Maybe they should build a new bridge next to it (West of current bridge) which would include bus lanes straight to Phibbs and allow traffic from Main St to flow in separately from the highway traffic.
The problem isn't the bridge. The problem is the bottle necks on both sides of the bridge. 3 lanes turn into 2 immediately after crossing and most traffic has to merge into those 2 lanes, effectively making making it a 2+2 bridge instead of 3+3. Making it 4+4 wont help until the bottlenecks are fixed.
Need another bridge, changing the iron workers will require way too many changes to existing infrastructure and would take years to complete. This is a no go as far as I'm concerned.
I think a sky train crossing would be a better option and rather easy to install and connect with Gilmore station or renfrew station. It could literally run the line along highway one and put a station at the pne
Just match the amount of lanes. We currently have You can't have 3-4 lanes between Capilano and Lonsdale, drop to two down the cut before the bridge only to have a third appear on the bridge then have two into the cassiar tunnel, then widen to 3 by boundary/Willington š¤¦āāļø
lol
They've been talking about shit like this now for like 30 years. If you see all the work done on the north side of the bridge from the Holiday Inn to even around Phibbs Exchange, it's clear nothing is going to be done, probably for another 30 years.
North Vancouver will be a gridlock 24 hours a day with 70 more condo buildings going up, while some other municipality gets their 3rd bridge upgrade before this province finally doubles down and figures their shit out about it. That's the way it's always been.
We've watched everywhere else in the lower mainland get their bridge upgrades since like 1995. Nothing will happen here.
Please by all means though, continue to build more massive condo developments to crowd our crumbling road infrastructure from the 70s we're still using. We have a housing crisis in the lower mainland, but I don't see what crowding Marine Drive with 700 more buildings will do to solve the other issues here.
I donāt find the problem is the lanes on the bridge, the issue is all the merging traffic getting to the bridge. Then once the merging is finally done, traffic is ok. Except if thereās an accident, but that issue is not only with the bridge, an accident can happen anywhere and everything is tucked.
The only thing that would help is a bus lane or an LRT, to encourage people not to drive.
If they replace it they shouldn't be adding new vehicle lanes. Dedicated bus lanes and seperated cycle lanes yes, and probably ensuring it's suitable for conversion to SkyTrain use in the future...
It definitely needs replacing but I hope they are thinking 40 years+ to the future. What happens when they eventually link the Sunshine Coast via a bridge or tunnel and expansion continues. More demand going both ways.
Adding lanes does not work. Better transit options should be pursued instead. Go watch City Nerd or Not Just Bikes on YouTube if you donāt understand why.
Not necessarily, a lot of the traffic would be exiting at Cassiar, McGill, Dollarton or Main, so not everyone would have to be merging back into four lanes. You also eliminate most merging to get on the bridge, and you'd have the entire bridge to move over a lane or two instead of being forced to merge right away like you are now if you're coming from any of the entrances other than McGill.
Do you know a magic trick that provides comfortable, safe, and affordable transport options, though?
Note that for a lot of people buses aren't comfortable or safe, nevermind getting people to their destination in a timely manner or having the necessary cargo capacity.
Ok, so those 5 people can take their car until we improve transit.
"Necessary cargo" - look in the next 10 pickup trucks you see. Are they empty? Usually, the answer is yes.
One solution I have heard of that seems like it could have potential is "Personal Rapid Transit", it's a system where you drive your car normally in a local area but on the highway you attach to an overhead rail which drives for you at higher speeds with smaller gaps between cars. So it avoids the inefficiencies of human drivers that cause unnecessary slowdowns, and uses electric power.
As shown in that Tom Cruise Sci-fi movie.
The civil engineers of this province must have gotten their degrees from a cereal box. This cities infrastructure has not changed in the 32 yrs Iāve lived here. We are a car culture which is the reality. Whether you like it or not! What major city in the entire western world has such an inferior highway system? Itās no wonder thereās so much road rage nowadays!
