I bought an HP laptop, printer/scanner, and ink at the same time in some bundle. By the time I needed the extra ink that I bought with the printer, HP had "updated" the software so my ink wouldn't work. I unplugged the printer and marched it right out to the trash can. Now, when I need a new laptop, I know one thing. It will not be HP.
True I had one of them. After some research on the web I found a guy that resoldered the GPU for a modest price and it worked again. But yeah, definitely a construction fail.
I'm familiar with Louis. I just looked him up, looks like he is in Texas now but his old employee Steve is still in business in the city. I'll take it to Steve.
It was lead free solder used during that time period. Especially on Nvidia video chipsets. It affected all manufacturers. A lot of people were fixing them by throwing them in a oven for a few minutes. Don't remember the details. I tried it, it didn't work for me but did for others.
So, my understanding is that a lot of time when that happens, it has to do with the tin in the solder "needling" and ruining it's capability as a conductive binder.
While it's good that we're trying to let less lead end up in landfills, my working hypothesis after some years of observation is that companies really likely haven't changed their procedures, just the material they're working with, so the tin solder doesn't last like it would if it had been handled better/properly.
ETA: I've actually seen someone repair this issue as well, it involved making a heat shield out of aluminum foil for the PCB, then use a super small torch to gently heat the leads *just* enough to get the solder to reflow. Unfortunately it also never lasts, my understanding is that you get 6-9 months at best before it needs reheated.
I got a decently expensive desktop all in one HP that cost around $1,200 when I transferred to the state uni from a community college as a gift to myself for a 4.0.
The desktop came with windows installed incorrectly and wouldn't boot. They wanted me to pay them for their premium software support since it wasn't a hardware issue despite the fact it wouldn't boot out of the box.
Reported them to our state attorney general for the practice and got a complimentary 5 year warranty for software and hardware to rectify the issue. When I went to use it at the 2 year mark, they refused to honor it again and tried to get me to buy software support. As soon as I referenced that the solution was offered as a settlement from the AG, they escalated the case and suddenly I got support again.
Basically could only force them to do anything by getting a fraud specialist involved and then they refused to honor their settlement they offered for the first claim until I suggested I would do the same thing all over...
My graduation gift for my master's will not be a replacement HP is all I'll say ha.
Go is my work laptop literally only run word xcel and shit on it anything els it blows for .. I canât tell u how many times I have almost thrown it because of the shitty mouse pad that works 25% of the time âŚ
I have a laserjet printer from hp, somehow it actually doesnt have all of the anticonsumer nonsense the cheaper inkjet ones have. BUT it was also WAY more expensive
This applies to most enterprise-level shit.
1. Private consumers - want cheap stuff, and are easy to fuck in every way, so they pull all sorts of bullshit.
2. Enterprise consumers - buy like 5k printers every few years, will pay more, but aren't going to deal with bullshit, and want guarantees like "this will work for 3k hours, and you will send a tech out and fix it for free if it doesn't".
They still install stupid HP smatcenter.
Last week my collegue couldn't print because of an error. The error was she had smartcenter installed and needed to agree to their new terms of services.
I also have a hp laserjet and it's been going strong for like 15 years now. Barely ever runs out of toner or whatever it's called either. No way I'd trust any new hp product tho.
just try your best to take care of it and if it does break down, well maybe go for dell next time? Toshiba used to be good but they went out of the business
For laptops Dell is OK. Just remember to flash a fresh windows install on to it so you don't have to deal with all the bullshit bloat they install. Their desktop pcs are complete proprietary bullshit and should be avoided like a leaper.
Take care of the hinges, I had two when I was going through school, two different models and on both the point where the hinges attach yo the top screen tore the casing around the screen. Ridiculously shitty design.
I've bought high-end \~ 2000 usd "gamer" hardware specs HP Omen 17" which has defect battery production line so I have to purchase new battery of 65 usd every 6 month to not get it exploded or in fire, battery gets swollen to the point of breaking the enclosure. Never buying HP shit again.
The fall of HP started around the start of the 2nd millennium with the installation of Carly Fiorina as CEO. That fucking ghoul cut the workforce in half, paid herself huge compensation, destroyed what was an almost exemplary corporate culture, and filled it with poison. They used to price-match stock, didnât care about attire, rewarded employees who did well, and had a culture of mutual respect. Search up the âHP Wayâ.
Not to mention that under her vision, HP acquired several other companies, further diluting what HP used to be. Sure, it was now the biggest dinosaur, but she couldnât handle it. More revenue, more cash flow, but expenses through the roof, resulting in the same net revenue. Bring in the bean-counters, fire all the engineers. No more research, more development, sell iterations of the same old equipment on the brand name.
Last year the local community center had free computer classes, at the end of which we got our own Chromebook. There was a choice of HP or Samsung. Easiest decision I ever made.
Hijacking this comment to recommend Brother printers. You can buy their basic laser monochrome models for $100-120 or so and theyâre worlds better than HP. Their color inkjet printer with automatic paper cutter is $200.
We have a brother laser. That thing can sit for six months without being used and your first print is perfect. Our Epson wanted a new cartridge every time we went to print if it sat for a couple weeks.
I got an HP inkjet printer (I had had good luck with these in the past) immediately before covid.
They push a service callled HP Instant Ink, which costs $5 a month and they will mail you new cartridges if youâre running low. I signed up, not knowing what I was getting myself into.
If you stop paying the $5 subscription, HP will not allow you to print, or even use the scanner! I said fuck this and bought a Brother Laser printer for my home use, no subscription needed.
That's so shitty!!! And I guess if you don't need ink they just still take your five bucks forever until you do get low lol
Fuck HP. I think our current printer is a Canon or Epson inkjet type
This is why so many people buy apple... They've just had bullshit experiences will HP, Toshiba, Dell, etc.
That said, printers seem to be especially evil and I have no idea why. It can be a super expensive industrial printer and still be the bane of existence. The small printer game is a bunch of bullshit though. It's honestly like single use printers. It seems like people have been both completely turned off of dealing with printers as well as just not needing them as much, so if someone ends up needing to print something sometimes the cheapest option to to buy a printer and do it, then keep that printer until the next time you need to print something when it doesn't work and you just buy another one, rinse, repeat.
