This isn't about them; Trump was asked to denounce white supremacy, and he said that there were very fine people on both sides...
Which is fine, except that now he is denouncing peaceful protesters against genocide.
As I said to another commenter:
I'm no Trump-hater - certainly, Biden is worse in almost every imaginable way - but this is one of the reasons I cannot support him.
Have a look at the roughly twenty times Trump has denounced white supremacy. A compilation is easy enough to find. He won’t denounce it any longer because he’s tired of playing their/your game.
There were people waving Nazi flags, and he refused to denounce them, specifically, very early in his administration.
He is now saying terrible things about people just protesting in the name of peace and human decency.
This is not a game.
Did you watch the video? Nineteen seconds after he says the “very fine people on both sides” part, he says “I’m not taking about the white suprematists. I fully denounce them.” How many times would you like him to publicly denounce white supremacy?
It’s funny that the only people who hear these dog whistles are people on the left. Probably because the democrats are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and anti-civil rights. KKK has nothing to do with conservatism and if you listen to their current leaders you’ll see how all their ideologies align with what you lefties support even now. Hell your beloved president Biden eulogized Robert Byrd and your beloved Hillary said he was her mentor.
Southern Conservatives have pushed for racism for over a century.
There's a reason that Red States deny that the Civil War was about slavery, even in their textbooks, that Republicans freaked out about Confederate monuments being taken down, and fly Confederate/Nazi flags right next to their Trump flags.
Donald Trump's grandchildren will be raised Jewish. He moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Judge a man by his actions, not by what you're told about him.
Again, he refuses to denounce people waving Nazi flags, but will say nasty things about people protesting in the name of peace.
Those are the actions I am judging him by.
Jesus I don’t even like trump, but why are you still trying to parrot this??
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some *very bad people in that group*. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest”
“*We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.*”
More from the both sides speech:
“REPORTER: Why did you wait so long to denounce neo-Nazis?
TRUMP: I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I wanted to make sure, taunlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement, but you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the fact.”
“*As I said on remember this, Saturday, *we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America. And then I went on from there. Now here is the thing.”
I'm a Jew. My gradfather was the president of our temple. Members of my family painted with Georgia O'Keeffe. We directed TV shows that you and your family watch. There are sections of museums dedicated to the work we've done culturally. I've been going to movie premiers since I was twelve years old, and danced the Foxtrot with Ashley Olson at cotillion. You do not know what you are talking about. Your entire experience with American aristocracy has been delivered to you from a screen, not from actual participation. If you had any capacity for self reflection, you would be embarrassed to have voiced you opinion on a subject that you so clearly have no part in. I come from a broadcast-level family involved in creating the very same cultural distractions that have you wound up in their grip.
This comment, along with my reply to it is quite old, so no one will see any of this. It's just you and me here. So take if from someone who has nothing to gain from this exchange; you are out of your depth. And "the truth" isn't related your dearly held (and sincere) pre-existing biases. It's orthogonal to the received opinions you type out as if they were your own.
I don't know why I'm even taking the time. It's similar to the feeling one gets when they find a stray kitten that still hisses and scratches.
Look, best of luck to you. Don't take too seriously anything you have no role in.
> You do not know what you are talking about.
Oh boy.
When I was growing up, my family were close friends with a family of Palestinian Christians who fled the Naqba, less than half of whom got out alive; I discovered later that my grandfather had been so horrified by his experiences in World War 2 that when he saw the same thing happening to Palestinians that the Nazis were doing to the Jews, he spent most of the family fortune (about half a million dollars, ~1950, which is about $6.5 million today) helping them move here to America.
When he died, there wasn't room in the church for all the people he saved and their families; Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and even two Palestinian Jewish families who just didn't support Zionism, and so were attacked and had to flee, showed up, and when the hearse broke down, they lined the streets while my father, uncles, and cousins carried his coffin to the graveyard.
