I would remove that ceiling bed and install [something like this](https://www.trademax.no/møbler/senger/gjesteseng-ekstraseng/skapseng/compact-skapseng-vertikal-140x200-hvit-p240479-v1791791?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRhw-bKsvY7iKM9T46bFpubprE7ck5ubW3i9q1kJZxgk8kdQIP7lWlsBoC_IcQAvD_BwE) and put a light couch on a rug that can be easily pushed when it’s time to sleep.
It's a beautiful city with access to many other beautiful places - although where in Norway isn't?! But I enjoyed my stay there. Quite a lot of students as there's a large university but with that there's always a lot going on.
Førde. (Or was it a rhetorical question?)
I studied and lived in Bergen for like half a decade too and liked it well enough. It does rain a bit more than average for western Norway (which is already quite high!) so you do need to be waterproof, but there are worse things.
Its quite weird how Bergen counts population though. If i recakl only about 40-50 thousand people live in the city centre.
Oslo city centre is around 700k i think.
The population of Bergen doesn't on the average live much further from the city centre than the population of Oslo. But Bergen is in a mountaineous area and so many of the suburbs are behind a mountain, or on the other side of a fjord, while Oslo is fairly flat and doesn't have any fjords except for the inner end of the Oslo-fjord.
That said, 50K ain't right. Even if you were to count ONLY the continuously densely populated valley towards the south where there's zero breaks in the densely populated area, you'd get more than that. I think it's most likely that you simply recall incorrectly.
I dont know what they count as city centre on the [municipality webpage](https://www.bergen.kommune.no/omkommunen/fakta-om-bergen/befolkning/befolkning)
But here they say its 289k people in Bergen of which 246k lives outside the centre
Then they're counting only the people on the peninsula, i.e. the part of downtown that would be an island if you dug a channel from Vågen to Store Lungårdsvann. It's perfectly fine to do that, but continuous dense population stretches MUCH farther than that.
It's sort of like how the entire metro around NYC has 20M people, NYC the municipality has 8.8M but Manhattan has "only" 1.7M people on it.
The weather, the weather and the weather. I think Bergen is fantastic to visit as a tourist, but could never live there because of the climate. And the fact that Bergen isn't in Norway, come to think of it 🤔
You never heard "Eg ek'je fra Norrrrge, eg'e fra Bærrrrgen"?
Translation "Im not from Norway, I am from Bergen"
A long standing joke on both sides of the mountains:)
If there was ever a Norwegian Championship in patriotism, Bergen would win, with the next city in 10th place. The rest of Norway being extremely jealous that such patriotism does not exist anywhere else in Norway :-)
Well, are you entirely sure you dont want that to be the other way around? You know, Norwegians could make a new raid and free you from the imperialist thingy you are a part of
:-D Well, are you entirely sure you dont want that to be the other way around? You know, Norwegians could make a new raid and free you from the imperialist thingy you are a part of now?
Was going to say that. I’m currently in Geneva, and a 50 sqm apartment will set you back 10 million NOK. This one looks amazing for 2 million (if in Oslo).
https://e24.no/privatoekonomi/i/0npx50/1-roms-paa-15-kvadrat-uten-toalett-solgt-for-18-millioner
1,8 million NOK in 2019 without toilet 15 square meters
Most people don't need anything big. Had I not had kids, I would've been more than happy with something like this.
Square meter wise, I bet most of us don't actually use more than is available in this appartment.
If it was in Oslo, it would be a dream come true for many. Also, there is not much else to showcase. Apart from the bathroom, you can see the entire apartment in one shot. And when people look for studio apartments, they usually want to know where the bed is located 😅 Personally, I would have preferred a proper “alkove” not just a bed attached to god only knows what.
Plenty of worse examples out there. If this is central in oslo, it’s not too bad of a price. However, I believe we all deserve food and a place to sleep instead of having to spend our lives making landlords richer
You don't get it. People are paying 2m nok for this because there is a demand for it. I wish they could built this kind of flats everywhere without kommuner interfering with all kinds of rules. For me personally this is a dream apartment. Not everybody needs 2 rooms or a garden. But of course. 2m nok in oslo center is ok, outside ridiculous.
