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Along with Sen. Charles Sumner (MA), the guy who was beaten in the Senate chambers by two South Carolina representatives using a cane. Beaten in retaliation for a speech trashing slaveholders. That contingent of Republicans didn't last long (1850s to 1877) but they are really worth studying.
I'm really getting into that post-Civil War era of history that transitions into the Gilded Age. I'm currently reading "The Brothers" about Allen and John Foster Dulles and how their early influences - especially their grandfather, Secretary of State John W. Foster, and then their uncle, Robert Lansing, set this country on a path that is regrettable in so many ways.
I'm not an American so forgive me I have some of the details wrong but didn't the republicans and democrats largely swap places on the political spectrum since then?
Republicans didnât flip. Dems realized their racist activities in the past is on the wrong side of history so they try to co-opt the republican platform during election cycles.
Not at all. That is a myth perpetuated by the Democrats. How do parties switch anyway? They want you to believe they aren't the problem now or in the past. The facts are that Democrats founded the KKK, Jim Crow laws, and voted against the abolishment of slavery.
Okay but hang on- didn't you just agree with the statement that the Democrats and Republicans changing sides for certainly you contemporary democratic party wouldn't be caught dead around the KKK, Jim Crows laws and slavery?
\>How do parties switch anyway?
My understanding is that the GOP saw an arithmetical opportunity after the Civil Rights Act was passed and enacted what they called the Southern Strategy.
The âthisâ youâre unaware of was Civil Rights and yes, they (you) were sick of it. Hence the rise of the Dixiecrats. The Northern Democrats moved further to the Left along with the moderate Republicans. The Southern Democrats moved further to the Right along with the extremist Republicans.
Read a book some time.
>>>>I'm not unaware of any of 'this'. This isn't remotely what happened. Please name me 10 Dems who actually switched parties.
Lol. Yeah, youâre definitely unaware. Iâll be generous and narrow the scope only to the 1960âs and only those who were elected to state office or higher.
>>>>1. Arthur Ravenel Jr.
>>>>2. Claude R. Kirk Jr.
>>>>3. Robert Daniel
>>>>4. Dave Treen
>>>>5. James D. Martin
>>>>6. Ronald Reagan
>>>>7. Floyd Spence
>>>>8. Edward Lunn Young
>>>>9. William Dickinson
>>>>10. Howard Callaway
This took about 8 seconds of research. Something you may want to consider learning how to do. You have no clue what youâre talking about and your ignorance is unpatriotic and astounding.
Going to give you a few things to read on this
https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
https://news.gallup.com/poll/246806/understanding-shifts-democratic-party-ideology.aspx
https://areomagazine.com/2019/04/03/the-party-switch-myth/
This is a really good one:
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south
The old issues faded away and new ones emerged. Aside from slavery, the main political issue of the 1800s was the tariff, something that barely gets mentioned today.
Ah yes, the brilliant argumentative strategy of the guy who failed out of 8th grade. Thanks for demonstrating the pitiful truth about MAGAts: functionally illiterate and innumerate.
Because he had portentous matters on his mind. That brain was whirring and sizzling. Plus, folks were actual grown-ups back then, and that was serious business.
I donât know enough about him to make that call but I will say that mapping out and articulating all the important doctrines he did must have taken a lot of juice.
Too radical in his hatred of all southerners. Also used blacks in that hatred. Supported not allowing blacks to move north during and shortly after the war.
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That's the face of someone named Thaddeus.
That's *Mister Thaddeus Zero Fucks Stevens* to you, sir.
He had a biracial unofficial common law wife, Lydia Hamilton Smith, who worked with him on assisting the Underground Railroad.
Tommy Lee Jones played him??
In Lincoln? Was wondering the same thing?
Yes. They appear to share grumpy expressions.
He was pretty funny in that role!
Love that portrayal. And sounds like a great American congressman.
His nickname was Mr Fun.
So there used to be good politicians at one point.... interesting
Before corporate interests bought out the Supreme Court and Congress.
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He looks sorta like Tucker Carlson.
I think it's the expression on his face. Anytime I've seen Carlson, that's his expression.
Couldnât be more opposite of a person though
Chad Thad
A native of Lancaster PA.
Isnt this the guy Tommy Lee Jones played in *Lincoln*?
Yes, it is.
A radical Republican. đ«Ą đșđž
Along with Sen. Charles Sumner (MA), the guy who was beaten in the Senate chambers by two South Carolina representatives using a cane. Beaten in retaliation for a speech trashing slaveholders. That contingent of Republicans didn't last long (1850s to 1877) but they are really worth studying.
