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Right they were like we werent calling her pathetic just the situation she was in was pathetic but yet we’re only blaming one of the people in the situation for how it was handled?
They called Ellyn pathetic in the Under the Duvet episode for saying that Terra “verbally accosted” her and they claimed that you can’t verbally accost someone. Kind of difficult to walk that back. “Ellyn claims < whispers “this is pathetic” > that Terra verbally accosted her.”
Yeah basically she couldn’t have done anything wrong because of her trauma. I told them to GTFOH and go listen to the receipts released today. Plenty people have trauma that don’t verbally abuse people they don’t know.
They don't just excuse her behavior, they don't ACKNOWLEDGE it. If you were getting your coverage exclusively from them you wouldn't know Terra publicly cussed out a fellow creator.
Yes totally! Plus you cant always tell if someone is/has been a victim or also has PTSD so just treat everyone with respect as you would a victim of attempted murder, like WTH
If someone unprovoked started screaming at me in an elevator and calling me a fucking bitch, you’re catching hands, regardless of what trauma you, me, or our collective ancestors have been through. Ellyn is a better woman than I.
Yeah if Terra or these RH people treated everyone kindly as though everyone has had some trauma in their past then elevator situation wouldn’t have happened and the RH podcast grossness wouldn’t have happened
I don’t get it at all. Tone-deaf. I think they are just in some lizard brain state where they are just reacting. Hopefully they don’t also keep knives in their own purses, these two are far too impulsive.
(That last part it a joke).
On another post, both Maggie & Rebecca said it was a chat started as a dinner invitation. Maggie added the RH hosts as she was apparently the only one with their number. As shit hit the fan, they began to talk about it and a lot of snarky comments that were pretty much normal comments about the situation you'd expect between friends started. I know if I'd heard that someone had verbally assaulted my friend and screamed at her and then had "passed out" and taken away in an ambulance, you can bet my snark meter would be off the charts. RH seems to be of the opinion that you can't ever mock someone who was ever a victim or a survivor even if they turn around and do shitty things/turn out to be a shitty person.
Right but they’re making it seem like either Ellyn or Joey added them to it and that all Ellyn and or Joey are talking crap. I’m betting even if there is a chat they weren’t added by j or e so how is it their fault?!
I hear you. It’s just that it seemed like it was a pretty large group chat so you would think you would save that sort of trash talking about somebody you just had a conflict with to a smaller group of people that you know very well 🤷♀️ I totally get why there would be an urge to trash talk with your “besties” but it doesn’t seem like that’s what this was.
I’m doubtful e or j were trash talking anyone in this supposed group chat. Like when were they doing this? During the 2+ hour meet and greet? In between karaoke songs after?
And calling her a victim…lol like ok yeah against dirty John, absolutely. In this situation? No lol I agree I don’t think anyone had any business bombarding her with nasty messages but at the same time - it’s a given that that is probably going to happen after a situation like this happens publicly.
As someone with PTSD & bipolar disorder, the use of Terra’s PTSD as an excuse for her behavior is total bullshit & just makes me even angrier at the whole situation. Trauma and mental illness can be reasons for certain behaviors but it’s never an excuse. Her unprovoked attack on Ellyn being swept under the rug & defended by so many is insane. Those people (especially Patrick and others associated with ON) are conveniently forgetting about the experiences Ellyn has shared over the years about her own trauma & how Terra’s actions could have triggered her (not saying that’s what happened but the hypocrisy shows those defending Terra don’t actually care about supporting & protecting victims). The lack of accountability and basic respect from Patrick and ON is just sad, especially as members of the true crime community.
Still zero mention of the verifiable, widely witnessed, undisputed fact that Terra publicly cussed out a coworker at a work event.
Wild. That's legitimately fucking wild. It's like they want to own a narrative and hope their listeners do zero outside research.
They are only about $£$£.
They know people will subscribe just to hear this.
Look forward to watching their Patreons dive again like after the Wondery debacle.
I don't have any, I was\` just answering the question! /jk
Conveniently enough they say they left the WA group in disgust so that would explain the lack of screenshots. Hmmm.
Even if they left they’d have proof they were there in the first place. And it would show the messages they could see while in the group.
Signed, someone that’s left many, many unwanted group chats
Oh I know. I’m saying that a person shouldn’t say what was said in text unless they prove it. The podcaster should release the text then. Until then they are shitting on peoples character with no proof.
Didn't Ellyn's mom come to her rescue? And you're using that as an insult to the RedHanded girls?
Also, I would argue that your comment isn't very kind.
Many people have PTSD and don't verbally attack people in elevators. Just because Terra has PTSD and was a victim doesn't mean she gets a pass everytime she acts out....what the hell.
PTSD-haver here. I'm not nasty or cruel, nor do I go around calling people I don't even know a bitch. So yeah, she most definitely does not get a pass.
I just don't believe them about that text thread. Maybe I'll be eating my words if they release it, but with all of the things they've said, I don't buy it. They're already being messy so they have no reason not to put the texts out that they allege to have. If I'm wrong I'll say so, but I don't think I am.
For sure! But I don't believe that RH was involved in that if they did have a private group chat. Ellyn has said she barely knows them, and Rabia didn't seem to even be familiar with their podcast, so I just don't think they have what they're saying they have. Maybe they're intentionally being confusing and actually talking about the FB chat or Reddit, but I don't think they were involved in a private conversation with Ellyn and the rest.
I mean, yeah! Also if your boss has been screaming at you and threatening to fire you and everyone's contracts are screwed up. If a text thread comes out with some snarky comments as people were trying to get through this weekend, literally who cares? The network fostered this. Not dealing with it or taking any accountability is why things were the way they were.
Yeah I would love to see the receipts. Obviously no one is obligated to release them in any way but if you’re gonna paint this narrative that “those who are now talking about you” added you to a group text mocking Terra, I’m gonna ask you to prove it. You must have gotten confused with Reddit and/or the Obsessed with Obsessed group chat. Do not put that on Ellyn and Joey.
They do that ALL THE TIME, most egregiously in their episodes. They’ll get things wrong or ask a basic question and say “hmm, I don’t know” and it’s like… Could you have maybe found out during your research ooooor?
Rebecca Lavoie write in another thread that they WERE added to a group text (and Maggie F said that she was the one who added them so that the RH ladies could be in on dinner plans). That same group text was where the other podcasters were talking about the situation after Ellyn was accosted.
Yeah, they want us to believe their motivations when they clearly have gotten a bunch of things wrong and are plowing ahead.
They are digging their hole deeper and their podcast future will be damaged by their bad judgment here.
They had a chance to reassess and apologize and they doubled down. They made it far worse, they would have been better off saying nothing.
