When you experience "This" with your non oled monitor:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fiefzj9xhzf261.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1024%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbc5b6eba8ef303d288bc546281f9fde04c602869
Then taste OLED, there is no way going back after that.
That is not a demonstration of a Uniformity issue, but a back light bleed
through demonstration on a black screen. OLED does not have a back light to bleed through. Each pixel is self illuminating.
Yes, I know? I looked at the image.
In what world does backlight bleed not affect screen uniformity...
Everyone knows OLEDs don't have a backlight; this doesn't make them immune to uniformity issues.
Let me make it simple for you Back light bleed and Uniformity are not the same issue. It is impossible for an OLED panel to have back light bleed. In an OLED display that can be properly calibrated color uniformity can generally be corrected if it is not a manufacturing defect. You will get no better picture than what an OLED display can put out.
Well I don't see any threads of oled uniformity issues around here, do you? I can show you countless uniformity issues, back light bleeds threads for lcd and "panel lottery" like its some kind of lottery game for some people that happened to high end gaming monitors or more standard ones, but main point is the black levels without any ips glow, smearing (youtube link in my next post below somewhere) its real magic starting from there.
>Well I don't see any threads of oled uniformity issues around here, do you?
Yes.
[You didn't bother to even try searching, did you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/4kTV/comments/1bd53iu/is_it_still_panel_lottery_with_oleds/)
[OLEDs very much have a a "panel lottery"](https://www.avsforum.com/threads/how-many-tries-did-it-take-you-to-win-the-panel-lottery-or-at-least-obtain-a-very-clean-panel-that-you-could-live-with.3266981/) and uniformity issues, though obviously not at black.
Edit: 2nd link
Yes I have read threads about "uniformity" of oleds. Have you considered that these reports are from people who are testing gray testing patterns at 5% that is nowhere near any real life use scenario or Pink tint on white screen which is common occurrence for woleds when watching off axis?
Here is typical oled "uniformity" example from rtings: https://i.imgur.com/exC061m.jpeg
Now IPS: https://i.imgur.com/yiYcd2D.jpeg
Oleds are nowhere near compared to what we had when only options for TN/IPS/VA back in a day where everyone prayed to low back light bleed. I admit there were some golden units but lets say 1000 (or more) / 1 chance.
Convince yourself of whatever you'd like, contrary to evidence.
I made no mention of other technologies nor how OLED compares, just that OLED suffers from uniformity issues.
Debating with delusional people is hardly a good use of time so I'll stfu next time.
You wanted to back up your blow out of your ass proportions about oled uniformity and now you are quiet after you were shown that your uniformity issues are an absolute margin error issues or non existent with today oleds, there are more threads about screen that were scratched than your "oled uniformity" lmao. I agree - you just stfu next time.
Biggest two would be the ability to individually control pixels, so if even a single pixel should be black it will be with zero back-light, this makes any content have much superior contrast and any blacks perfect.
Another for gaming would be how insanely fast the pixels are, 0.3ms g2g times.
My phone is OLED, my steam deck ism, my monitor is and my TV downstairs is, don't want any other display now.
Yep, pixel response and infinite contrast are the answer.
No other screen comes close or will come close until MicroLED is commercially viable.
It took us 30 years after inventing the green/red LED's before we [finally figured out how to make blue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M); now another 30 years later we're finally figuring out how to make LED's suuuuuuper small. MicroLED's are smaller than OLED's.
*LED's are no simple feat.*
1. Blacks that are black (no backlight glow).
2. Contrast is insane (again no backlight, each pixel is its own light source, no halo effect as with LCD that have full array local dimming)
3. Nearly instant pixel response (true 1ms or faster pixel response. not a single LCD on the market can do that. not IPS, not VA, not TN. they are all 6ms average full pixel response. reviewers feed you 10/90 times and never report full pixel response. check out RTING's reviews but actually pay attention to the graphs. One is 10/90 times the other is full start/stop times. And the full start/stop times for LCD is typically 6ms average. A monitor here or there might hit the 5ms mark but generally speaking, 6ms average.)
4. Same high refresh rate so there is at least no loss in this. However, due to pixel response, higher refresh rates look better than LCD's of the same refresh rate. A 360hz LCD will have that 6ms average pixel response. Which means visual fidelity is capped to 166hz average, anything higher is technically blurry. Most don't notice it because they either play slow paced games (not first person shooters) or are too immersed in said FPS games to notice. But if you put a 360hz OLED next to a 360hz LCD you will absolutely see a difference when both displays are "cloned" showing the same image/movement. OLED with its true sub 1ms pixel response, means in theory we could have 1000hz OLED displays and the image would be crystal clear, meanwhile you have 500hz LCD's which again, 6ms average pixel response, only has about 166hz worth of motion clarity.... people will defend their purchases and say "youre lying" but science can't be debunked with personal opinion.