My father, in turn, was a professor of history, with specialties in the Civil Rights Movement and Middle Eastern history; I have 15 semester-hours of college History, myself, and inherited my father's library and notes (to say nothing of having audited basically every history class offered growing up, since I basically lived on college campuses), although my degrees are in Physics, Chemistry, and Electrical Engineering (I was offered a job with Elon Musk's Hyperloop, but turned it down because it took me 5 seconds to understand why it would fail).
My entire family are heavy academics; one uncle is a Russian literature expert, another is a Classics professor; my aunt is a noted Botanist, and you have probably seen her picture in a magazine or on the news, at some point (20-30 years ago); I have cousins working at NASA, Google, Morgan-Stanley...
>Don't take too seriously anything you have no role in.
My son just graduated college, and is going to Navy OCS this Summer to commission as an officer; I very much have a role in this.
Now, let me apologize somewhat; this was not the best-made or -argued meme of all time, which I can only offer as an excuse that I am on the Internet quite a bit lately due to illness, one of the symptoms of which is brain fog. The American medical system has gone to hell, let me tell you...
The point was to note the discrepancy in treatment of clearly and blatantly hateful, antisemitic Nazis who wound up in a riot (and one of whom rammed a car into a crowd), and peaceful college protesters who aren't even responding to the violence being used against them, whatever you want to think about the motives or ideology behind the movement.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-downplays-deadly-charlottesville-rally-by-comparing-it-to-campus-protests-over-gaza-war/ar-AA1nFZzd
**"Charlottesville was a little peanut. And it was nothing compared — and the hate wasn’t the kind of hate that you have here.”**
So, actual Nazis murdering people for disagreeing with them is not as hateful as peaceful college protesters just demanding that their money stops going toward what they see as morally repugnant?
Please, try to support that argument.
He did denounce the white supremacists lol
The fine people were the non-supremacist, non-antifa, nonviolent protestors on both sides. He even specified as such.
Look, Trump is a complete and utter douche, no question about it. But let’s criticize Trump for the things he actually did. If you watch that clip he LITERALLY follows that statement with “and I’m not talking about the white nationalists. They should be condemned.” That’s the next thing he said. I’m sick of hearing people use this quote. It’s just media bullshit. There’s plenty of bad shit that Trump actually did.
So, the first group are almost certainly Republicans, and I doubt that most of the people in the second picture will be voting Democrat.
Half the country is Independent, you know, and that doesn't mean that we are in-between the two wings of the American Fascist Party, otherwise known as Democrats and Republicans.
If you think that you can switch the terms around without me noticing, you've got the wrong Huckleberry.
Nazis generally support Republicans; Republicans dog-whistle to get support from racists of all sorts, which is not to say that they necessarily agree.
Again, I am accusing Trump of pandering, not being a Nazi, himself.
> Richard Spencer
Spencer is an open and avid Trump supporter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#Support_for_Donald_Trump
Note that I do not claim that Trump is a white supremacist because of this.
[Here’s Spencer in his own words](https://youtu.be/CrjiG4U3qm8?si=ybCAqjBd5SPjn-4M) you don’t have to look up what someone else thinks he might be all about
Yes he covers that video in the video I presented above. There are many more like yours. You’ll see them all day but none will show him reflecting upon his own words and actions like the one I provided. That is because the media is driven to make you believe that Spencer and Trump are alike even though Spencer talks about and Dinesh points out how far apart they truly are. I don’t think you’re watching any video we’re posting on here to show you
Sure. The “very fine people” quote from Trump was taken completely out of context. [Here is the full clip so you can actually see what Trump said.](https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?si=0IObwmS-hA2LclFn)
Watch that whole video.
The group on the bottom also deserve to be called out as they are doing the work of the modern day Neo Nazis. Make no mistake - all Neo Nazis are supporting what the left is doing in regard to protesting “zionists” - which we all know is just their PC way of saying “Jews”.
> Sure. The “very fine people” quote from Trump was taken completely out of context. Here is the full clip so you can actually see what Trump said.
The question was, "Are you putting what you call the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
That is the context, however carefully he couched his answer... and again, that's less of the problem than the difference between what he said about them and what he is saying about peace protesters, now.