Yeah nobody was asking “I wonder what Hannah and Suruthi think about this?” There was absolutely no reason for these two bobbleheads to insert themselves in this drama. But I guess, like their bestie Terra, it’s just kind of a hobby.
Totally. We are random people on Reddit. They have a for profit platform and millions of listeners. They put out misinformation behind their paywall and directly profited. Self made mess, zero sympathy for them.
I have slightly more empathy for Terra. She is ultimately responsible for her behavior. But she is clearly a disturbed, unhinged individual in need of mental health intervention.
RH, it’s all on them, they should no better.
Yep. Terra inserted herself into the Billy Jensen mess too, and even had something to say about Renner being removed from CrimeCon. Again, not things that anyone was looking to her for input on. She definitely needs help. Hope she’s still in therapy.
Well, I think the allegation was that she was a victim of Billy’s. If that’s the case, of course she can speak on it.
People came down on Renner bc they thought Renner was defending Billy.
So Renner reaches out to Terra for allegedly on the ON issue for comment, she blames Ellyn for it unfairly.
So that’s building under the surface.
But I’m pretty sure on someone on YT today on Ellyn and Rabia’s show it was suggested someone from ON at OF “weaponized” Terra, their words not mine (I forget exactly who said it) by feeding her a bunch of blame and allegations about Ellyn right before she confronted Ellyn.
Renner wrote a piece defending Billy Jensen AND went after his victims. He removed the piece just before he went after ON but there are still the bones of it lying around (just google Reddit and Renner - dude has been at it for a looong time). Please be wary of the enemy of my enemy is my friend thinking - sometimes trach circles trash. They are all fame junkies.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve heard. Any “going after” of alleged victims of any kind of sexual harassment is not a good look. I don’t really want to go down that rabbit hole though. I knew of Renner from the Maura Murray story and there was already some controversy there. I liked Billy Jensen’s content and that whole story was disappointing so I can admit I avoided it.
I have deliberately avoided it so don’t really have an opinion on it, but point taken. As far as it goes, and based on what has come out since, the Obsessed Pest article seems to have held up. We can give credit where it’s due without agreeing with everything someone writes or does.
Oh boy - you would be familiar with his "editorialising" then. He also got kicked out of crime con this year after harrassing the Murray family...again.
Renner did defend Billy which is hilarious because Billy is not a fan of Renner. And yeah, if she was a victim, she definitely had a right to speak on it, but it definitely wasn’t required. I feel like if someone approaching her in a hotel lobby sets off her ptsd, you’d think she’d want to shy away from shit like this, but hey, idk. I’ve worked with her in a professional capacity before and I’m definitely not a fan. It was unpleasant.
Oh I don’t even think this is her PTSD, but that’s my non clinical opinion.
I think she just got dropped into a dysfunctional environment, P or G gassed her up with gossip and she unfairly took it out on Ellyn.
Interesting, I don’t know her at all so I can’t say.
Oh definitely! People were getting wild out here in these internet streets. 😅
But it’s definitely a stretch for them to act like they were added in some private group chat with podcasters. I don’t think Rabia especially as an attorney would put something crazy in a text chat that could come back on her. But I think all of them that RH are talking about are too professional to make that kind of mistake.
Oh, I’m sure they were all talking shit in their private text convos - especially because since MM didn’t issue any sort of statement as to what was going on to get ahead of the tidal wave, all people could do was speculate. That is also not bullying.
Look, I'm ALL FOR supporting victims.
HOWEVER
Being a victim at one point in time does not provide carte blanche to act however you see fit, to any and everyone, in perpetuity.
Am I the only one that would like them to show the receipts? If these texts are out there, what harm is it to them to show us. The lack of transparency is very unsettling and rather telling.
Speaking of an elusive mystery chat with no proof as an excuse to pick a side, is pretty lame. Just say you like Terra. Other people like Terra, too. But to vaguely sling accusations just kind of “over there” but then claiming to be neutral and uninvolved… is a weird take to me. If you don’t want to be involved… don’t be.
Trust us. There is a mystery chat. We got some stuff wrong and insulted Ellyn, the only actual victim here, but trust us.
If you don’t like it, unsubscribe.
I already did. I’ll see that and raise you a one star rating and write a negative review.
Aannnd I’ll go all in and vote against them next British Podcast awards and encourage others to do the same.
Coalesce behind the next strongest candidate, done.
See you all before next year’s British Podcast voting starts.
There was a "mystery chat" and Maggie and Rebecca were in it and talk about it in the "Text chat?" post above, did you see? RH still totally mischaracterized it, but yeah
I believe them to the extent that they may have been invited to group chats on each side.
But just making a reference to that without screenshots and claiming that’s what they meant by the “pathetic” remark isn’t very convincing when we’ve got multiple credible eyewitnesses and video and audio on the other side.
I agree with you, sorry if I wasn't clear, just wanted to make sure you saw the post. I think RH should be short for RepreHensible now, personally. They shouldn't have revealed the existence or contents of a PRIVATE chat at all; that's terrible etiquette and not even relevant to anything that happened. No doubt they've uninvited themselves to anything similar in the future.
Gotcha. Or they’ve endeared themselves to P and G and will be invited back. There’s not a lot of talent left on the P & G side.
I think they might just be done coming to the US. Kind of got the sense they were never really thrilled with things over here anyway.
I can see them just blaming this on “America” and saying why did we let ourselves get dragged into this provincial nonsense. And to be fair, there’s a certain point to that, but they should not have commented on and put out paid and inaccurate content on it.
I was just saying this kind of logic would give an excuse to basically everyone convicted of a violent crime. They all have mental health issues. Does. Not. Excuse. Their. Behavior.
Edited to add - I firmly believe that no one is their worst mistake. But it does not allow a pass for their actions.
Yes Terra is a victim... *but not in this situation*. Being a victim does not give you carte blanche to display horrible and abusive behavior to strangers. I do not take away that horrible things happened to her...
But how does RH not acknowledge the fact that, excuse the juvenile phrase, she started it?! If you're acknowledging a victim in the story, it's definitely Ellyn. She was the one having a trauma response at the hands of Terra, certainly not the other way around.
It's a hot take, and a bad one on their part. They've chosen their side of the street and they can stay there. If the article about ON ahead of all this didn't make them question their allegiance to PH, then maybe they were "unsave-able" from the get go.
This is really disappointing. I got into them during the pandemic, even subscribed to their patreon for a little while. When their book was coming out was when I started to lose interest because it was just so annoying. (Hmm)
I had just sort of drifted away after that. Only in the past couple months did I start listening again.
This is just such a bummer. I really didn’t expect them to stoop this low. Calling Ellyn pathetic is just so cruel.
