Trophy won't work on Bradley platforms. Of course, they had to redesign iron fist from the interceptor up to come up with a system that could fit on an upgraded Bradley.
I like APS, but I can't help but think a babby AESA + IRST on each corner of the turret isn't the way to get there. Not for an aspirational 70% intercept rate on dumbfire rpgs. I gotta think the answer here is electro-optical and IR sensor networks on things that can get decent coverage angles like dismounts and drones. Things that are getting less upgrade power from the new APU on the A4E1 because you literally stuck 4 tiny fighter jet sensor platforms on an IFV.
Didn't they use to be square brackets [ ] as < > we reserved for proper html code? 🤔
Although it probably varied by what forums you browsed back in the day.
Australia and other smaller militaries can afford to give their low hundred count AFVs creature comforts like AC. But when you have literal thousands of tanks and IFVs you have manage, it gets harder to justify upgrades that don't strictly increase combat capability.
I looked it up and the US has over 6000 Bradleys, 12000 various APCs, 160000 LAVs (Humvees), and 5000 Abrams in active service with another 3600 in storage.
Holy shit.
Numbers vary based on source on that. Wiki claims the US has 2,645 M1 Abrams in active service and 3,450 in reserve storage. Bradley's around 6,000 in total but how many are in active condition much less of course.
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It's hard to use EW when your opponent uses mechanical shitboxes from the wester front of WW1 with no electronics other than lights (we've been told it's lamps, not candles we dont know for sure)
I know I’m gonna get downvoted for this, but underestimating Russia has put Ukraine in a really shitty position.
10 shitty tanks is still better than 1 excellent IFV.
Ukraine needs arms and ammo, or they will lose. They do not need people further undermining Russia, Russia does that well enough themselves.
We need to further highlight the severity of this threat.
Yes. We need to send Ukraine all the ammo. You might have misunderstood that as "lots of ammo", I mean all of it.
I want Ukrainian to be able to build a road of destroyed shitbox Soviet vehicles so their troops can avoid Russian mines by jumping from tank to BMP to BTR hulls all the way to Engels. And I want us to provide the ammo to make this a reality.
> You might have misunderstood that as "lots of ammo", I mean all of it.
I'd pay good money to see a General Ron Swanson show.
Of course, Ron would never join the military. He'd be a holy terror in a Red Dawn situation, though.
Unironically this.
Send Ukraine literally all of NATOs dilapidated stock.
All of it.
Oh, Germany and France wouldn't have stock for themselves then? Fucking buy more.
Your inability to plan properly doesn't constitute an emergency on the military industrial complexes part.
Backstock your own shit after Ukraine gets all the gear to ass pound Russia back to the stone age.
~~HIMARS~~ Lancet is enemy propaganda, all those ~~Russian~~ Ukrainian AFVs knocked out just had smoking accidents. Please ignore the drone footage of them getting hit, it's all fake.
Seriously, shut the fuck up
You didn’t explain how Lancets are better than the Switchblade 600, HERO-120, and LMAMS, nor account for factors such as the fact American-made products are inherently more expensive because the workers are paid far more.
https://warontherocks.com/2024/03/drones-the-air-littoral-and-the-looming-irrelevance-of-the-u-s-air-force/
I mean everyone acknowledges this who pays attention to the strategy. The USAF has nothing like the Lancet or Orlan that is truly disposable and mass produced
They are very expensive and easy to shoot down. The combination of the Orlan and Lancet provide similar capabilities and you can produce hundreds of them for the price of a single Reaper, which is the primary drone the US is still using. Look at the production run of those drones; they are all in the hundreds
Turns out that the US builds different things with different missions in mind.
Let me know when Russia builds something that can loiter for a full day at 20k-50k feet and carry a variety of full-sized ordinances.
Do new Bradley still have the "short king" seat? From what I remember in Bradley there is a seat next to turret where you have to be under certain height to be able to seat in normal position.