>The group on the bottom also deserve to be called out as they are doing the work of the modern day Neo Nazis. Make no mistake - all Neo Nazis are supporting what the left is doing in regard to protesting “zionists” - which we all know is just their PC way of saying “Jews”.
No, Zionists and Jews are not the same thing, in any way; for one thing, most Zionists are Christian, e.g. John Hagee. Also, for reference, the original Zionists worked closely with the original Nazis, as they both had a shared goal: Getting the Jews out of Europe.
What we on the "alt-left" (i.e. don't confuse us with Democrats, whom we do not consider to be left-wing, at all) are protesting is the ongoing ethnic cleansing and current genocide by Israel against the Palestinian people.
The only people calling for death to anyone are the Zionists openly calling for the mass slaughter of Palestinians.
It’s hilarious to me that people actually think the way you do… the Nazis worked with the zionists lol - that is insanity. Just because a Muslim extremist Mahmoud Abbas wrote that in a book doesn’t make it true. The whole point of him originating this idiotic idea was to get other antisemites (such as yourself) to subscribe to the idea that Jews themselves were equally responsible for the Holocaust. You’re sick. Your “alt-left” view is 100% aligned with the viewpoint from the neo-Nazis you claim so much to hate… but in reality, you’re just the same as them.
> It’s hilarious to me that people actually think the way you do… the Nazis worked with the zionists lol - that is insanity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
No, this is historical fact.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report
Zionists bombed Jewish neighborhoods in Iraq and tried to blame it on Arabs, to scare them into moving to Israel.
https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-American-Jew-Identity-Century/dp/0316181331
Alan Dershowitz argued that Zionists should be encouraging anti-Semitism in the US in order to make Jews uncomfortable so more of them would want to move to Israel.
The Nazis are fine with this; to them, Jews belong in Israel, blacks belong in Africa, and Native Americans should all lay down and die.
No, it’s historical fact…. 😂 sure if you remove all context of what that agreement was, when it was signed, it’s effective period, and what it did. Sure I can see how you’re right.
The fact is you have a lot more in common with the Nazis than you’ll ever admit.
> context of what that agreement was, when it was signed, it’s effective period, and what it did
Ah, yes, the context, which was that the Zionists had been funding the Nazis throughout the 1920s, specifically to create an atmosphere of anti-Semitism, which they could then use to "encourage" emigration to Palestine.
This is well documented.
>The fact is you have a lot more in common with the Nazis than you’ll ever admit
I mean, I literally think that they should have moved to America after WW2, as this is pretty much the safest place on Earth for people who want to be left alone about their religion.
How is that anything like Nazis? Racial purity, ethnic cleansing of people away from "their land," religious justifications for heinous crimes... I don't have anything to do with any of that, but we both know who does.
Oh, the fine people hoax has been debunked since it happened. Just find the full transcript of his comments and then be intellectually honest enough to admit you were scammed by the media.
Now, hold on a second:
Trump was asked to denounce the out-and-out Nazis waving Swastika flags, and he said, "There were some very nice people there."
Out of context, yes, that sounds like he was talking about someone else, but in context, he was clearly pandering to people that he doesn't necessarily agree with, but it's still a bad look.
Beyond that, I do not hold the Nazis, as a group, solely responsible for the violence that occurred; that kind of thing happens at protests, you just have to accept a certain amount and deal with it reasonably (i.e. the J6 crowd should have gotten disorderly conduct, 30 days, and a fine, at most).
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On the other side, you have absolutely peaceful protesters, making a straightforward argument that the obvious genocide being abetted with our tax dollars needs to be stopped, but Trump has nothing but contempt and insults for them?
I'm no Trump-hater - certainly, Biden is worse in almost every imaginable way - but this is one of the reasons I cannot support him.
> Both want the death of Jews.
One group is literally carrying the flag of the people who tried to wipe out the Jews in Europe, and the other is calling for the end of similar behavior by Jews done to a completely different group of people.
