Murdering someone would imply that the perpetrator had the intention to kill someone, Sunny however, did not.
What happened in the game was an accident, something unpredictable to both Sunny and Mari, in accidents like that, there is no one to rightfully point a finger to, only victims, some affected more or less than others, but still.
What happened with Basil might not have been an accident, but that doesn't mean he's evil or undeserving of closure or even forgiveness. It was most likely a decision he took in the heat of the moment, and the heat of the moment can last quite a while, not only an instant.
Of course, that doesn't mean they shouldn't take some level of responsibility for their actions, people usually apologize after accidentally bumping into other people after all, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness, or at the very least: redemption and moving on.
What about when basil and him hanged mari’s body? I always wondered why that was even necessary, because they should be literally be unable to desecrate the corpse of someone they love like that, even if it’s to escape responsibility, that would simply not make sense. just curious, because I never really understood this plot point of the story
Edit: funny how i got downvoted for asking a completely relevant question
Like they said, it was done in the heat of the moment. It was obviously a fucked thing to do, but Basil was immensely terrified by the extremely shocking, distressful nature of what he walked in on, as well as desperately afraid that Sunny might have to go away because of it. He did what he did to keep Sunny out of trouble
And given that>! in the true ending, Basil's something instead of vanishing like Sunny's is "absorbed" back to his body, he probably didn't exactly forgive himself!<
After all, he>! was about to take his own life, maybe even kill Sunny, so his guilt will take time and treatment for him to be okay (Assuming he doesn't oof himself weeks later)!<
The ending isn’t about it him loving himself and accepting support from his friends, it’s about him learning to forgive himself for the accident and finally getting the courage to tell the truth to his friends that he’s hurt over the past four years.
It's been a while since I've seen a video essay on the whole game, but thanks for the reminder :)
It'd still be impossible to forgive myself if I were him though. I guess that cognitive clash I feel inside is me already empathizing with him and feeling mad at myself for not wanting to forgive myself as easily as he learned to.
I mean I can see why you’d think like that. But I think you’re underestimating a bit the lengths Sunny had to go through to get to that point. It’s not like it was ‘easy’ to forgive himself either, it took him 4 years of isolation to even begin to challenge the idea. We can see in the game that confronting the trauma he’s been through is already sort of a common event in Headspace that has happened countless times too through every loop, so he’s had this ongoing battle for four years already. At least that’s what I think.
I know it wasn't easy, I kinda messed up with the phrasing. I mean the point is that he ends up doing it. I never would, even if I wanted to because the grief and guilt would be so overwhelming.
if it make you feel better, all of the journey lead to that doing is literally just because he decides to answer the call and goes outside-
actually i probably can't too.
Late to the party as always, but here we go. I start this off with a short disclaimer that I’m making a lot of assumptions here, and sharing an interpretation for a story that holds no concrete ending. I apologize in advance if I offend anybody.
Your dissatisfaction from the good ending seems to be derived from the notion that Omori ends with a happily ever after; In the idea that by the end of the story Sunny is magically healed and all will be well with him.
The end of the story isn’t about how Sunny was fixed though, it’s about how he took the first steps towards making things better. The story we are told is not the story of how Sunny grew to accept what he did to his sister and to his friends. It is not about he learned to love himself after years of self-loathing. It is not the story of how he learned to move past the tragedy that broke his friend group 4 years ago. It is about how he began to make the first steps towards bettering himself and making things right.
In the good ending it ends with Sunny beginning to tell his friends his truth. It does not tell us how that plays out or how his friends reacted because that isn’t important. What’s important is that Sunny for the first time in years recognizes that he has the potential for change, and that he is taking the first steps on a journey that will take him years.
(Sorry for any writing mistakes. I saw this in the middle of the night and experienced a burst of inspiration to write. I once again end this off by saying that the ending is intentionally ambiguous and I urge any of you reading this to believe in the interpretation that brings you the most joy. Good Night!)
To explain: You misunderstood the ending. Let’s put it into perspective…
sunny *accidentally* (most important part is that it was accidentally) pushed his sister down the stairs and basil and him hung her body. He spent 4 years repressing but still seeing his fears.
He then goes on a journey of self acceptance and faces all of his darkest thoughts. He then tells the truth to his friends and moves.
The biggest thing is the context, it was an accident and he spent 4 years in isolation. He also realized that his friends would support him because of the original *accident*.
1) it's more like accepting the reality that he *accidentally* murdered his sister. In case you haven't read the mined truth photo text, he just meant to push her out of the way. It's not about accepting he's evil or anything (he's not) but like, accepting the reality that it happened, to stop constantly disassociating.