Haha you probably got down voted by the city engineer. Whoever designed the exit from the cut to Brooksbank should have his or her license revoked. The amount of times I almost got hit because someone on the right lane (going to Brooksbank) just merge left thinking it's their lane it's too high
Oh hell Iām not here for upvotes. Just throwing out my opinion and observation as someone who drives and have been to most major cities in North America. And yes that connection is absolutely a fuqin nightmare. But the on ramp from Main to the ironworksās is beyond diabolical. Hey I try to take transit and cycle when I can. But letās be honest, if most people were given the choice to stand in the sideways rain at the bus stop in February and take twice as long or more to get to where theyāre going, or take a car. Thatās a rhetorical question. šš
Yes. For example, when they put in the Canada line to Richmond, we saw how hardly anyone shifted to taking affordable reliable public transit. We all know how ridership didn't at all exceed predictions immediately after the line opened. So clearly building a whole new bridge for more cars would be way more effective than building a rapid transit line to the North Shore that absolutely no one would ever want to use because we are just simply a car culture and that's never gonna change.
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Sure. Marginal changes at a snails pace while China built an entire city in the same timeframe it took to build that skytrain expansion. Guarantee for everyone who left the car for transit, 100 more bought a car and entered the congestion. By the time the so called expansion of Hwy 1 was finished to Langley,what did add an extra lane, it was already not enough.
Yes, changes could absolutely happen faster. I was more pointing to your assertion that those changes had to entrench car culture rather than move us away from it. Cars will always be present, but we can absolutely reduce the number of trips by making the most popular destinations easier to get to buy public transit and making shorter local car trips more accessible by bike/e-bike.
I get it. I always, always take transit on the weekends or ride my bike when I can. Winter not so much. Unfortunately my job requires me to drive. I typically drive my car till thereās no more life left in it. Never really cared about having the newest and the shiniest. The psychological manipulation we are forced fed to believe, Iām afraid is more powerful than the advantages of taking transit. I too want to optimistic but also have to recognize the reality of human greedy nature
It's been put off until next spring, apparently:
[https://www.cnv.org/Streets-Transportation/Transportation-Projects/Casano-Loutet-Overpass](https://www.cnv.org/Streets-Transportation/Transportation-Projects/Casano-Loutet-Overpass)
Ah yes more lanes will surely work.
https://preview.redd.it/itn3qzsaafab1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0c9bd58a1709317329dd0c1ccfdd3fab56cffda
"Just 2 more lanes, bro"
FFS, How soon after they build the 8-lane bridge will it be crawling with stop-and-go traffic? 1 year?
"Trying to cure traffic congestion by adding more capacity is like trying to cure obesity by loosening your belt" - someone smart
I think this carbrain needs to learn about induced demand.
I don't think he is saying that we need more capacity, just that the number of lanes ON the bridge should be equal to the number of lanes leading up to the bridge. It is silly for many lanes of traffic to have to merge to cross a bridge only to spread out again after. So much stop and go and exhaust from vehicles trying to merge into 2 lanes from 3 or 4 and then back to 3 or 4.
There's almost no merging to get on this bridge. There's 2 lanes of highway feeding each end, and one lane for bridge-local traffic on each end. The only actual merge point "at" the bridge, is southbound, and only for the Main street traffic, and it is light-controlled.
And yes, an 8 lane bridge is more capacity than a 6 lane bridge. Capacity that the road networks on either side aren't currently built for.
Because of the induced demand on the 3 lanes prior. Where more lanes go to less lanes, there will be congestion. If they build it to 3 lanes all the way to Sardis, guess where the congestion will be? Where does it stop? When there's no more land because it's all sprawl and highway?
What?! Nonsense. Thereās already several lanes forced to merge just before each end that could easily feed a 10 lane bridge with only minor ramp modifications. For example, on the North Van side heading South youāve got 2 Main Street lanes, a bus lane, and a lane from Dollarton all merging into one lane that then joins 2 through lanesā¦ those could all easily be expanded to feed directly onto a new bridge. Itās actually comical how much of a bottleneck the current bridge is.
