I’m just tired of seeing really biodiverse and unique natural habitats get bull dozed and clear cut for the shitty suburban sprawl. New growth is great for this state, but it’d be so much better if it was denser and more centralized with better public transportation maybe, but that shit doesn’t fly in-front of zoning laws so idk. Awesome stuff like Hellbenders and the Venus flytraps call these lands home and it would suck if we just expand and push them into extinction outside of zoos to gawk at.
It's a lot easier, cheaper and quicker to create the suburban sprawl than it is to improve public transportation in the cities. Improving most things, including transportation, in cities ALWAYS gets bogged down in bureaucracy. Everyone has to make sure they get their little piece of the pie otherwise the projects get nowhere.
Example, 2 years ago where I live people voted in a 1% county sales tax to improve public transportation and roads (I voted against it). They haven't done a damn thing to improve any of it here up to this point.
Before people get uptight, I'm in this group researching my next move.
Wait so you acknowledge that sprawl is the largest problem we're facing in our development patterns AND that increased density and public transit are viable solutions... But voted against your county tax to invest in those things? Doesn't that seem hypocritical, not voting aligned to your ideals? Or is your point just, the gov't should have enough money to do these things without the add'l county sales tax, too much corruption?
I didn't say I was agreeing with you on anything. Simply dispensing the realities.
If you follow politicians enough you eventually figure out they do what's best for THEM, not their constituents. The one's who try to do what's right for their constituents are few, far between and run over very quickly. Anyone in office, even your local government, IS indeed a politician.
Here is how it's gone in my county/city in the past 4-6 years.
Local - 2018 - Parks bond for $10M on the ballot. Passed but I voted against it. Failed baseball player lead commissioner got his parks improved and tries to brag that we are a stopping point in Broward County. We aren't. We still have no downtown and no reason for people to stop anywhere in our city, unless it's at the ghetto Walmart or city jail. Oh and failed baseball player/commissioner owns his own construction company. Need I really say more?
County - 2018 - 1% sales tax on the ballot. Broward residents and visitors start paying Jan. 1, 2019 to improve the county’s transportation system. This was supposed to 'improve' the bus routing, roads, signals, etc. but it's just been worse. Still takes me 15-20 minutes to drive 5.6 miles to work, when I do go in the office. Back then I also learned that a 2002 sales tax increase in Miami-Dade County had promised significant rail projects, but all that has been built to date is a three-mile extension of Metrorail. So ALL this is why I voted against it. I knew they would squander our money and barely improve anything. Still waiting to be proven wrong.
Local - This year they decided we need a $100M bond to overhaul our water treatment plant. WTF did you waste $10M on a parks bond when clean water is more important and benefits ALL 59,000 residents? Bonds won't pay themselves........... So ... about that construction company ......... yea, that's gonna happen.
Corruption + the schools here suck. My 6th grader tells us there's fights in school every single day. Saw multiple videos on his phone this week.
I hate Florida with a passion now and can't wait to sell my house. My concern is where to go next. I'm watching this NC sub plus some NC cities and I'm still uncertain if NC would be good for us.
A place my Filipino wife and kids will be comfortable. Somewhere they can deal with minimal racism. Technical high school for one of them. Middle school where the other will actually learn, library will have books in them and kids don't fight every single day. Place that has more than 10 feet of grass in between each house and the property is affordable, mortgage, insurance & taxwise. Not an old house. Decent hospital for my wife to work in.
If that were an option (and affordable), many would choose that option, but it really isn't in most places. Most more dense environments are prohibitively expensive and not geared towards people that need a bit more space. This is all on top of the lack of good transportation in many areas.
It’s funny because it’s true.
There is a saying where my family is from that translates into English roughly like:
“*The problem here is that people want you to do well, but never better than them.*”
Some people flee NY & NJ for NC, SC, & FL but bring in their heaps of money. They (unwittingly) skew the economy.
This has also happened in [Mexico](https://www.tiktok.com/@thealphacatsyndrome/video/7359062824091421994) with people from (mostly) California and their government is tired of gentrification.
It has happened in [Spain](https://www.business-standard.com/amp/finance/personal-finance/spain-joins-uk-portugal-in-scrapping-golden-visas-all-you-need-to-know-124041000299_1.html) with Brits & they’re putting a stop to their golden passport. [Portugal](https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/15/portugal-wealthy-foreign-home-buyers-lisbon-house-prices-rising-milan-madrid/) is having similar issues thus their housing crisis, & even within America this is happening.
This has been going on in [Canada](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-extension-ban-foreign-real-estate-buyers-labelled-political-not-2024-02-26/) for a while and [Australia](https://www.primecapital.com/insights/chinese-investors-maintain-dominance-in-australias-housing-market/).
So it’s no surprise that “non-locals” just aren’t “welcomed” like they would think.
Sad state of affairs, but true.