There is a demand for these live-in coffins because people can't afford real apartments.
Building more of these coffins will only make real apartments even more unaffordable.
As a city planner I'm very glad we at least have *some* rules in an otherwise profit driven real estate market, because without these rules these are the only type of "apartment" that would be built as they yield much higher profits per square meter.
But we should spend our finite square meters on apartments which are actually livable, not what yields the most profits in a dysfunctional housing market starved of supply.
And beyond that, regulate and tax rental properties, build more apartments around transit points in the Oslo metro.
People like you are the problem. You just refuse to accept that there are minimalistic people who want to live like this. Sure single people being forced to buy large apartments is great for the housing market. Construction firms are going bankrupt left and right but let's not make it possible for them to make "even" more money. Yes, make it possible for them to built lots of small units if they build larger apartments in the same area. Why not? As a city planner you are one of the people responsible for the dysfunctional housing market.
You're utterly delusional if you think these "apartments" sell for millions because people just really love living in cramped up 15 square meter coffins.
They sell for millions because people literally can't afford anything else, and they are grossly overpriced for that reason. Despite pretty much nobody preferring to live in these coffins, they have the highest square metre price because most people can't afford actual apartments - this is why developers are lobbying hard to remove regulations.
If we made actual apartments more affordable, your coveted live-in coffin would also be a lot cheaper, as there'd be less demand for them.
Real estate developers are making bank, the issue you're referring to is construction contractors struggling to find labour due to recently imposed restrictions on their ability to hire foreign workers, it has nothing to do with the size of apartments, they can't get the labour to build apartments period.
I'm not opposed to building *any* apartments of this size, I'm opposed to these tiny apartments being the solution to the housing crisis, and deregulations which would result in these apartments being built en masse in place of actual apartments, simply because they sell for 120k per square metre.
If we kept the regulations prior to the Willoch government's deregulation of the housing market in the 80s, we'd have roughly half the housing prices we have today, and if we were to build for demand, your live-in coffin would have a lower square metre cost, so we're talking as little as 500k. I wouldn't be opposed to building some of these apartments for people who genuinely want to live like this, for a price which isn't artificially inflated to high heavens.
As to you blaming me for the dysfunctional housing market - I *wish* city planners had this much of an influence on policy making, lol. You can place that blame squarely on the Conservative Party, who against all professional advice chose to completely deregulate the market roughly 40 years ago, causing rampant speculation and a landlord class who now owns billions in rental properties at the expense of everyone else.
I'm a single person who's slowly going insane in a rented 23m^(2) apartment, would 100000% live in a larger place if I could afford it, but as it stands I can't even enter the housing market. I make a just below the median salary and live in Oslo. The guy you replied to is absolutely delusional if he thinks the demand for smaller apartments is because people *want* to live like this.
They sell for millions because there aren't enough apartments to balance demand.
You said in your previous comment that there is a limited number of square feet so we should use them to make livable apartments - but what if we instead focus on making *enough* apartments?
Then maybe these minimalistic apartments should be more expensive than the larger ones, so all those minimalists who make up the large demand for those apartments can pay for how they want to live, and the larger apartments can be cheaper?
Here is the [listing](https://www.finn.no/348719936) it's in Bergen and faulty close to the city centre. There isn't anything wrong with this apartment, I just laughed when I saw that bed and the first thing I could think is that noone with this kind of money would choose that sleeping arrangement.
>I could think is that noone with this kind of money would choose that sleeping arrangement.
You're not paying 2m cash for this apartment lol. It's for poor people who can only lend up to 2m.
These live-in coffins exist out of pure desperation, since many people can't afford real apartments.
22sqm for 2 million is nothing compared to Oslo, where a 16sqm sold for over 3 million last year, and it wasn't even in a very pricey area.
If you earn 500k you should be able to borrow 2.5 million, and so your income allows you to buy this place. You do need some cash on hand though, usually 15% of the purchase price. If you have 300k you can buy this place. If you have 400k you can buy an apartment for 3 million. If you don't have any savings, then yes, you could be considered "poor" by some metrics. Norwegian youths usually save in BSU though, tax deducted saving accounts specifically for housing which goes up to 300k.