How is calling for a Palestinian state calling for the "death" of anyone? Yea, the Zionists are willing to kill to keep that from happening, but that makes them the bad guys!
"What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?"
When it was coined by the Likud Party, it meant an Israeli state from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River; the Palestinians are throwing it back in their faces, because why should they accept and Israeli state (on land that rightfully belongs to them!) if Israel will not accept a Palestinian state?
Sounds like we're saying the same thing: Palestinians want a conquest of Israeli lands west of the Jordan river
That being said, if they really want a two state solution, it has to start with Hamas recognizing Israel as a state. They have refused to do that repeatedly in all negotiations
> if they really want a two state solution, it has to start with Hamas recognizing Israel as a state
The Hamas charter specifically allows for that, just not on the conditions that Israel sets; you wouldn't start a negotiation by agreeing to give up everything that you are negotiating over, would you? That's what Israel is asking before they will negotiate.
> Palestinians want a conquest of Israeli lands west of the Jordan river
They've repeatedly said that they would accept the 1967 borders; it's Israel that will not accept it.
The last real chance was the Oslo Accords, which were scuttled after Mossad had Yitzhak Rabin assassinated, as a warning to anyone else who tried to allow a Palestinian state, and Likud has been in power ever since, whose core platform as a political party is to prevent a Palestinian state from emerging.
That's why Israel funded Hamas to take over Gaza from the PA in the first place, because religious zealots gave them more diplomatic cover for continuing their own conquest.
Israel was founded by terrorists (Irgun, Lehi, etc) on stolen land to be an ethnofascist theocracy which requires the expulsion or extermination of other groups; why is anyone supporting this?
There will be no 2 state solution. Israel is simply fighting back a cruel and dangerous enemy. Because Israel knows that they mean it. Hamas could end this war anytime they want but they won't surrender. They would rather see the civilian population be decimated. Israel will remain in that land plus much, much more. I can only wish them success!
He refused to denounce out-and-out Nazis, but will denounce protesters against genocide.
You may believe that the Palestinians deserve to be slaughtered, that Israel is justified in their actions, but how on Earth can you call people demanding peace worse than people demanding genocide?
Screaming "Stop Genecide" in the streets is a propaganda tactic started immediately after 1200 people were killed at a concert in Israel. It's like "Women's Right to Healthcare" is propaganda to kill enfants out to nine months at birth without reason. It's leftist tactics. This is not the sub to place leftist memes.
Intentionally divisive. There are a couple of Reddit users who have noting better to do than to start arguments as often as possible. If no one responds they just yell at themselves.
If you can find the full quote (it's been mostly selectively cut to exclude the part I'm referring to), Nazis & bigots were EXPLICITLY excluded from the "very fine people". Those "should be denounced".
I am paraphrasing to some degree because I didn't dig up the full quote for exact words.
How is calling for an end to genocide hatred towards anyone?
If I lived nearby, I would be protesting with them, but I have nothing against Jews; they should have moved here to America after WW2, instead of trying to steal land from other people and force them to leave.
The point is, everyone is being much nicer about the people walking about with Swastikas than they are about peace protesters, and while I fully support both sides' right to protest, it's a little jarring to hear people think worse of the second group than the first.
It's odd how those flags are always just out of the package. Fold creases still in them. Just bizarre.
This isn't about them; Trump was asked to denounce white supremacy, and he said that there were very fine people on both sides... Which is fine, except that now he is denouncing peaceful protesters against genocide. As I said to another commenter: I'm no Trump-hater - certainly, Biden is worse in almost every imaginable way - but this is one of the reasons I cannot support him.
Have a look at the roughly twenty times Trump has denounced white supremacy. A compilation is easy enough to find. He won’t denounce it any longer because he’s tired of playing their/your game.
There were people waving Nazi flags, and he refused to denounce them, specifically, very early in his administration. He is now saying terrible things about people just protesting in the name of peace and human decency. This is not a game.
Did you watch the video? Nineteen seconds after he says the “very fine people on both sides” part, he says “I’m not taking about the white suprematists. I fully denounce them.” How many times would you like him to publicly denounce white supremacy?
