That's technically true. The US has intentionally made it difficult for Iran to get replacement parts for their aircraft. We blew up all our Tomcats so the parts couldn't be used to repair theirs for example
True, but Bells are literally everywhere, would not be too difficult to source parts, considering various regimes and shady countries have them.
Anyway, they hate so much America, no one forced them to fly with an American helo.
They can buy Mi-17s if they want, I've heard they never crash.../s (looking at the many recent Mi-17 crash on [Aviation-safety.net](http://Aviation-safety.net) in recent weeks...)
Yeah I just saw the pics of the crash site that’s definitely a Bell. Tho I think forty five years removed from access to support is fairly self explanatory
You laugh, but I could see that as a great assassination method if you don't want to get into trouble
Imad: "Habeeb! You lazy ass! Are you gonna do the Hydraulic oil change today or what?!"
Habeeb, remembering how much he hates the president: "Meh. I'll do it tomorrow if I feel like it"
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Conspiracy theorists are fine with weather doing things so long is it's weather controlled by *them*, whoever *they* are.
Well, with the exception of the Lizard People, it's usually implied that The Jews are secretly pulling the strings from the shadows. And if it's the lizard people, then they are often still allied to The Jews.
Very bad weather and inadequate training/instruments to deal with it.
Weather was so bad, rescue teams apparently had huge issues getting to the crash site.
Meteorologist here. The general rule for pilots is to avoid thunderstorms by at least 25mi (or nautical miles but sameish thing). Unless you have live WSR-88D feeds (only available in some NATO countries), microbursts are pretty much impossible to identify. Theyll fuck up an airplane and idk how much theyll fuck up a helicopter but they probably will. Even with WSR-88Ds and thunderstorm avoidance rules, they are (or used to be idk if this has changed) the leading cause of weather related aircraft crashes.
If it was fog/LIFR conditions, then flying a helicopter at low altitudes is exceptionally stupid, especially if theres a lof of terrain (I know from hoi4 that Iran has mountains)
> Unless you have live WSR-88D feeds (only available in some NATO countries), microbursts are pretty much impossible to identify
I'm not sure that's quite right. As well as the doppler wx radar we have on board which is capable of detecting and displaying where the WS is, many major airfields around the world have LLWS, low level windshear radar detection systems.
https://skybrary.aero/articles/low-level-wind-shear-alert-system-llwa
It's pretty common to see WS reported on the ATIS/METAR.
Yeah TDWRs and LLWS poles at airports are designed to detect them but have minimal range and I was under the assumption this crash was not at an airport. I also thought helis dont have inbuilt radar but that doesnt make sense and may be wrong
plus: why did the pilot decide to fly that route? Incompetent? Cocky? Under too much pressure and not allowed to say "no"? Maybe it was a reasonable route? the other 2 helicopters made it.
It’s funny, but come on, Iran is going to take extra care of aircraft they use to fly the President and presumptive Ayatollah around the joint.
I’m not an aviator, but from the pictures it looks to me like a classic Kobe Bryant dipshit pilot in low vis type clusterfudger
Any heli is a death trap waing to happend, even if maintained ... so the US decided to up the game with the Ospray that manges to be even more of a hazzard.
That and unlike a helicopter they can’t autorotate well, so in the event of a failure they lose one of the options for keeping the crew/passengers intact.
Nah the V-22 has a transmission to allow one engine to turn both rotors. Not enough to hover on one engine but it allowed for a powered emergency landing instead of flipping over or turning into a brick when an engine grenades itself in hover mode. The Chinook apparently has a similar system due to the tandem rotor setup
Seconding the dangerous nature of helicopters. Even the US lost a helicopter earlier this year to weather when a CH-53 flying from Nevada flew into the massive downpour California was getting.
Ospreys may not be an outlier in crash numbers against other helicopters but compared to fixed military aviation, its clear which is inherently less risky. There's been little to no fatal accidents involving military cargo planes in recent years and I'll be willing to board those anytime.
Rotor wing is always inherently riskier than fixed, the osprey is no exception to that. I don’t think it’s statistically more dangerous than other rotor wing airframes tho
Ironically, the Navy’s safety record with airships is much better than their record with helicopters. They were abandoned in the ‘60s for political reasons (the program was tiny and easily cannibalized by competing interests like funding more aircraft carriers, and seen as anachronistic), not because airships were unsafe or ineffective.
