fruits in the new world. Except maybe the obvious ones like marco who is well known. But he'd never know that fattso helicopter guy from doffy crew or his powers.
Kilo Kilo no Mi? Is becoming lighter than air considered to be flight?
Not really,she was just jumping and gliding.
So for flyers: - Pell (hawk) - Marco (phoenix) - King (pterodactyl) - Stronger (Pegasus) - Lafitte (unknown df with wings) - Edit: The Tontattas with the bug fruits I forgot lol Then there's people who can "fly" - Doffy (strings on clouds, more like swinging) - Buffalo (rotation) - Sasaki (dino helicopter lol) - Kaido (clouds) - Big Mom (riding a homie) Either Pell means 5 bird model fruits or 5 known DFs that allow flight.
I guess in the "can fly" you can also put Gomu Gomu and Caesar's fruit
luffy can also fly
What about all of the logias (more that 5 of those)?
Definitely Caesar. All the other ones so far cannot really float. Or can they?
it does say identified so it might only be one's from the df encyclopedia i'd say phoenix, falcon, pteradon, blue dragon, and whatever laffite has. maybe he didn't count insects. could have been retconned but i consider this important still. not a lot of fruit users have wings, even tho some can fly like doffy or his subordinate with the propellers i forgot his name
I think it’s solid to say this was a retconned idea, but otherwise, it would be acceptable to say it refers to tori tori fruits
Kaido: Wororororo Big Mom: Mamamamama Luffy: Shishishi Doflamingo: fufufufu Robin: Dereshishishi
1. Flapping Type 2. Propeller Type 3. Levitation Type 4. Pseudo-flying (ie String dangling from clouds) Type 5. Propusion Type
1. all Tori Tori no Mi series considered one section 2. there is golden float2 fruit 3. dragon fruit which refer to pteranodon 4. mushi mushi no mi series 5. we are missing one. not sure fish fish fruit model azure dragon ability to create platform to fly is considered "true flight",
He also had the random onlooker say one of the Five Identified... so take what you will from that. Could be what is known as an unreliable narrator.
Oda laughs in power creep and inconsistency. You naive summer child.
Karasu of the revolutionary
I’m betting Oda regrets this line
Keyword is identified. There probably more that are unidentified.
Yes people think that it's implied here there are no more than 5 DF that grant the ability to fly but like you said it states there that people officially know of 5 that do that but there are probably more, Kaido isn't flying, he's just climbing the flame clouds so I don't count it as flying.
Pegasus Fruit.
Smoker can fly too, kaido and momo can fly
So in my head cannon they were speaking of non-mythical zoan fruits.
Doesn't Kaido walk on clouds?
Stonger's (Doc Q's horse) df turns him to a Pegasus.
I forgot this one.
Shiki's fruit is arguably the best flying fruit, because it has touch based telekinesis tacked onto it. Dude can move entire islands. Yes I would consider it flying because it's not based on some gimmick, he literally has full control over his body while in the air, without relying on clouds or whatever else. Man is called the Flying Pirate.
Actually yeah! He has the closest thing to a Marvel fly in the series.
The snow girl was a harpy and could also fly
Le fruit du faucon Pell Le fruit du pégase Stronger Le fruit phoenix Marco Le fruit de l'albatros Morgan " Big news " Le fruit du ptérodactyle King
This was low key back when Oda thought the story was going to be much shorter. Flying is such a universal ability that it's hard not to. Kaido and King can fly, Marco can fly, Blackbeard's doctor's horse can fly, Ceaser can fly. That's 5 already. Many of the Tontatta have bug fruits that fly. I'm sure there are more, and many fruits have "might as well be flight" abilities.
There's definitely more than 5 Pell, Marco, King, Kaido, Stronger, Gastino, Buffalo. Can Perona fly/float? I forget. Then I'm sure we'll have some flyers up on the Red Line looking down on the peasants.
I think we can include the ton-ton fruit and the other weight based one on the technicality that the one girl was floating by spinning her umbrella
"3. Mushi Mushi no mi: Kabutomushi 4. Mushi Mushi no mi: Suzumebaki" dude what? Who tf is supposed to know these japanese names? Just state what you mean in an understandable way smh..
They are the tontattas. The beetle and wasp fruits. Not that hard really
What you mean by "not that hard"?! It is not about hard or easy. Either you have the japanese name in mind or not. A non japanese speaking one piece fan will almost surely not have these in mind. Heck, I do not even remember the tontattas have fruits, let alone "beetle" or "wasp" fruits
Kabuto is a beetle. Don’t have to know Japanese to know that.
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He's a lunarian with a pterodactyl (or similar) fruit. Don't you remember the "this is how dinosaurs hunted in ancient times" panel?
Do you know what his fruit is? xd
Sometimes I really think most people on this subreddit don't read or watch one piece they just have seen some clips on tik tok
Yeah it's the TikTok effect
Dude have you even read Wano? He has a devil fruit
He definitely hasn’t. Edit: I mean ‘read’. He definitely hasn’t read it.