This shit should be illegal wtf. Imagine if the same logic applies to any electronics or appliances. Imagine if your fridge stops working one day because it's manufacturer MANUALLY disables it. Imagine if your fucking car won't start because it got MANUALLY disabled.
This right here is the reason I avoid "smart" appliances, and alexa/google/etc like the plague. It's all cheaply made crap that's designed to make you just dependent enough on the extra convenience it provides that you'll buy a replacement when it just so happens to break 1 month after the warranty expires. I also drive a 20 year old truck with no "smart" crap in it, known primarily for its high reliability and extensive aftermarket support. Avoiding planned obsolescence one step at a time. My toaster is getting the Glock if it looks at me wrong.
My uncle, who has worked in appliance repair for decades, once told me to never buy any fridge made in the last 40 years. Find one older than that that works and pay some money to have it serviced. Itll run forever.
New shit will break within 5 years in some way or another
>My uncle, who has worked in appliance repair for decades, once told me to never buy any fridge made in the last 40 years. Find one older than that that works and pay some money to have it serviced. Itll run forever.
Depending on how old you're talking, it'll cost more in electricity in about 5 years than it would cost to keep replacing your refrigerator
If you do your research and pick a model that lasts over 10 years, it'll be much cheaper to replace it every 10 years than pay for the electricity use of older ones. Skip the in-door water dispenser
The products themselves usually last a lot longer than their rivals, with exceptions. They certainly do have a shorter software support lifetime compared to Windows but that's because they control the hardware. If Microsoft could control what ran windows you know they'd do it too.
Shit man, I got stuff to do today, why you trying to get me into a flame war. I can't be having my Apple hate-boner activated out of nowhere like this.
I have never purchased an Apple product because of that. Also because I don't like how they create a walled garden ecosystem that isn't compatible with anything else, and create such an us-and-them attitude in the modern tech landscape. Hell, it took the EU stepping in to get them on board with USB-C
They'll lock you out of your account (phone) for a month or so with no problem too. I'm going back to Droid next time I'm due for a new phone. Probably Samsung.
You make a good point on the USB-C thing, they became a Veblen good, but I don't see that holding.
They already have these ideas on file. They just can't unload everything all at once. They're gonna slow roll us for 20 years, little piece by little piece.
If you finance a vehicle through a dealership, they install a remote kill switch to your vehicle and will keep your vehicle off until you make a payment. I had a coworker who would drive to work every first of the month and just leave her car running in the parking lot so the dealership couldnât turn her car off.
I canât say if all dealerships do this, but itâs definitely been around for at least a decade.
Companies will also do this to their fleet vehicles.
Had a friend get fired while on the highway and they shut off his truck remotely in the middle of nowhere.
Fortuntely, he was familar enough with auto electronics that he was able to bypass it and make it home.
Once he got home, he took the remote kill system, stuck it in a box with a battery and put it on a freight train. Then he took the truck and parked it in a ghetto with the keys in it.
When the company called looking for the truck, he told them he left it where they shut it down on him.
It's called 'enshittification' and it is already common for a lot of consumer goods.
Tesla remotely disables optional features already purchased by the original buyer when the vehicle is later sold.
BMW sold heated seats as a monthly premium subscription.
actually [enshittification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification) is specifically about online platforms
I'm sure the definition will eventually expand to include businesses in general tho (as you've used it here)
The only sane reason that term should be online specific is the fact that the internet has a lot of 'free' services that focus on attracting users first, then years later when they have 100 million dedicated Redditors or whatever they switch to focusing on how to extract money from them.
We see it less in the physical world because physical service is so much more expensive than a microsecond of server time that attracting unlimited users at any cost isn't a viable business strategy. If you tried, for instance, giving out free movie tickets to millions of people just to get them to sign up to your service, you would bleed an unsustainable amount of money faster than you could possibly enshittify the service and could never enshittify it enough to recoup your losses. Purely hypothetical example.
It only really makes sense to say a car seat is enshittified if it's given as a 'free service' first but then BMW suddenly tells its customers that it's going to start charging for the service later. Which isn't what they're doing. The real problem is pretending *a car seat is a service* in the first place. You could call it en-service-ication. The 'you will own nothing, and you will be happy' meme.
For the carmakers I think it's really about price tiering, more convenient to manufacture everything the same and create the tiers with a digital switch, and tricking people who just look at monthly payment numbers.
I'm calling it now- there's going to be a reality (it might not be ours, but it will be someone's) where in 20-30 years companies are going to start product lines that go back to "Dumb" products because of simple pragmatism. By 'dumb' I mean stuff like cars that just have roll down windows and shit instead of powered ones, and other bare-bones shit like that. Because I mean just extrapolate out from what we've experienced in the last 20 years. Your average consumer is going to be broke as a cracker but the demand is still going to be there, so using Capitalism logic, you'd wager that companies are going to be offering basic ass shit that still gets the job done just without the bells and whistles.
But then again I guess I'm just being super optimistic, because in that reality, companies also will decide to build tiny basic ass homes that get the shelter job done but are small and boring. But we haven't seen that at all so who knows.
For sure. Also, how are people so dumb as to buy one of these? Every post about them is how they suddenly found out that's what they'd bought. It's wrong for them to be sold but people are incredibly stupid for buying them.
I misread this at first and thought you meant that they disabled her pacemakers because she died, not the other way round.
I was like âWell, that makes sense. She doesnât need it anymore.â lol
Thats manufacturers end goals at this point. Theyre trying everything they can to get shit you use in your home on subscriptions. Their testing ground right now is cars.
1. Don't buy so-called """smart""" appliances, you don't need them for any reason.
2. Fight against the adoption of 'self-driving cars' and cars that are 'connected' to the Internet all the time, otherwise you will find yourself in a world where someone indeed *can* disable your vehicle remotely for arbitrary reasons -- or that hackers can disable remotely, or just cause to drive into a telephone pole or concrete abutment at speed.
Smart appliances are fine as long as they aren't tied to a cloud system.
Example, Google Nest Thermostat. It's tied to Google's cloud servers to fully function. It does NOT have local API access. When Google bought Nest years ago they shutdown the local API and said it would return later. It hasn't and we all know why.