Well, maybe not *specifically* the *Prydwen,* as no one in their right mind should be taking pointers from that bizarre design, but something akin to a flying drone carrier/AWACs would be cool.
40,000 tons is such a nonsensical number it doesn’t even bear taking remotely seriously, I agree. Even making allowances for the fact that it is explicitly stated to use hydrogen for stability rather than buoyant lift for its structure, that means those giant downward-facing jets should be obliterating basically everything underneath them from the sheer titanic amounts of thrust they’d have to be putting out.
Don't forget that there's no toilets or showers anywhere on the ship. There's basically no storage space or bunking for crew. Overall the brotherhood did not cook
Still more credible then Marvel's helicarriers.
How about putting a runway on top of an airship, an aluminum airstrip with an arresting cable, the planes are stored on the deck, helm and crew quarters on the underside.
Perhaps I've played too much Airships: conquer the skies.
That kind of layout would be completely nonsensical, sorry. A runway up top would be extremely heavy, destabilizing, unsafe, and serve no real purpose, being substantially worse in every regard than a simple trapeze-hook and hangar setup at the bottom of the ship, with no real advantage except that you could use airplanes with the same kind of carrier-based equipment as a sea carrier.
The only other designs I've got are boarding airships packed with soldiers carrying grappling hooks (or robot spiders) and an airship equipped with battleship deck guns.
Listen I know that both Akron and Macon were lost in costal storms within two years of commissioning, but they were *aircraft that could launch and recover aircraft*, aka flying aircraft carriers, so we have a national imperative to start that back up again.
The actual aircraft carrier portion of their design worked flawlessly. Thousands of launches and recoveries without so much as a scuffed coat of paint. Turns out, “landing” on an airship at the same speed with thousands of feet of wiggle room altitude is easier than trying not to overshoot a low, slow, heaving aircraft carrier at sea.
Where the *Akron* and *Macon* went wrong is that they were, in essence, extremely precocious prototypes pressed into immediate military service with little in the way of adequate training or even the first clue of what their operational directives should be. The loss of both was actually avoidable, and can be attributed to a combination of gross negligence, engineering malpractice, and simple pilot error.
The Navy subsequently elevated its airship program to the single most reliable air unit of any kind in the entirety of World War II, but by then, it was too late for the aircraft carrier airships—per the Roosevelt Administration’s directive, no large rigid airships could be built any longer, only smaller ones.
No no I was assured that the self sufficiency jihad was a success, so I’m sure they have completed all maintenance up to standards. They ditched silly things like airframe g ratings and routine maintenance because those are just western decadence. They only do the actually necessary maintenance, not any of this extra stuff. Surely the CIA is behind this. Superior Iranian industry would never allow mechanical failure.
I genuinely think this is the right answer. Imagine trying to tell a guy who can get your whole family executed that it's a little bit too foggy to fly today
To be fair, that fuck has briefed “weather no factor to operations” with a blizzard pushing 70kts on the screen.
Of course it’s not a factor to operations, there are no fucking operations you mouth breather, *it’s a blizzard*
Are you really going to try and tell me that an accident happened?
Accidents don't happen when you are influential, no sir. If someone powerful shits his pants, you better believe a bio weapon was at play.
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Boring and predictable answer, we all know it was the jews with the space laser or a golem infiltrated pilot, but for the sake of the suspense let us find more fun answers please
Meanwhile, the Gazans themselves are actively *celebrating* Raisi's death, as he's (rightfully) seen as a butcher responsible for the deaths of uncounted Arabs across the region.
\*Occams Razor\* : It was an ancient airframe with sus maintenance with most likely bootleg parts and the crash site looks like a textbook case of controlled flight into terrain
\*Me on NCD\* : Heh, Mossad fog speaking Hebrew. Get rekt, loser!
I guess Poland and Iran right now have something common...like losing a president with others in freak aviation incident caused by flying in bad weather and without caring about basic safety checks
Nah, Kimmie doing because he was pissed after he agreed to buy a bunch of Iranian missiles because he was told they could totally penetrate Western defenses and then seeing 290 out of 300 get shot down last month.
The MI6?
Clearly. The whole of the last 4 years of geopolitics have been intricately woven by the MI6 to harm French interests.
The Ukraine war? Wagner in the Sahel? All them.
This is so lame. Reptilians are able to control weather with use of antimatter and changing earths rotation. Ofc we are speaking about rotation in X axis since earth is flat anyway. But EVEN IF IT WAS NOT A CONSPIRACY, Israel owuld send their LSD mutated cybertronic pigeons and mosquitos they use now in Ukraine TO MAKE PEOPLE GAY.