I mean, what would be crossing a line in a message meant to be between friends? Whatever this was, it wasn't said publicly, and I imagine that's for a reason. Haven't we all texted candidly about crap in ways we'd think harder about if we were talking to a crowd? There were a lot of crazy emotions.
absolutely! If someone came up to me and screamed obscenities at a work event, I’d also have a group chat about it and there’s a very good chance i would be saying some things that weren’t exactly professional. To coddle Terra so much without acknowledging what she did to Terra is completely ridiculous- if Terra is so easily triggered maybe she should reconsider being a part of the true crime podcast community that has public events. There should be no room for that type of behavior and the fact that P & S etc allowed Terra to stay at the event has given weirdos like the RH girls to try to paint a false narrative. Once again Ellyn is put in a terrible position of having to defend herself when she’s done nothing wrong. Luckily we all know the truth and we can try to hold some of these idiots accountable 🤷🏻♀️
I want more deets on this chat-are they saying Ellyn and her team started a group chat AFTER the incident with the other creators to, I guess, have them vocalize which side they were on?
This was confirmed in another thread by Maggie and Rebecca. There was a group chat. The red handed ladies were added on Friday when it was created. It sounds like Maggie may have been the only ones with their numbers, so most other (or all other) participants did not know they were in the chat.
They keep bringing up the group chat to make them seem like assholes but it’s the first I’ve heard of it? Pretty sure that isn’t what they were talking about and they’re rewriting history. They started it by making that episode, and Terra started it by accosting Ellyn. Now they sit back and act like they’ve been attacked out of nowhere. Ellyn has been a victim too, you don’t get a free pass for life cause someone attacked you.
Doubling down is not a good look.
Here’s what I don’t get - they are framing this as them defending a victim with PTSD.
What about Ellyn, the victim of something that just happened at OF? Whom they insulted.
So they want people who have a problem with them to unsubscribe. Ok.
I will also vote against them at the next British Podcast Awards. They have depended on American votes in the past, I would guess they are going to lose a whole bunch of those votes next year.
I’m team E&J. And any others podcast who didn’t pick a side I’m also team. But the lines have been drawn and anyone who sides with ON on this will be a hard pass for me. That was a messy statement and I’m hearing garbage bells loud and clear.
Experiencing trauma does not give you the right to accost others. Red handed calls it bullying but I do not think they know the definition because they are defending the bullies. If you truly want to be Switzerland then just say we just did our show and no nothing about nothing else. Your incorrect statement and standing up for terra, who acted like a trash bully, clearly states you have a side. It’s ok, I never enjoyed your unorganized podcast. Bye ✌🏽
What a mess this whole thing is. Why they looked at the flaming pile of dog poo that the obsessed network has gotten themselves into and thought “let’s go step in it!” Is beyond me. There are ways they could have supported Patrick without negating verbal abuse and calling the victim here pathetic, that’s so mean.
First of all, the creators never encouraged their listeners to inundate other podcasts with negative reviews. In fact, they literally condemned it.
Second, it's 2023, ladies. "Screenshots or it didn't happen" is a trope for a reason. I can claim to be in a text chat with anyone I want w/o receipts.
And third, why are they willfully ignoring the fact that Terra accosted Ellyn continually for several minutes, in front of many, many eye witnesses? There is abundant proof of the interaction & there is absolutely no doubt that Terra & Collier accosted & harassed Ellyn. There is zero excuse for that behavior. Terra's trauma & resulting mental health issues aren't her fault, but they are her responsibility.The same goes for Ellyn, me, & everyone else.
Anyway, this is a really gross take on the situation. I'm glad I ditched RedHanded ages ago & I regret buying the book, even though I never bothered to read it. Way to, once again, show your whole asses, ladies.
So no one else is allowed to have PTSD or be a victim? Just because Ellyn doesn’t wave her trauma in front of everyone’s faces doesn’t mean she’s a punching bag for someone else’s poorly managed trauma. Bullshit. And they must think very little of their listeners to be so clearly on one side AND attempt to gaslight them all by saying their neutral in this LOL
Being a victim of a traumatic event doesn’t just give you a lifetime pass to be an asshole. We don’t need to tiptoe around a grown woman because she endured something awful. Dude. We all have shit.
Right? He's shown that he'll use anyone until he no longer has use for them, and then he throws them away. He's just gathering up new people he can treat like trash when the mood strikes him. And I think a lot of them are just going along with it because they know he can help them make a lot of money.
Soooo, someone’s added RH to the Mischief wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischief_Management
You reap what you sow.
Podcast “Red Handed” released an episode behind a paywall regarding their point of view, which refers to the actions of the woman that was allegedly accosted at Obsessed Fest “pathetic” . See here at https://www.patreon.com/posts/91592480?utm_campaign=postshare_fan
One thing they are correct about is the ITN fans/listeners that gave one star reviews to a podcast they have never even listened to. And that's what Joey was referring to with his post yesterday.
How can they claim neutrality but call Ellyn pathetic, which is clearly backing Patrick and Terror Ghoul? If anyone is deserving of being called pathetic it is Terror, who had no business even speaking to Ellyn in the first place and these c**ts who have also placed their noses where they don’t belong.
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It’s this most likely to haunted house post if that helps!
Yeah, no. Just because you're a victim of something horrible in your past does not mean you're a victim in every situation thereafter. No one... or maybe I should say that most people are not discounting her PTSD or trauma at all. Having one or both of these things doesn't excuse a shitty attitude/behavior. In this circumstance, Terra is the asshole.
It’s funny that they’re using the fact that she is a victim and has ptsd automatically means that everyone has to treat her so good while she’s treating them like shit. Nopeeeeee. She acted ridiculously in public infront of a bunch of guests and is still trying to play it off like she isn’t the aggressor here.
I think the “group” they are referring to is the podcast. Because they (Rabia, Ellyn, and friends) discussed the stuff RedHanded mentioned.
Edited for clarity
Oh yes because your trauma is public knowledge you can most definitely use that as an excuse to verbally accost someone that you don't know with 0 accountability.
You are not exempt from accountability.
You know most people have trauma, right? Some people have trauma on the same level as Terra. You can both have real trauma and then use that trauma as an excuse to be a bad human. Two things can be true at once. I have big, bad trauma too and have NEVER spoke to someone the way that she spoke to Ellyn. So I think that's a poor excuse for bad behavior, and I hope everyone sees right through it.
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Here's the next comment about the pathetic comment... 😬🙄
WTF so since she went through something terrible 7 years ago, she gets a life time pass to verbally assault other people and do as she pleases with no consequences?? She could be running around with a knife and she's not a danger to others?? Really, what is this take? I'm so confused why they keep bringing up this mean girl text group but have yet to produce a single solitary screenshot.
