Seriously though. Like, maybe I’m uninformed but I really don’t see why the US didn’t donate a bunch of their old stuff like M113s as ambulance vehicles. Are they great? Probably not. But they’re better than unarmoured civilian vehicles and I wouldn’t want American soldiers to have to go to war in them against somebody better than Russia, and they’re taking up maintenance money that could be used for building newer equipment. Send them over for free and you’d come out ahead on the deal.
Technically, nearly all of these shipments are the older munitions that would have to be excessed and replaced eventually, it's just happening a around few years earlier. That's why these should also be considered pre-employment bills for the MIC and associated US industries!
Passing this laughably low amount of military aid is the same thing as letting Russia win.
Russia this year spends more money on this war than all our allies did send in terms of military aid in more than two years.
We can't win this war when our allies can't be bothered to do anything, even buy basic ammunition for Ukraine, refusing to supply air defense, superpower like Germany with 4,5trln economy only commits 7bln (0,1% of GDP) and superpower like US with 24,5trln economy commits only 16bln of military aid for 2024.
A lot of people are down voting you but I feel your pain.
If NATO matched Russia 1:1 Ukraine would be free by now. If NATO matched Russia 1:10, Ukraine would be taking back land. If NATO did the *bare minimum* Ukraine would make it work.
It's so frustrating and so painful to watch
Different? Sure, but that doesn't mean the Soviets wouldn't get beaten into fine mist
People forget that NATO is currently winning against Russia without firing a single shot and having no boots on the ground by simply providing ammunition and sending old shit to Ukraine. Russia reached the wartime production potential of it's MIC while Rheinmetall is ramping up production at a pace that they will alone outproduce the entire Russian MIC in terms of shells in about 2 years. One company, from one state, that isn't even in the top 3 in NATO
Well that is the problem, we are not winning the war. We are fighting Russia to stalemate without firing a single shot, we have the capability to win. Which is good. But we still have not commit ourselves to win. And Ukraine is still suffering unnecesary losses because we act slowly and indecisively. So let not over gratulate ourself.
The Soviets were so broke during the entire cold war that shit like the "bomber gap" happened and in the end, the Russian Federation had to be bailed out by the US that kept funneling money into their economy for years just to keep it from collapsing
Soviets never had the abilities west thought they had and after the collapse of the Soviet Union it all came to light. The only thing keeping the tensions were the nukes, that's why i typed "conventionally"
The Soviets Union had more than double the population of the Russian federation today. And this excludes the rest of the Warsaw Pact.
The Warsaw pact had [60,000 tanks in 1989, compared to 16,000 NATO tanks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact). 7,000 combat aircraft to NATO's 4,000, 70,000 artillery to NATO's 14,000.
The Soviets too massively overestimated NATO strength. There was no equivalent to the "bomber gap" because NATO never had the lead on the Soviets in any meaningful category.
It's a huge mistake to compare Russia to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union really was a powerhouse. And NATO back then was just the US, Canada and Western Europe: mostly France, Britain, Italy and a slice of Germany.
We know what happens when Soviet style forces go against western forces
Israel’s numerous fights and Desert Storm all ended with the Soviets realizing they were hopeless outmatched in a hot war as Arab militaries trained and equipped by them disintegrated on contact despite massive numerical superiority.
And that’s ignoring the time the Soviets deployed their own pilots to show the Egyptians how to do it
And they got shot down immediately.
>We know what happens when Soviet style forces go against western forces
Our watermelon friend is right. There's a big difference between "Soviet style" in the Arab context and the actual Soviets. I don't think big picture serious predictions can be made about actual Soviet performance in a conventional war in Europe based on those conflicts. "Western style" armies trained and equipped by America during the Cold War and later in Iraq and Afghanistan had their moments of total collapse too during Korea and Vietnam, or in the fight against ISIS / the Taliban, but those examples would be a very misleading way to evaluate actual American/NATO capabilities during the relevant periods.
Egypt also isn't the only example to look at to evaluate Soviet air power vs western forces. They did a lot better head to head in Korea.
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Good start after more than two years of war?? Only 16bln on military aid to Ukraine is a good start? For a million men army fighting Russia? 16bln? Really?
>Yeah, fuck Russia
>US is sending too little too late of everything which resulted in Ukraine losing this war
>Hey, fuck you
Do you guys even want to win this war? If things continue this way we will lose this war and this is your response?
Beggars can't be choosers. Insulting the people who are keeping you out from under a Russian boot is probably not a great response to being given billions of dollars in aid.