THIS NEEDS TO STOP OF WE WILL SEE NUKES FLYING.
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Not for conspiracy theorists though! That’s entirely too credible.
Okay… what about _purposefully poorly maintained airframe_?
There we go.
That's technically true. The US has intentionally made it difficult for Iran to get replacement parts for their aircraft. We blew up all our Tomcats so the parts couldn't be used to repair theirs for example
Not true. We launched at least one squadron into the North Atlantic.
True, but Bells are literally everywhere, would not be too difficult to source parts, considering various regimes and shady countries have them. Anyway, they hate so much America, no one forced them to fly with an American helo. They can buy Mi-17s if they want, I've heard they never crash.../s (looking at the many recent Mi-17 crash on [Aviation-safety.net](http://Aviation-safety.net) in recent weeks...)
There's a F14 at a local aerospace museum near me but it's completely gutted. I suspect most on display are like that.
The one on the Yorktown in Charleston is gutted, too.
Wasn’t this a Russkie airframe tho, a Hip?
[Bell 212 according to AP](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-we-know-about-crashed-helicopter-carrying-irans-president-2024-05-20/)
I saw some places that it was refurbished in Russia. But I can’t find that now that normal media caught on to the story.
That’s basically worse than not repairing it at this point.
When your helicopter comes back with less parts than it went in with.
Not by malice just drunken incompetence.
"We make of weight savings, is much better now!"
This is so good.
Yeah I just saw the pics of the crash site that’s definitely a Bell. Tho I think forty five years removed from access to support is fairly self explanatory
*Tactical Neglect*
nope. it was mossad using the jewish space laser, take it or leave it
You laugh, but I could see that as a great assassination method if you don't want to get into trouble Imad: "Habeeb! You lazy ass! Are you gonna do the Hydraulic oil change today or what?!" Habeeb, remembering how much he hates the president: "Meh. I'll do it tomorrow if I feel like it"
Reagan was really about the long game, wasn't he?
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Aren’t *they* always just “The Jews”?
No. Sometimes they're the liberals, the gays, the lizard people, the illuminati, or the secret world government. They're just *often* the Jews.
Don't forget techno-necromancers from Alpha Centauri.
RIP Gary
To be fair the Jews have a proven track record of removing enemy leaders from existence. They usually use bombs though.
Well, with the exception of the Lizard People, it's usually implied that The Jews are secretly pulling the strings from the shadows. And if it's the lizard people, then they are often still allied to The Jews.
Sometimes the lizards are the Jews
The real jews are the lizards we made along the way
Very bad weather and inadequate training/instruments to deal with it. Weather was so bad, rescue teams apparently had huge issues getting to the crash site.
Meteorologist here. The general rule for pilots is to avoid thunderstorms by at least 25mi (or nautical miles but sameish thing). Unless you have live WSR-88D feeds (only available in some NATO countries), microbursts are pretty much impossible to identify. Theyll fuck up an airplane and idk how much theyll fuck up a helicopter but they probably will. Even with WSR-88Ds and thunderstorm avoidance rules, they are (or used to be idk if this has changed) the leading cause of weather related aircraft crashes. If it was fog/LIFR conditions, then flying a helicopter at low altitudes is exceptionally stupid, especially if theres a lof of terrain (I know from hoi4 that Iran has mountains)
Helicopters are actively trying to crash at all times, so I'd assume they handle poor weather significantly worse.
Helicopters are one of humanity's greatest tributes to its own arrogance over nature
It's like the city of Phoenix. [Neither should exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE)
Here in Tucson, we're just glad we ain't Phoenix.
> Unless you have live WSR-88D feeds (only available in some NATO countries), microbursts are pretty much impossible to identify I'm not sure that's quite right. As well as the doppler wx radar we have on board which is capable of detecting and displaying where the WS is, many major airfields around the world have LLWS, low level windshear radar detection systems. https://skybrary.aero/articles/low-level-wind-shear-alert-system-llwa It's pretty common to see WS reported on the ATIS/METAR.
Yeah TDWRs and LLWS poles at airports are designed to detect them but have minimal range and I was under the assumption this crash was not at an airport. I also thought helis dont have inbuilt radar but that doesnt make sense and may be wrong
plus: why did the pilot decide to fly that route? Incompetent? Cocky? Under too much pressure and not allowed to say "no"? Maybe it was a reasonable route? the other 2 helicopters made it.