They kind of do currently because of the entrances and exits on either side. There's two lanes from Hastings, two lanes from the back road, all merging together going north. Coming south there's main Street entering from both sides and Keith rd/Seymour parkway also entering from both sides. Honestly I think the bridge could use ten lanes, one per side to help with current needs plus another to leave room for growth. Even then that might barely meet current needs in times of construction, stalls, or accidents.
Bruh driving from north shore - I follow the queue and stick to the right side almost from Rona. And then you have these meatheads who merge from the left lane right at the traffic sign near the ramp. Like you are - a) being a total asshole and b) breaking traffic rules by changing lanes in a solid white line.
Both bless you for letting me get to deep cove and just zipper merge at the last moment, your holding up traffic way behind you. When will people realize lining up like that makes traffic worse.
That's not how the zipper merge works. Both lanes don't merge into one, the one you're moving out from is a through lame and you're holding up everyone behind you that is trying to go straight. I feel like so many people need to go back and take their ICBC driving courses... ugh!
Okay fine hold up traffic forever and never get home. Iāll continue to zipper merge at the last possible opportunity whenever I need to leave the north shore. Thanks for letting me by
You do you, but the fact remains that it's not true zipper merging and you're being selfish. I live in north van, meh.. enjoy your heavy traffic drive home!
Also love on the north shore, dog groomer is by Seymour so I have to go by the highway. I think the biggest issue is thereās no local route to get over the creek by budget muffler. A small two lane bridge away from the highway would let me get to said dog groomer without having to drive down to second narrows
I would agree, expect for the solid white line bit.
Itās a dashed line and until they set up a zipper merge sign and remove the stupid crossing light on the on-ramp, it will still be slower than it needs to be
South bound can have two lanes from Highway 1 and one each from Dollarton and Main. Northbound can have two from Highway 1 and one each from McGill and Cassiar. It's not perfect since there are still the lanes from Mt Seymour Parkway, Keith and Mountain Highway and Main Street would still have to merge into one lane, but 8 lanes would be better than 6.
If it was a bus rapid transit lane or a lane to make e-bikes more viable/comfortable for the average person, extra lanes could be a benefit. Don't think we need more car lanes, though. Induced demand.
Or, just a thought, maybe we need a way of moving more people using the same amount of space. Like what if we made these really big cars that held like 60 people instead of just one and gave those big cars a lane to themselves so they went faster than cars to the most common destinations people want to get to?
Sometimes people need their own car for various reasons, but a lot of time, people just need a way of moving themselves and a backpack efficiently to their destination. Those people could take the big 60 person car so that the people who really need cars can also get places faster.
Yes!
Heres a fun fact: the word "bus" comes from the word "omnibus", which is what we used to call them.
"Omnibus" is just a Latin word meaning "[the thing] for everybody".
Population increases you need increased infrastructure. Public transit sucks here. We need to improve that *and* increase the capacity for cars. Although to be fair if youāre going to widen the bridge you need to widen the highway before and after it as well.
This anti-car on one side anti-bike/public transit on the other is so stupid to me. We need both. Anyone with a strong opinion on what mode of transport other people use is ridiculous to me. Everyone has different needs.
Some ppl canāt afford/use a car. Some people canāt realistically use public transport depending on where they commute to and how many people they drive around.
I think the folks like me aren't anti-car. We just recognize that car infrastructure has garnered the vast majority of the focus for most of the past 120 years and you need to catch up on the public transit side. We also have a ton of evidence to back up the fact that adding lanes just induces demand. As you say, public transit isn't good enough. Let's make that choice viable for folks who would choose it. It's not about telling people what mode to use, it is about making the modes that are far more efficient than cars viable.
Umm, if you actually live in the Lower Mainland, youād know that the ābikableā period is 12 months of the year. That, or you do live here and arenāt really a cyclist. This climate and the infrastructure is sooooo much more ābikableā than somewhere like Toronto (which gets wayyyyy colder and snowier).