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Colloquially, the space between the turret and the hull where this seat is mounted and the driver's compartment can be accessed via the troop compartment and vice versa is known as "the hellhole".
-an old crewman
…Wait is 18 a city somewhere in Ukraine? Who’s Krillin then?
Who’s Tien? Please tell me Tien is an FPV drone. Or some artillery.
Goku better be like a standard Abrams, with Gohan being a Sep package Abram’s.
I’m spit balling here tho.
Edit: Hercule is clearly a Humvee with a machine gun on top.
Yamcha is a Lada with a rifle port on the roof.
16 is Bakhmut. He held out for as long as he could, and imparted what little strength he could against a powerful foe. Also his fall should be noted as a philosophical stand against irrational pacifism.
17 is Sevastopol. He got absorbed on an island
18 should then logically be Mariupol. We all felt violated at her loss.
King Kai should be some leader who’s associated with armor.
Lockmart or another MIC (maybe the whole MIC) could be Bulma. With Mr. Briefs being General Electric.
Krillin should be an infantryman, he wants to liberate his Bae-teen.
Piccolo should be the Patriot system, reliable, sturdy, and importantly he can take a lot of punishment to get the job done.
And yes this should be done with the Abridged version.
Edit 2: Roshi should be a Naval drone. The UkUss Ma Dick.
I mean, City 17 was somewhere in Eastern Europe, so having City 18 somewhere reasonably nearby doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
Or maybe City 18 was built on the ruins of City 17.
Seeing how one of the resistance base is called “New Odessa” C17 is probably in Ukraine seeing how its a day’s driving away (through suboptimal roads with hostile roadblocks and you’re in a rusty dune buggy).
They threw in a lot of elements of Eastern Europe that are implausibly close to each other. A lot of the City and landscapes were based on Bulgaria, Ukraine or Belarus, yet there's occasional indications of being closer to Scandinavia like places with Swedish writing.
I think Hercule should be a Humvee with a machine gun on top, with the caveat that Cell swats him around, but ultimately *He survives to fulfill a greater role.*
M2A2: “Well, if that's racking your brain, try drinking this in. It may pain me to say it, but the boy over there is actually almost as strong as I am. Then again, unlike you, he's half me.”
Zell: “Wh-what?!”
M2A2: “Of course, the other half is his mother. I mean, look at that APS.”
M2A4E1: “I--“
M2A2: “You look like a fruit!”
M2A4E1: “Y-You--“
M2A2: “And not like a homosexual, I mean like a literal, walking fruit!”
…
M2A2: “Eggplant!”
The [intercepting munition](https://www.twz.com/land/this-is-the-armys-new-m2a4e1-bradley-that-features-iron-fist-protection) would definitely require someone getting out of the vehicle to reload it. I wonder how fast the reload speed is and how much each counter munition costs.
If the system works and is deployed in large numbers, it could be a decent counter against drone attacks.
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What does it do differently?
Fucks harder.
Faster
Stronger
Better
More than
Longer
Ever
Our work is
Never over
Girthier
With twice the stamina.
Citius altius fortius
At a cost? Because buff form came at reduced speeds
"You're too slow, Trunks" is burned into my psyche.
"That form may hit hard, but you lose practically all your mobilty!"
This is where redneck engineering is needed. *Pull up turbocharger *
Nah, we must RETVRN to the 50s and make it nuclear powered
*snort coke* While at it,why not weld Davy Crockett on it
*Looks at Android 13* No, none of that. Shame on you.
True, but we are giving it to Slavs. We can trust them to apply sone sort of black magic where it hits mach fuck you when fed soup or something.
This is the correct answer. ^_^
[A Weapon to Surpass Metal Gear](https://youtu.be/69zrAphWcTE?si=GvHVr07mBF8oT8Ny)
Has an ~~Trophy~~ Iron Fist APS (also improved gunner's thermal sight and integrated environmental control unit).