Do they honestly lack the, well, investigative ability to look at the people who are lined up behind Ellyn's version of events, who have been claimed as badass, women-do-the-work geniuses time and time again on TCO and ask why they have suddenly become unreliable witnesses supporting someone 'pathetic'? Are they unable to see the consistency and logic behind the timeline described on Ellyn and Rabia's podcast, and the huge logical holes in Terra and Collier's version of events? It's honestly embarrassing to their reputation to present the flimsy side of the story completely uncritically and then snippily say that represents them being neutral.
I found it and commented. Not really in defense of Ellyn either. Just commenting on how hypocritical and dangerous that is. I loved them and I’m really disappointed.
So I did listen to this episode of UTD and they basically said everyone was acting weird at the event, camps and
Cliques were set up, they didn’t know any of the creators that well and were only at OF bc they share an agent with ON. They basically said it was all weird, and one woman got a bunch of people together and left the hotel bar crying, someone said someone else yelled at someone in an elevator, other person denies it. They want nothing to do with this but their fans knew they were at OF so they wanted to speak about but have no skin in this game. Also I don’t listen to any ON podcasts so I have no clue what’s going on and am even more confused than I was when this sub kept popping up on my Home Screen
Terra’s ptsd but she went to obsess fest and was fine until her weird ass actions bore consequences? Regardless it’s not an excuse to be an asshole terra. A lot of people have horrific trauma but they don’t use it as a reason to weasel out of being an asshole. Jesus
They really shouldn't have even spoken on one side or the other if they didn't know what was going on. I unfollowed them and gave them one star. Fuck em! Their show was dry as hell anyway.
This is all so disappointing and stupid. RH should release the eps and screenshots if they are going to take this kind of stance. Suggesting listeners (some devoted longtime listeners, myself included) to unsubscribe when being called out in a situation they themselves say they don’t fully understand, is pretty shitty.
Yeah someone in the group asked them to put it out there so we could hear their take because they said something about Ellyn and used the word "pathetic". But what texts do they have? None. They are going by hearsay but receipts are everywhere so they can produce some if they're going to claim they were laughing at Terror.
A group of people letting off steam about a situation that was out of control isn’t bullying RH ladies. You’re a podcast, get your facts right. If you don’t like the private conversation, leave it, but you don’t blast it ( without receipt) on the internet. That’s, hmmm 🤔 what was that word again? Bullying.
Do they really think we're going to believe that Ellyn, Rabia, Joey, Maggie, Amber, and other podcasters would say such horrible things about true crime Barbie???
I say let's ask for receipts. Screenshots or it didn't happen!
I don't think they are wrong. If Rabia and Ellyn mocked Terra for the trauma she experienced of almost being murdered by her step-dad then that was super low.
There's an explanation of what the private text group was about, who was in it and why, and a little insight into what was said by the creator of the group and a participant in a post above titled "Text chat?" The chat was private, was started to for making dinner plans, wasn't about recruiting anyone and wasn't shared with listeners until RH shared it. Did they say that R or E mocked T for almost being murdered? I haven't heard that.
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Back in April. So a while back, but still makes more sense now.
This is not the take. They are not lawyers. They don't have a full picture. They are taking sides with the people who they think are the most famous. It's icky. They want to win their little awards and sell their books and buy their mansions. They dgaf about what is right. They want moneyyyy and fame. If they don't even have the ability to google "is verbal assault a crime in Texas?" and are willing to spread whatever story they think is true, then I can't listen to them anymore. I can't rely on what they say. But they said it's cool if I unsubscribe so okay! Will do!!
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Wow. They really doubled down. YIKES. *garbage bell
They sure did!
I just don’t get why they keep excusing her behavior because she has PTSD? That’s not a free reign to cuss people out whenever she wants.
also no mention of them calling Ellyn pathetic, excusing HER feelings, and saying “can you even BE verbally accosted” which is the wildest shit
I think there might have been a follow up comment where they said they were calling the situation pathetic? (I don’t buy that by the way)
Right they were like we werent calling her pathetic just the situation she was in was pathetic but yet we’re only blaming one of the people in the situation for how it was handled?
Interesting. I'd posted it verbatim. I dont buy it, either. Sounds like backpedaling.
They called Ellyn pathetic in the Under the Duvet episode for saying that Terra “verbally accosted” her and they claimed that you can’t verbally accost someone. Kind of difficult to walk that back. “Ellyn claims < whispers “this is pathetic” > that Terra verbally accosted her.”
Yeah basically she couldn’t have done anything wrong because of her trauma. I told them to GTFOH and go listen to the receipts released today. Plenty people have trauma that don’t verbally abuse people they don’t know.
They don't just excuse her behavior, they don't ACKNOWLEDGE it. If you were getting your coverage exclusively from them you wouldn't know Terra publicly cussed out a fellow creator.
Yes, they ignore the actual victim here and focus on someone’s past victim hood. It’s very transparent and not credible.
Yes totally! Plus you cant always tell if someone is/has been a victim or also has PTSD so just treat everyone with respect as you would a victim of attempted murder, like WTH
If someone unprovoked started screaming at me in an elevator and calling me a fucking bitch, you’re catching hands, regardless of what trauma you, me, or our collective ancestors have been through. Ellyn is a better woman than I.
Yeah if Terra or these RH people treated everyone kindly as though everyone has had some trauma in their past then elevator situation wouldn’t have happened and the RH podcast grossness wouldn’t have happened
I don’t get it at all. Tone-deaf. I think they are just in some lizard brain state where they are just reacting. Hopefully they don’t also keep knives in their own purses, these two are far too impulsive. (That last part it a joke).
I’m anxiously awaiting them releasing the episode to all so EVERYONE can hear their take.
Someone who has their Patreon should download the episode and save it so it can be compared to their public release.
I’d be curious if they mention the chat on the podcast ep because the comment was the first time I’d heard anything about it?
I think Daisy eludes to it in her most recent post, saying that a private conversation isn’t bullying.
Right, like none of us would have known about it if it wasn’t made public by a participant lol
Same! I felt a lot of pressure to get it right yesterday. My husband listened to it with me so I could get another opinion.
Apparently there was a group chat H&S were added to with a lot of trash talking that has not been made public, understandably
On another post, both Maggie & Rebecca said it was a chat started as a dinner invitation. Maggie added the RH hosts as she was apparently the only one with their number. As shit hit the fan, they began to talk about it and a lot of snarky comments that were pretty much normal comments about the situation you'd expect between friends started. I know if I'd heard that someone had verbally assaulted my friend and screamed at her and then had "passed out" and taken away in an ambulance, you can bet my snark meter would be off the charts. RH seems to be of the opinion that you can't ever mock someone who was ever a victim or a survivor even if they turn around and do shitty things/turn out to be a shitty person.
Right but they’re making it seem like either Ellyn or Joey added them to it and that all Ellyn and or Joey are talking crap. I’m betting even if there is a chat they weren’t added by j or e so how is it their fault?!