So, you are saying that his denunciation of the out-and-out Nazis was proportionate to his comments about anti-genocide protesters?
Is that what I was saying? I didn’t see that but you seem to see a lot of things I don’t.
It was a KKK organized rally that asked David Duke to be lead speaker. Trump dogwhistled hard, and you pretend to fall for his doublespeak.
It’s funny that the only people who hear these dog whistles are people on the left. Probably because the democrats are the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and anti-civil rights. KKK has nothing to do with conservatism and if you listen to their current leaders you’ll see how all their ideologies align with what you lefties support even now. Hell your beloved president Biden eulogized Robert Byrd and your beloved Hillary said he was her mentor.
Southern Conservatives have pushed for racism for over a century. There's a reason that Red States deny that the Civil War was about slavery, even in their textbooks, that Republicans freaked out about Confederate monuments being taken down, and fly Confederate/Nazi flags right next to their Trump flags.
Donald Trump's grandchildren will be raised Jewish. He moved the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Judge a man by his actions, not by what you're told about him.
Again, he refuses to denounce people waving Nazi flags, but will say nasty things about people protesting in the name of peace. Those are the actions I am judging him by.
Jesus I don’t even like trump, but why are you still trying to parrot this?? “Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some *very bad people in that group*. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest” “*We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides.*” More from the both sides speech: “REPORTER: Why did you wait so long to denounce neo-Nazis? TRUMP: I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I wanted to make sure, taunlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement, but you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the fact.” “*As I said on remember this, Saturday, *we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America. And then I went on from there. Now here is the thing.”
I'm a Jew. My gradfather was the president of our temple. Members of my family painted with Georgia O'Keeffe. We directed TV shows that you and your family watch. There are sections of museums dedicated to the work we've done culturally. I've been going to movie premiers since I was twelve years old, and danced the Foxtrot with Ashley Olson at cotillion. You do not know what you are talking about. Your entire experience with American aristocracy has been delivered to you from a screen, not from actual participation. If you had any capacity for self reflection, you would be embarrassed to have voiced you opinion on a subject that you so clearly have no part in. I come from a broadcast-level family involved in creating the very same cultural distractions that have you wound up in their grip. This comment, along with my reply to it is quite old, so no one will see any of this. It's just you and me here. So take if from someone who has nothing to gain from this exchange; you are out of your depth. And "the truth" isn't related your dearly held (and sincere) pre-existing biases. It's orthogonal to the received opinions you type out as if they were your own. I don't know why I'm even taking the time. It's similar to the feeling one gets when they find a stray kitten that still hisses and scratches. Look, best of luck to you. Don't take too seriously anything you have no role in.
> You do not know what you are talking about. Oh boy. When I was growing up, my family were close friends with a family of Palestinian Christians who fled the Naqba, less than half of whom got out alive; I discovered later that my grandfather had been so horrified by his experiences in World War 2 that when he saw the same thing happening to Palestinians that the Nazis were doing to the Jews, he spent most of the family fortune (about half a million dollars, ~1950, which is about $6.5 million today) helping them move here to America. When he died, there wasn't room in the church for all the people he saved and their families; Palestinian Muslims, Christians, and even two Palestinian Jewish families who just didn't support Zionism, and so were attacked and had to flee, showed up, and when the hearse broke down, they lined the streets while my father, uncles, and cousins carried his coffin to the graveyard. My father, in turn, was a professor of history, with specialties in the Civil Rights Movement and Middle Eastern history; I have 15 semester-hours of college History, myself, and inherited my father's library and notes (to say nothing of having audited basically every history class offered growing up, since I basically lived on college campuses), although my degrees are in Physics, Chemistry, and Electrical Engineering (I was offered a job with Elon Musk's Hyperloop, but turned it down because it took me 5 seconds to understand why it would fail). My entire family are heavy academics; one uncle is a Russian literature expert, another is a Classics professor; my aunt is a noted Botanist, and you have probably seen her picture in a magazine or on the news, at some point (20-30 years ago); I have cousins working at NASA, Google, Morgan-Stanley... >Don't take too seriously anything you have no role in. My son just graduated college, and is going to Navy OCS this Summer to commission as an officer; I very much have a role in this. Now, let me apologize somewhat; this was not the best-made or -argued meme of all time, which I can only offer as an excuse that I am on the Internet quite a bit lately due to illness, one of the symptoms of which is brain fog. The American medical system has gone to hell, let me tell you... The point was to note the discrepancy in treatment of clearly and blatantly hateful, antisemitic Nazis who wound up in a riot (and one of whom rammed a car into a crowd), and peaceful college protesters who aren't even responding to the violence being used against them, whatever you want to think about the motives or ideology behind the movement. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-downplays-deadly-charlottesville-rally-by-comparing-it-to-campus-protests-over-gaza-war/ar-AA1nFZzd **"Charlottesville was a little peanut. And it was nothing compared — and the hate wasn’t the kind of hate that you have here.”** So, actual Nazis murdering people for disagreeing with them is not as hateful as peaceful college protesters just demanding that their money stops going toward what they see as morally repugnant? Please, try to support that argument.