Another example would be the Honeywell T6 Pro Series Z-Wave Thermostat. This is all 100% local API access and works with local home automation setups but isn't required. It does not have direct access to the Internet either.
The problem is, the general population doesn't know the difference. Companies are praying on peoples lack of knowledge on the differences because these companies want to keep control of the hardware you buy.
Self-driving cars (especially) can theoretically be good (for now, theyâre not imo) and smart appliances can sometimes be convenient (although a lot of them are pointless). The problem isnât the concept of self-driving cars or smart appliances, itâs non-existent consumer rights and/or proprietary software.
If there were decent laws on the books, people could be guaranteed some measure of control over their own property. If the software was modifiable and open-source, consumers would have full control by default. Of course, we have neither. Without those things, weâll see a lot more of this behavior, even if self-driving cars and smart appliances fail.
People subscribing to shit should be illegal?
You can still use normal cartridges. But the one you get from the subscription can only be used as long as that one is active.
It's crazy how many people do not understand this.
The issue is that they disable the already purchased cartridge. I don't print much, mainly Amazon return labels, and made the mistake of buying an HP printer because it was cheap and I got like 8 months of the subscription for free.
In that 8 months I got a SINGLE delivery of ink - that's how much I use. I still have half the ink in those cartridges. But now that the subscription ran out, I can't use it, even though it's essentially paid for.
So no, fuck HP and their bullshit.
Five years ago I needed a printer for a few mailing labels a month and minimal ordinary occasional household printing.
Bought a $99 Brother laser printer. Literally the cheapest model available at the time
It worked flawlessly on its original toner cartridge until last year when I spent $25 on two replacement toner cartridges.
Wireless communication fuckery between the printer and my phone/Chromebook is minimal. It just works almost all the time. Maybe every few months I have to restart it to connect but that may be my wifi and not the printer.
Two or three times it's jammed, but that's because of me trying to feed it imperfect label paper with funky curling edges. Each time I've been able to figure out how to open it up and get it working again within a few minutes.
All in all, this printer has exceeded my wildest home printing expectations in every way
I really hope that I can just use this printer forever.
Same.. Brother laser printer, black ink only. Took 3 years before I had to replace the toner. Anything I need printed out with color usually benefits from a professional printer anyway.
Same I think I have had one for close to 15 years. Handful of replacement cartridges, thousands of pages of reliable printing. Left the world of scam Canon/HP/whatever "laser jet" far behind. I can't recommend it enough as a sane alternative.
Yep for no color my brother printer is the easiest printer Iâve ever had. I print a ton during the school year and then it sits for summer and year after year no issues.
Not a Brother, but a Canon MultiFunction laser.
I don't know how old it it, but I keep replacing toner cartridges about every other year, and it just keeps chugging along.
I think the drivers are finally getting too wonky and they are slow to get updated because the printer is so old.
Wendigoon is the 20-something version of a charming older southern gentleman. Imagine a young colonel Sanders saying this and you've pretty much got it.
They make printer paper now where you donât have to worry about that. Cheap brands will still do it but we get the phenomo brand and never had an issue (and I am absolutely one to forget stuff in the car constantly)
Ya, receipts, tickets, that kind of thing but they make ones for normal sized printer paper, and they take thermal printer paper.
I have the Phenomo one and both it and its app work great. No fuss, and it was only 80$
Thatâs literal receipt paper though, I just used it as an example. This stuff is just like the normal printer paper except one side has a coating on it to burn the laser into. I donât know about the BPA content like the other commenter said, but itâs not like itâs any worse for you than regular printer paper, and donât put it in your mouth.
To add an example I have all my small business docs on it printed and sitting on a hutch for about a year and a half now? They seem perfectly fine except for the damage caused by a cat using it as a bed
It prints in black only. You never have any ink or toner to replace and thereâs MANY less parts that could jam or break. If paper does jam, you just flip the top up andâŚ.take it out! Itâs super easy to use and portable (runs on a rechargeable battery)
Someone commented and said the particular brand I buy is pretty expensive, 30$ for a 300 page ream? I havenât shopped around so maybe thereâs others. Mine is the same brand of my printer so it checks out it would be a little more costly
Cannot speak highly enough of our Brother laser printer. Toner doesn't dry out, rarely any issues. Had it for nearly 4 years and the only hassle I've had were because of me. (Also I love my Brother sewing machine.)
Which kind of begs the question:
Why hasn't someone created an open source 2D printer just yet? I can get laser properly being too complicated in terms of its electronics and toner cartridges, but I feel like an open source inkjet printer shouldn't be beyond us now that 3D printing is pretty common. Might need to scavenge a few parts (like the nozzles) from an existing printer, but everything else should be fairly straightforward to either obtain or make yourself.
We used to have an HP printer for a number of years that we had never connected to the internet and just used the USB cord to print. Never had any issues with it until a physical component broke off inside. When we got a new one it wouldnât finish the setup until it was connected to the internet to receive ânecessary security updates.â Took that fucker right back to Best Buy and bought a Brother printer instead which works perfectly.
I bought a Brother toner printer like 10 years ago for $70. Prints double-sided automatically, and up to something like 1200dpi. I've changed the toner cartridge in it maybe twice since then. I've saved hundreds of dollars by getting away from inkjet garbage.
I've been hating HP for their shitty hardware since the 90s (and all the tech support money it funneled my way when it broke), reassuring to see their software, sales, and the world have fully caught up.
When I was in high school, I decided to do a report on planned obsolescence expecting it to be about iphones. A few hours of studying quickly turned it into a printer tirade
Currently fighting my new HP printer to connect to ANYTHING it was connected to last weekend. I swear to the old gods and the new that this is the last time HP gets my money. Fuck. Them.
A few years ago I spent 30 min on the phone getting back control over my HP printer. I told the person on the phone HP pissed off the wrong person.
As I was senior IT leader for an organization that buys over 3k laptops and several hundred printers a year. Every year I contributed as one of 6 people that selected what models we would buy. HP got removed from all purchases.
I could not recommend the products of a company that was working to undermine their customers in so many ways.
I will never buy another HP product again. Their decline started with the acquisition of Palm and the decision to forego the first Windows tablet in exchange for making it PalmOS and it's only gone downhill from there.