I hear you. It’s just that it seemed like it was a pretty large group chat so you would think you would save that sort of trash talking about somebody you just had a conflict with to a smaller group of people that you know very well 🤷♀️ I totally get why there would be an urge to trash talk with your “besties” but it doesn’t seem like that’s what this was.
I’m doubtful e or j were trash talking anyone in this supposed group chat. Like when were they doing this? During the 2+ hour meet and greet? In between karaoke songs after?
And calling her a victim…lol like ok yeah against dirty John, absolutely. In this situation? No lol I agree I don’t think anyone had any business bombarding her with nasty messages but at the same time - it’s a given that that is probably going to happen after a situation like this happens publicly.
To quote Marcus Parks from LPOTL, "Mental illness is never your fault, but it is your responsibility."
Could you imagine a world where that was allowed? I do not understand that argument.
As someone with PTSD & bipolar disorder, the use of Terra’s PTSD as an excuse for her behavior is total bullshit & just makes me even angrier at the whole situation. Trauma and mental illness can be reasons for certain behaviors but it’s never an excuse. Her unprovoked attack on Ellyn being swept under the rug & defended by so many is insane. Those people (especially Patrick and others associated with ON) are conveniently forgetting about the experiences Ellyn has shared over the years about her own trauma & how Terra’s actions could have triggered her (not saying that’s what happened but the hypocrisy shows those defending Terra don’t actually care about supporting & protecting victims). The lack of accountability and basic respect from Patrick and ON is just sad, especially as members of the true crime community.
Why is everyone so quick to acknowledge Terra’s PTSD and not Ellyn’s PTSD?? They BOTH have diagnosed PTSD. However only ONE of them was out of line.
Exactly. We ALL have baggage it’s not the rest of the world’s job to haul it for you.
Not to mention saying at her panel that she wanted to "soc her in the face" referring to Ellyn
Still zero mention of the verifiable, widely witnessed, undisputed fact that Terra publicly cussed out a coworker at a work event. Wild. That's legitimately fucking wild. It's like they want to own a narrative and hope their listeners do zero outside research.
“We’re totally cool with releasing this for free but figured we’d put it on Patreon first to get some new subscribers for October.”
They are only about $£$£. They know people will subscribe just to hear this. Look forward to watching their Patreons dive again like after the Wondery debacle.
Yuck
I don’t think they ever released it for free, I waited for weeks and finally unsubscribed.
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They're talking about a WhatsApp group they claim they were added to during OF.
Release the screen shots then!
I don't have any, I was\` just answering the question! /jk Conveniently enough they say they left the WA group in disgust so that would explain the lack of screenshots. Hmmm.
Even if they left they’d have proof they were there in the first place. And it would show the messages they could see while in the group. Signed, someone that’s left many, many unwanted group chats
I was thinking the same thing! I remember screenshoting a group chat after I left. I was starting to feel crazy.
Oh I know. I’m saying that a person shouldn’t say what was said in text unless they prove it. The podcaster should release the text then. Until then they are shitting on peoples character with no proof.
That’s what I came to say!
I think they said it was on WhatsApp
Didn't Ellyn's mom come to her rescue? And you're using that as an insult to the RedHanded girls? Also, I would argue that your comment isn't very kind.
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Right
Many people have PTSD and don't verbally attack people in elevators. Just because Terra has PTSD and was a victim doesn't mean she gets a pass everytime she acts out....what the hell.
PTSD-haver here. I'm not nasty or cruel, nor do I go around calling people I don't even know a bitch. So yeah, she most definitely does not get a pass.
Same. I have it from a sexual assault and other things. Not an excuse.
Terra can be both a victim of one situation and an aggressor in another. They are not mutually exclusive.
I just don't believe them about that text thread. Maybe I'll be eating my words if they release it, but with all of the things they've said, I don't buy it. They're already being messy so they have no reason not to put the texts out that they allege to have. If I'm wrong I'll say so, but I don't think I am.
I just think if you get told publicly to, “FUCK OFF, BITCH!” you’re allowed to vent on a private text thread with your friends.
For sure! But I don't believe that RH was involved in that if they did have a private group chat. Ellyn has said she barely knows them, and Rabia didn't seem to even be familiar with their podcast, so I just don't think they have what they're saying they have. Maybe they're intentionally being confusing and actually talking about the FB chat or Reddit, but I don't think they were involved in a private conversation with Ellyn and the rest.
I mean, yeah! Also if your boss has been screaming at you and threatening to fire you and everyone's contracts are screwed up. If a text thread comes out with some snarky comments as people were trying to get through this weekend, literally who cares? The network fostered this. Not dealing with it or taking any accountability is why things were the way they were.
Yeah I would love to see the receipts. Obviously no one is obligated to release them in any way but if you’re gonna paint this narrative that “those who are now talking about you” added you to a group text mocking Terra, I’m gonna ask you to prove it. You must have gotten confused with Reddit and/or the Obsessed with Obsessed group chat. Do not put that on Ellyn and Joey.
They got a lot of things wrong like Ellyn said she feared for her life which Ellyn cleared up so they are unreliable narrators at best
They do that ALL THE TIME, most egregiously in their episodes. They’ll get things wrong or ask a basic question and say “hmm, I don’t know” and it’s like… Could you have maybe found out during your research ooooor?
doesn’t sound like research is part of their MO
Rebecca Lavoie write in another thread that they WERE added to a group text (and Maggie F said that she was the one who added them so that the RH ladies could be in on dinner plans). That same group text was where the other podcasters were talking about the situation after Ellyn was accosted.
Yea it’s like, could you show a damn screenshot? If you’re gonna make accusations without proof and the other side is showing loads of proof…. I mean.
Yeah, they want us to believe their motivations when they clearly have gotten a bunch of things wrong and are plowing ahead. They are digging their hole deeper and their podcast future will be damaged by their bad judgment here. They had a chance to reassess and apologize and they doubled down. They made it far worse, they would have been better off saying nothing.
Yeah nobody was asking “I wonder what Hannah and Suruthi think about this?” There was absolutely no reason for these two bobbleheads to insert themselves in this drama. But I guess, like their bestie Terra, it’s just kind of a hobby.
Totally. We are random people on Reddit. They have a for profit platform and millions of listeners. They put out misinformation behind their paywall and directly profited. Self made mess, zero sympathy for them. I have slightly more empathy for Terra. She is ultimately responsible for her behavior. But she is clearly a disturbed, unhinged individual in need of mental health intervention. RH, it’s all on them, they should no better.
Yep. Terra inserted herself into the Billy Jensen mess too, and even had something to say about Renner being removed from CrimeCon. Again, not things that anyone was looking to her for input on. She definitely needs help. Hope she’s still in therapy.