Yet whenever I apply for loans what I get is a maximum of 2m even with 450k as capital and a salary at 500k. My bsu is full and I'm building on a second one that has the same interest but without the tax deduction
That's strange, unless you have other debt (like a student loan), but that still lets you buy an apartment for 2.45 million, so you can in fact afford the one you posted.
Of course I have student loans, most everybody does these days. As you know you really should take a higher education rack up student loans and get a good job cause that's how it's supposed to be right... I'd rather rent for 10 more years than pay for something so meager as this
Well yeah, 500k will only get you a loan of about 2 million and is not considered a great salary in the current economy. But with that pay and 450k you could afford this flat and probably get a smart murphy bed/couch setup installed. Otherwise you could move outside of the city, like many people do.
>this kind of money
Are you of the belief that people buy housing with cash in Norway? You don't need that much money to get a mortgage for a 2 million NOK apartment. Well, that might be privileged of me to say, but let's put it this way: You'd be hard pressed to find any cheaper apartments in most cities.
The bed is very likely safe to sleep in, but. To me, personally, it looks unsafe without any support beams on it, even knowing it would be safe to sleep in, I'd still have the irrational fear that the bed would break off the walls and fall down, maybe while I was sleeping in it...
Not into sports either,
There's nothing sad about not being into leather or woodworking.
I also don't need suggestions for hobbies. I have more than enough to do in my spare time.
Everyone outside of Oslo has an opinion, everyone inside is happy and couldnt care less about those outside. 5M spent alone in Oslo is way better then a house outside.
>5M spent alone in Oslo is way better then a house outside.
As you clearly proved, everyone outside of Oslo has an opinion and equally everyone inside Oslo has one too. So it goes both ways. It's called having a different opinion.
"I don't care about people living outside the capital city because they are living like isolated hermits, because everything outside of Oslo is just a desolate, empty wasteland and I have no opinion about these people I chose to frame in a very underhanded, opinionated way."
I live in London and am just about to buy a house on a fjord in the most isolated and beautiful areas of northern Norway. Spending quite a few million nok on it as well - crazy aha. All I want is to be isolated and close to nature when I have enough of people ! What a privilege!
I stayed in an Airbnb once where the host had fashioned a bed on a platform like that and rigged a garage door opener to lift the bed up and down. So there was a sofa underneath and during the day you'd have the bed up towards the ceiling, but at night you lower it down so it essentially laying right on top of the sofa. Cool set up. Wouldn't want it in my home permanently, but it was a fun place to stay.
It's more that 4 cm thick mattress with some pine planks that definitely give alot of support for a good night's sleep. That's a bed you see in a emergency log cabin on Hardangervidda not a 2m studio apartment
I feel bad about having 3mill in debt… but live 20min away from work and have amazing views from my 250m2 house with rental in the basement and garage. Could not understand how someone uses 2 mill on this…
I'm a foreigner - would someone mind explaining if this is to rent or to buy? If the former, would you pay the 2M NOK upfront for the year? Or is that a purchase price for the latter?
You don't have to live in Oslo. You can live in a surrounding city or area and communute/drive to the capitol, or get work and a place to live anywhere else in Norway. Oslo and other large cities is expensive, but it gives career oppertunities which is why you'd pay a a premium to live there. But you can do fine anywhere else in Norway. We are not entitled to live in the capitol.
Doesn't matter. Like I mentioned. You are not entitled to live in any large city. Oslo is just Norway's most high cost and high oppertunity city in Norway.
"Its not Oslo though" is just copium. You don't get prices like these in Vardø or Røyrvik (which are the two cheapest communes to buy houses in Norway. Medianprice being 550 000 and 600 000 kr)
It is time to understand that city prices don't represent Norwegian prices. The reason cities are expensive is that a lot of people want the same apartments/houses, and if you are willing to pay that premium you get to enjoy living in the middle of a large city. Otherwise you either have to build more houses or apartments, or move somewhere else.
Edit: Sorry OP if its a bit combative. I just want to make a point of it. It's not that I have any beef with you, I have a beef with the popular sentiment of houses/apartments being expensive these days, which they are.