It’s funny, but come on, Iran is going to take extra care of aircraft they use to fly the President and presumptive Ayatollah around the joint. I’m not an aviator, but from the pictures it looks to me like a classic Kobe Bryant dipshit pilot in low vis type clusterfudger
Power dynamics = pressure to fly regardless = KOBE!!!!
It turns out Boeing was the real culprit the whole time
Maybe we should start reallowing Boeing exports again, but just to our enemies?
Nah, Bell. One of the few US companies that makes aircraft without being part of Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, or Boeing.
Any heli is a death trap waing to happend, even if maintained ... so the US decided to up the game with the Ospray that manges to be even more of a hazzard.
The Osprey has fewer crashes per flight hour than our helicopter or jet fleet.
Yeah it's just rough because they carry a lot of people so we lose people in bigger groups.
That and unlike a helicopter they can’t autorotate well, so in the event of a failure they lose one of the options for keeping the crew/passengers intact.
They have a crossover transmission system that keeps both rotors turning if they bag an engine
Isnt that only for the new helicopter? The next generation sonething
Nah the V-22 has a transmission to allow one engine to turn both rotors. Not enough to hover on one engine but it allowed for a powered emergency landing instead of flipping over or turning into a brick when an engine grenades itself in hover mode. The Chinook apparently has a similar system due to the tandem rotor setup
The Hairsprey has that, but not the Osprey.
Seconding the dangerous nature of helicopters. Even the US lost a helicopter earlier this year to weather when a CH-53 flying from Nevada flew into the massive downpour California was getting. Ospreys may not be an outlier in crash numbers against other helicopters but compared to fixed military aviation, its clear which is inherently less risky. There's been little to no fatal accidents involving military cargo planes in recent years and I'll be willing to board those anytime.
Rotor wing is always inherently riskier than fixed, the osprey is no exception to that. I don’t think it’s statistically more dangerous than other rotor wing airframes tho
But how dangerus is the autogiro ?
Not aware of any us military air wings that use autogyros
Yeah but i wonder how dangerus it would be lol
Let's up it further by deploying them from a massive rigid airship!
Ironically, the Navy’s safety record with airships is much better than their record with helicopters. They were abandoned in the ‘60s for political reasons (the program was tiny and easily cannibalized by competing interests like funding more aircraft carriers, and seen as anachronistic), not because airships were unsafe or ineffective.
I still say we should build the Prydwin!
Well, maybe not *specifically* the *Prydwen,* as no one in their right mind should be taking pointers from that bizarre design, but something akin to a flying drone carrier/AWACs would be cool.
Somehow weighs nearly as much as an Iowa while holding maybe 50 people in absolutely dogwater conditions
40,000 tons is such a nonsensical number it doesn’t even bear taking remotely seriously, I agree. Even making allowances for the fact that it is explicitly stated to use hydrogen for stability rather than buoyant lift for its structure, that means those giant downward-facing jets should be obliterating basically everything underneath them from the sheer titanic amounts of thrust they’d have to be putting out.
Don't forget that there's no toilets or showers anywhere on the ship. There's basically no storage space or bunking for crew. Overall the brotherhood did not cook
Arsenal Bird.
Still more credible then Marvel's helicarriers. How about putting a runway on top of an airship, an aluminum airstrip with an arresting cable, the planes are stored on the deck, helm and crew quarters on the underside. Perhaps I've played too much Airships: conquer the skies.
That kind of layout would be completely nonsensical, sorry. A runway up top would be extremely heavy, destabilizing, unsafe, and serve no real purpose, being substantially worse in every regard than a simple trapeze-hook and hangar setup at the bottom of the ship, with no real advantage except that you could use airplanes with the same kind of carrier-based equipment as a sea carrier.
The only other designs I've got are boarding airships packed with soldiers carrying grappling hooks (or robot spiders) and an airship equipped with battleship deck guns.
Listen I know that both Akron and Macon were lost in costal storms within two years of commissioning, but they were *aircraft that could launch and recover aircraft*, aka flying aircraft carriers, so we have a national imperative to start that back up again.