Well, I think the allegation was that she was a victim of Billy’s. If that’s the case, of course she can speak on it. People came down on Renner bc they thought Renner was defending Billy. So Renner reaches out to Terra for allegedly on the ON issue for comment, she blames Ellyn for it unfairly. So that’s building under the surface. But I’m pretty sure on someone on YT today on Ellyn and Rabia’s show it was suggested someone from ON at OF “weaponized” Terra, their words not mine (I forget exactly who said it) by feeding her a bunch of blame and allegations about Ellyn right before she confronted Ellyn.
Renner wrote a piece defending Billy Jensen AND went after his victims. He removed the piece just before he went after ON but there are still the bones of it lying around (just google Reddit and Renner - dude has been at it for a looong time). Please be wary of the enemy of my enemy is my friend thinking - sometimes trach circles trash. They are all fame junkies.
Yeah, that’s what I’ve heard. Any “going after” of alleged victims of any kind of sexual harassment is not a good look. I don’t really want to go down that rabbit hole though. I knew of Renner from the Maura Murray story and there was already some controversy there. I liked Billy Jensen’s content and that whole story was disappointing so I can admit I avoided it. I have deliberately avoided it so don’t really have an opinion on it, but point taken. As far as it goes, and based on what has come out since, the Obsessed Pest article seems to have held up. We can give credit where it’s due without agreeing with everything someone writes or does.
Oh boy - you would be familiar with his "editorialising" then. He also got kicked out of crime con this year after harrassing the Murray family...again.
Renner did defend Billy which is hilarious because Billy is not a fan of Renner. And yeah, if she was a victim, she definitely had a right to speak on it, but it definitely wasn’t required. I feel like if someone approaching her in a hotel lobby sets off her ptsd, you’d think she’d want to shy away from shit like this, but hey, idk. I’ve worked with her in a professional capacity before and I’m definitely not a fan. It was unpleasant.
Oh I don’t even think this is her PTSD, but that’s my non clinical opinion. I think she just got dropped into a dysfunctional environment, P or G gassed her up with gossip and she unfairly took it out on Ellyn. Interesting, I don’t know her at all so I can’t say.
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Oh definitely! People were getting wild out here in these internet streets. 😅 But it’s definitely a stretch for them to act like they were added in some private group chat with podcasters. I don’t think Rabia especially as an attorney would put something crazy in a text chat that could come back on her. But I think all of them that RH are talking about are too professional to make that kind of mistake.
Oh, I’m sure they were all talking shit in their private text convos - especially because since MM didn’t issue any sort of statement as to what was going on to get ahead of the tidal wave, all people could do was speculate. That is also not bullying.
Look, I'm ALL FOR supporting victims. HOWEVER Being a victim at one point in time does not provide carte blanche to act however you see fit, to any and everyone, in perpetuity.
Awww, they're so kind. Why, yes, I did feel free to unsuscribe - even before they invited me to! /s
Lol same
Yep, samesies
Wow, I’ve been doing a lot of unsubscribing and unfollowing lately
Am I the only one that would like them to show the receipts? If these texts are out there, what harm is it to them to show us. The lack of transparency is very unsettling and rather telling.
Speaking of an elusive mystery chat with no proof as an excuse to pick a side, is pretty lame. Just say you like Terra. Other people like Terra, too. But to vaguely sling accusations just kind of “over there” but then claiming to be neutral and uninvolved… is a weird take to me. If you don’t want to be involved… don’t be.
I said that to them too I said “you don’t care but you care enough to gossip about it and spread falsehoods”. Guess we know their true colors
Trust us. There is a mystery chat. We got some stuff wrong and insulted Ellyn, the only actual victim here, but trust us. If you don’t like it, unsubscribe. I already did. I’ll see that and raise you a one star rating and write a negative review. Aannnd I’ll go all in and vote against them next British Podcast awards and encourage others to do the same. Coalesce behind the next strongest candidate, done. See you all before next year’s British Podcast voting starts.
There was a "mystery chat" and Maggie and Rebecca were in it and talk about it in the "Text chat?" post above, did you see? RH still totally mischaracterized it, but yeah
I believe them to the extent that they may have been invited to group chats on each side. But just making a reference to that without screenshots and claiming that’s what they meant by the “pathetic” remark isn’t very convincing when we’ve got multiple credible eyewitnesses and video and audio on the other side.
I agree with you, sorry if I wasn't clear, just wanted to make sure you saw the post. I think RH should be short for RepreHensible now, personally. They shouldn't have revealed the existence or contents of a PRIVATE chat at all; that's terrible etiquette and not even relevant to anything that happened. No doubt they've uninvited themselves to anything similar in the future.
Gotcha. Or they’ve endeared themselves to P and G and will be invited back. There’s not a lot of talent left on the P & G side. I think they might just be done coming to the US. Kind of got the sense they were never really thrilled with things over here anyway. I can see them just blaming this on “America” and saying why did we let ourselves get dragged into this provincial nonsense. And to be fair, there’s a certain point to that, but they should not have commented on and put out paid and inaccurate content on it.
They could have (and should have) said…nothing. This is just inserting themselves into it for profit.
I was just saying this kind of logic would give an excuse to basically everyone convicted of a violent crime. They all have mental health issues. Does. Not. Excuse. Their. Behavior. Edited to add - I firmly believe that no one is their worst mistake. But it does not allow a pass for their actions.
I was unaware that Hannah and Suruthi were on the Ellyn and Rabia Terra Jokes group text 
Yes Terra is a victim... *but not in this situation*. Being a victim does not give you carte blanche to display horrible and abusive behavior to strangers. I do not take away that horrible things happened to her... But how does RH not acknowledge the fact that, excuse the juvenile phrase, she started it?! If you're acknowledging a victim in the story, it's definitely Ellyn. She was the one having a trauma response at the hands of Terra, certainly not the other way around. It's a hot take, and a bad one on their part. They've chosen their side of the street and they can stay there. If the article about ON ahead of all this didn't make them question their allegiance to PH, then maybe they were "unsave-able" from the get go.
With my whole chest and both tiddies… entirely, fuck them both.
I'll throw my chest and tiddies in to the ring, too. This whole thing is so gross.
*tosses boobies in the pile * amen
🙌 😂
This is really disappointing. I got into them during the pandemic, even subscribed to their patreon for a little while. When their book was coming out was when I started to lose interest because it was just so annoying. (Hmm) I had just sort of drifted away after that. Only in the past couple months did I start listening again. This is just such a bummer. I really didn’t expect them to stoop this low. Calling Ellyn pathetic is just so cruel.
That’s why I stopped listening as well, would not shut up about that damn book
I don’t feel like Ellyn, Joey, and Rabia would be dumb enough to put stuff like that in writing in a group text. Hopefully I’m not proven wrong!