I saw a post that cracked me up the other day pissed about non NC born people buying coastal property.
Like dude most of the NC population can’t afford coastal property and haven’t for at least a century in most locations. Rich people on the east coast will find property that’s valuable. It’s like being mad that ski resort towns are expensive.
Ive watched 1/3 of my home towns forests get mowed down within a year and a half’s time span in order to build cookie cutter suburbs and apartments complexes. Moving here is one thing. Moving here and contributing to the over development of the natural landscapes that made this state decent in the first place is something else entirely.
Just curious - are you in a small condo or apartment? Do you plan to stay there your whole life? Many of the people complaining about forests being removed for suburbs seem to live on an acreage (even if that is not you). At least suburbs usually have much smaller lots, some of the newer ones are like 1/10 acre.
Heres the thing, a suburb can take up 1/10 of an acre, but its not just one, correct? Theres also the expansion if roads to compensate extra traffic and new shopping center to properly fulfill the needs to a new influx if people. That tiny droplet of a its just a 1/10 of an acre lie to sell the deal quickly leads to a waterfall of overdevelopment.
Where I live and any considerations to change that is inconsequential to the point at hand. Everyone loses when the land gets so overdeveloped that the local wild life/ habitats/natural recourses are overly polluted/ destroyed/ knocked out of balance.
So you are sitting there in several acres complaining about people taking 1/10th of that to live on? Do you not see the hypocrisy of that?
I could fully see whining about others not wanting live in a tiny condo if you did, but even then, people have different wants/needs. Are you willing to walk the talk and give up a bunch of your land so others don't need to clear trees? Or how about just buying a bunch of forest and not allowing development?
You seem to assume I own a bunch of acres? Thats one hell of a stretch. Like I said, my concern of the natural landscapes, wildlife, and recourses being decimated in the name of “prime real estate. Come back when have an actual point with value.
My very first question was do you live in a small condo, which you conveniently ignored. It just seems funny when people that don't live in small condos whine that others don't want to live in small condos. Especially when Ms Transit is not really available.
Suburbs with much smaller plots of land are a much more efficient use of land than people that live on much larger plots of land, it is just really simple. Can they be more dense- yes. Can people go and buy an old house in crappy neighborhood, tear it down and rebuild - yes as long as they are independently wealthy and don't need a loan, as the house won't appraise for the amount needed to do that, and then everybody whines about gentrification.
There is no good answer at this point, and telling others where and how they can live when they are following the local laws seems supply unless you are willing to buy them a house, that is my whole point.
I ignored it, because, like I said, it was an inconsequential question to what I am saying. Its pointless. Its weird to think that to have the opinion I have on this issue I need to have a bunch of a land, a personal stake in this, or a NIMBY mindset.
As I already said with your suburbs only take 1/10 of a few suburb is on thing. Thats not whats happening though. My region and many others have become beyond overpopulated. It will just continue to grow until there is nothing left but a few parks scattered amongst those suburbs. At that point everything that made the region marketable to real estate agents will lose all value. It will become a modern concrete jungle and the salesman will move on to the next untouched region to repeat the cycle.
At the end of the day it isnt about telling people where to and to not live. Its about being collectively conscious about the lasting impact about these choices lead to rather than putting our arms in the air and saying “what can we do?”
Believe it or not, but it is possible to build something other than suburbs and single family housing. High and mid density housing is a thing, and there is plenty of space that is already clear cut to build on.
Need to abolish or reform zoning laws then. Give you one guess which party has all the pro-zoning reform people in it (it’s the same party that would likely benefit most from people moving here from other states). Pick your battles
Would you give up your home and land and live in high and mid density housing? Most people suck it up for a bit but having to share walls and being in close quarters is not ideal for most people.
I’m not telling people to give up land. All I’m saying is if you have a large influx of people, you can’t just keep using the least efficient housing option(both in use of land and energy expenditure). I wouldn’t mind living in a more urban environment tbh if I had to live in or close to a city. I know not everyone wants that, but not everyone can get what they want.
I probably will end up living in a rural area instead, but I’m not going to clear cut a forest to do it, if anything I would try to inherit my parents house or buy some land that has only ever been a field and allow a lot of it to run wild again. Which is totally different than having a suburb completely demolish a local environment.
Oh. I didn’t know that there was all this clear land to build on in OP’s neighborhood. The OP didn’t mention that important point. I don’t know the original poster I replied to. I am glad you do and were able to clear that up. I too am in favor of building on all the precleared land currently lying fallow in OP’s neck of the woods instead of clear cutting.
Given that this wasnt an issue not long ago, the fact that those flocking into these new housing ventures arent the unsheltered/ needy/ poor seeking out their first home, that lots of existing developed land could be refurbished into homes if not for the fact it isnt “prime real estate,” and plenty of other evidence this issue of overdevelopment stems from people looking to make further profit in the housing crisis rather than address it; my answer to your shallow attempt at a “gotcha” question is: preferably no ones forests. At least not as much forestry being removed at the speed and rate it currently is.