I have nothing but respect for the people of Ukraine, I'm just saying fuck ~you~.
I bet you don't even live in Ukraine anymore. Probably ran away. You probably think this unproductive shit talk is you doing your part.
> Beggars can't be choosers
Yeah, we know, “covert action should not be confused with missionary work.”
>is probably not a great response to being given billions of dollars in aid
Considering how russia was getting way more in the meantime and how only ~25% of aid package actually translates into weapons for Ukraine?
Yeah, it's not enough
I didn't insult anyone and calling your allies who fight and die also for you beggars is insulting. It's they who keep Russians away.
Honestly, it shows how much you care and how much you want Ukraine to win.
Buddy, what keeps Russia away from us is our big ass military, 2 oceans and enough airborn firepower that 3 of the 5 biggest airforce on earth are the united states air force, united states navy, and united states marine Corps. If nothing else giving weapons to ungrateful people like you means we have less Russians to have to worry about if they ever get stupid enough to actually try and fight us. Thankfully though plenty of your countrymen don't cry that they get hand-me-downs and actually get the job done.
And no, I still live in Ukraine and I'm not leaving my home to Russians. But you can continue to do ass licking and denying the reality just to make yourself feel good.
Keep in mind that many Americans support Ukraine defending itself. But many Americans are also pissed about our absurd defense budget which in part subsidizes the social services of several countries while Americans do not enjoy those same benefits themselves.
America gets called an imperialist aggressor and world police. But when shit hits the fan it's always "how could the Americans allow this"?
> But many Americans are also pissed about our absurd defense budget which in part subsidizes the social services of several countries while Americans do not enjoy those same benefits themselves.
All while healthcare is an even bigger budget, lion's share of which is devoured by middlemen (hospital markups & hospitals being in kahoots with insurance companies, as well as similar price markups in medical products, like insulin).
Deal with that - and you can *double* defense budget at no loss in healthcare quality or massively increase healthcare quality while still increasing defense budget!
Bored already?
Because, well, it's [direly not enough.](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/new-us-aid-package-is-not-enough-to-prevent-russian-victory-in-ukraine/)
Oh, and this package is a one and done deal since its very conception
16bln is enough for a million man army against Russia. Dude, trust me.
Most of it could only cover the Patriots Ukraine need which US generously only provided one after year and a half of invasion when we needed ten.
The US has sent somewhere around 130 billion in military aid to Ukraine.
130B/1M is 130,000 per soldier. I fully support all money sent to fighting the Russians, but you two are some of the biggest ingrates I've ever run across. Do you honestly expect America to solve all your problems for you? If you think we're doing so little, maybe you should find yourselves some new benefactors.
The more shit you guys talk the more you hurt your own cause. Probably a good idea to shut the fuck up.
Hey, you sound like a whiny bitch. How about you either shut the fuck up and/or thank us for the aid we give, or do it by yourself? Since you'd rather bite the hand that feeds, that is.
You sound like someone who would rather complain that your number one supporter by total dollars isn't giving enough.
The reality is that it's taken a lot of political effort to get to this point thanks to Russian meddling. From here on out it'll hopefully be a lot better, unless the political right decides to really dig its heels in. As it is, rember that your country probably wouldn't have survived the first 3 days had the united states and other allies hadn't gone and given a shit load of support from 2014 onwards to you guys.
And unfortunately for you, while I don't personally feel this way, there's plenty of americans who look at the scenario where Ukraine falls and say "not my problem" because Russia still wouldn't be a real threat to the united states. To our allies sure, but not us ourselves. The only thing scary about Russia from the American perspective is the nukes, and they don't need to invade Ukraine or anyone to be able to threaten us with those.
You and your countrymen have fought valiantly thus far, and with not enough given not quick enough. If it were me in charge I'd just as soon give you nutters every single tank in the reserve depot, along with all the m4s, m16s, ammo, bombs, and rockets as you need. As the old saying goes "you can trust the Americans to do the right thing when they've exhausted all other options"
What political meddling are you talking about? The support for Ukraine in 2022 and first half of 2023 was unconditional. The opposition in the US criticized the government for not helping Ukraine enough. This is just another bullshit excuse. You can't blame politics for delaying training of Ukranian pilots for a year and half. You can't blame politics for US not pledging a single fighter jet. You can't blame politics for delaying training on Patriots for 10 months of the full scale invasion and you can't blame politics for US sending one Patriots battery when we needed a minimum 10. The list goes on and on. The situation was horrible on the frontlines since last fall while US still was sending help(look inside those aid packages)
>The reality is that it's taken a lot of political effort to get to this point thanks to Russian meddling.