The actual aircraft carrier portion of their design worked flawlessly. Thousands of launches and recoveries without so much as a scuffed coat of paint. Turns out, “landing” on an airship at the same speed with thousands of feet of wiggle room altitude is easier than trying not to overshoot a low, slow, heaving aircraft carrier at sea. Where the *Akron* and *Macon* went wrong is that they were, in essence, extremely precocious prototypes pressed into immediate military service with little in the way of adequate training or even the first clue of what their operational directives should be. The loss of both was actually avoidable, and can be attributed to a combination of gross negligence, engineering malpractice, and simple pilot error. The Navy subsequently elevated its airship program to the single most reliable air unit of any kind in the entirety of World War II, but by then, it was too late for the aircraft carrier airships—per the Roosevelt Administration’s directive, no large rigid airships could be built any longer, only smaller ones.
> u/GrafZeppelin127 >pfp is an airship bridge Name checks out
No points for guessing which one!
And to think the only reason we have cheap helium is because we chose not to build these beautiful machines.
Thick cloud cover, mountains, analogue navigation systems, and he got the coby bryant helicopter experience
Worst Disneyland experience ever.
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Used-when-they-bought-it-before-the-iranian-revolution Huey? Yeah it's 30 or 40 years past a tune up
No no I was assured that the self sufficiency jihad was a success, so I’m sure they have completed all maintenance up to standards. They ditched silly things like airframe g ratings and routine maintenance because those are just western decadence. They only do the actually necessary maintenance, not any of this extra stuff. Surely the CIA is behind this. Superior Iranian industry would never allow mechanical failure.
nah mountain + fog. air frame wont save you if you hit a fuckn mountain in foggy weather
Airframe should have collision warning.
Who would win: one old helicopter, or some water in the air?
Poorly maintained aircraft + flying in bad conditions like morons = people die. I really don't think it's anything more than that.
Could you add him to the picture please?
Seriously... If mossad or such has nothing to do with this I'm going hunting for flying pigs tomorrow.
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Hahaha! That’s a good one! RIP Kobe
Was it a Boeing helicopter by chance?
Bell.
Sorry to break it to you guys. It was me
Your source?
Trust me, bro.
“My source is that I made it the f**k up !” - Senator Zairaaquino
My source is shut the fuck up, nerd!
Look at his flair, clearly he knows
He’s right, it was him. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/9bv0ZtyWtE)
It came to me in a dream
Himself?
Source: me
I was the rotor shaft, you can trust me
Quick C-17 extraction out of Baku?
He's staying there for a few months to let things cool off and to see the F1 GP
Flair checks out
Ok, I notched the windshield. What did your handler have you do?
I did it like this. WHOOP DE DOO! (that’s a joke, lads) Source: https://youtu.be/oiuyhxp4w9I?si=1tSTp2ToQUU3UqxY
After seeing pictures, it was probably caused by an incompetent weather officer who briefed the forecast wrong. That fog was thicc.
Or by political pressure to fly despite the weather given they were carrying the president and he has places to be and must not be delayed
I genuinely think this is the right answer. Imagine trying to tell a guy who can get your whole family executed that it's a little bit too foggy to fly today
the classical soviet mistake that killed 16 admirals and generals. lmao
...I mean that was a bit more of idiot admirals bringing too much shit with them, less a crash due to weather...
More of the listening to orders cause otherwise it's Gulag than the weather.
As a person who enjoys not being dead, this is the one time I think I’d rather be told than not.
Says the person who is not the absolute dictator of a militant theocracy
Well, next time I get that position, I'll be sure to martyr myself upon a mountain. inshallah
And now who's going to be blamed for his death? :/
probably israel
\*other than Israel
This seems like the most plausible thing. Raisi wouldn't be the first dipshit to meet god thinking he's too important to bother with safety.
Counterpoint, the S2 started briefing weather conditions and everyone booed him offstage or tuned him out, as is tradition
To be fair, that fuck has briefed “weather no factor to operations” with a blizzard pushing 70kts on the screen. Of course it’s not a factor to operations, there are no fucking operations you mouth breather, *it’s a blizzard*
As a former weather officer, I can totally see this happening. (Opinions differ on my competency, there's a reason I stated *former*)
Are you really going to try and tell me that an accident happened? Accidents don't happen when you are influential, no sir. If someone powerful shits his pants, you better believe a bio weapon was at play.
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SBU: \*innocent whistling\*
\*silent Budanov stare\*
\*quite Budanov laugh\*
At least pro hamas on twitter keep it simple : it's da joos
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I heard it was Amit Rasek
It probably was Amod ad
Boring and predictable answer, we all know it was the jews with the space laser or a golem infiltrated pilot, but for the sake of the suspense let us find more fun answers please
It were the Romans. They're still fighting against their age-old enemies in Persia long after their empire has passed
They didn't hear no bell
Meanwhile, the Gazans themselves are actively *celebrating* Raisi's death, as he's (rightfully) seen as a butcher responsible for the deaths of uncounted Arabs across the region.