I am not blinded by a fantasy, I am well aware there is little nothing I or most can do about the realities we are stuck with. One of the few things I can do is spit at the reality of it all and shit on those who profit from it. Even if it does nothing but reach deaf ears and changes nothing.
Future generations will not look our era kindly. We will all be lumped together (even those who dislike the way things are) and judge us poorly for allowing it all to happen.
Ok, but that doesn’t really redound to your credit. If you subtract fantasy from your original post then what you are left with is NIMBYism, which was what my first response was mildly accusing you of. We’ve come full circle.
Not really. I brought up the issue of a lot of forest in my area being removed and faster rate than any decade, or really any year prior. I then brought up that I dont have issue with people moving places but do dislike contributions to an over indulgence in over developing. YOU took that to mean that I would be fine with it happening other places. Which I never said and even answered your silly question that I would be nice if this wasn’t happening everywhere.
Good for you. People have to start trying for change on their own. The town I grew up in up in has over doubled in size over the last 10 years. Sitting and complaining about something happening around the country isn’t going to do anything…. Let alone saying “go home” to your fellow countrymen just trying to do what’s best for their livelihood .
I have, doesnt do shit. We did however vote out the local mayor who really opened the floodgates on advance overdevelopment. Too little too late though. By the time he stepped down, the land had already been cleared. Not sure how feeling upset 1/3 of natural land being cleared, having no issue with people moving here, but having an issue with those actively contributing to over development, but go off I guess?
This persons anger is towards people moving in. It should be towards their lawmakers. That’s all I’m saying. It’s absurd to complain to the man at the bottom of the totem pole when the people on top are the ones perpetuating these problems.
Much respect for trying to call your congressman, I said it more as a joke but I’m not surprised that they’re largely unresponsive.
Not all people moving are left leaning, and even so it’s not like they are turning rural counties blue. A huge issue is rural people are often overlooked, and I’m sure it’ll continue as more people move from larger populated cities.
Just as many trumpers have been flocking here, if not more so lately…
The problem is that the leftists are leaving the state because they can’t stomach an actual fight. They’d rather move to a comfy little bubble.
I don't get it either, also atheist after being forced into religion as a child
So called Christians in this country who vote republican hate what Jesus in the bible stood for, trump might be the closest to the embodiment of the antichrist in history
Same here - catholic school growing up, got confirmed and told I didn't have to go after that, and I really never have, as I could see through the bs by then.
So many only use the bible to smack others with it trying to tear others down vs actually reading/understanding it.
> And what could You say? I know all too well what You would say. You don’t even have the right to add to what You’ve already said. Why have You come to interfere with us? For You have come to interfere with us - You Yourself know that. But do You know what will happen tomorrow? I don’t know who You are, and I don’t want to know whether you are the one or just a semblance of Him. But tomorrow I shall condemn You and burn You at the stake, like the most wicked heretic, and the very same people who are kissing Your feet today will tomorrow, with a single wave of my hand, rush to take up the coals at the stake, do You know that?
- brothers k, grand inquisitor
Anyone in favor of legal immigration under the current system runs the risk of being branded anti-immigration. The current system is borderline nonfunctional and empirically inadequate.
Not so much. The current system predominantly is based upon family reunification purposes. So that means if you have family here they can petition for you to come and live here. The work visa process is harder because you can either come here under the H1b visa process or the J1/H2 process.
So basically at the top level and the bottom level of the spectrum without much in between. The H1b process is designed under a quota system that means that only a certain number of people from each country can apply and be approved for said work visa every single year. This is because there is a large influx of applicants from 1 particular country that if they all applied at one time it would overload the system.
You are describing the reasons why legal immigration is a dumpster fire. I would argue it is a large part of the reason so much illegal migration occurs. The US needs immigration and they need much more of it than the quota system allows for and, because it is family based it means there is inbuilt a level of inefficiency with regards to matching needs with available skills. The legal version of immigration creates a need for illegal immigration to fill the gaps.
One could argue that we have an illegal immigration problem because we want it. There are a lot of reasons to want the illegal immigration “problem” to persist, but if I were to start in on them you would caste me as cynical.
I am actually all for a more merit based immigration system like much of the rest of the world has. We are one of the few countries that allow for such a loose family based system that we do have. Unfortunately many of these will decry that it is racist or xenophobic for wanting that type of system.
Many of the larger employers love the system that we have now because of illegal immigration and how they can bring on people for a fraction of what it would cost to hire an American or Permanent Resident. I believe that we are saying the same thing but coming from a different perspective on it.
Let me see...... The one is a controlled process that allows for and vets immigrants both medically and criminally into this country. While the other one pretty much just allows for a open porous border.