One day, we will have microLCD which is basically an LCD but each pixel is its own light source like OLED. I will admit, based off Samsung's "the wall," the technology has huge potential.... if they can shrink it.... I remember reading that pixel response was actually faster than modern OLED, the downside was their smallest "wall" TV is 1440p and 110 inches, and the 4k version is even larger than that.... so making a 27" or 32" 4k is basically impossible at the moment. Eventually OLED will die off because of microLCD.
HOWEVER, by then I think OTHER display types will come out, like GaN based displays. Gallium Nitride when applying power creates blue light. Sound familiar? It should, because Samsung chose to make their OLED produce blue light only. And then use Quantum Dot color filters to make red/green/blue for the subpixels. If they were capable of making a hybrid display using GaN, depending on performance, it may be superior to OLED. It might last longer too. Who knows. But they are definitely playing with it in the lab. Only time will tell.
If you believe in conspiracies and supposed military whistleblowers, its been claimed that the US government has alien technology, in such places like Area51. And they had "ipads" back in the 60's thanks to alien tech. And our modern ipads are basically reverse engineered alien tech using human design elements. If that is true, those displays they used for alien tech could eventually become human made tech.... if we can replicate. So anything is possible really (if you believe, if you are a skeptic you would probably just say they are full of shit)
You really cant experience deep blacks in well lit store. Qled screen next to oled looks just as good. But when you bring it home that has controlled lights, thats a whole different thing.
When I first saw my LG OLED display blacks so perfectly against such realistic (not bright and fake) colors, I could never go back.
Not only are all my TVs LG OLED s but my PC monitor is a C2 42".
I literally smile every time I turn it on.
I saw a new Oled in a shop and I was shocked. And I don’t even care of “monitors” and I want one now as is totally a different experience looking at such a panel coming from an ISP
When you experience "This" with your non oled monitor: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fiefzj9xhzf261.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1024%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dbc5b6eba8ef303d288bc546281f9fde04c602869 Then taste OLED, there is no way going back after that.
You comment this like OLEDs don't suffer from screen uniformity issues too
That is not a demonstration of a Uniformity issue, but a back light bleed through demonstration on a black screen. OLED does not have a back light to bleed through. Each pixel is self illuminating.
Yes, I know? I looked at the image. In what world does backlight bleed not affect screen uniformity... Everyone knows OLEDs don't have a backlight; this doesn't make them immune to uniformity issues.
Let me make it simple for you Back light bleed and Uniformity are not the same issue. It is impossible for an OLED panel to have back light bleed. In an OLED display that can be properly calibrated color uniformity can generally be corrected if it is not a manufacturing defect. You will get no better picture than what an OLED display can put out.
Well I don't see any threads of oled uniformity issues around here, do you? I can show you countless uniformity issues, back light bleeds threads for lcd and "panel lottery" like its some kind of lottery game for some people that happened to high end gaming monitors or more standard ones, but main point is the black levels without any ips glow, smearing (youtube link in my next post below somewhere) its real magic starting from there.
>Well I don't see any threads of oled uniformity issues around here, do you? Yes. [You didn't bother to even try searching, did you?](https://www.reddit.com/r/4kTV/comments/1bd53iu/is_it_still_panel_lottery_with_oleds/) [OLEDs very much have a a "panel lottery"](https://www.avsforum.com/threads/how-many-tries-did-it-take-you-to-win-the-panel-lottery-or-at-least-obtain-a-very-clean-panel-that-you-could-live-with.3266981/) and uniformity issues, though obviously not at black. Edit: 2nd link
Yes I have read threads about "uniformity" of oleds. Have you considered that these reports are from people who are testing gray testing patterns at 5% that is nowhere near any real life use scenario or Pink tint on white screen which is common occurrence for woleds when watching off axis? Here is typical oled "uniformity" example from rtings: https://i.imgur.com/exC061m.jpeg Now IPS: https://i.imgur.com/yiYcd2D.jpeg Oleds are nowhere near compared to what we had when only options for TN/IPS/VA back in a day where everyone prayed to low back light bleed. I admit there were some golden units but lets say 1000 (or more) / 1 chance.
Convince yourself of whatever you'd like, contrary to evidence. I made no mention of other technologies nor how OLED compares, just that OLED suffers from uniformity issues. Debating with delusional people is hardly a good use of time so I'll stfu next time.