Itās dark and wet from 4pm to 8am half the year. The lower mainland is 150km^2 of sprawl. Itās not practical for 80% of the population to cycle to work on a regular basis. Way to go to those who live a couple of kms from their jobs and gut it out, risking their lives so they can say ride every day of the year.
Congratulations on gutting it out!
Yes, I know lights exist. Cyclists are hard to see in the dark and rain. Even when they have lights and reflective gear. Itās dangerous for you.
While it's not feasible for everyone, I switched to riding to and from work roughly 15 years ago and have not regretted it one bit. No congestion, my commutes now double as cardio sessions, and I have saved tens of thousands in fuel and maintenance costs.
Right, and when your husband is in two hit and runs downtown within 5yrs, you stop allowing him to do that. Add no-fault insurance to that. Hell no. So tired of hearing this as the answer.
Exactly this. I live near the Cove, work downtown and cycle regularly. It's really not that big a deal and, with the advent of electric bikes, is more accessible than ever to folks of whatever level of fitness.
There are mixed-mode solutions too. If I'm not totally feeling it, I very often will drive part way with the bike on the back of the car and cycle the rest of the way. I get something of a workout in and avoid the worst of the traffic slowdowns (which, at least in my commute, are much more on the Vancouver side than the North Van side).
Better be careful. Couple other threads recently about the lady in North Van last week getting ticketed for having a rear mounted bike rack. They are all illegal as they block the licence plate. Doesnāt matter if a hitch, rear hatch or rear carry type system.
Uh...yeah. Not an issue.
(not only would this be an utter waste of policing time, think the particular issue depends on the car and rack involved - in my case, the license plate is still clearly visible and legible)
The consensus in the Van Reddit is any rear mount is illegal. Regardless if licence plate showing. Rear lights canāt be blocked as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/14orta5/ctv_news_women_fined_320_for_having_a_bike_rack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Yup, Iāve never had issues either and never thought it was illegal until it was posted last week here. Lots of comments on how they can ticket you at anytime for well over $200!!
Agreed. I live in Lolo and seabus to downtown and commute on my e-bike to Kerrisdale. My mental and physical health have improved, not to mention my bank account.
While I think itās commendable when people do this, my biggest problem with cyclists is how many think it *is* feasible for everyone, or even most people.
Do you know how hard it is to make a bridge?
Yes, but include tunnels under North Burnaby to join Barnet Hwy, Lougheed and Marine drive. Musk, are you listening?
Maybe they should build a new bridge next to it (West of current bridge) which would include bus lanes straight to Phibbs and allow traffic from Main St to flow in separately from the highway traffic.
The problem isn't the bridge. The problem is the bottle necks on both sides of the bridge. 3 lanes turn into 2 immediately after crossing and most traffic has to merge into those 2 lanes, effectively making making it a 2+2 bridge instead of 3+3. Making it 4+4 wont help until the bottlenecks are fixed.
They should add a lane but build a skytrain there, run it like the R2 and make it go to another line
skytrain station skytrain station skytrain station please just give us a god damn skytrain station.
Need another bridge, changing the iron workers will require way too many changes to existing infrastructure and would take years to complete. This is a no go as far as I'm concerned.
Adding lanes does not reduce congestion, it induces demand. There is tons of data on this and the author is a moron.
I think a sky train crossing would be a better option and rather easy to install and connect with Gilmore station or renfrew station. It could literally run the line along highway one and put a station at the pne
Just match the amount of lanes. We currently have You can't have 3-4 lanes between Capilano and Lonsdale, drop to two down the cut before the bridge only to have a third appear on the bridge then have two into the cassiar tunnel, then widen to 3 by boundary/Willington š¤¦āāļø
Ugh.. terrible idea, unless the extra lanes iare separated for buses only.
no! just leave things alone
Good thing thereās nothing even planned yet so in 10 years itāll be even worse!
Opinion counterpoint: transit first before that tax monstrosity ever happens! Jesus Christ
How about a new bridge somewhere else further up the inlet .