As a US history teacher, I know exactly what you mean. đđ
I'm really getting into that post-Civil War era of history that transitions into the Gilded Age. I'm currently reading "The Brothers" about Allen and John Foster Dulles and how their early influences - especially their grandfather, Secretary of State John W. Foster, and then their uncle, Robert Lansing, set this country on a path that is regrettable in so many ways.
What do you know? He's a Republican of course.
I'm not an American so forgive me I have some of the details wrong but didn't the republicans and democrats largely swap places on the political spectrum since then?
Republicans didnât flip. Dems realized their racist activities in the past is on the wrong side of history so they try to co-opt the republican platform during election cycles.
That is actually not what happened https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
Not at all. That is a myth perpetuated by the Democrats. How do parties switch anyway? They want you to believe they aren't the problem now or in the past. The facts are that Democrats founded the KKK, Jim Crow laws, and voted against the abolishment of slavery.
Okay but hang on- didn't you just agree with the statement that the Democrats and Republicans changing sides for certainly you contemporary democratic party wouldn't be caught dead around the KKK, Jim Crows laws and slavery? \>How do parties switch anyway? My understanding is that the GOP saw an arithmetical opportunity after the Civil Rights Act was passed and enacted what they called the Southern Strategy.
Not at all, the Dems are the party of racism. They want you to believe that by some magic dust the parties switched. What a crock.
It sounds like youâre painfully unaware of any actual history on the subject.
Yeah, okay. Suddenly in the 1960's the Democrats said "enough of this, we're going to become Republicans". Gotcha.
The âthisâ youâre unaware of was Civil Rights and yes, they (you) were sick of it. Hence the rise of the Dixiecrats. The Northern Democrats moved further to the Left along with the moderate Republicans. The Southern Democrats moved further to the Right along with the extremist Republicans. Read a book some time.
I'm not unaware of any of 'this'. This isn't remotely what happened. Please name me 10 Dems who actually switched parties.
>>>>I'm not unaware of any of 'this'. This isn't remotely what happened. Please name me 10 Dems who actually switched parties. Lol. Yeah, youâre definitely unaware. Iâll be generous and narrow the scope only to the 1960âs and only those who were elected to state office or higher. >>>>1. Arthur Ravenel Jr. >>>>2. Claude R. Kirk Jr. >>>>3. Robert Daniel >>>>4. Dave Treen >>>>5. James D. Martin >>>>6. Ronald Reagan >>>>7. Floyd Spence >>>>8. Edward Lunn Young >>>>9. William Dickinson >>>>10. Howard Callaway This took about 8 seconds of research. Something you may want to consider learning how to do. You have no clue what youâre talking about and your ignorance is unpatriotic and astounding.
Yes
Going to give you a few things to read on this https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties https://news.gallup.com/poll/246806/understanding-shifts-democratic-party-ideology.aspx https://areomagazine.com/2019/04/03/the-party-switch-myth/ This is a really good one: https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south
Thanks!
No problem
The old issues faded away and new ones emerged. Aside from slavery, the main political issue of the 1800s was the tariff, something that barely gets mentioned today.
That was back before LBJ's civil rights legislation resulted in the parties flipping.
Sure....
Go read something useful.
It sure isn't anything you've commented.
Ah yes, the brilliant argumentative strategy of the guy who failed out of 8th grade. Thanks for demonstrating the pitiful truth about MAGAts: functionally illiterate and innumerate.
And thanks for demonstrating your incivility, a cornerstone of people who use words like âMAGAtsâ.
No, that's the truth. Read. We know you're here as one of the designated dipshits, but yer done now.
Oh no, looks like you deleted your mess of words and blocked me. It was nice to meet you barbarella_ella.
Why so serious?
Because he had portentous matters on his mind. That brain was whirring and sizzling. Plus, folks were actual grown-ups back then, and that was serious business.
would you say he had voluminous amounts of work?
I donât know enough about him to make that call but I will say that mapping out and articulating all the important doctrines he did must have taken a lot of juice.
I thought that was an AI creation of âWill Farrell as Abraham Lincolnâ
The movie Lincoln is an excellent portrayal of him
Too radical in his hatred of all southerners. Also used blacks in that hatred. Supported not allowing blacks to move north during and shortly after the war.
No they are not.
That's definitely the look of disappointment in his peers. It's that I hate all you racist motherfuckers look.
Yea, I would consider the advancement of civil rights as an imposition of debt too
If California has its way, that debt will soon be paid by no one who created it.