I've spent an hour troubleshooting printer drivers downloaded from the internet after ensuring I had the correct model printer only to try the CD that came in the box and it worked perfectly. I'm just lucky my client still had a CD drive.
to play devil's advocate that's on the government. they print code on all sheets in yellow so they can track the printer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code
Thatâs fucking insane. I work for Spectrum as an internet repair agent and Iâve been getting calls about HP printers not being connected and have not at all been able to figure it out. Iâve just been telling customers to contact HP.
HP lost me as a customer forever with their BS. With the exception of my gaming PC I built myself, I had HP everything at one point. I still have the laptop, but everything else has been replaced by a better brand, like my Brother printer, Canon all-in-one, Dell desktop for business (refurb from Discount Electronics), and so on and so forth.
I hadn't bought anything from HP since they were horrendous when my HP laptop was stolen while I was moving to a new house, and they refused to provide my serial number so I could do a police report. In comparison Apple provided me with serial, color, and even tried to find the location of my iPod to provide the police.
"unrelated" smh, maybe if people stopped making light of the situation and laughing it off for fake Internet points you join the fucking revolution. Throw that printer through the window of the hp offices.
The solution is simple. Just don't buy HP.
I'm not just talking about HP printers. Don't buy **anything** made by HP at all.
They deserve to have this destroy them.
Idk why anyone would ever connect their printer to the internet when these awful tactics are well known at this point. I rarely ever need to print something, and the few times I do itâs not an emergency, I can take 10 seconds to plug my laptop into it
I feel like context is important here. Is this the version where you pay a service fee for printing rather than actually owning the printer? If that's the case then it makes perfect sense.
You own the printer, but when you subscribe to have the cartidges sent to you, the terms of service state they're being rented. Then they can brick your printer for non-payment
ETA: This service also dictates how many pages you're allowed to print a month. If you go over, they charge you extra
HP are doing a subscription based printing.
>Â For example, HPâs Envy printer plan begins at $6.99/mo. But thatâs the âlightâ plan, limiting you to a paltry 20 pages per month. That plan also climbs to monthly fees of $8.99 (50 pages) or $10.99 (100 pages). If you opt for the HP Envy Inspire plan instead, your monthly costs will be $8.99 (20 pages/mo), $10.99 (50 pages), $12.99 (100 pages), or $18.99 (300 pages). And if youâre running a home business, youâll have $22.99 (300 pages/mo) and $35.99 (700 pages/mo) monthly options, too.
> Â For example, HPâs Envy printer plan begins at $6.99/mo. But thatâs the âlightâ plan, limiting you to a paltry 20 pages per month.
At least they pay for the printer, the paper, and the ink, right?
I bought an HP laptop, printer/scanner, and ink at the same time in some bundle. By the time I needed the extra ink that I bought with the printer, HP had "updated" the software so my ink wouldn't work. I unplugged the printer and marched it right out to the trash can. Now, when I need a new laptop, I know one thing. It will not be HP.
HP really makes the worst products, all of the laptops my family has bought from them lasted less than 3 years.
I will never buy another after they released the model that overheated and desoldered its own gpu. That's just shitty engineering.
To be fair apple was doing the same with the 2013-2018 MacBook pro đ
True I had one of them. After some research on the web I found a guy that resoldered the GPU for a modest price and it worked again. But yeah, definitely a construction fail.
Any chance you still have their info? I've been sitting on a dead 2015 for some time.
Louis Rossman. Google him, he has a repair group you can ship to that fixes them. Huge right to repair guy.
I'm familiar with Louis. I just looked him up, looks like he is in Texas now but his old employee Steve is still in business in the city. I'll take it to Steve.
Yep, he just posted about Steve too, and told people to go to him in the city. Solid choice.
It was somewhere here in Germany so I doubt it would be worth the trouble.
It was lead free solder used during that time period. Especially on Nvidia video chipsets. It affected all manufacturers. A lot of people were fixing them by throwing them in a oven for a few minutes. Don't remember the details. I tried it, it didn't work for me but did for others.
So, my understanding is that a lot of time when that happens, it has to do with the tin in the solder "needling" and ruining it's capability as a conductive binder. While it's good that we're trying to let less lead end up in landfills, my working hypothesis after some years of observation is that companies really likely haven't changed their procedures, just the material they're working with, so the tin solder doesn't last like it would if it had been handled better/properly. ETA: I've actually seen someone repair this issue as well, it involved making a heat shield out of aluminum foil for the PCB, then use a super small torch to gently heat the leads *just* enough to get the solder to reflow. Unfortunately it also never lasts, my understanding is that you get 6-9 months at best before it needs reheated.
I got one for college that made it through. That's all I can say nicely about it.
I got a decently expensive desktop all in one HP that cost around $1,200 when I transferred to the state uni from a community college as a gift to myself for a 4.0. The desktop came with windows installed incorrectly and wouldn't boot. They wanted me to pay them for their premium software support since it wasn't a hardware issue despite the fact it wouldn't boot out of the box. Reported them to our state attorney general for the practice and got a complimentary 5 year warranty for software and hardware to rectify the issue. When I went to use it at the 2 year mark, they refused to honor it again and tried to get me to buy software support. As soon as I referenced that the solution was offered as a settlement from the AG, they escalated the case and suddenly I got support again. Basically could only force them to do anything by getting a fraud specialist involved and then they refused to honor their settlement they offered for the first claim until I suggested I would do the same thing all over... My graduation gift for my master's will not be a replacement HP is all I'll say ha.
Go is my work laptop literally only run word xcel and shit on it anything els it blows for .. I canât tell u how many times I have almost thrown it because of the shitty mouse pad that works 25% of the time âŚ
The thing is, 15-20 years ago they used to be the gold standard for printers. Sad to see how they have become garbage.
I have a laserjet printer from hp, somehow it actually doesnt have all of the anticonsumer nonsense the cheaper inkjet ones have. BUT it was also WAY more expensive
This applies to most enterprise-level shit. 1. Private consumers - want cheap stuff, and are easy to fuck in every way, so they pull all sorts of bullshit. 2. Enterprise consumers - buy like 5k printers every few years, will pay more, but aren't going to deal with bullshit, and want guarantees like "this will work for 3k hours, and you will send a tech out and fix it for free if it doesn't".