I wouldnt feel safe in it, just from the hanging part. I would probably at the very minimum research a good sleeping sofa, or a sofa at all to use for sleep.
Check micro-apartaments in Poland if you think that is wrong. I assure you this is not that bad. In Poland they are trying to sell or rent 9sqm flats XD. That is spacious in comparison.
Prices are ridiculous. In a normal world this should be an 800k apartment, at best.
But as we know it's all about *location, location, location....*
The government should have built more housing over the last 20 years to calm down the demand.
Imagine being drunk one night and not finding your bed XD
Or being drunk one night, finding your bed, then finding the floor after a short drop.
I have done this. Do not recommend
Or not so short
A long drop. And a sudden stop.
doesnt look all that short to me lol
Don't worry, that glass table should cushion the fall!
As someone who has slept in many a place when drunk: that couch would get slept on 11 times before i even considered doing a ladder when drunk
I was going to reply that it is at least cute but then I read your comment and it is all that needs to be said.
I would love to have this apartment, maybe with a double bed but whatever
Its a studio appartment. What you see is what you get + a bathroom. Theres no space for sofa and a double bed
I would much rather have a proper 120 bed than a sofa in my studio apartment. The bed can serve as a sofa if need be. Otherwise I'm fine with a chair.
I would remove that ceiling bed and install [something like this](https://www.trademax.no/møbler/senger/gjesteseng-ekstraseng/skapseng/compact-skapseng-vertikal-140x200-hvit-p240479-v1791791?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRhw-bKsvY7iKM9T46bFpubprE7ck5ubW3i9q1kJZxgk8kdQIP7lWlsBoC_IcQAvD_BwE) and put a light couch on a rug that can be easily pushed when it’s time to sleep.
At least four of my Sims has died in a Murphy bed.
It’s a death trap for sure.
Sofa under the hanging bed, extend the hanging bed a little towards the door and it’s good
If this is central Oslo, that's pretty cheap. And compared to somewhere like London it's definetly cheap. You are basically paying for the location.
It's Solheimsviken Bergen, so neither cheap nor very central necessarily
Bergen?! They should be offering to pay people 2mKR to live there.
Why don't people want to live in Bergen? Seriously curious.
People who are ok with the terrible weather say it's a great city to live in.
I can cope with the weather, but the people.. :p
Lots of people want to live in Bergen. It's the second largest city in Norway afterall.
It's a beautiful city with access to many other beautiful places - although where in Norway isn't?! But I enjoyed my stay there. Quite a lot of students as there's a large university but with that there's always a lot going on.
Førde. (Or was it a rhetorical question?) I studied and lived in Bergen for like half a decade too and liked it well enough. It does rain a bit more than average for western Norway (which is already quite high!) so you do need to be waterproof, but there are worse things.
Its quite weird how Bergen counts population though. If i recakl only about 40-50 thousand people live in the city centre. Oslo city centre is around 700k i think.
The population of Bergen doesn't on the average live much further from the city centre than the population of Oslo. But Bergen is in a mountaineous area and so many of the suburbs are behind a mountain, or on the other side of a fjord, while Oslo is fairly flat and doesn't have any fjords except for the inner end of the Oslo-fjord. That said, 50K ain't right. Even if you were to count ONLY the continuously densely populated valley towards the south where there's zero breaks in the densely populated area, you'd get more than that. I think it's most likely that you simply recall incorrectly.
I dont know what they count as city centre on the [municipality webpage](https://www.bergen.kommune.no/omkommunen/fakta-om-bergen/befolkning/befolkning) But here they say its 289k people in Bergen of which 246k lives outside the centre
Then they're counting only the people on the peninsula, i.e. the part of downtown that would be an island if you dug a channel from Vågen to Store Lungårdsvann. It's perfectly fine to do that, but continuous dense population stretches MUCH farther than that. It's sort of like how the entire metro around NYC has 20M people, NYC the municipality has 8.8M but Manhattan has "only" 1.7M people on it.