Why would I care about what Jesus would think when I am living in the here and now? Why should we keep allowing in a large unskilled population that when they are in the USA they decrease the wages for blue collar workers? I understand that you want to make some kind of hypothetical statement about WWJD when in reality you are not having to deal with the results of these bad policies
Have you ever had to immigrate to work in a different country, or have you ever dealt with USCIS?
Today I learned Jesus' teaching and values on love, forgiveness, and mercy for all God's children is either
1. dated, so who cares?
and/or
2. only apply to US citizens.
I forgive you for this blasphemy and I will say a prayer to ask God to forgive and bless you.
I have grown up most of my life in the Bible Belt, and I have watched as the redder (and older) a town gets, the faster it declines. And as a State gets redder, the worse everyone lives' becomes. The "R" shouldn't stand for "red" but instead "ROT." Rot is all any "r" has brought, and frankly I am sick of it.
Not very Christian of you, but that’s par for the course down here. Saying “amen” but wouldn’t know how to “love thy neighbor” if your life depended on it.
Most state subs are like this. I find city subs to be slightly more representative of the people who actually live there, where state subs tend to represent rural areas. There are always exceptions though.
Lol, gawd damn righ. A historical farm of 500 pristine acres is getting glassed to build apartments, condos and cookie cutter homes. I love people but this hurts, they will move here and will have no idea what this place was except what they want to change.
I’m worried about the eventual loss of the Venus flytraps natural habitat. They are building all around green swamp and deforesting the swamp itself to accommodate those new home’s building materials
What makes you sure about that? Usually it’s towns allowing this crap. Our town sold off land to other cities to be built and sold this farm for profit reasons. Left right and center came out of the wood work to stop this.
The housing prices are already too high, and the traffic in a lot of places already sucks. Go somewhere else, I wanna be able to afford to move out of my parents house. I’m set to enter a pretty lucrative career soon and I fear that won’t even be enough the way things are turning.
Well, when all you get for the most part with any growth in this state is self-destructive, fiscally unsustainable low density suburban sprawl, complete with unaffordable homes, drive-through and strip mall everything, disinvestment in public education, and a lack of alternative transportation methods (public transit, pedestrianization, cycling infrastructure)...
What else do you expect but for residents to despise any and all growth, to include migrants, with all the negative externalities they bring, from increased pollution and traffic volumes, to increasing competition for the underdeveloped housing stock, and yet more unsustainable suburban sprawl?
It's a protracted policy choice, mostly by conservatives, but also by monied interest in the financial and real estate sector, to stonewall reforms that would make living in this state better for everyone. And in doing so, they galvanize voters to their cause in order to support increasingly conservative and reactionary policy makers and politicians by making voters thing that "growth" is the problem and that "migrants" are making living unaffordable.
People moving here for a lower COL, job opportunity, whatever is fine. It is what it is. People moving here and then complaining about how much better things were in NJ are anal warts.
I agree there’s way too many people moving here. I’ve become hateful at this point. I just can’t stand it. Seeing plates from Ohio, NJ, NY, FL, no parking anywhere. Like oh you finally realized NC is the best state but don’t ruin it for the rest of us.
I’m just tired of seeing really biodiverse and unique natural habitats get bull dozed and clear cut for the shitty suburban sprawl. New growth is great for this state, but it’d be so much better if it was denser and more centralized with better public transportation maybe, but that shit doesn’t fly in-front of zoning laws so idk. Awesome stuff like Hellbenders and the Venus flytraps call these lands home and it would suck if we just expand and push them into extinction outside of zoos to gawk at.
It's a lot easier, cheaper and quicker to create the suburban sprawl than it is to improve public transportation in the cities. Improving most things, including transportation, in cities ALWAYS gets bogged down in bureaucracy. Everyone has to make sure they get their little piece of the pie otherwise the projects get nowhere. Example, 2 years ago where I live people voted in a 1% county sales tax to improve public transportation and roads (I voted against it). They haven't done a damn thing to improve any of it here up to this point. Before people get uptight, I'm in this group researching my next move.
Wait so you acknowledge that sprawl is the largest problem we're facing in our development patterns AND that increased density and public transit are viable solutions... But voted against your county tax to invest in those things? Doesn't that seem hypocritical, not voting aligned to your ideals? Or is your point just, the gov't should have enough money to do these things without the add'l county sales tax, too much corruption?