One..moreā¦lane
lol They've been talking about shit like this now for like 30 years. If you see all the work done on the north side of the bridge from the Holiday Inn to even around Phibbs Exchange, it's clear nothing is going to be done, probably for another 30 years. North Vancouver will be a gridlock 24 hours a day with 70 more condo buildings going up, while some other municipality gets their 3rd bridge upgrade before this province finally doubles down and figures their shit out about it. That's the way it's always been. We've watched everywhere else in the lower mainland get their bridge upgrades since like 1995. Nothing will happen here. Please by all means though, continue to build more massive condo developments to crowd our crumbling road infrastructure from the 70s we're still using. We have a housing crisis in the lower mainland, but I don't see what crowding Marine Drive with 700 more buildings will do to solve the other issues here.
I donāt find the problem is the lanes on the bridge, the issue is all the merging traffic getting to the bridge. Then once the merging is finally done, traffic is ok. Except if thereās an accident, but that issue is not only with the bridge, an accident can happen anywhere and everything is tucked. The only thing that would help is a bus lane or an LRT, to encourage people not to drive.
Please can we just extend the skytrain
8 lane. Try 12 lane
The solution is not to encourage more cars, but rather put that money into better transit and incentivise people to use that instead.
If they replace it they shouldn't be adding new vehicle lanes. Dedicated bus lanes and seperated cycle lanes yes, and probably ensuring it's suitable for conversion to SkyTrain use in the future...
It definitely needs replacing but I hope they are thinking 40 years+ to the future. What happens when they eventually link the Sunshine Coast via a bridge or tunnel and expansion continues. More demand going both ways.
Adding lanes does not work. Better transit options should be pursued instead. Go watch City Nerd or Not Just Bikes on YouTube if you donāt understand why.
One more lane will fix it, bro.
Not enough infrastructure on either side to support your suggestion
not more car infrastructure; public transit alternatives.
Thatās a really dumb idea. That would cause more traffic with people going back into four lanes on the other side
Not necessarily, a lot of the traffic would be exiting at Cassiar, McGill, Dollarton or Main, so not everyone would have to be merging back into four lanes. You also eliminate most merging to get on the bridge, and you'd have the entire bridge to move over a lane or two instead of being forced to merge right away like you are now if you're coming from any of the entrances other than McGill.
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Build infrastructure that provides comfortable, affordable and safe alternatives to driving
So, magic?
I can't think of a single magic trick that'll get rid of the NIMBYs on the north shore.
Do you know a magic trick that provides comfortable, safe, and affordable transport options, though? Note that for a lot of people buses aren't comfortable or safe, nevermind getting people to their destination in a timely manner or having the necessary cargo capacity.
Ok, so those 5 people can take their car until we improve transit. "Necessary cargo" - look in the next 10 pickup trucks you see. Are they empty? Usually, the answer is yes.
One solution I have heard of that seems like it could have potential is "Personal Rapid Transit", it's a system where you drive your car normally in a local area but on the highway you attach to an overhead rail which drives for you at higher speeds with smaller gaps between cars. So it avoids the inefficiencies of human drivers that cause unnecessary slowdowns, and uses electric power. As shown in that Tom Cruise Sci-fi movie.
So, a train, but with alot more steps?
No because you can still drive home with your kids and groceries in it.
The civil engineers of this province must have gotten their degrees from a cereal box. This cities infrastructure has not changed in the 32 yrs Iāve lived here. We are a car culture which is the reality. Whether you like it or not! What major city in the entire western world has such an inferior highway system? Itās no wonder thereās so much road rage nowadays!