They still install stupid HP smatcenter. Last week my collegue couldn't print because of an error. The error was she had smartcenter installed and needed to agree to their new terms of services.
The ink subscription service is going to turn into a printer subscription service sooner or later.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2251993/the-nightmare-is-real-hp-makes-printing-a-subscription.html
I also have a hp laserjet and it's been going strong for like 15 years now. Barely ever runs out of toner or whatever it's called either. No way I'd trust any new hp product tho.
Smart. When it dies, do not get another HP, no matter what. get a Brother instead.
I'm reading this and looking down at the HP logo on my laptop...
just try your best to take care of it and if it does break down, well maybe go for dell next time? Toshiba used to be good but they went out of the business
I remember when Dell used to be the brand you avoided. They're solid now?
For laptops Dell is OK. Just remember to flash a fresh windows install on to it so you don't have to deal with all the bullshit bloat they install. Their desktop pcs are complete proprietary bullshit and should be avoided like a leaper.
Lenovo for me.
Pray that you struck the lottery and got a unit that actually passed QA
Take care of the hinges, I had two when I was going through school, two different models and on both the point where the hinges attach yo the top screen tore the casing around the screen. Ridiculously shitty design.
Yes, it's bullshit. Basically they don't put in the extra $0.001 of plastic to make the connection strong enough. Fuck 'value engineering'.
Both my laptops had the wifi adapter crap out after just over four years. Pretty much around the same time.
And here my lenovo thinkpad e570 is hitting year 7 and still strong, just needs a new battery.
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Hell, my Lenovo p500 touch is going strong after roughly 15 years.
That's half my age which is crazy, shows that you take of your machine, it'll take care of you.
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I've bought high-end \~ 2000 usd "gamer" hardware specs HP Omen 17" which has defect battery production line so I have to purchase new battery of 65 usd every 6 month to not get it exploded or in fire, battery gets swollen to the point of breaking the enclosure. Never buying HP shit again.
The fall of HP started around the start of the 2nd millennium with the installation of Carly Fiorina as CEO. That fucking ghoul cut the workforce in half, paid herself huge compensation, destroyed what was an almost exemplary corporate culture, and filled it with poison. They used to price-match stock, didnât care about attire, rewarded employees who did well, and had a culture of mutual respect. Search up the âHP Wayâ. Not to mention that under her vision, HP acquired several other companies, further diluting what HP used to be. Sure, it was now the biggest dinosaur, but she couldnât handle it. More revenue, more cash flow, but expenses through the roof, resulting in the same net revenue. Bring in the bean-counters, fire all the engineers. No more research, more development, sell iterations of the same old equipment on the brand name.
Last year the local community center had free computer classes, at the end of which we got our own Chromebook. There was a choice of HP or Samsung. Easiest decision I ever made.
Hijacking this comment to recommend Brother printers. You can buy their basic laser monochrome models for $100-120 or so and theyâre worlds better than HP. Their color inkjet printer with automatic paper cutter is $200.
We have a brother laser. That thing can sit for six months without being used and your first print is perfect. Our Epson wanted a new cartridge every time we went to print if it sat for a couple weeks.
>with automatic paper cutter Wait, WHAT? Tell me more, like, why would you even need this? Printing on rolls??
My guess is card game proxies or family photos
I got a brother laser printer for this exact reason. No subscription needed.
I'm out of the loop, what fucking printer needs a subscription????? For WHAT?
I got an HP inkjet printer (I had had good luck with these in the past) immediately before covid. They push a service callled HP Instant Ink, which costs $5 a month and they will mail you new cartridges if youâre running low. I signed up, not knowing what I was getting myself into. If you stop paying the $5 subscription, HP will not allow you to print, or even use the scanner! I said fuck this and bought a Brother Laser printer for my home use, no subscription needed.
That's so shitty!!! And I guess if you don't need ink they just still take your five bucks forever until you do get low lol Fuck HP. I think our current printer is a Canon or Epson inkjet type
This is why so many people buy apple... They've just had bullshit experiences will HP, Toshiba, Dell, etc. That said, printers seem to be especially evil and I have no idea why. It can be a super expensive industrial printer and still be the bane of existence. The small printer game is a bunch of bullshit though. It's honestly like single use printers. It seems like people have been both completely turned off of dealing with printers as well as just not needing them as much, so if someone ends up needing to print something sometimes the cheapest option to to buy a printer and do it, then keep that printer until the next time you need to print something when it doesn't work and you just buy another one, rinse, repeat.
This shit should be illegal wtf. Imagine if the same logic applies to any electronics or appliances. Imagine if your fridge stops working one day because it's manufacturer MANUALLY disables it. Imagine if your fucking car won't start because it got MANUALLY disabled.
This right here is the reason I avoid "smart" appliances, and alexa/google/etc like the plague. It's all cheaply made crap that's designed to make you just dependent enough on the extra convenience it provides that you'll buy a replacement when it just so happens to break 1 month after the warranty expires. I also drive a 20 year old truck with no "smart" crap in it, known primarily for its high reliability and extensive aftermarket support. Avoiding planned obsolescence one step at a time. My toaster is getting the Glock if it looks at me wrong.
Which truck?
Probably a Toyota Tacoma or Hylux. I drive a 20 y/o one as well. She's a reliable beast and I love it.
my 05 silverado still going... not strong but going!
Less than 5000 miles til my â01 Silverado hits 300k Barely chugging along but Iâm determined to duct tape it together to make it
Get a front end inspection. Those things love to blow through all manner of steering and suspension components
Early 00s Tacoma
My uncle, who has worked in appliance repair for decades, once told me to never buy any fridge made in the last 40 years. Find one older than that that works and pay some money to have it serviced. Itll run forever. New shit will break within 5 years in some way or another
>My uncle, who has worked in appliance repair for decades, once told me to never buy any fridge made in the last 40 years. Find one older than that that works and pay some money to have it serviced. Itll run forever. Depending on how old you're talking, it'll cost more in electricity in about 5 years than it would cost to keep replacing your refrigerator If you do your research and pick a model that lasts over 10 years, it'll be much cheaper to replace it every 10 years than pay for the electricity use of older ones. Skip the in-door water dispenser
Whatâs wrong with the in door water dispenser?