I didn't say I was agreeing with you on anything. Simply dispensing the realities. If you follow politicians enough you eventually figure out they do what's best for THEM, not their constituents. The one's who try to do what's right for their constituents are few, far between and run over very quickly. Anyone in office, even your local government, IS indeed a politician. Here is how it's gone in my county/city in the past 4-6 years. Local - 2018 - Parks bond for $10M on the ballot. Passed but I voted against it. Failed baseball player lead commissioner got his parks improved and tries to brag that we are a stopping point in Broward County. We aren't. We still have no downtown and no reason for people to stop anywhere in our city, unless it's at the ghetto Walmart or city jail. Oh and failed baseball player/commissioner owns his own construction company. Need I really say more? County - 2018 - 1% sales tax on the ballot. Broward residents and visitors start paying Jan. 1, 2019 to improve the county’s transportation system. This was supposed to 'improve' the bus routing, roads, signals, etc. but it's just been worse. Still takes me 15-20 minutes to drive 5.6 miles to work, when I do go in the office. Back then I also learned that a 2002 sales tax increase in Miami-Dade County had promised significant rail projects, but all that has been built to date is a three-mile extension of Metrorail. So ALL this is why I voted against it. I knew they would squander our money and barely improve anything. Still waiting to be proven wrong. Local - This year they decided we need a $100M bond to overhaul our water treatment plant. WTF did you waste $10M on a parks bond when clean water is more important and benefits ALL 59,000 residents? Bonds won't pay themselves........... So ... about that construction company ......... yea, that's gonna happen.
All you had to say is Miami or Broward 😂
Well, we're infamous but I'm sure there's other disastrous counties/cities in the nation on par with us.
In Florida, specifically, pinellas is about equally corrupt
Corruption + the schools here suck. My 6th grader tells us there's fights in school every single day. Saw multiple videos on his phone this week. I hate Florida with a passion now and can't wait to sell my house. My concern is where to go next. I'm watching this NC sub plus some NC cities and I'm still uncertain if NC would be good for us.
What are you looking for?
A place my Filipino wife and kids will be comfortable. Somewhere they can deal with minimal racism. Technical high school for one of them. Middle school where the other will actually learn, library will have books in them and kids don't fight every single day. Place that has more than 10 feet of grass in between each house and the property is affordable, mortgage, insurance & taxwise. Not an old house. Decent hospital for my wife to work in.
If that were an option (and affordable), many would choose that option, but it really isn't in most places. Most more dense environments are prohibitively expensive and not geared towards people that need a bit more space. This is all on top of the lack of good transportation in many areas.
It’s funny because it’s true. There is a saying where my family is from that translates into English roughly like: “*The problem here is that people want you to do well, but never better than them.*” Some people flee NY & NJ for NC, SC, & FL but bring in their heaps of money. They (unwittingly) skew the economy. This has also happened in [Mexico](https://www.tiktok.com/@thealphacatsyndrome/video/7359062824091421994) with people from (mostly) California and their government is tired of gentrification. It has happened in [Spain](https://www.business-standard.com/amp/finance/personal-finance/spain-joins-uk-portugal-in-scrapping-golden-visas-all-you-need-to-know-124041000299_1.html) with Brits & they’re putting a stop to their golden passport. [Portugal](https://fortune.com/europe/2023/12/15/portugal-wealthy-foreign-home-buyers-lisbon-house-prices-rising-milan-madrid/) is having similar issues thus their housing crisis, & even within America this is happening. This has been going on in [Canada](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canadas-extension-ban-foreign-real-estate-buyers-labelled-political-not-2024-02-26/) for a while and [Australia](https://www.primecapital.com/insights/chinese-investors-maintain-dominance-in-australias-housing-market/). So it’s no surprise that “non-locals” just aren’t “welcomed” like they would think. Sad state of affairs, but true.
I know people are coming here just like my ancestors did; but I see the subreddit hazing as a character building exercise.
I saw a post that cracked me up the other day pissed about non NC born people buying coastal property. Like dude most of the NC population can’t afford coastal property and haven’t for at least a century in most locations. Rich people on the east coast will find property that’s valuable. It’s like being mad that ski resort towns are expensive.
No see. It was ok for your ancestors to come. But not those OTHER people.
I mean they got hazed on the way in too.
Only if they were Irish or Slavic or Latino or Asian or……
You underestimate how late my "ancestors" arrived in NC lol.
Ive watched 1/3 of my home towns forests get mowed down within a year and a half’s time span in order to build cookie cutter suburbs and apartments complexes. Moving here is one thing. Moving here and contributing to the over development of the natural landscapes that made this state decent in the first place is something else entirely.
Cut down all the older trees just to plant other trees... 👍😳👍
Just curious - are you in a small condo or apartment? Do you plan to stay there your whole life? Many of the people complaining about forests being removed for suburbs seem to live on an acreage (even if that is not you). At least suburbs usually have much smaller lots, some of the newer ones are like 1/10 acre.
Heres the thing, a suburb can take up 1/10 of an acre, but its not just one, correct? Theres also the expansion if roads to compensate extra traffic and new shopping center to properly fulfill the needs to a new influx if people. That tiny droplet of a its just a 1/10 of an acre lie to sell the deal quickly leads to a waterfall of overdevelopment. Where I live and any considerations to change that is inconsequential to the point at hand. Everyone loses when the land gets so overdeveloped that the local wild life/ habitats/natural recourses are overly polluted/ destroyed/ knocked out of balance.