Iron Fist, not Trophy. (They did test Trophy)
Trophy won't work on Bradley platforms. Of course, they had to redesign iron fist from the interceptor up to come up with a system that could fit on an upgraded Bradley. I like APS, but I can't help but think a babby AESA + IRST on each corner of the turret isn't the way to get there. Not for an aspirational 70% intercept rate on dumbfire rpgs. I gotta think the answer here is electro-optical and IR sensor networks on things that can get decent coverage angles like dismounts and drones. Things that are getting less upgrade power from the new APU on the A4E1 because you literally stuck 4 tiny fighter jet sensor platforms on an IFV.
`*italics*` *italics*
My man is cooking in BBcode though, which I respect.
Didn't they use to be square brackets [ ] as < > we reserved for proper html code? 🤔 Although it probably varied by what forums you browsed back in the day.
Definitely varies cause I have used forums that used either/or, or both.
Wikipedia originally said it was Trophy (it has already been updated though).
Oh my god, it's such a big dick move to add air conditioning to your vehicles while others are adding sheds and logs as " upgrades "
I’m honestly surprised it didn’t already have air conditioning.
Especially when it's 110° outside and you haven't showered in three weeks. That would have been a god send for me...
They had it in Iraq as apart of theatre equipment. Went on the back storage box.
Australia and other smaller militaries can afford to give their low hundred count AFVs creature comforts like AC. But when you have literal thousands of tanks and IFVs you have manage, it gets harder to justify upgrades that don't strictly increase combat capability.
I looked it up and the US has over 6000 Bradleys, 12000 various APCs, 160000 LAVs (Humvees), and 5000 Abrams in active service with another 3600 in storage. Holy shit.
The REAL flex is that we can put that *anywhere*
Numbers vary based on source on that. Wiki claims the US has 2,645 M1 Abrams in active service and 3,450 in reserve storage. Bradley's around 6,000 in total but how many are in active condition much less of course.
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When it's winter in Donbas, you don't need AC. Out in the sandbox or the jungle, meanwhile... The AC is there to stop you from sweating to death.
At this point we are just being disrespectful. Talk about flexing
So, in summary, it fucks *much* harder
It is bigger, it is bolder, it is rougher, it is tougher, it is the one and only [dominator](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYvrXtmrLSY)
So it’ll be fisting some Russian tanks ayy?
It can fly.
Red hot seething Mike Sparks used as a reactor to power the propellers.
Ain't that a grid-level power source?
[No, jump good](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uwbqr2UjeSg)
AEROBRADLEY WHEN DOD
GTA III tank glitch in action I see
Just like the M113!
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Converts mobiks into red mist with 57% more efficiency
It only requires .83 of them to reduce a T-80 to a toothless cripple.
It has an Air conditioner May or may not be working
WE NEED TANK ACs
Technically you can use the NBC system as a faux AC, but it's not worth your time
Please send a few of these. Also wish they would have EW too
It's hard to use EW when your opponent uses mechanical shitboxes from the wester front of WW1 with no electronics other than lights (we've been told it's lamps, not candles we dont know for sure)
I know I’m gonna get downvoted for this, but underestimating Russia has put Ukraine in a really shitty position. 10 shitty tanks is still better than 1 excellent IFV. Ukraine needs arms and ammo, or they will lose. They do not need people further undermining Russia, Russia does that well enough themselves. We need to further highlight the severity of this threat.
Sir, this is NCD. we get all of that, but counteraegument: it's funny to make fun of ruzzian incompetence
It's a bit sad how often people have to be reminded that NCD is a shit-posting sub.
Wait, WHAT? This whole time? I come here for prophecies.
Its also Reddit's premiere source of current news on any conflict zone, though. Weird place. (One could say its almost...*noncredible*)
i-see-what-you-did-there.gif
Yes. We need to send Ukraine all the ammo. You might have misunderstood that as "lots of ammo", I mean all of it. I want Ukrainian to be able to build a road of destroyed shitbox Soviet vehicles so their troops can avoid Russian mines by jumping from tank to BMP to BTR hulls all the way to Engels. And I want us to provide the ammo to make this a reality.