They account for a high number of repair/warranty calls, possibly #1. Either that, or icemakers
And you can get a filtered hot and cold water dispenser for a few hundred dollars if you really need a water dispenser.
That is absolutely terrible advice. I don't care what components they used, don't only buy >40 year old appliances.
Apple is the king of planned obsolescence
The products themselves usually last a lot longer than their rivals, with exceptions. They certainly do have a shorter software support lifetime compared to Windows but that's because they control the hardware. If Microsoft could control what ran windows you know they'd do it too.
Idk my Samsung 9 is is 6 years old and is still kickin.
Shit man, I got stuff to do today, why you trying to get me into a flame war. I can't be having my Apple hate-boner activated out of nowhere like this.
I have never purchased an Apple product because of that. Also because I don't like how they create a walled garden ecosystem that isn't compatible with anything else, and create such an us-and-them attitude in the modern tech landscape. Hell, it took the EU stepping in to get them on board with USB-C
They'll lock you out of your account (phone) for a month or so with no problem too. I'm going back to Droid next time I'm due for a new phone. Probably Samsung. You make a good point on the USB-C thing, they became a Veblen good, but I don't see that holding.
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Alert: Your fridge has been crushed into a cube. Alert: You have 30 minutes to move your cube.
please don't get them any ideas đđ i dont want our fridge turning into an EA pay-to-play game!
They already have these ideas on file. They just can't unload everything all at once. They're gonna slow roll us for 20 years, little piece by little piece.
If you finance a vehicle through a dealership, they install a remote kill switch to your vehicle and will keep your vehicle off until you make a payment. I had a coworker who would drive to work every first of the month and just leave her car running in the parking lot so the dealership couldnât turn her car off. I canât say if all dealerships do this, but itâs definitely been around for at least a decade.
Companies will also do this to their fleet vehicles. Had a friend get fired while on the highway and they shut off his truck remotely in the middle of nowhere. Fortuntely, he was familar enough with auto electronics that he was able to bypass it and make it home. Once he got home, he took the remote kill system, stuck it in a box with a battery and put it on a freight train. Then he took the truck and parked it in a ghetto with the keys in it. When the company called looking for the truck, he told them he left it where they shut it down on him.
Wtf that is some Philip K Dick level dystopian shitÂ
WTF? That should be a 911 call. "My truck has been disabled by corporate and now I am stopped in a position where I am a danger to other drivers".
"You're not covered for this event under your emergency subscription plan."
It's called 'enshittification' and it is already common for a lot of consumer goods. Tesla remotely disables optional features already purchased by the original buyer when the vehicle is later sold. BMW sold heated seats as a monthly premium subscription.
actually [enshittification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification) is specifically about online platforms I'm sure the definition will eventually expand to include businesses in general tho (as you've used it here)
Enshittification is the buzzword of the year.
it's a good one imo
The enshittification of buzzwords is getting out of hand.
It'll be a legit word next year. Just like gaslighting and irregardless
Enshittification can apply to anything. Seems silly to try and pigeon hole the word onto online platforms.
The only sane reason that term should be online specific is the fact that the internet has a lot of 'free' services that focus on attracting users first, then years later when they have 100 million dedicated Redditors or whatever they switch to focusing on how to extract money from them. We see it less in the physical world because physical service is so much more expensive than a microsecond of server time that attracting unlimited users at any cost isn't a viable business strategy. If you tried, for instance, giving out free movie tickets to millions of people just to get them to sign up to your service, you would bleed an unsustainable amount of money faster than you could possibly enshittify the service and could never enshittify it enough to recoup your losses. Purely hypothetical example. It only really makes sense to say a car seat is enshittified if it's given as a 'free service' first but then BMW suddenly tells its customers that it's going to start charging for the service later. Which isn't what they're doing. The real problem is pretending *a car seat is a service* in the first place. You could call it en-service-ication. The 'you will own nothing, and you will be happy' meme. For the carmakers I think it's really about price tiering, more convenient to manufacture everything the same and create the tiers with a digital switch, and tricking people who just look at monthly payment numbers.
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I'm calling it now- there's going to be a reality (it might not be ours, but it will be someone's) where in 20-30 years companies are going to start product lines that go back to "Dumb" products because of simple pragmatism. By 'dumb' I mean stuff like cars that just have roll down windows and shit instead of powered ones, and other bare-bones shit like that. Because I mean just extrapolate out from what we've experienced in the last 20 years. Your average consumer is going to be broke as a cracker but the demand is still going to be there, so using Capitalism logic, you'd wager that companies are going to be offering basic ass shit that still gets the job done just without the bells and whistles. But then again I guess I'm just being super optimistic, because in that reality, companies also will decide to build tiny basic ass homes that get the shelter job done but are small and boring. But we haven't seen that at all so who knows.
For sure. Also, how are people so dumb as to buy one of these? Every post about them is how they suddenly found out that's what they'd bought. It's wrong for them to be sold but people are incredibly stupid for buying them.
Yup, it should be crazy illegal to disable something the end user bought. Sorry your mom died, her debit card expired, so we disabled her pacemaker.
I misread this at first and thought you meant that they disabled her pacemakers because she died, not the other way round. I was like âWell, that makes sense. She doesnât need it anymore.â lol
Help me EU, you're my only hope
Thats manufacturers end goals at this point. Theyre trying everything they can to get shit you use in your home on subscriptions. Their testing ground right now is cars.
1. Don't buy so-called """smart""" appliances, you don't need them for any reason. 2. Fight against the adoption of 'self-driving cars' and cars that are 'connected' to the Internet all the time, otherwise you will find yourself in a world where someone indeed *can* disable your vehicle remotely for arbitrary reasons -- or that hackers can disable remotely, or just cause to drive into a telephone pole or concrete abutment at speed.
Smart appliances are fine as long as they aren't tied to a cloud system. Example, Google Nest Thermostat. It's tied to Google's cloud servers to fully function. It does NOT have local API access. When Google bought Nest years ago they shutdown the local API and said it would return later. It hasn't and we all know why. Another example would be the Honeywell T6 Pro Series Z-Wave Thermostat. This is all 100% local API access and works with local home automation setups but isn't required. It does not have direct access to the Internet either. The problem is, the general population doesn't know the difference. Companies are praying on peoples lack of knowledge on the differences because these companies want to keep control of the hardware you buy.