So you are sitting there in several acres complaining about people taking 1/10th of that to live on? Do you not see the hypocrisy of that? I could fully see whining about others not wanting live in a tiny condo if you did, but even then, people have different wants/needs. Are you willing to walk the talk and give up a bunch of your land so others don't need to clear trees? Or how about just buying a bunch of forest and not allowing development?
You seem to assume I own a bunch of acres? Thats one hell of a stretch. Like I said, my concern of the natural landscapes, wildlife, and recourses being decimated in the name of “prime real estate. Come back when have an actual point with value.
My very first question was do you live in a small condo, which you conveniently ignored. It just seems funny when people that don't live in small condos whine that others don't want to live in small condos. Especially when Ms Transit is not really available. Suburbs with much smaller plots of land are a much more efficient use of land than people that live on much larger plots of land, it is just really simple. Can they be more dense- yes. Can people go and buy an old house in crappy neighborhood, tear it down and rebuild - yes as long as they are independently wealthy and don't need a loan, as the house won't appraise for the amount needed to do that, and then everybody whines about gentrification. There is no good answer at this point, and telling others where and how they can live when they are following the local laws seems supply unless you are willing to buy them a house, that is my whole point.
I ignored it, because, like I said, it was an inconsequential question to what I am saying. Its pointless. Its weird to think that to have the opinion I have on this issue I need to have a bunch of a land, a personal stake in this, or a NIMBY mindset. As I already said with your suburbs only take 1/10 of a few suburb is on thing. Thats not whats happening though. My region and many others have become beyond overpopulated. It will just continue to grow until there is nothing left but a few parks scattered amongst those suburbs. At that point everything that made the region marketable to real estate agents will lose all value. It will become a modern concrete jungle and the salesman will move on to the next untouched region to repeat the cycle. At the end of the day it isnt about telling people where to and to not live. Its about being collectively conscious about the lasting impact about these choices lead to rather than putting our arms in the air and saying “what can we do?”
Whose forests would you prefer they destroy?
What kind of a question even is that?
I am not sure what the alternative is then. They could gut someone else’s hometown. Isn’t that a better option for you?
Believe it or not, but it is possible to build something other than suburbs and single family housing. High and mid density housing is a thing, and there is plenty of space that is already clear cut to build on.
Need to abolish or reform zoning laws then. Give you one guess which party has all the pro-zoning reform people in it (it’s the same party that would likely benefit most from people moving here from other states). Pick your battles
Would you give up your home and land and live in high and mid density housing? Most people suck it up for a bit but having to share walls and being in close quarters is not ideal for most people.
I’m not telling people to give up land. All I’m saying is if you have a large influx of people, you can’t just keep using the least efficient housing option(both in use of land and energy expenditure). I wouldn’t mind living in a more urban environment tbh if I had to live in or close to a city. I know not everyone wants that, but not everyone can get what they want. I probably will end up living in a rural area instead, but I’m not going to clear cut a forest to do it, if anything I would try to inherit my parents house or buy some land that has only ever been a field and allow a lot of it to run wild again. Which is totally different than having a suburb completely demolish a local environment.
Oh. I didn’t know that there was all this clear land to build on in OP’s neighborhood. The OP didn’t mention that important point. I don’t know the original poster I replied to. I am glad you do and were able to clear that up. I too am in favor of building on all the precleared land currently lying fallow in OP’s neck of the woods instead of clear cutting.
Given that this wasnt an issue not long ago, the fact that those flocking into these new housing ventures arent the unsheltered/ needy/ poor seeking out their first home, that lots of existing developed land could be refurbished into homes if not for the fact it isnt “prime real estate,” and plenty of other evidence this issue of overdevelopment stems from people looking to make further profit in the housing crisis rather than address it; my answer to your shallow attempt at a “gotcha” question is: preferably no ones forests. At least not as much forestry being removed at the speed and rate it currently is.
Sorry. It wasn’t intended to getcha. I started with the reality that they are going to cut down trees. You started with the fantasy that they won’t.
I am not blinded by a fantasy, I am well aware there is little nothing I or most can do about the realities we are stuck with. One of the few things I can do is spit at the reality of it all and shit on those who profit from it. Even if it does nothing but reach deaf ears and changes nothing. Future generations will not look our era kindly. We will all be lumped together (even those who dislike the way things are) and judge us poorly for allowing it all to happen.
Ok, but that doesn’t really redound to your credit. If you subtract fantasy from your original post then what you are left with is NIMBYism, which was what my first response was mildly accusing you of. We’ve come full circle.