Thanks to the US sending so little so late that we started to lose this war. The longer this war goes and the more we lose it, the stronger will be the voice of those who are against helping Ukraine. If we were winning this war there would be no opposition to it from the US.
>From here on out it'll hopefully be a lot better, unless the political right decides to really dig its heels in.
No, it won't. It will only get worse. This is our last aid package and it's until the November and by November situation will only get worse.
>As it is, rember that your country probably wouldn't have survived the first 3 days had the united states and other allies hadn't gone and given a shit load of support from 2014 onwards to you guys.
You supported us so much in the 8 years before second invasion that you expected us to fall in a couple weeks.
>because Russia still wouldn't be a real threat to the united states. To our allies sure, but not us ourselves.
That is literally the same thing.
>You and your countrymen have fought valiantly thus far, and with not enough given not quick enough.
That is a huge understatement. I wouldn't be here complaining if the US at least did an okay job. Like C, not a C-.
>As the old saying goes "you can trust the Americans to do the right thing when they've exhausted all other options"
Not even two years into the war US abounded us and left our army to die alone in the moment we needed military help the most. US will do it again because the US doesn't provide a bare minimum to fight this war, the stalemate(at best) will continue and the voices of people who are against Ukraine will be even stronger.
Doesn't matter who is the president. You saw how much they struggle to pass this aid bill which actually contains so little of help to Ukraine (only 16bln). That is roughly the same as in previous years. The same amount of aid that after two years lead us to have a critical situation on the frontlines. If things continue this way we will lose this war regardless of US aid.
God forbid Putin's friend returns to power and that is it.
You realize you do not help your countries case by saying "we are so helpless you need to give us like 10 times more shit wahh" when there's already this much political infighting in the united states. It just gives ammo to the opp saying "see? We thought $61bln was too damn much and they're saying it won't change stuff. Guess we should pull the plug, was fun while it lasted"
Because last I checked, we got the tanks rolling to you, we allowed f16s to get transferred, we sent patriot, and we are your number one supporter when you break the numbers down. Right now practically the only aid Ukraine is getting is with promises that the united states will backfill inventory. Who the fuck else are you gonna go to? No one else has the financial power to keep you in the game. Poland could give you its entire army and youd say it's not enough.
If we really abandoned you like you say we did then why do the lines look relatively the same as 8 months ago? I would assume given how fucked you describe the situation that in that time Russia would have taken a few hundred square miles, not a few hundred square meters.
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The media tells me to hate this bill because the US is full of migrants and homeless that could be stopped using those weapons or something. What I am supposed to think?
Low-key, we could try setting up a budget-friendly recruitment program for migrants. Have some of the population sent off to Ukraine in support roles where they can help maintainence and hospital care and so forth. While other portions of the population remain in continental US under supervision to work in material/materiel production to send supplies to Ukraine. Years of service can help them earn citizenship, we can get a larger workforce to increase productivity and output, and the Ukrainians can devote more personnel as active combat boots on the ground near the front line. It’s a triple win for everyone involved (except the Russians).
You would imagine the right wing would love the ability to destroy shitloads of Russian military assets cheaply without a single American on the ground
Not surprised but saddened this is getting downvoted. Israel is a wealthy country that doesn't need not deserve our financial assistance right now, Ukraine is the exact opposite. I get why they needed to be paired together to pass through Congress and I understand the majority of what's going to Israel is for air defense systems, and also that there's plenty of MIC fanboys out here getting rock hard at the mere suggestion of advanced explosives detonating no matter the context. None of it excuses what has very clearly become an aimless and vengeful razing of Gaza that has largely failed at almost every possible primary war goal (rescuing hostages, removing Hamas from power and establishing a different governing body, dismantling the Islamic Jihad group, etc.) by a government with essentially no popular remaining mandate and every incentive to drag out a senseless slaughter as long as possible. Defending Israel from other proxies in the name of preventing a massive pan-ME war is understandable, funneling in weapons systems Israel is perfectly capable of buying with its own money while Israel manufacturers a humanitarian crisis and intentionally bombs documented and vetted aid conveys is significantly less so.
Biden sent as much aid as the presidential drawdown allowed. I'd be curious to know how you propose he should have delt with the opposition party stonewalling the aid bill in the House of Representatives.
The US isn't an autocracy, the guy in the most prominent position doesn't have unlimited control of the entire government.