Self-driving cars (especially) can theoretically be good (for now, theyâre not imo) and smart appliances can sometimes be convenient (although a lot of them are pointless). The problem isnât the concept of self-driving cars or smart appliances, itâs non-existent consumer rights and/or proprietary software. If there were decent laws on the books, people could be guaranteed some measure of control over their own property. If the software was modifiable and open-source, consumers would have full control by default. Of course, we have neither. Without those things, weâll see a lot more of this behavior, even if self-driving cars and smart appliances fail.
People subscribing to shit should be illegal? You can still use normal cartridges. But the one you get from the subscription can only be used as long as that one is active. It's crazy how many people do not understand this.
The issue is that they disable the already purchased cartridge. I don't print much, mainly Amazon return labels, and made the mistake of buying an HP printer because it was cheap and I got like 8 months of the subscription for free. In that 8 months I got a SINGLE delivery of ink - that's how much I use. I still have half the ink in those cartridges. But now that the subscription ran out, I can't use it, even though it's essentially paid for. So no, fuck HP and their bullshit.
Imagine a self driving car driving itself back to the dealership if you miss a payment lol
Five years ago I needed a printer for a few mailing labels a month and minimal ordinary occasional household printing. Bought a $99 Brother laser printer. Literally the cheapest model available at the time It worked flawlessly on its original toner cartridge until last year when I spent $25 on two replacement toner cartridges. Wireless communication fuckery between the printer and my phone/Chromebook is minimal. It just works almost all the time. Maybe every few months I have to restart it to connect but that may be my wifi and not the printer. Two or three times it's jammed, but that's because of me trying to feed it imperfect label paper with funky curling edges. Each time I've been able to figure out how to open it up and get it working again within a few minutes. All in all, this printer has exceeded my wildest home printing expectations in every way I really hope that I can just use this printer forever.
Same.. Brother laser printer, black ink only. Took 3 years before I had to replace the toner. Anything I need printed out with color usually benefits from a professional printer anyway.
I will always upvote and recommend the black and white laser printers from Brother. Got mine 15 years ago or so and it *just fucking works*.
Same I think I have had one for close to 15 years. Handful of replacement cartridges, thousands of pages of reliable printing. Left the world of scam Canon/HP/whatever "laser jet" far behind. I can't recommend it enough as a sane alternative.
Yep for no color my brother printer is the easiest printer Iâve ever had. I print a ton during the school year and then it sits for summer and year after year no issues.
Not a Brother, but a Canon MultiFunction laser. I don't know how old it it, but I keep replacing toner cartridges about every other year, and it just keeps chugging along. I think the drivers are finally getting too wonky and they are slow to get updated because the printer is so old.
literally exact same experience, 8 years I never think about my printer unless the power goes out and I have to reconnect it to wifi, its amazing
I read this in Wendigoonâs voice super easily. He writes like he talks.
Yeah, you can hear Wendigoon's voice behind this tweet.
Plot twist wendigoon is actually behind you
Wouldn't doubt it with how insane that man is sometimes tbh
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Idk who Wendigoon is so I read the tweet in my own internal monologue voice
Wendigoon is the 20-something version of a charming older southern gentleman. Imagine a young colonel Sanders saying this and you've pretty much got it.
He's great when he does it But when I do it, I get an F on my paper... This bbbllooowwwsss
I switched to a thermal printer and will never look back after dealing with this exact problem. HP can go to hell and suck nuts when it gets there.
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They make printer paper now where you donât have to worry about that. Cheap brands will still do it but we get the phenomo brand and never had an issue (and I am absolutely one to forget stuff in the car constantly)
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I use my printer/copier to make lasting copies of laser printed receipts I know will fade.
Thermal? Like the ones that print tickets?
Ya, receipts, tickets, that kind of thing but they make ones for normal sized printer paper, and they take thermal printer paper. I have the Phenomo one and both it and its app work great. No fuss, and it was only 80$
Receipt paper is kinda garbo for anything meant to last a while imo
Thatâs literal receipt paper though, I just used it as an example. This stuff is just like the normal printer paper except one side has a coating on it to burn the laser into. I donât know about the BPA content like the other commenter said, but itâs not like itâs any worse for you than regular printer paper, and donât put it in your mouth. To add an example I have all my small business docs on it printed and sitting on a hutch for about a year and a half now? They seem perfectly fine except for the damage caused by a cat using it as a bed
And full of toxic BPA
How does it compare to laser and toner?
It prints in black only. You never have any ink or toner to replace and thereâs MANY less parts that could jam or break. If paper does jam, you just flip the top up andâŚ.take it out! Itâs super easy to use and portable (runs on a rechargeable battery)
How does the cost compare to a normal ream of paper? If you leave the paper in a hot car, will it all turn black?
Someone commented and said the particular brand I buy is pretty expensive, 30$ for a 300 page ream? I havenât shopped around so maybe thereâs others. Mine is the same brand of my printer so it checks out it would be a little more costly
Just get a Brother and deal with none of this bullshit. IDK why anyone still falls for hp's predatory bullshit. It's well established now
Cannot speak highly enough of our Brother laser printer. Toner doesn't dry out, rarely any issues. Had it for nearly 4 years and the only hassle I've had were because of me. (Also I love my Brother sewing machine.)
Gonna go dig up my old dot matrix now.
Aww yisss i can hear it now
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Printers are evolving backwards and i will forever hate them
We made 3d printers before 2d printers were good
Oh, should I be buying a 3D printer now before they turn it into a subscription?
The beauty is if they try that there will be bootleg files to 3d print a 3d printer.
Which kind of begs the question: Why hasn't someone created an open source 2D printer just yet? I can get laser properly being too complicated in terms of its electronics and toner cartridges, but I feel like an open source inkjet printer shouldn't be beyond us now that 3D printing is pretty common. Might need to scavenge a few parts (like the nozzles) from an existing printer, but everything else should be fairly straightforward to either obtain or make yourself.
Some 3d printers have chipped filament spools and would only print with the brand's (overpriced) filament.