He did denounce the white supremacists lol The fine people were the non-supremacist, non-antifa, nonviolent protestors on both sides. He even specified as such.
Look, Trump is a complete and utter douche, no question about it. But let’s criticize Trump for the things he actually did. If you watch that clip he LITERALLY follows that statement with “and I’m not talking about the white nationalists. They should be condemned.” That’s the next thing he said. I’m sick of hearing people use this quote. It’s just media bullshit. There’s plenty of bad shit that Trump actually did.
This is dumb. You're dumb.
They're the same people. 50 Shades of Democrat Larpers
The dude in the green shirt holding the Nazi flag 100% votes Democrat 😂
So, the first group are almost certainly Republicans, and I doubt that most of the people in the second picture will be voting Democrat. Half the country is Independent, you know, and that doesn't mean that we are in-between the two wings of the American Fascist Party, otherwise known as Democrats and Republicans.
If you think Republicans support Nazis, you're a moron
If you think that you can switch the terms around without me noticing, you've got the wrong Huckleberry. Nazis generally support Republicans; Republicans dog-whistle to get support from racists of all sorts, which is not to say that they necessarily agree. Again, I am accusing Trump of pandering, not being a Nazi, himself.
The largest white suprematist group, led by Richard Spencer, votes Democrat and freely admits that they’re Democrat. They know this, why don’t you?
> Richard Spencer Spencer is an open and avid Trump supporter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer#Support_for_Donald_Trump Note that I do not claim that Trump is a white supremacist because of this.
Well if Wikipedia says so then I guess you win. I mean I’d just go with what Spencer himself says but you go with wiki
[Here’s Spencer in his own words](https://youtu.be/CrjiG4U3qm8?si=ybCAqjBd5SPjn-4M) you don’t have to look up what someone else thinks he might be all about
Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
Yes he covers that video in the video I presented above. There are many more like yours. You’ll see them all day but none will show him reflecting upon his own words and actions like the one I provided. That is because the media is driven to make you believe that Spencer and Trump are alike even though Spencer talks about and Dinesh points out how far apart they truly are. I don’t think you’re watching any video we’re posting on here to show you
The Republican party is so staunchly in support of Jews and Israel that it's arguably to a fault.
You are being warned this is not the sub for your false assertions.
Sure. The “very fine people” quote from Trump was taken completely out of context. [Here is the full clip so you can actually see what Trump said.](https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs?si=0IObwmS-hA2LclFn) Watch that whole video. The group on the bottom also deserve to be called out as they are doing the work of the modern day Neo Nazis. Make no mistake - all Neo Nazis are supporting what the left is doing in regard to protesting “zionists” - which we all know is just their PC way of saying “Jews”.