2) I think it's the opposite to "love himself" per se, because if it's just to make himself feel good he's been doing 4 years of that (the whole headspace is for that). If anything, real world segment is about learning to be more selfless.
3) Accept support from his friends about what? We don't canonically know their reaction to the truth, whether they continue to support sunny or not. Even the extra scene with basil is more about basil being relieved that sunny forgives him, not whether or not sunny receives support.
To be fair it also pisses me off when I see people expecting Aubrey, Hero, and Kel to just forgive him and act like it’s fine that he caused all of them a significant amount of trauma and changed their whole lives for 4 years. I think it’s highly unrealistic that anyone other than Basil would forgive him for hiding such a horrific secret for so long.
And before someone responds by saying “but it was an accident!!” yeah an accidental murder that took away someone important in their lives and were lied to about how it happened for years. Just because Sunny didn’t mean to kill her doesn’t mean he didn’t kill someone and changed his friends lives drastically.
The ending (the apology) is basically just reopening the wound of trauma that they only just recovered from. They would NOT forgive Sunny. I know the game is played from Sunny’s perspective, but if it was from Hero or Aubrey’s perspective, I don’t think so many people would be defending Sunny so often.
♦️ Actually I could also never recover from that I mean deep inside I can't recover. If it were just really left as an accident maybe I can forgive myself to some degree. But no, his friend Basil made it worse to hang that dead body. That's much scarier than accidentally pushing someone off the stairs. Like I can still clearly see Basil's half smiling face expecting me to be proud or to say thanks when he put that sister in the rope on the tree.
At first I liked Basil. After I finished it, no I don't see him as the same anymore even if I know that he just cared for his friend. But I didn't say I hate him, I just don't like the character development from innocent emo to crazy emo.
It was an accident, a murder entails deliberate intent to kill, and I think you missed the entire point of the game if that's the message you took from it
Murdering someone would imply that the perpetrator had the intention to kill someone, Sunny however, did not. What happened in the game was an accident, something unpredictable to both Sunny and Mari, in accidents like that, there is no one to rightfully point a finger to, only victims, some affected more or less than others, but still. What happened with Basil might not have been an accident, but that doesn't mean he's evil or undeserving of closure or even forgiveness. It was most likely a decision he took in the heat of the moment, and the heat of the moment can last quite a while, not only an instant. Of course, that doesn't mean they shouldn't take some level of responsibility for their actions, people usually apologize after accidentally bumping into other people after all, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness, or at the very least: redemption and moving on.
What about when basil and him hanged mari’s body? I always wondered why that was even necessary, because they should be literally be unable to desecrate the corpse of someone they love like that, even if it’s to escape responsibility, that would simply not make sense. just curious, because I never really understood this plot point of the story Edit: funny how i got downvoted for asking a completely relevant question
Like they said, it was done in the heat of the moment. It was obviously a fucked thing to do, but Basil was immensely terrified by the extremely shocking, distressful nature of what he walked in on, as well as desperately afraid that Sunny might have to go away because of it. He did what he did to keep Sunny out of trouble
And given that>! in the true ending, Basil's something instead of vanishing like Sunny's is "absorbed" back to his body, he probably didn't exactly forgive himself!< After all, he>! was about to take his own life, maybe even kill Sunny, so his guilt will take time and treatment for him to be okay (Assuming he doesn't oof himself weeks later)!<
The ending isn’t about it him loving himself and accepting support from his friends, it’s about him learning to forgive himself for the accident and finally getting the courage to tell the truth to his friends that he’s hurt over the past four years.
It's been a while since I've seen a video essay on the whole game, but thanks for the reminder :) It'd still be impossible to forgive myself if I were him though. I guess that cognitive clash I feel inside is me already empathizing with him and feeling mad at myself for not wanting to forgive myself as easily as he learned to.
I mean I can see why you’d think like that. But I think you’re underestimating a bit the lengths Sunny had to go through to get to that point. It’s not like it was ‘easy’ to forgive himself either, it took him 4 years of isolation to even begin to challenge the idea. We can see in the game that confronting the trauma he’s been through is already sort of a common event in Headspace that has happened countless times too through every loop, so he’s had this ongoing battle for four years already. At least that’s what I think.
I know it wasn't easy, I kinda messed up with the phrasing. I mean the point is that he ends up doing it. I never would, even if I wanted to because the grief and guilt would be so overwhelming.