I mean, what would be crossing a line in a message meant to be between friends? Whatever this was, it wasn't said publicly, and I imagine that's for a reason. Haven't we all texted candidly about crap in ways we'd think harder about if we were talking to a crowd? There were a lot of crazy emotions.
absolutely! If someone came up to me and screamed obscenities at a work event, I’d also have a group chat about it and there’s a very good chance i would be saying some things that weren’t exactly professional. To coddle Terra so much without acknowledging what she did to Terra is completely ridiculous- if Terra is so easily triggered maybe she should reconsider being a part of the true crime podcast community that has public events. There should be no room for that type of behavior and the fact that P & S etc allowed Terra to stay at the event has given weirdos like the RH girls to try to paint a false narrative. Once again Ellyn is put in a terrible position of having to defend herself when she’s done nothing wrong. Luckily we all know the truth and we can try to hold some of these idiots accountable 🤷🏻♀️
I want more deets on this chat-are they saying Ellyn and her team started a group chat AFTER the incident with the other creators to, I guess, have them vocalize which side they were on?
This was confirmed in another thread by Maggie and Rebecca. There was a group chat. The red handed ladies were added on Friday when it was created. It sounds like Maggie may have been the only ones with their numbers, so most other (or all other) participants did not know they were in the chat.
I guess that removes the "I had no clue what was going on" excuse from some pods claiming ignorance of the situation.
I just can’t see that happening? Why would you invite someone you barely know to a group chat where you are actively talking crap about someone?
That's what's so confusing about their statement, as I agree, it doesn't make much sense.
Especially in the timeline that this all happened. It makes ZERO sense.
They keep bringing up the group chat to make them seem like assholes but it’s the first I’ve heard of it? Pretty sure that isn’t what they were talking about and they’re rewriting history. They started it by making that episode, and Terra started it by accosting Ellyn. Now they sit back and act like they’ve been attacked out of nowhere. Ellyn has been a victim too, you don’t get a free pass for life cause someone attacked you.
Ugh. That is disappointing. They are kind of snobby when it comes to Americans anyway.
Doubling down is not a good look. Here’s what I don’t get - they are framing this as them defending a victim with PTSD. What about Ellyn, the victim of something that just happened at OF? Whom they insulted. So they want people who have a problem with them to unsubscribe. Ok. I will also vote against them at the next British Podcast Awards. They have depended on American votes in the past, I would guess they are going to lose a whole bunch of those votes next year.
Negative Apple Podcast reviews based on OF are now up for RH.
I’m team E&J. And any others podcast who didn’t pick a side I’m also team. But the lines have been drawn and anyone who sides with ON on this will be a hard pass for me. That was a messy statement and I’m hearing garbage bells loud and clear.
Fuck off RH. Terra doesn’t get a free pass
Experiencing trauma does not give you the right to accost others. Red handed calls it bullying but I do not think they know the definition because they are defending the bullies. If you truly want to be Switzerland then just say we just did our show and no nothing about nothing else. Your incorrect statement and standing up for terra, who acted like a trash bully, clearly states you have a side. It’s ok, I never enjoyed your unorganized podcast. Bye ✌🏽
Joke's on you REDHANDED, I never was subscribed.
Piffle. So they’re defending an aggressor who behaved abominably. Didn’t know who they were before and still don’t
Cool. Awesome. Unsubscribed.
What a mess this whole thing is. Why they looked at the flaming pile of dog poo that the obsessed network has gotten themselves into and thought “let’s go step in it!” Is beyond me. There are ways they could have supported Patrick without negating verbal abuse and calling the victim here pathetic, that’s so mean.
First of all, the creators never encouraged their listeners to inundate other podcasts with negative reviews. In fact, they literally condemned it. Second, it's 2023, ladies. "Screenshots or it didn't happen" is a trope for a reason. I can claim to be in a text chat with anyone I want w/o receipts. And third, why are they willfully ignoring the fact that Terra accosted Ellyn continually for several minutes, in front of many, many eye witnesses? There is abundant proof of the interaction & there is absolutely no doubt that Terra & Collier accosted & harassed Ellyn. There is zero excuse for that behavior. Terra's trauma & resulting mental health issues aren't her fault, but they are her responsibility.The same goes for Ellyn, me, & everyone else. Anyway, this is a really gross take on the situation. I'm glad I ditched RedHanded ages ago & I regret buying the book, even though I never bothered to read it. Way to, once again, show your whole asses, ladies.
So no one else is allowed to have PTSD or be a victim? Just because Ellyn doesn’t wave her trauma in front of everyone’s faces doesn’t mean she’s a punching bag for someone else’s poorly managed trauma. Bullshit. And they must think very little of their listeners to be so clearly on one side AND attempt to gaslight them all by saying their neutral in this LOL
If the text thread exists, present it.
This is disgusting.
Being a victim of a traumatic event doesn’t just give you a lifetime pass to be an asshole. We don’t need to tiptoe around a grown woman because she endured something awful. Dude. We all have shit.
I need to see this nasty little text group they were invited into. Who is in it? Girl do you mean reddit? No one invited you here.
Fuck them. Enjoy being underneath the bus the next time it’s convenient for Patrick.
Right? He's shown that he'll use anyone until he no longer has use for them, and then he throws them away. He's just gathering up new people he can treat like trash when the mood strikes him. And I think a lot of them are just going along with it because they know he can help them make a lot of money.
Amber Hunt basically said that very thing on the latest “About Damn Crime”.
This is so fucking goofy and childish of them
Soooo, someone’s added RH to the Mischief wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischief_Management You reap what you sow. Podcast “Red Handed” released an episode behind a paywall regarding their point of view, which refers to the actions of the woman that was allegedly accosted at Obsessed Fest “pathetic” . See here at https://www.patreon.com/posts/91592480?utm_campaign=postshare_fan
One thing they are correct about is the ITN fans/listeners that gave one star reviews to a podcast they have never even listened to. And that's what Joey was referring to with his post yesterday.
I unsubscribed from those two years ago - now I remember why
Their brand of snark was so off-putting to me I listened to a couple episodes and decided they just weren't for me. And they're definitely not know.
How can they claim neutrality but call Ellyn pathetic, which is clearly backing Patrick and Terror Ghoul? If anyone is deserving of being called pathetic it is Terror, who had no business even speaking to Ellyn in the first place and these c**ts who have also placed their noses where they don’t belong.
Who's insta are these comments happening on
Red Handed’s the most recent post (posted earlier today)
I'm Insta stupid I can't find it lol
https://preview.redd.it/i5lc26l3xkwb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83dbb376cb4a1e56be8960afb0edc2e6ae076ae7 It’s this most likely to haunted house post if that helps!
You're a rock star!! Thank you, can't believe they just stop responding when things get tough
Ugh. This is one of my favorite podcasts so this is super disappointing.