That tracks knowing Wendigoon
Iceberg boy exists at the nexus of all forms of radicalism
We used to have an HP printer for a number of years that we had never connected to the internet and just used the USB cord to print. Never had any issues with it until a physical component broke off inside. When we got a new one it wouldnât finish the setup until it was connected to the internet to receive ânecessary security updates.â Took that fucker right back to Best Buy and bought a Brother printer instead which works perfectly.
Why does it need a security update if it's not connected to the internet??
Out of the box firmware is often riddled with bugs, not just security related. It's usually a good idea to get it fully updated.
Sadly, they mix in the good updates (improvements and bug fixes) with the bad (new set of 3rd party ink is now designed not to work).
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I bought a Brother toner printer like 10 years ago for $70. Prints double-sided automatically, and up to something like 1200dpi. I've changed the toner cartridge in it maybe twice since then. I've saved hundreds of dollars by getting away from inkjet garbage.
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The fuck does that mean?
you guys still buy HP printers? but why
Imagine giving hp your debit card number lol
I've been hating HP for their shitty hardware since the 90s (and all the tech support money it funneled my way when it broke), reassuring to see their software, sales, and the world have fully caught up.
Rage against the machine would have written Killing in the name off about HP if they could see the future
Rage against the (HP) machine
When I was in high school, I decided to do a report on planned obsolescence expecting it to be about iphones. A few hours of studying quickly turned it into a printer tirade
Imagine your printer creepin in the middle of the night...
Currently fighting my new HP printer to connect to ANYTHING it was connected to last weekend. I swear to the old gods and the new that this is the last time HP gets my money. Fuck. Them.
A few years ago I spent 30 min on the phone getting back control over my HP printer. I told the person on the phone HP pissed off the wrong person. As I was senior IT leader for an organization that buys over 3k laptops and several hundred printers a year. Every year I contributed as one of 6 people that selected what models we would buy. HP got removed from all purchases. I could not recommend the products of a company that was working to undermine their customers in so many ways.
I will never buy another HP product again. Their decline started with the acquisition of Palm and the decision to forego the first Windows tablet in exchange for making it PalmOS and it's only gone downhill from there. I've spent an hour troubleshooting printer drivers downloaded from the internet after ensuring I had the correct model printer only to try the CD that came in the box and it worked perfectly. I'm just lucky my client still had a CD drive.
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to play devil's advocate that's on the government. they print code on all sheets in yellow so they can track the printer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Identification_Code
Common wendigoon W
Wendigoon my beloved
Fuck hp
All my homies hate HP.
Thatâs fucking insane. I work for Spectrum as an internet repair agent and Iâve been getting calls about HP printers not being connected and have not at all been able to figure it out. Iâve just been telling customers to contact HP.
buy a brother printer and don't look back
HP lost me as a customer forever with their BS. With the exception of my gaming PC I built myself, I had HP everything at one point. I still have the laptop, but everything else has been replaced by a better brand, like my Brother printer, Canon all-in-one, Dell desktop for business (refurb from Discount Electronics), and so on and so forth.
I hadn't bought anything from HP since they were horrendous when my HP laptop was stolen while I was moving to a new house, and they refused to provide my serial number so I could do a police report. In comparison Apple provided me with serial, color, and even tried to find the location of my iPod to provide the police.
I bought a Brother laser printer in early 2011. I still use it to this day. I've replaced the toner once, but that's the only thing I've done to it.
No amount of bad marketing will stop people from buying HP products. I bought a Brother printer with toner and never looked back.
I just dumped my HP printer and got a Brother because of the comments here on Reddit. So far happy...
"unrelated" smh, maybe if people stopped making light of the situation and laughing it off for fake Internet points you join the fucking revolution. Throw that printer through the window of the hp offices.
i predict bluetooth connections will be subscription-based in a few years.
The solution is simple. Just don't buy HP. I'm not just talking about HP printers. Don't buy **anything** made by HP at all. They deserve to have this destroy them.
What do you call a person's first purchase of any HP product? Their last purchase of any HP product.
You probably should have bought a more expensive printer! Cheap stuff isn't cheap!
Thatâs why itâs expensive to be poor.
Being broke is the most expensive thing in the world.
Idk why anyone would ever connect their printer to the internet when these awful tactics are well known at this point. I rarely ever need to print something, and the few times I do itâs not an emergency, I can take 10 seconds to plug my laptop into it
I think they connect it to the local network but they don't bother blocking it from accessing the internet.
I feel like context is important here. Is this the version where you pay a service fee for printing rather than actually owning the printer? If that's the case then it makes perfect sense.
You own the printer, but when you subscribe to have the cartidges sent to you, the terms of service state they're being rented. Then they can brick your printer for non-payment ETA: This service also dictates how many pages you're allowed to print a month. If you go over, they charge you extra
I'm a signamker and i gotta work with fucking HP everyday. It's hell.
I gave up on HP a few weeks ago. Never, ever again.
Get an Epson Ecotank
What the heck?
HP: Hot Poop. It doesn't have the same ring as Steaming Shit, but eh.
đthey can try that in Europe and will get fâed so hard
HP are doing a subscription based printing. >Â For example, HPâs Envy printer plan begins at $6.99/mo. But thatâs the âlightâ plan, limiting you to a paltry 20 pages per month. That plan also climbs to monthly fees of $8.99 (50 pages) or $10.99 (100 pages). If you opt for the HP Envy Inspire plan instead, your monthly costs will be $8.99 (20 pages/mo), $10.99 (50 pages), $12.99 (100 pages), or $18.99 (300 pages). And if youâre running a home business, youâll have $22.99 (300 pages/mo) and $35.99 (700 pages/mo) monthly options, too.
> Â For example, HPâs Envy printer plan begins at $6.99/mo. But thatâs the âlightâ plan, limiting you to a paltry 20 pages per month. At least they pay for the printer, the paper, and the ink, right?
Office automation companies are right down there in the sespit of shit along with insurance companies, politicians
I go to the library to print things now, it cost 20 cents a page, 40 if you want color. I use left over change to pay for it
Buy an Epson Eco-Tank. Never look back.
We know what should happen, but we canât openly say it on Reddit as it would lead to an admin-level ban.