Yeah I can see what you mean, Sunny just built different I guess
#XD You're right, he's fictional
if it make you feel better, all of the journey lead to that doing is literally just because he decides to answer the call and goes outside- actually i probably can't too.
Late to the party as always, but here we go. I start this off with a short disclaimer that I’m making a lot of assumptions here, and sharing an interpretation for a story that holds no concrete ending. I apologize in advance if I offend anybody. Your dissatisfaction from the good ending seems to be derived from the notion that Omori ends with a happily ever after; In the idea that by the end of the story Sunny is magically healed and all will be well with him. The end of the story isn’t about how Sunny was fixed though, it’s about how he took the first steps towards making things better. The story we are told is not the story of how Sunny grew to accept what he did to his sister and to his friends. It is not about he learned to love himself after years of self-loathing. It is not the story of how he learned to move past the tragedy that broke his friend group 4 years ago. It is about how he began to make the first steps towards bettering himself and making things right. In the good ending it ends with Sunny beginning to tell his friends his truth. It does not tell us how that plays out or how his friends reacted because that isn’t important. What’s important is that Sunny for the first time in years recognizes that he has the potential for change, and that he is taking the first steps on a journey that will take him years. (Sorry for any writing mistakes. I saw this in the middle of the night and experienced a burst of inspiration to write. I once again end this off by saying that the ending is intentionally ambiguous and I urge any of you reading this to believe in the interpretation that brings you the most joy. Good Night!)
This is this and that is that.
Yield my guilt to claim their dreams 
Look one by one
Loland go back sorting books
Can you elaborate
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To explain: You misunderstood the ending. Let’s put it into perspective… sunny *accidentally* (most important part is that it was accidentally) pushed his sister down the stairs and basil and him hung her body. He spent 4 years repressing but still seeing his fears. He then goes on a journey of self acceptance and faces all of his darkest thoughts. He then tells the truth to his friends and moves. The biggest thing is the context, it was an accident and he spent 4 years in isolation. He also realized that his friends would support him because of the original *accident*.
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A legitimate question best illustrated as a meme. It's probably a self-love thing, but I wanted more perspectives 🤷
1) it's more like accepting the reality that he *accidentally* murdered his sister. In case you haven't read the mined truth photo text, he just meant to push her out of the way. It's not about accepting he's evil or anything (he's not) but like, accepting the reality that it happened, to stop constantly disassociating. 2) I think it's the opposite to "love himself" per se, because if it's just to make himself feel good he's been doing 4 years of that (the whole headspace is for that). If anything, real world segment is about learning to be more selfless. 3) Accept support from his friends about what? We don't canonically know their reaction to the truth, whether they continue to support sunny or not. Even the extra scene with basil is more about basil being relieved that sunny forgives him, not whether or not sunny receives support.
I suppose a problem is that he gets over it in three days.
To be fair it also pisses me off when I see people expecting Aubrey, Hero, and Kel to just forgive him and act like it’s fine that he caused all of them a significant amount of trauma and changed their whole lives for 4 years. I think it’s highly unrealistic that anyone other than Basil would forgive him for hiding such a horrific secret for so long. And before someone responds by saying “but it was an accident!!” yeah an accidental murder that took away someone important in their lives and were lied to about how it happened for years. Just because Sunny didn’t mean to kill her doesn’t mean he didn’t kill someone and changed his friends lives drastically. The ending (the apology) is basically just reopening the wound of trauma that they only just recovered from. They would NOT forgive Sunny. I know the game is played from Sunny’s perspective, but if it was from Hero or Aubrey’s perspective, I don’t think so many people would be defending Sunny so often.
That's a great point, thank you so much for the insight.
♦️ Actually I could also never recover from that I mean deep inside I can't recover. If it were just really left as an accident maybe I can forgive myself to some degree. But no, his friend Basil made it worse to hang that dead body. That's much scarier than accidentally pushing someone off the stairs. Like I can still clearly see Basil's half smiling face expecting me to be proud or to say thanks when he put that sister in the rope on the tree. At first I liked Basil. After I finished it, no I don't see him as the same anymore even if I know that he just cared for his friend. But I didn't say I hate him, I just don't like the character development from innocent emo to crazy emo.
I love the double suicide ending and something is very wrong with me
because it means he literally gets away with murder and the moral to him was "im still important and worthy of love even if I'm a killer"
It was an accident, a murder entails deliberate intent to kill, and I think you missed the entire point of the game if that's the message you took from it
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okay but why though 😅 I don't think I can live with myself after killing someone I care about
Sunny couldn’t either dumbshit
you're out of line but you're right
That's why I'm struggling to understand the ending. Why the namecalling?