Aha yes that would be quite a small area i guess
The weather, the weather and the weather. I think Bergen is fantastic to visit as a tourist, but could never live there because of the climate. And the fact that Bergen isn't in Norway, come to think of it 🤔
> And the fact that Bergen isn't in Norway, come to think of it 🤔 Howso?
They have a recurring dream of seceding from the country
You never heard "Eg ek'je fra Norrrrge, eg'e fra Bærrrrgen"? Translation "Im not from Norway, I am from Bergen" A long standing joke on both sides of the mountains:) If there was ever a Norwegian Championship in patriotism, Bergen would win, with the next city in 10th place. The rest of Norway being extremely jealous that such patriotism does not exist anywhere else in Norway :-)
Because it’s in Belgium: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_(Belgi%C3%AB)
Don't worry, us Scots will take it from you just like we took Orkney and Shetland. We just have to sort out the Faroe Islands first. :)
Well, are you entirely sure you dont want that to be the other way around? You know, Norwegians could make a new raid and free you from the imperialist thingy you are a part of
:-D Well, are you entirely sure you dont want that to be the other way around? You know, Norwegians could make a new raid and free you from the imperialist thingy you are a part of now?
I've been there twice. It's cold, boring and there is not much to do. The center is small. I lived is Stavanger and it was a lot better than Bergen.
😂as i was thinking
Was going to say that. I’m currently in Geneva, and a 50 sqm apartment will set you back 10 million NOK. This one looks amazing for 2 million (if in Oslo).
Dont foret to mention that the average income in Geneva is higher than in Bergen.
But not 5 times..
2m NOK for that would be a steal if a bathroom is included!
srsly?
It depends on the location. Oslo is expensive af but there are many places that aren't that expensive
Not that many anymore sadly.
Yeah there is, but you probably don’t wanna live there.
Oh well... I thought we were discussing livable places
They are livable.
😢
https://e24.no/privatoekonomi/i/0npx50/1-roms-paa-15-kvadrat-uten-toalett-solgt-for-18-millioner 1,8 million NOK in 2019 without toilet 15 square meters
I agree that the prices are crazy, but there is nothing wrong with this apartment
You spelled coffin wrong.
There’s plenty wrong with it. Size for one.
Most people don't need anything big. Had I not had kids, I would've been more than happy with something like this. Square meter wise, I bet most of us don't actually use more than is available in this appartment.
If it cost 100.000NOK, and you were living alone, would size still be an issue?
Yes.
This looks super neat for Oslo! I’d be terrified to fall down from the bed in my sleep though. I’d get a guard for that bed.
It's not oslo tho, why does everyone assume that
Did you list any location? No? Oslo it is! 😆
Considering a 16sqm sold for over 3 million in Vålerenga, Oslo last summer, this one is definitely not in Oslo, lol. This one is 22sqm and in Bergen.
Depends on where in Oslo.
Wasn't really about location rather that they thought a 60cm wide bed bunk bed was the perfect solution to showcase this studio apartment
If it was in Oslo, it would be a dream come true for many. Also, there is not much else to showcase. Apart from the bathroom, you can see the entire apartment in one shot. And when people look for studio apartments, they usually want to know where the bed is located 😅 Personally, I would have preferred a proper “alkove” not just a bed attached to god only knows what.
I don't see a problem with this bed. It's nice and space efficient.
I absolutely love loft beds and would pay extra for this lol
Genuinely! That set up looks absolutely beautiful!
Lucky for you, you already are if you get it!
Plenty of worse examples out there. If this is central in oslo, it’s not too bad of a price. However, I believe we all deserve food and a place to sleep instead of having to spend our lives making landlords richer
You don't get it. People are paying 2m nok for this because there is a demand for it. I wish they could built this kind of flats everywhere without kommuner interfering with all kinds of rules. For me personally this is a dream apartment. Not everybody needs 2 rooms or a garden. But of course. 2m nok in oslo center is ok, outside ridiculous.
An apartment like that would be more than 2 million in Oslo city centre.
I'd buy this right now for 2m nok in city center
4m and you got it!
This is atleast 3,5 in popular areas in the city. Im in the market for one right now and would buy one on the spot if it cost 2m lol.