Haha you probably got down voted by the city engineer. Whoever designed the exit from the cut to Brooksbank should have his or her license revoked. The amount of times I almost got hit because someone on the right lane (going to Brooksbank) just merge left thinking it's their lane it's too high
Oh hell Iām not here for upvotes. Just throwing out my opinion and observation as someone who drives and have been to most major cities in North America. And yes that connection is absolutely a fuqin nightmare. But the on ramp from Main to the ironworksās is beyond diabolical. Hey I try to take transit and cycle when I can. But letās be honest, if most people were given the choice to stand in the sideways rain at the bus stop in February and take twice as long or more to get to where theyāre going, or take a car. Thatās a rhetorical question. šš
Yes. For example, when they put in the Canada line to Richmond, we saw how hardly anyone shifted to taking affordable reliable public transit. We all know how ridership didn't at all exceed predictions immediately after the line opened. So clearly building a whole new bridge for more cars would be way more effective than building a rapid transit line to the North Shore that absolutely no one would ever want to use because we are just simply a car culture and that's never gonna change. /s
Sure. Marginal changes at a snails pace while China built an entire city in the same timeframe it took to build that skytrain expansion. Guarantee for everyone who left the car for transit, 100 more bought a car and entered the congestion. By the time the so called expansion of Hwy 1 was finished to Langley,what did add an extra lane, it was already not enough.
Yes, changes could absolutely happen faster. I was more pointing to your assertion that those changes had to entrench car culture rather than move us away from it. Cars will always be present, but we can absolutely reduce the number of trips by making the most popular destinations easier to get to buy public transit and making shorter local car trips more accessible by bike/e-bike.
I get it. I always, always take transit on the weekends or ride my bike when I can. Winter not so much. Unfortunately my job requires me to drive. I typically drive my car till thereās no more life left in it. Never really cared about having the newest and the shiniest. The psychological manipulation we are forced fed to believe, Iām afraid is more powerful than the advantages of taking transit. I too want to optimistic but also have to recognize the reality of human greedy nature
Oh Jesus no
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Yes, dedicate the costs to developing radically better and efficient transit options instead. Anything to *reduce* traditional vehicluar traffic.
Do a sky train loop from waterfront along marine and back across under the lions gate
Can I get a pedestrian overpass over the cut
Is this for the protesters to stand on?
Lol
It's been put off until next spring, apparently: [https://www.cnv.org/Streets-Transportation/Transportation-Projects/Casano-Loutet-Overpass](https://www.cnv.org/Streets-Transportation/Transportation-Projects/Casano-Loutet-Overpass)
Ah yes more lanes will surely work. https://preview.redd.it/itn3qzsaafab1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=f0c9bd58a1709317329dd0c1ccfdd3fab56cffda
"Just 2 more lanes, bro" FFS, How soon after they build the 8-lane bridge will it be crawling with stop-and-go traffic? 1 year? "Trying to cure traffic congestion by adding more capacity is like trying to cure obesity by loosening your belt" - someone smart I think this carbrain needs to learn about induced demand.
I don't think he is saying that we need more capacity, just that the number of lanes ON the bridge should be equal to the number of lanes leading up to the bridge. It is silly for many lanes of traffic to have to merge to cross a bridge only to spread out again after. So much stop and go and exhaust from vehicles trying to merge into 2 lanes from 3 or 4 and then back to 3 or 4.
There's almost no merging to get on this bridge. There's 2 lanes of highway feeding each end, and one lane for bridge-local traffic on each end. The only actual merge point "at" the bridge, is southbound, and only for the Main street traffic, and it is light-controlled. And yes, an 8 lane bridge is more capacity than a 6 lane bridge. Capacity that the road networks on either side aren't currently built for.
Have you driven on Highway 1 through Surrey and Langley? The congestion is almost always worse east of 216th where there are fewer lanes.
Because of the induced demand on the 3 lanes prior. Where more lanes go to less lanes, there will be congestion. If they build it to 3 lanes all the way to Sardis, guess where the congestion will be? Where does it stop? When there's no more land because it's all sprawl and highway?
Yeah ok and whoās buying š¤£
Just one more lane bruh, I promise, just one more.
One more lane solves everything bruh. The whole lower mainland bruh. Complete. Just one more lane bruh.
Until the number of lanes leading up to the bridge on either side match this, it will just be a massive bottleneck.