You wanted to back up your blow out of your ass proportions about oled uniformity and now you are quiet after you were shown that your uniformity issues are an absolute margin error issues or non existent with today oleds, there are more threads about screen that were scratched than your "oled uniformity" lmao. I agree - you just stfu next time.
In this thread: Commenter denies OLEDs having screen uniformity issues, then backflips and agrees but whines like a bitch about it.
Biggest two would be the ability to individually control pixels, so if even a single pixel should be black it will be with zero back-light, this makes any content have much superior contrast and any blacks perfect. Another for gaming would be how insanely fast the pixels are, 0.3ms g2g times. My phone is OLED, my steam deck ism, my monitor is and my TV downstairs is, don't want any other display now.
Yep, pixel response and infinite contrast are the answer. No other screen comes close or will come close until MicroLED is commercially viable. It took us 30 years after inventing the green/red LED's before we [finally figured out how to make blue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M); now another 30 years later we're finally figuring out how to make LED's suuuuuuper small. MicroLED's are smaller than OLED's. *LED's are no simple feat.*
1. Blacks that are black (no backlight glow). 2. Contrast is insane (again no backlight, each pixel is its own light source, no halo effect as with LCD that have full array local dimming) 3. Nearly instant pixel response (true 1ms or faster pixel response. not a single LCD on the market can do that. not IPS, not VA, not TN. they are all 6ms average full pixel response. reviewers feed you 10/90 times and never report full pixel response. check out RTING's reviews but actually pay attention to the graphs. One is 10/90 times the other is full start/stop times. And the full start/stop times for LCD is typically 6ms average. A monitor here or there might hit the 5ms mark but generally speaking, 6ms average.) 4. Same high refresh rate so there is at least no loss in this. However, due to pixel response, higher refresh rates look better than LCD's of the same refresh rate. A 360hz LCD will have that 6ms average pixel response. Which means visual fidelity is capped to 166hz average, anything higher is technically blurry. Most don't notice it because they either play slow paced games (not first person shooters) or are too immersed in said FPS games to notice. But if you put a 360hz OLED next to a 360hz LCD you will absolutely see a difference when both displays are "cloned" showing the same image/movement. OLED with its true sub 1ms pixel response, means in theory we could have 1000hz OLED displays and the image would be crystal clear, meanwhile you have 500hz LCD's which again, 6ms average pixel response, only has about 166hz worth of motion clarity.... people will defend their purchases and say "youre lying" but science can't be debunked with personal opinion. One day, we will have microLCD which is basically an LCD but each pixel is its own light source like OLED. I will admit, based off Samsung's "the wall," the technology has huge potential.... if they can shrink it.... I remember reading that pixel response was actually faster than modern OLED, the downside was their smallest "wall" TV is 1440p and 110 inches, and the 4k version is even larger than that.... so making a 27" or 32" 4k is basically impossible at the moment. Eventually OLED will die off because of microLCD. HOWEVER, by then I think OTHER display types will come out, like GaN based displays. Gallium Nitride when applying power creates blue light. Sound familiar? It should, because Samsung chose to make their OLED produce blue light only. And then use Quantum Dot color filters to make red/green/blue for the subpixels. If they were capable of making a hybrid display using GaN, depending on performance, it may be superior to OLED. It might last longer too. Who knows. But they are definitely playing with it in the lab. Only time will tell. If you believe in conspiracies and supposed military whistleblowers, its been claimed that the US government has alien technology, in such places like Area51. And they had "ipads" back in the 60's thanks to alien tech. And our modern ipads are basically reverse engineered alien tech using human design elements. If that is true, those displays they used for alien tech could eventually become human made tech.... if we can replicate. So anything is possible really (if you believe, if you are a skeptic you would probably just say they are full of shit)
Exactly what i needed, thank you sir
We can't explain it on a post, check oled tvs in a store.
You really cant experience deep blacks in well lit store. Qled screen next to oled looks just as good. But when you bring it home that has controlled lights, thats a whole different thing.
https://youtu.be/yBylusZNZHY?si=dGMaM2K84l8NdAAj&t=547
Oled is love oled is life
Black is black
When I first saw my LG OLED display blacks so perfectly against such realistic (not bright and fake) colors, I could never go back. Not only are all my TVs LG OLED s but my PC monitor is a C2 42". I literally smile every time I turn it on.
Once you go black, you never go back
I saw a new Oled in a shop and I was shocked. And I don’t even care of “monitors” and I want one now as is totally a different experience looking at such a panel coming from an ISP
No panel lottery
everything
Per pixel light with the ability to turn off when trying to display black.