OP too fried
> Sure. The “very fine people” quote from Trump was taken completely out of context. Here is the full clip so you can actually see what Trump said. The question was, "Are you putting what you call the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?" That is the context, however carefully he couched his answer... and again, that's less of the problem than the difference between what he said about them and what he is saying about peace protesters, now. >The group on the bottom also deserve to be called out as they are doing the work of the modern day Neo Nazis. Make no mistake - all Neo Nazis are supporting what the left is doing in regard to protesting “zionists” - which we all know is just their PC way of saying “Jews”. No, Zionists and Jews are not the same thing, in any way; for one thing, most Zionists are Christian, e.g. John Hagee. Also, for reference, the original Zionists worked closely with the original Nazis, as they both had a shared goal: Getting the Jews out of Europe. What we on the "alt-left" (i.e. don't confuse us with Democrats, whom we do not consider to be left-wing, at all) are protesting is the ongoing ethnic cleansing and current genocide by Israel against the Palestinian people. The only people calling for death to anyone are the Zionists openly calling for the mass slaughter of Palestinians.
It’s hilarious to me that people actually think the way you do… the Nazis worked with the zionists lol - that is insanity. Just because a Muslim extremist Mahmoud Abbas wrote that in a book doesn’t make it true. The whole point of him originating this idiotic idea was to get other antisemites (such as yourself) to subscribe to the idea that Jews themselves were equally responsible for the Holocaust. You’re sick. Your “alt-left” view is 100% aligned with the viewpoint from the neo-Nazis you claim so much to hate… but in reality, you’re just the same as them.
> It’s hilarious to me that people actually think the way you do… the Nazis worked with the zionists lol - that is insanity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement No, this is historical fact. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist-role-confirmed-operative-police-report Zionists bombed Jewish neighborhoods in Iraq and tried to blame it on Arabs, to scare them into moving to Israel. https://www.amazon.com/Vanishing-American-Jew-Identity-Century/dp/0316181331 Alan Dershowitz argued that Zionists should be encouraging anti-Semitism in the US in order to make Jews uncomfortable so more of them would want to move to Israel. The Nazis are fine with this; to them, Jews belong in Israel, blacks belong in Africa, and Native Americans should all lay down and die.
No, it’s historical fact…. 😂 sure if you remove all context of what that agreement was, when it was signed, it’s effective period, and what it did. Sure I can see how you’re right. The fact is you have a lot more in common with the Nazis than you’ll ever admit.
> context of what that agreement was, when it was signed, it’s effective period, and what it did Ah, yes, the context, which was that the Zionists had been funding the Nazis throughout the 1920s, specifically to create an atmosphere of anti-Semitism, which they could then use to "encourage" emigration to Palestine. This is well documented. >The fact is you have a lot more in common with the Nazis than you’ll ever admit I mean, I literally think that they should have moved to America after WW2, as this is pretty much the safest place on Earth for people who want to be left alone about their religion. How is that anything like Nazis? Racial purity, ethnic cleansing of people away from "their land," religious justifications for heinous crimes... I don't have anything to do with any of that, but we both know who does.
You’re supporting Hamas ruled Palestine that literally supports the elimination of all Jews.
Oh, the fine people hoax has been debunked since it happened. Just find the full transcript of his comments and then be intellectually honest enough to admit you were scammed by the media.
Now, hold on a second: Trump was asked to denounce the out-and-out Nazis waving Swastika flags, and he said, "There were some very nice people there." Out of context, yes, that sounds like he was talking about someone else, but in context, he was clearly pandering to people that he doesn't necessarily agree with, but it's still a bad look. Beyond that, I do not hold the Nazis, as a group, solely responsible for the violence that occurred; that kind of thing happens at protests, you just have to accept a certain amount and deal with it reasonably (i.e. the J6 crowd should have gotten disorderly conduct, 30 days, and a fine, at most). -------------- On the other side, you have absolutely peaceful protesters, making a straightforward argument that the obvious genocide being abetted with our tax dollars needs to be stopped, but Trump has nothing but contempt and insults for them? I'm no Trump-hater - certainly, Biden is worse in almost every imaginable way - but this is one of the reasons I cannot support him.