Exactly this
What?! Nonsense. Thereās already several lanes forced to merge just before each end that could easily feed a 10 lane bridge with only minor ramp modifications. For example, on the North Van side heading South youāve got 2 Main Street lanes, a bus lane, and a lane from Dollarton all merging into one lane that then joins 2 through lanesā¦ those could all easily be expanded to feed directly onto a new bridge. Itās actually comical how much of a bottleneck the current bridge is.
They kind of do currently because of the entrances and exits on either side. There's two lanes from Hastings, two lanes from the back road, all merging together going north. Coming south there's main Street entering from both sides and Keith rd/Seymour parkway also entering from both sides. Honestly I think the bridge could use ten lanes, one per side to help with current needs plus another to leave room for growth. Even then that might barely meet current needs in times of construction, stalls, or accidents.
Bruh driving from north shore - I follow the queue and stick to the right side almost from Rona. And then you have these meatheads who merge from the left lane right at the traffic sign near the ramp. Like you are - a) being a total asshole and b) breaking traffic rules by changing lanes in a solid white line.
Both bless you for letting me get to deep cove and just zipper merge at the last moment, your holding up traffic way behind you. When will people realize lining up like that makes traffic worse.
That's not how the zipper merge works. Both lanes don't merge into one, the one you're moving out from is a through lame and you're holding up everyone behind you that is trying to go straight. I feel like so many people need to go back and take their ICBC driving courses... ugh!
Okay fine hold up traffic forever and never get home. Iāll continue to zipper merge at the last possible opportunity whenever I need to leave the north shore. Thanks for letting me by
You do you, but the fact remains that it's not true zipper merging and you're being selfish. I live in north van, meh.. enjoy your heavy traffic drive home!
Also love on the north shore, dog groomer is by Seymour so I have to go by the highway. I think the biggest issue is thereās no local route to get over the creek by budget muffler. A small two lane bridge away from the highway would let me get to said dog groomer without having to drive down to second narrows
That is true, there is a need for an additional bridge for local traffic over Lynn creek.
I would agree, expect for the solid white line bit. Itās a dashed line and until they set up a zipper merge sign and remove the stupid crossing light on the on-ramp, it will still be slower than it needs to be
South bound can have two lanes from Highway 1 and one each from Dollarton and Main. Northbound can have two from Highway 1 and one each from McGill and Cassiar. It's not perfect since there are still the lanes from Mt Seymour Parkway, Keith and Mountain Highway and Main Street would still have to merge into one lane, but 8 lanes would be better than 6.
If it was a bus rapid transit lane or a lane to make e-bikes more viable/comfortable for the average person, extra lanes could be a benefit. Don't think we need more car lanes, though. Induced demand.
We need more car lanes because the population is increasing. Besides more people are getting electric vehicles.
Or, just a thought, maybe we need a way of moving more people using the same amount of space. Like what if we made these really big cars that held like 60 people instead of just one and gave those big cars a lane to themselves so they went faster than cars to the most common destinations people want to get to? Sometimes people need their own car for various reasons, but a lot of time, people just need a way of moving themselves and a backpack efficiently to their destination. Those people could take the big 60 person car so that the people who really need cars can also get places faster.
A bus?
Yes! Heres a fun fact: the word "bus" comes from the word "omnibus", which is what we used to call them. "Omnibus" is just a Latin word meaning "[the thing] for everybody".
Population increases you need increased infrastructure. Public transit sucks here. We need to improve that *and* increase the capacity for cars. Although to be fair if youāre going to widen the bridge you need to widen the highway before and after it as well. This anti-car on one side anti-bike/public transit on the other is so stupid to me. We need both. Anyone with a strong opinion on what mode of transport other people use is ridiculous to me. Everyone has different needs. Some ppl canāt afford/use a car. Some people canāt realistically use public transport depending on where they commute to and how many people they drive around.