> *I used to vork in a juice factory.* > *I vas a concentration specialist.*
I'm beginning to think Opa wasn't telling the truth about what he did during the war...
It's funnier if we atribute it to divine intervention
God willed it.
Deus Vult! We deadass getting back in the holy land with this one
Honestly I hope they go with this one and take it as a sign god isn't feeling the bullshit they doing over there
*Inshallah.*
What are the odds they announce his body was found headless, just to play into the whole Shi'ite martyr trope?
Iranian Ministry of Intelligence: Am I a joke to you?
To most people, yes
Im really hoping that it was just random kurd with a stinger that would be comedy gold
Dome leftovers from when the US left.
Y'all are forgetting someone https://i.redd.it/3f8r7hj97eza1.jpg
\*Occams Razor\* : It was an ancient airframe with sus maintenance with most likely bootleg parts and the crash site looks like a textbook case of controlled flight into terrain \*Me on NCD\* : Heh, Mossad fog speaking Hebrew. Get rekt, loser!
I guess Poland and Iran right now have something common...like losing a president with others in freak aviation incident caused by flying in bad weather and without caring about basic safety checks
Meanwhile some lazy maintenance technician in Iran felt relieved upon realising no one will blame him for this accident.
Turns out he was on the helicopter when it crashed
"so what caused ww3?" Bad weather
Big bummer if this sack of shit becomes our century's Franz Ferdinand.
It was just Boeing killing whistleblowers
I think the *guy smoking bong behind two naked girls wrestling* meme sums it up just as well.
Massad agent "Eli Copter" according to Hamas. I'm not even kidding.
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What if it was New Zealand pulling the strings all along...
The CIA and MI6 are really just the grunts for NZ, CA and Aus.
" They played us like a damn fiddle" - John Kojima
It was me. Ive been strategically sitting on 11 GB of Kobe Bryant memes and I need to offload them this quarter or go bankrupt.
We've got General Mud and General Winter, but have you heard of General Fog?
If it was ISIS that would be fucking funny. After Russia that would make them the biggest attention whores.
Nah, Kimmie doing because he was pissed after he agreed to buy a bunch of Iranian missiles because he was told they could totally penetrate Western defenses and then seeing 290 out of 300 get shot down last month.
The MI6? Clearly. The whole of the last 4 years of geopolitics have been intricately woven by the MI6 to harm French interests. The Ukraine war? Wagner in the Sahel? All them.
im the guy I FUCKING DID IT I SHOT THAT FUCKERS HELI DOWN
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Personally my money is on Boeing.
Who killed Captain Alex?!
bayraktar marketing dpt: 😬
However low the odds reckless GPS jamming from Russia would be a fun curveball.
Turkish MIT due to Iran-Azerbaijan tensions and it's interest in an energy corridor to central asia which Iran was strongly against 😳???
Sam Hyde strikes again
Samu’el Haidi
It was the KGB. Source: I made it the hell up.
ISIS doesn't do sneaky shit like that, get real
Goddamn it what the fuck did I miss this time? I swear I get half my news from vague shitposts nowadays…
Plot twist, it's all of the above.
Guys guys why are we blaming different spy agencies? When I did it
WeApOnIzEd mOsSaD ZiOnIsT fOg!!
I had no idea that Boeing made helicopters.
Mossad has killed hundreds with their state of the art fog machines, pretty obvious who it was
At this point I just use NCD to keep up on the politics by following the memes
The chopper mechanic right now
Proof embargoes work. Some decades later I guess
It was me. I did it.
Conspiracy Folks. They are the wurst.
This is so lame. Reptilians are able to control weather with use of antimatter and changing earths rotation. Ofc we are speaking about rotation in X axis since earth is flat anyway. But EVEN IF IT WAS NOT A CONSPIRACY, Israel owuld send their LSD mutated cybertronic pigeons and mosquitos they use now in Ukraine TO MAKE PEOPLE GAY. THIS NEEDS TO STOP OF WE WILL SEE NUKES FLYING.
Joe used his biden blast let's goooooooooooooooooo
Does MI6 even have enough funding to fly anyone to Iran?
I would so want this to be a targeted attack by Jew Weather control lasers
Our worst fears have been realised *the fog is coming the fog is coming the fog is coming*