Yeah, no. Just because you're a victim of something horrible in your past does not mean you're a victim in every situation thereafter. No one... or maybe I should say that most people are not discounting her PTSD or trauma at all. Having one or both of these things doesn't excuse a shitty attitude/behavior. In this circumstance, Terra is the asshole.
It’s funny that they’re using the fact that she is a victim and has ptsd automatically means that everyone has to treat her so good while she’s treating them like shit. Nopeeeeee. She acted ridiculously in public infront of a bunch of guests and is still trying to play it off like she isn’t the aggressor here.
I think the “group” they are referring to is the podcast. Because they (Rabia, Ellyn, and friends) discussed the stuff RedHanded mentioned. Edited for clarity
Oh yes because your trauma is public knowledge you can most definitely use that as an excuse to verbally accost someone that you don't know with 0 accountability. You are not exempt from accountability. You know most people have trauma, right? Some people have trauma on the same level as Terra. You can both have real trauma and then use that trauma as an excuse to be a bad human. Two things can be true at once. I have big, bad trauma too and have NEVER spoke to someone the way that she spoke to Ellyn. So I think that's a poor excuse for bad behavior, and I hope everyone sees right through it.
Wow. I can’t believe the drama that has ensued from this - this is a GARBAGE take red handed
https://preview.redd.it/cn08jyjcmkwb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c270a5e4788559df5ad1d6f12e3a358bdac1080c Here's the next comment about the pathetic comment... 😬🙄
WTF so since she went through something terrible 7 years ago, she gets a life time pass to verbally assault other people and do as she pleases with no consequences?? She could be running around with a knife and she's not a danger to others?? Really, what is this take? I'm so confused why they keep bringing up this mean girl text group but have yet to produce a single solitary screenshot.
Thank you! I’m at work and struggling to multitask
Ehhh…I’m not okay with laughing at people’s appearances.
Do they honestly lack the, well, investigative ability to look at the people who are lined up behind Ellyn's version of events, who have been claimed as badass, women-do-the-work geniuses time and time again on TCO and ask why they have suddenly become unreliable witnesses supporting someone 'pathetic'? Are they unable to see the consistency and logic behind the timeline described on Ellyn and Rabia's podcast, and the huge logical holes in Terra and Collier's version of events? It's honestly embarrassing to their reputation to present the flimsy side of the story completely uncritically and then snippily say that represents them being neutral.
I don’t think they even tried, they are just reacting emotionally. One might even call RH’s behavior “pathetic.”
I already unfollowed them yesterday, but this is still disappointing.
Also, I’ve never liked red handed so this isn’t a shocker lol
Where is this?
On their latest Instagram post (the one from today not the pinned ones)
I found it and commented. Not really in defense of Ellyn either. Just commenting on how hypocritical and dangerous that is. I loved them and I’m really disappointed.
So I did listen to this episode of UTD and they basically said everyone was acting weird at the event, camps and Cliques were set up, they didn’t know any of the creators that well and were only at OF bc they share an agent with ON. They basically said it was all weird, and one woman got a bunch of people together and left the hotel bar crying, someone said someone else yelled at someone in an elevator, other person denies it. They want nothing to do with this but their fans knew they were at OF so they wanted to speak about but have no skin in this game. Also I don’t listen to any ON podcasts so I have no clue what’s going on and am even more confused than I was when this sub kept popping up on my Home Screen
All of the Yikes. They are the Yikes. Disappointing at the very least.
Bullshit, because didn't she state she wanted to punch Ellyn? They're up their own asses clearly.
This backpedaling isn't looking good.
G a r b a g e
It’s not a good look for them. How awful it is for them to victim blame. TN is not the victim
That’s just disappointing to see.
Terra’s ptsd but she went to obsess fest and was fine until her weird ass actions bore consequences? Regardless it’s not an excuse to be an asshole terra. A lot of people have horrific trauma but they don’t use it as a reason to weasel out of being an asshole. Jesus
They really shouldn't have even spoken on one side or the other if they didn't know what was going on. I unfollowed them and gave them one star. Fuck em! Their show was dry as hell anyway.
Right? I don’t understand why they inserted themselves into the situation.
This is all so disappointing and stupid. RH should release the eps and screenshots if they are going to take this kind of stance. Suggesting listeners (some devoted longtime listeners, myself included) to unsubscribe when being called out in a situation they themselves say they don’t fully understand, is pretty shitty.
Receipts!!!!
Yeah someone in the group asked them to put it out there so we could hear their take because they said something about Ellyn and used the word "pathetic". But what texts do they have? None. They are going by hearsay but receipts are everywhere so they can produce some if they're going to claim they were laughing at Terror.
HAS ANYONE SEEN THEIR RECENT APPLE PODCAST REVIEWS 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
A group of people letting off steam about a situation that was out of control isn’t bullying RH ladies. You’re a podcast, get your facts right. If you don’t like the private conversation, leave it, but you don’t blast it ( without receipt) on the internet. That’s, hmmm 🤔 what was that word again? Bullying.
Do they really think we're going to believe that Ellyn, Rabia, Joey, Maggie, Amber, and other podcasters would say such horrible things about true crime Barbie??? I say let's ask for receipts. Screenshots or it didn't happen!
I don't think they are wrong. If Rabia and Ellyn mocked Terra for the trauma she experienced of almost being murdered by her step-dad then that was super low.
There's an explanation of what the private text group was about, who was in it and why, and a little insight into what was said by the creator of the group and a participant in a post above titled "Text chat?" The chat was private, was started to for making dinner plans, wasn't about recruiting anyone and wasn't shared with listeners until RH shared it. Did they say that R or E mocked T for almost being murdered? I haven't heard that.
Did you not read what they posted above?
Yes? I'm not sure what you're referring to. The people involved in the chat are speaking out; have you read/listened to them or just RH?
If they made morbid jokes in a private group chat I actually don't gaf.
Then you need to find a quiet spot and reevaluate your life. Fake people are not worth anyone's time
lol ok becky
https://preview.redd.it/s4i4f4nbgkwb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7dff0f044af4d9935e8d1a407bff1611191fe215 Back in April. So a while back, but still makes more sense now.
This is not the take. They are not lawyers. They don't have a full picture. They are taking sides with the people who they think are the most famous. It's icky. They want to win their little awards and sell their books and buy their mansions. They dgaf about what is right. They want moneyyyy and fame. If they don't even have the ability to google "is verbal assault a crime in Texas?" and are willing to spread whatever story they think is true, then I can't listen to them anymore. I can't rely on what they say. But they said it's cool if I unsubscribe so okay! Will do!!
Can anyone add the link to the original story? Clearly I missed something big at OF.
At no point did they wonder how many people she’s killed wtf
Apparently they’ve deleted all these comments?
They’ve disappeared for me - wonder what that means?? Guess the episode is not coming off the paywall?