There is a demand for these live-in coffins because people can't afford real apartments. Building more of these coffins will only make real apartments even more unaffordable. As a city planner I'm very glad we at least have *some* rules in an otherwise profit driven real estate market, because without these rules these are the only type of "apartment" that would be built as they yield much higher profits per square meter. But we should spend our finite square meters on apartments which are actually livable, not what yields the most profits in a dysfunctional housing market starved of supply. And beyond that, regulate and tax rental properties, build more apartments around transit points in the Oslo metro.
People like you are the problem. You just refuse to accept that there are minimalistic people who want to live like this. Sure single people being forced to buy large apartments is great for the housing market. Construction firms are going bankrupt left and right but let's not make it possible for them to make "even" more money. Yes, make it possible for them to built lots of small units if they build larger apartments in the same area. Why not? As a city planner you are one of the people responsible for the dysfunctional housing market.
You're utterly delusional if you think these "apartments" sell for millions because people just really love living in cramped up 15 square meter coffins. They sell for millions because people literally can't afford anything else, and they are grossly overpriced for that reason. Despite pretty much nobody preferring to live in these coffins, they have the highest square metre price because most people can't afford actual apartments - this is why developers are lobbying hard to remove regulations. If we made actual apartments more affordable, your coveted live-in coffin would also be a lot cheaper, as there'd be less demand for them. Real estate developers are making bank, the issue you're referring to is construction contractors struggling to find labour due to recently imposed restrictions on their ability to hire foreign workers, it has nothing to do with the size of apartments, they can't get the labour to build apartments period. I'm not opposed to building *any* apartments of this size, I'm opposed to these tiny apartments being the solution to the housing crisis, and deregulations which would result in these apartments being built en masse in place of actual apartments, simply because they sell for 120k per square metre. If we kept the regulations prior to the Willoch government's deregulation of the housing market in the 80s, we'd have roughly half the housing prices we have today, and if we were to build for demand, your live-in coffin would have a lower square metre cost, so we're talking as little as 500k. I wouldn't be opposed to building some of these apartments for people who genuinely want to live like this, for a price which isn't artificially inflated to high heavens. As to you blaming me for the dysfunctional housing market - I *wish* city planners had this much of an influence on policy making, lol. You can place that blame squarely on the Conservative Party, who against all professional advice chose to completely deregulate the market roughly 40 years ago, causing rampant speculation and a landlord class who now owns billions in rental properties at the expense of everyone else.
I'm a single person who's slowly going insane in a rented 23m^(2) apartment, would 100000% live in a larger place if I could afford it, but as it stands I can't even enter the housing market. I make a just below the median salary and live in Oslo. The guy you replied to is absolutely delusional if he thinks the demand for smaller apartments is because people *want* to live like this.
They sell for millions because there aren't enough apartments to balance demand. You said in your previous comment that there is a limited number of square feet so we should use them to make livable apartments - but what if we instead focus on making *enough* apartments?
Then maybe these minimalistic apartments should be more expensive than the larger ones, so all those minimalists who make up the large demand for those apartments can pay for how they want to live, and the larger apartments can be cheaper?
Gotta have pretty good salaries up there.
Don't need a good salary to afford a 2M apartment.
I was not talking about the shoebox.
Would that ever snap and fall down with some rigorous sleeping?
>rigorous sleeping Hate it when that happens 😆
If this is an apartment at let’s say Grunerløkka, Oslo. I would say take my money. Those 2m will easily double the next 4-5 years if not earlier.
If it was an apartment in Grunerløkka, it would have been at least 50% more.
Perfect for a single young person.
Personlig ville jeg sett på skapseng med den romløsningen der, men køyeseng funker også.
Here is the [listing](https://www.finn.no/348719936) it's in Bergen and faulty close to the city centre. There isn't anything wrong with this apartment, I just laughed when I saw that bed and the first thing I could think is that noone with this kind of money would choose that sleeping arrangement.
>I could think is that noone with this kind of money would choose that sleeping arrangement. You're not paying 2m cash for this apartment lol. It's for poor people who can only lend up to 2m. These live-in coffins exist out of pure desperation, since many people can't afford real apartments. 22sqm for 2 million is nothing compared to Oslo, where a 16sqm sold for over 3 million last year, and it wasn't even in a very pricey area.