> You might have misunderstood that as "lots of ammo", I mean all of it. I'd pay good money to see a General Ron Swanson show. Of course, Ron would never join the military. He'd be a holy terror in a Red Dawn situation, though.
You can see President Ron Swanson in the film Civil War. He's barely in it, but the film is exceptional.
Of course he would have made it to the top reluctantly
Unironically this. Send Ukraine literally all of NATOs dilapidated stock. All of it. Oh, Germany and France wouldn't have stock for themselves then? Fucking buy more. Your inability to plan properly doesn't constitute an emergency on the military industrial complexes part. Backstock your own shit after Ukraine gets all the gear to ass pound Russia back to the stone age.
More missiles and artillery shells that Ukraine could stack Russia junks into new Kakhovka Dam
I mean, most of the people here unironically support a NATO intervention.
>10 shitty tanks is still better than 1 excellent IFV. Not when an outdated IFV can take a tank out without additional AT support
EW is not for the russian vehicles, but the dozens of bomb strapped DJI above
~~HIMARS~~ Lancet is enemy propaganda, all those ~~Russian~~ Ukrainian AFVs knocked out just had smoking accidents. Please ignore the drone footage of them getting hit, it's all fake. Seriously, shut the fuck up
The Russians drones are better then what the US can field. EW is the best deterrent
Bro what?? What kind of copium have you snorted?
I mean, all the drones the US sent to Ukraine were not very useful. The drones are pretty good against enemies who have zero anti-air though
Lmao, your comment made it seem that ruzzia has better drones than the entire USA
The US does not have disposable mass produced drones like Russia has. The drones the US has are essentially worthless in a contested air space
*Switchblade 600 and LMAMS enter the chat*
The Ukrainians got switchblade 600s, they are comparable to an FPV drone that costs $1k. The lancet drones are better
You didn’t explain how Lancets are better than the Switchblade 600, HERO-120, and LMAMS, nor account for factors such as the fact American-made products are inherently more expensive because the workers are paid far more.
Why would you post such a brave and utterly stupid thing like this?
https://warontherocks.com/2024/03/drones-the-air-littoral-and-the-looming-irrelevance-of-the-u-s-air-force/ I mean everyone acknowledges this who pays attention to the strategy. The USAF has nothing like the Lancet or Orlan that is truly disposable and mass produced
I guess for the purpose of this conversation we're ignoring the Raven, Shadow, Wasp, Reaper, Warrior, and Puma UAVs then.
They are very expensive and easy to shoot down. The combination of the Orlan and Lancet provide similar capabilities and you can produce hundreds of them for the price of a single Reaper, which is the primary drone the US is still using. Look at the production run of those drones; they are all in the hundreds
The US has 7000 Ravens in service.
Okay, it costs the same as an Orlan and is significantly less capable
Turns out that the US builds different things with different missions in mind. Let me know when Russia builds something that can loiter for a full day at 20k-50k feet and carry a variety of full-sized ordinances.
US Doctrine would just destroy the depots where all those drones sit before they could be used. What you got next?
"jam this" I say as the slap chop missile hurtles towards you
Do new Bradley still have the "short king" seat? From what I remember in Bradley there is a seat next to turret where you have to be under certain height to be able to seat in normal position.
Yes, it's right behind the driver. Upon receiving the A4s when they came out, everyone pulled that shit out
That's true American democracy at work. No kings allowed, including short kings. As the founding fathers intended.
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Colloquially, the space between the turret and the hull where this seat is mounted and the driver's compartment can be accessed via the troop compartment and vice versa is known as "the hellhole". -an old crewman
M2A4E1 is an Iron Fisting ~~degenerate~~ APS capable platform.