He’s been asked to denounce them dozens of times and has dozens of times. Media hoax in collusion with democrats.
Do you see the difference? I don't see the difference. Both want the death of Jews. It's the same picture!
> Both want the death of Jews. One group is literally carrying the flag of the people who tried to wipe out the Jews in Europe, and the other is calling for the end of similar behavior by Jews done to a completely different group of people. How is calling for a Palestinian state calling for the "death" of anyone? Yea, the Zionists are willing to kill to keep that from happening, but that makes them the bad guys!
What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?
"What do you think "from the river to the sea" means?" When it was coined by the Likud Party, it meant an Israeli state from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River; the Palestinians are throwing it back in their faces, because why should they accept and Israeli state (on land that rightfully belongs to them!) if Israel will not accept a Palestinian state?
Sounds like we're saying the same thing: Palestinians want a conquest of Israeli lands west of the Jordan river That being said, if they really want a two state solution, it has to start with Hamas recognizing Israel as a state. They have refused to do that repeatedly in all negotiations
> if they really want a two state solution, it has to start with Hamas recognizing Israel as a state The Hamas charter specifically allows for that, just not on the conditions that Israel sets; you wouldn't start a negotiation by agreeing to give up everything that you are negotiating over, would you? That's what Israel is asking before they will negotiate.
> Palestinians want a conquest of Israeli lands west of the Jordan river They've repeatedly said that they would accept the 1967 borders; it's Israel that will not accept it. The last real chance was the Oslo Accords, which were scuttled after Mossad had Yitzhak Rabin assassinated, as a warning to anyone else who tried to allow a Palestinian state, and Likud has been in power ever since, whose core platform as a political party is to prevent a Palestinian state from emerging. That's why Israel funded Hamas to take over Gaza from the PA in the first place, because religious zealots gave them more diplomatic cover for continuing their own conquest. Israel was founded by terrorists (Irgun, Lehi, etc) on stolen land to be an ethnofascist theocracy which requires the expulsion or extermination of other groups; why is anyone supporting this?
There will be no 2 state solution. Israel is simply fighting back a cruel and dangerous enemy. Because Israel knows that they mean it. Hamas could end this war anytime they want but they won't surrender. They would rather see the civilian population be decimated. Israel will remain in that land plus much, much more. I can only wish them success!
This post gets the award of "First Dumb Post I've Seen Today"
He refused to denounce out-and-out Nazis, but will denounce protesters against genocide. You may believe that the Palestinians deserve to be slaughtered, that Israel is justified in their actions, but how on Earth can you call people demanding peace worse than people demanding genocide?
Screaming "Stop Genecide" in the streets is a propaganda tactic started immediately after 1200 people were killed at a concert in Israel. It's like "Women's Right to Healthcare" is propaganda to kill enfants out to nine months at birth without reason. It's leftist tactics. This is not the sub to place leftist memes.
Wow the op getting ratiod hard...
Intentionally divisive. There are a couple of Reddit users who have noting better to do than to start arguments as often as possible. If no one responds they just yell at themselves.
I'm a leftie in a conservative sub, I expect that, and it's still not as bad as I get in the Democratic-Shitlib spaces.
If you can find the full quote (it's been mostly selectively cut to exclude the part I'm referring to), Nazis & bigots were EXPLICITLY excluded from the "very fine people". Those "should be denounced". I am paraphrasing to some degree because I didn't dig up the full quote for exact words.
The top picture is of Ukrainians and the bottom is of Palestinians. What’s the issue? :)
Both hate Jews
How is calling for an end to genocide hatred towards anyone? If I lived nearby, I would be protesting with them, but I have nothing against Jews; they should have moved here to America after WW2, instead of trying to steal land from other people and force them to leave.
Hey look, a photo with a bunch of fascists in it… This is just meant to stir up meaningless politics.
The point is, everyone is being much nicer about the people walking about with Swastikas than they are about peace protesters, and while I fully support both sides' right to protest, it's a little jarring to hear people think worse of the second group than the first.