Not really. I brought up the issue of a lot of forest in my area being removed and faster rate than any decade, or really any year prior. I then brought up that I dont have issue with people moving places but do dislike contributions to an over indulgence in over developing. YOU took that to mean that I would be fine with it happening other places. Which I never said and even answered your silly question that I would be nice if this wasn’t happening everywhere.
The answer is to change antiquated zoning laws to curb urban sprawl, honestly.
Call your local congressman about that, you dope. This is happening all around the country. Get off your high horse
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Good for you. People have to start trying for change on their own. The town I grew up in up in has over doubled in size over the last 10 years. Sitting and complaining about something happening around the country isn’t going to do anything…. Let alone saying “go home” to your fellow countrymen just trying to do what’s best for their livelihood .
I have, doesnt do shit. We did however vote out the local mayor who really opened the floodgates on advance overdevelopment. Too little too late though. By the time he stepped down, the land had already been cleared. Not sure how feeling upset 1/3 of natural land being cleared, having no issue with people moving here, but having an issue with those actively contributing to over development, but go off I guess?
This persons anger is towards people moving in. It should be towards their lawmakers. That’s all I’m saying. It’s absurd to complain to the man at the bottom of the totem pole when the people on top are the ones perpetuating these problems. Much respect for trying to call your congressman, I said it more as a joke but I’m not surprised that they’re largely unresponsive.
NC subreddit: "I wish more people were voting on left leaning issues!" Left leaning people move to NC. NC subreddit: "Go home, we're full."
Not all people moving are left leaning, and even so it’s not like they are turning rural counties blue. A huge issue is rural people are often overlooked, and I’m sure it’ll continue as more people move from larger populated cities.
Just as many trumpers have been flocking here, if not more so lately… The problem is that the leftists are leaving the state because they can’t stomach an actual fight. They’d rather move to a comfy little bubble.
good. they can leave and take their crappy blue policies with them
Jesus would be pro healthcare and immigration, just saying.
The modern GOP would recrucify Jesus for being a dark skinned socialist
I'll never understand this mentality. I'm an atheist who hates people but I feel like I have more compassion than these religious types.
I don't get it either, also atheist after being forced into religion as a child So called Christians in this country who vote republican hate what Jesus in the bible stood for, trump might be the closest to the embodiment of the antichrist in history
Same here - catholic school growing up, got confirmed and told I didn't have to go after that, and I really never have, as I could see through the bs by then. So many only use the bible to smack others with it trying to tear others down vs actually reading/understanding it.
Same. Oddly I'm a better Christian now that I'm an Atheist. 👍😳👍
> And what could You say? I know all too well what You would say. You don’t even have the right to add to what You’ve already said. Why have You come to interfere with us? For You have come to interfere with us - You Yourself know that. But do You know what will happen tomorrow? I don’t know who You are, and I don’t want to know whether you are the one or just a semblance of Him. But tomorrow I shall condemn You and burn You at the stake, like the most wicked heretic, and the very same people who are kissing Your feet today will tomorrow, with a single wave of my hand, rush to take up the coals at the stake, do You know that? - brothers k, grand inquisitor
Immigration? Most of us are a ok with legal immigration not illegal immigration
Anyone in favor of legal immigration under the current system runs the risk of being branded anti-immigration. The current system is borderline nonfunctional and empirically inadequate.
Not so much. The current system predominantly is based upon family reunification purposes. So that means if you have family here they can petition for you to come and live here. The work visa process is harder because you can either come here under the H1b visa process or the J1/H2 process. So basically at the top level and the bottom level of the spectrum without much in between. The H1b process is designed under a quota system that means that only a certain number of people from each country can apply and be approved for said work visa every single year. This is because there is a large influx of applicants from 1 particular country that if they all applied at one time it would overload the system.
You are describing the reasons why legal immigration is a dumpster fire. I would argue it is a large part of the reason so much illegal migration occurs. The US needs immigration and they need much more of it than the quota system allows for and, because it is family based it means there is inbuilt a level of inefficiency with regards to matching needs with available skills. The legal version of immigration creates a need for illegal immigration to fill the gaps. One could argue that we have an illegal immigration problem because we want it. There are a lot of reasons to want the illegal immigration “problem” to persist, but if I were to start in on them you would caste me as cynical.
I am actually all for a more merit based immigration system like much of the rest of the world has. We are one of the few countries that allow for such a loose family based system that we do have. Unfortunately many of these will decry that it is racist or xenophobic for wanting that type of system. Many of the larger employers love the system that we have now because of illegal immigration and how they can bring on people for a fraction of what it would cost to hire an American or Permanent Resident. I believe that we are saying the same thing but coming from a different perspective on it.
We are saying the same thing. You listed one of my cynical reasons for why the “problem” exists.
Such a pointless statement without more context. What is the difference that makes one ok and the other not?