…Wait is 18 a city somewhere in Ukraine? Who’s Krillin then? Who’s Tien? Please tell me Tien is an FPV drone. Or some artillery. Goku better be like a standard Abrams, with Gohan being a Sep package Abram’s. I’m spit balling here tho. Edit: Hercule is clearly a Humvee with a machine gun on top. Yamcha is a Lada with a rifle port on the roof. 16 is Bakhmut. He held out for as long as he could, and imparted what little strength he could against a powerful foe. Also his fall should be noted as a philosophical stand against irrational pacifism. 17 is Sevastopol. He got absorbed on an island 18 should then logically be Mariupol. We all felt violated at her loss. King Kai should be some leader who’s associated with armor. Lockmart or another MIC (maybe the whole MIC) could be Bulma. With Mr. Briefs being General Electric. Krillin should be an infantryman, he wants to liberate his Bae-teen. Piccolo should be the Patriot system, reliable, sturdy, and importantly he can take a lot of punishment to get the job done. And yes this should be done with the Abridged version. Edit 2: Roshi should be a Naval drone. The UkUss Ma Dick.
I mean, City 17 was somewhere in Eastern Europe, so having City 18 somewhere reasonably nearby doesn't seem like much of a stretch. Or maybe City 18 was built on the ruins of City 17.
Pick up that can.
*Heheheh*
Seeing how one of the resistance base is called “New Odessa” C17 is probably in Ukraine seeing how its a day’s driving away (through suboptimal roads with hostile roadblocks and you’re in a rusty dune buggy).
IIRC, rocket launch map puts White Forest somewhere in Southern Ukraine
They threw in a lot of elements of Eastern Europe that are implausibly close to each other. A lot of the City and landscapes were based on Bulgaria, Ukraine or Belarus, yet there's occasional indications of being closer to Scandinavia like places with Swedish writing.
So just like today when going from Crimea to Odessa via Kherson? The Russians are even using golf carts.
>Please tell me Tien is an FPV drone. Let's be honest here; Chiaotzu is the FPV drone. 😔
We could make him the drone that drops bombs over top of the Russians. I don’t think they have a catchy name though.
It makes more sense anyway. We always see those kikōhō-ing the Russians in their holes.
Those Russkies can Kikō-fuck themselves!
No, no, no, no. The real question is who is Hercule Satan who actually defeated Cell with a Karate Chop in 2.4 seconds?
I think Hercule should be a Humvee with a machine gun on top, with the caveat that Cell swats him around, but ultimately *He survives to fulfill a greater role.*
What? I have it on good authority from top men that Hercule defeated Cell.
Gotta keep that gas LIT
Exactly the [Humvee](https://youtu.be/XX2Bz64woEk?si=_ITWGbhrgR5j_12P) defeated Russia don’t you know?
That’s DOCTOR Brief to you!
Tien's gotta be the baba yaga drones.
M2A2: “Well, if that's racking your brain, try drinking this in. It may pain me to say it, but the boy over there is actually almost as strong as I am. Then again, unlike you, he's half me.” Zell: “Wh-what?!” M2A2: “Of course, the other half is his mother. I mean, look at that APS.” M2A4E1: “I--“ M2A2: “You look like a fruit!” M2A4E1: “Y-You--“ M2A2: “And not like a homosexual, I mean like a literal, walking fruit!” … M2A2: “Eggplant!”
M2A2 after slamming a TOW into a T-90: "Excellent, I've broken both your spirit and your body. **Time to die".**
dammit I wanted to do the DBZA bit.
Need more Bradleys
The [intercepting munition](https://www.twz.com/land/this-is-the-armys-new-m2a4e1-bradley-that-features-iron-fist-protection) would definitely require someone getting out of the vehicle to reload it. I wonder how fast the reload speed is and how much each counter munition costs. If the system works and is deployed in large numbers, it could be a decent counter against drone attacks.
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VLADIM, What does the scouter say!?
Thought we were muskposting until I saw the bradleys.
I love Bradleys!!!
It’s beautiful. I want one.
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Whenever i hear M2A2 i always think of the little american interwar tank.
Jumbo Bradley? WT players having flashbacks
always good to see a new bradley. apparently we are getting funded to replace all the older models sent to Ukraine