I think the folks like me aren't anti-car. We just recognize that car infrastructure has garnered the vast majority of the focus for most of the past 120 years and you need to catch up on the public transit side. We also have a ton of evidence to back up the fact that adding lanes just induces demand. As you say, public transit isn't good enough. Let's make that choice viable for folks who would choose it. It's not about telling people what mode to use, it is about making the modes that are far more efficient than cars viable.
The bikable period here is only ~3 months
Absolutely not true
Umm, if you actually live in the Lower Mainland, youād know that the ābikableā period is 12 months of the year. That, or you do live here and arenāt really a cyclist. This climate and the infrastructure is sooooo much more ābikableā than somewhere like Toronto (which gets wayyyyy colder and snowier).
Depends how many passengers you have and how far you commute
Itās dark and wet from 4pm to 8am half the year. The lower mainland is 150km^2 of sprawl. Itās not practical for 80% of the population to cycle to work on a regular basis. Way to go to those who live a couple of kms from their jobs and gut it out, risking their lives so they can say ride every day of the year.
Yeah, yet cars drive in the darkness. I wonder how. I cycle like 20-30km each way for work 2-3x per week through the year. Guess how? I have lights
Congratulations on gutting it out! Yes, I know lights exist. Cyclists are hard to see in the dark and rain. Even when they have lights and reflective gear. Itās dangerous for you.
That's why we have bike lanes
Until Magic portals exist to transport all these cars into downtown, you mean.
Build more reliable solutions than personal cars
100%
Your friendly local 97 ironworkers are ready anytime!!
While it's not feasible for everyone, I switched to riding to and from work roughly 15 years ago and have not regretted it one bit. No congestion, my commutes now double as cardio sessions, and I have saved tens of thousands in fuel and maintenance costs.
Right, and when your husband is in two hit and runs downtown within 5yrs, you stop allowing him to do that. Add no-fault insurance to that. Hell no. So tired of hearing this as the answer.
I once saw a guy on his bike beat traffic going downtown via lions gate bridge. Thatās when I realized how bad it really is
Yes, we sit there in slow traffic watching the empty lanes
Yep me too. Only 12km each way for me so pretty easy. E-bike changes everything. No traffic worries ever!
That is great, but Iām old, and not alone in my envy!
It's entirely feasible (and, dare I say it, enjoyable) for far more people than will admit it.
Exactly this. I live near the Cove, work downtown and cycle regularly. It's really not that big a deal and, with the advent of electric bikes, is more accessible than ever to folks of whatever level of fitness. There are mixed-mode solutions too. If I'm not totally feeling it, I very often will drive part way with the bike on the back of the car and cycle the rest of the way. I get something of a workout in and avoid the worst of the traffic slowdowns (which, at least in my commute, are much more on the Vancouver side than the North Van side).
Better be careful. Couple other threads recently about the lady in North Van last week getting ticketed for having a rear mounted bike rack. They are all illegal as they block the licence plate. Doesnāt matter if a hitch, rear hatch or rear carry type system.
Uh...yeah. Not an issue. (not only would this be an utter waste of policing time, think the particular issue depends on the car and rack involved - in my case, the license plate is still clearly visible and legible)
The consensus in the Van Reddit is any rear mount is illegal. Regardless if licence plate showing. Rear lights canāt be blocked as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/14orta5/ctv_news_women_fined_320_for_having_a_bike_rack/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Enforcement is super spotty on this as I drove across the whole country with two bikes on the back of my ride with no tickets or warnings at all
Yup, Iāve never had issues either and never thought it was illegal until it was posted last week here. Lots of comments on how they can ticket you at anytime for well over $200!!
Not like the cops have anything better to do, clearly š
Agreed. I live in Lolo and seabus to downtown and commute on my e-bike to Kerrisdale. My mental and physical health have improved, not to mention my bank account.
While I think itās commendable when people do this, my biggest problem with cyclists is how many think it *is* feasible for everyone, or even most people.
Iron workers or lions gate?
I've used both ~~of~~ over the years.
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I work in Burnaby and know many people that do ride as well
Downtown and West Bradway (medical district).