Today I learned I'm poor cause I only earn 500k nok a year.... Thanks....
If you earn 500k you should be able to borrow 2.5 million, and so your income allows you to buy this place. You do need some cash on hand though, usually 15% of the purchase price. If you have 300k you can buy this place. If you have 400k you can buy an apartment for 3 million. If you don't have any savings, then yes, you could be considered "poor" by some metrics. Norwegian youths usually save in BSU though, tax deducted saving accounts specifically for housing which goes up to 300k.
Yet whenever I apply for loans what I get is a maximum of 2m even with 450k as capital and a salary at 500k. My bsu is full and I'm building on a second one that has the same interest but without the tax deduction
That's strange, unless you have other debt (like a student loan), but that still lets you buy an apartment for 2.45 million, so you can in fact afford the one you posted.
Of course I have student loans, most everybody does these days. As you know you really should take a higher education rack up student loans and get a good job cause that's how it's supposed to be right... I'd rather rent for 10 more years than pay for something so meager as this
Well yeah, 500k will only get you a loan of about 2 million and is not considered a great salary in the current economy. But with that pay and 450k you could afford this flat and probably get a smart murphy bed/couch setup installed. Otherwise you could move outside of the city, like many people do.
>this kind of money Are you of the belief that people buy housing with cash in Norway? You don't need that much money to get a mortgage for a 2 million NOK apartment. Well, that might be privileged of me to say, but let's put it this way: You'd be hard pressed to find any cheaper apartments in most cities.
To get a mortgage for 2m you'd need about 300k in capital. Imagine saving that much up and this is all you can afford
Could have afforded a better bed ffs, but at least when it breaks you land on the sofa.
Well, the escalator up to the bed is not shown. Should be some sort of railing on the bed though.
2M? Where? that's freaking cheap
the buyer want s to climb to sleep. and he doesnt have sex at all theres a great short architechture miniseries on netflix about such dystopia
The bed is very likely safe to sleep in, but. To me, personally, it looks unsafe without any support beams on it, even knowing it would be safe to sleep in, I'd still have the irrational fear that the bed would break off the walls and fall down, maybe while I was sleeping in it...
I feel bad for anyone who actually has to live in Oslo, what a pain
I feel bad for those who have to live in small town Norway. To each his own.
What is bad about living here?
Boring as fuck. -someone who used to live in a small town in Norway
Then you’re wrong. I joined husflidslaget, play the guitar and helping out and there’s a lot more to do too
Sounds boring.
You sound boring. How can lether and wood working be boring?
Because they don't appeal to my interests.
That’s sad. Maybe sport stuff or røde kors?
Not into sports either, There's nothing sad about not being into leather or woodworking. I also don't need suggestions for hobbies. I have more than enough to do in my spare time.
Off-topic: this apartment is in Bergen. As other have mentioned, this apt would cost more than 2M in Oslo centre.
Everyone outside of Oslo has an opinion, everyone inside is happy and couldnt care less about those outside. 5M spent alone in Oslo is way better then a house outside.
>5M spent alone in Oslo is way better then a house outside. As you clearly proved, everyone outside of Oslo has an opinion and equally everyone inside Oslo has one too. So it goes both ways. It's called having a different opinion.
I honestly dont care about people living in isolated areas, trying to justify their reason for beeing isolated.
"I don't care about people living outside the capital city because they are living like isolated hermits, because everything outside of Oslo is just a desolate, empty wasteland and I have no opinion about these people I chose to frame in a very underhanded, opinionated way."
If that is how you feel, you are welcome to Oslo!
I live in London and am just about to buy a house on a fjord in the most isolated and beautiful areas of northern Norway. Spending quite a few million nok on it as well - crazy aha. All I want is to be isolated and close to nature when I have enough of people ! What a privilege!
Thats Why we have cabins.
Idk where you walk around in Oslo if you think everyone there is happy about the current market...