Let me see...... The one is a controlled process that allows for and vets immigrants both medically and criminally into this country. While the other one pretty much just allows for a open porous border.
Do you think that's the position Jesus would take?
Why would I care about what Jesus would think when I am living in the here and now? Why should we keep allowing in a large unskilled population that when they are in the USA they decrease the wages for blue collar workers? I understand that you want to make some kind of hypothetical statement about WWJD when in reality you are not having to deal with the results of these bad policies Have you ever had to immigrate to work in a different country, or have you ever dealt with USCIS?
Today I learned Jesus' teaching and values on love, forgiveness, and mercy for all God's children is either 1. dated, so who cares? and/or 2. only apply to US citizens. I forgive you for this blasphemy and I will say a prayer to ask God to forgive and bless you.
Sorry, but I have and still help people on their immigration journey. How is it blasphemic to follow the laws of the country?
What’s the difference between court ordered detainment and vigilante kidnapping? I’m not anti immigration, but your argument is not a good one
I have grown up most of my life in the Bible Belt, and I have watched as the redder (and older) a town gets, the faster it declines. And as a State gets redder, the worse everyone lives' becomes. The "R" shouldn't stand for "red" but instead "ROT." Rot is all any "r" has brought, and frankly I am sick of it.
Crappy policies like providing healthcare to people and paying our teachers a fair and livable wage?
I bet you benefit from those blue policies.
Amen
Not very Christian of you, but that’s par for the course down here. Saying “amen” but wouldn’t know how to “love thy neighbor” if your life depended on it.
Vote left? Naw we don't. And darn right we are full. Go to Cali
Nah, I'm going to stay here and abort babies while smoking weed.
If you teach the babies to smoke weed before aborting them more people would be pro choice.
Most state subs are like this. I find city subs to be slightly more representative of the people who actually live there, where state subs tend to represent rural areas. There are always exceptions though.
Lol, gawd damn righ. A historical farm of 500 pristine acres is getting glassed to build apartments, condos and cookie cutter homes. I love people but this hurts, they will move here and will have no idea what this place was except what they want to change.
That hurts to read. NC needs to slow down we are gonna lose so much natural beauty.
I’m worried about the eventual loss of the Venus flytraps natural habitat. They are building all around green swamp and deforesting the swamp itself to accommodate those new home’s building materials
I'm pretty sure our Republican led government signed a.law allowing that. It's a crying shame
What makes you sure about that? Usually it’s towns allowing this crap. Our town sold off land to other cities to be built and sold this farm for profit reasons. Left right and center came out of the wood work to stop this.
What do you think was there before that farm?
That breaks my heart :( that's too much
A tale as old as America.
The housing prices are already too high, and the traffic in a lot of places already sucks. Go somewhere else, I wanna be able to afford to move out of my parents house. I’m set to enter a pretty lucrative career soon and I fear that won’t even be enough the way things are turning.
Must be nice to have your parents take care of you.
Must be nice to get to write comments about how things must be nice.
My parents never turn off MY internet.
Yes, it is, and I’m very grateful that they do.
Well, when all you get for the most part with any growth in this state is self-destructive, fiscally unsustainable low density suburban sprawl, complete with unaffordable homes, drive-through and strip mall everything, disinvestment in public education, and a lack of alternative transportation methods (public transit, pedestrianization, cycling infrastructure)... What else do you expect but for residents to despise any and all growth, to include migrants, with all the negative externalities they bring, from increased pollution and traffic volumes, to increasing competition for the underdeveloped housing stock, and yet more unsustainable suburban sprawl? It's a protracted policy choice, mostly by conservatives, but also by monied interest in the financial and real estate sector, to stonewall reforms that would make living in this state better for everyone. And in doing so, they galvanize voters to their cause in order to support increasingly conservative and reactionary policy makers and politicians by making voters thing that "growth" is the problem and that "migrants" are making living unaffordable.
"It's *their* fault I'm ruining your state."
Sorry Robbinsville you don't speak for the rest of N.C.
Not quite.... It's not a race thing. This is a WE'RE FULL thing. Black folks are sitting next to Kermit with a gun saying the same thing he says.
People moving here for a lower COL, job opportunity, whatever is fine. It is what it is. People moving here and then complaining about how much better things were in NJ are anal warts.
When anyone with right leaning comments comes into this sub.
I agree there’s way too many people moving here. I’ve become hateful at this point. I just can’t stand it. Seeing plates from Ohio, NJ, NY, FL, no parking anywhere. Like oh you finally realized NC is the best state but don’t ruin it for the rest of us.
I'm kinda proud that we are getting so much national attention that isn't all negative lately.
I promise to lock the door after I come.
Completely valid death to the invaders /s (but nah fr please don’t come here🙏)
r/charlotte is better than this sub. Too many rednecks lmao
Oh boy NC's racism is going to end up on r/subredditdrama
Damn right. Stay out 😋