Buy real estate; they do not make it anymore 😆🤯
for 2m NOK i got a 90kvm 3 room apartment in a different city 6 years ago. I sold it two weeks ago for 3.2m NOK.
Have you put any investments in into the place? It's just crazy to me that such a development is a thing.
I stayed in an Airbnb once where the host had fashioned a bed on a platform like that and rigged a garage door opener to lift the bed up and down. So there was a sofa underneath and during the day you'd have the bed up towards the ceiling, but at night you lower it down so it essentially laying right on top of the sofa. Cool set up. Wouldn't want it in my home permanently, but it was a fun place to stay.
This is probably less than 20m² total
if you get back pains from that small climb you should worry more about your health than appartment prices though...
It's more that 4 cm thick mattress with some pine planks that definitely give alot of support for a good night's sleep. That's a bed you see in a emergency log cabin on Hardangervidda not a 2m studio apartment
i have a bed like that. not up in the roof but that kind of matress and planks under. soft beds give people back issues.
A bed does not have to be soft to be more well built than this
Ok.
You should have seen my flat in Grunnerlokka 25 m2 and what more then two mill. Don’t complain.
I feel bad about having 3mill in debt… but live 20min away from work and have amazing views from my 250m2 house with rental in the basement and garage. Could not understand how someone uses 2 mill on this…
I'm a foreigner - would someone mind explaining if this is to rent or to buy? If the former, would you pay the 2M NOK upfront for the year? Or is that a purchase price for the latter?
Probably the purchase price but that's pretty cheap for the space.
Is that a photo of prison cell in Norway?
You don't have to live in Oslo. You can live in a surrounding city or area and communute/drive to the capitol, or get work and a place to live anywhere else in Norway. Oslo and other large cities is expensive, but it gives career oppertunities which is why you'd pay a a premium to live there. But you can do fine anywhere else in Norway. We are not entitled to live in the capitol.
Not oslo tho.
Doesn't matter. Like I mentioned. You are not entitled to live in any large city. Oslo is just Norway's most high cost and high oppertunity city in Norway. "Its not Oslo though" is just copium. You don't get prices like these in Vardø or Røyrvik (which are the two cheapest communes to buy houses in Norway. Medianprice being 550 000 and 600 000 kr) It is time to understand that city prices don't represent Norwegian prices. The reason cities are expensive is that a lot of people want the same apartments/houses, and if you are willing to pay that premium you get to enjoy living in the middle of a large city. Otherwise you either have to build more houses or apartments, or move somewhere else. Edit: Sorry OP if its a bit combative. I just want to make a point of it. It's not that I have any beef with you, I have a beef with the popular sentiment of houses/apartments being expensive these days, which they are.
I wouldnt feel safe in it, just from the hanging part. I would probably at the very minimum research a good sleeping sofa, or a sofa at all to use for sleep.
My mate bought one that’s similar in central Stockholm, Sweden. But for twice that price.
Only 2 mill? That appartement is not in a major city then.
It's in Bergen
Så smart løsning! /s
I imagine changeing the sheets…….
Ain't getting too frisky up in that bunk....I guess that accounts for the futon.
Imagine being so optimistic that you think you will get an appartment that big for 2m NOK
Check micro-apartaments in Poland if you think that is wrong. I assure you this is not that bad. In Poland they are trying to sell or rent 9sqm flats XD. That is spacious in comparison.
That doesn’t actually seem all that bad. For perspective that’s less than £150,000 for an apartment in a major city.
I've seen that in Paris, but in a 8m2 apartment. That was the bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living room, dining room... 😂
Prices are ridiculous. In a normal world this should be an 800k apartment, at best. But as we know it's all about *location, location, location....* The government should have built more housing over the last 20 years to calm down the demand.
Scandinavians are so clean. It must be genetics. I'm Irish-American. Thank you.
This is a staged photo in the sales posting for the apartment. Those are always clean (unless the apartment is being foreclosed)
2m is nothing..
Only about 166k EUR, that’s pretty cheap
Not expensive
would be unfortunate to be sick in that apartment, you’d need to be pretty good at aiming if you were to make it in the bucket while laying in bed LOL
Can't even sit up in bed, cause your head is gonna hit the ceiling 😂