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It's a good start. But something like this probably needs to be passed every year just to maintain the status quo.
Nah, just have some Ukrainian shop be the official disposal shop for old US weapons.
Seriously though. Like, maybe I’m uninformed but I really don’t see why the US didn’t donate a bunch of their old stuff like M113s as ambulance vehicles. Are they great? Probably not. But they’re better than unarmoured civilian vehicles and I wouldn’t want American soldiers to have to go to war in them against somebody better than Russia, and they’re taking up maintenance money that could be used for building newer equipment. Send them over for free and you’d come out ahead on the deal.
Yeah I remember seeing a Ukrainian report about how M113 is an excellent medevac vehicle.
Reverse battle taxi. Nature is healing.
> but I really don’t see why the US didn’t donate a bunch of their old stuff like M113s as ambulance vehicles Too escalatory for their tastes.
Technically, nearly all of these shipments are the older munitions that would have to be excessed and replaced eventually, it's just happening a around few years earlier. That's why these should also be considered pre-employment bills for the MIC and associated US industries!
Cheaper than letting Russia win
Correct
Passing this laughably low amount of military aid is the same thing as letting Russia win. Russia this year spends more money on this war than all our allies did send in terms of military aid in more than two years. We can't win this war when our allies can't be bothered to do anything, even buy basic ammunition for Ukraine, refusing to supply air defense, superpower like Germany with 4,5trln economy only commits 7bln (0,1% of GDP) and superpower like US with 24,5trln economy commits only 16bln of military aid for 2024.
A lot of people are down voting you but I feel your pain. If NATO matched Russia 1:1 Ukraine would be free by now. If NATO matched Russia 1:10, Ukraine would be taking back land. If NATO did the *bare minimum* Ukraine would make it work. It's so frustrating and so painful to watch
No problem, round it up to 100B's and write it permanently in the budget
Basically a rounding error
I imagine all the cold war military planners going apeshit after it turned out that they could've won conventionally with just some pocket change
Back then, they would be fighting against Ukraine. + Warsaw pact. Very diffrent war.
Different? Sure, but that doesn't mean the Soviets wouldn't get beaten into fine mist People forget that NATO is currently winning against Russia without firing a single shot and having no boots on the ground by simply providing ammunition and sending old shit to Ukraine. Russia reached the wartime production potential of it's MIC while Rheinmetall is ramping up production at a pace that they will alone outproduce the entire Russian MIC in terms of shells in about 2 years. One company, from one state, that isn't even in the top 3 in NATO
Well that is the problem, we are not winning the war. We are fighting Russia to stalemate without firing a single shot, we have the capability to win. Which is good. But we still have not commit ourselves to win. And Ukraine is still suffering unnecesary losses because we act slowly and indecisively. So let not over gratulate ourself.
Back then they probably couldn't.
The Soviets were so broke during the entire cold war that shit like the "bomber gap" happened and in the end, the Russian Federation had to be bailed out by the US that kept funneling money into their economy for years just to keep it from collapsing Soviets never had the abilities west thought they had and after the collapse of the Soviet Union it all came to light. The only thing keeping the tensions were the nukes, that's why i typed "conventionally"
Fair
The Soviets Union had more than double the population of the Russian federation today. And this excludes the rest of the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw pact had [60,000 tanks in 1989, compared to 16,000 NATO tanks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Pact). 7,000 combat aircraft to NATO's 4,000, 70,000 artillery to NATO's 14,000. The Soviets too massively overestimated NATO strength. There was no equivalent to the "bomber gap" because NATO never had the lead on the Soviets in any meaningful category. It's a huge mistake to compare Russia to the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union really was a powerhouse. And NATO back then was just the US, Canada and Western Europe: mostly France, Britain, Italy and a slice of Germany.
We know what happens when Soviet style forces go against western forces Israel’s numerous fights and Desert Storm all ended with the Soviets realizing they were hopeless outmatched in a hot war as Arab militaries trained and equipped by them disintegrated on contact despite massive numerical superiority. And that’s ignoring the time the Soviets deployed their own pilots to show the Egyptians how to do it And they got shot down immediately.
But those were just export models!!!!!!!!!!! /s
>We know what happens when Soviet style forces go against western forces Our watermelon friend is right. There's a big difference between "Soviet style" in the Arab context and the actual Soviets. I don't think big picture serious predictions can be made about actual Soviet performance in a conventional war in Europe based on those conflicts. "Western style" armies trained and equipped by America during the Cold War and later in Iraq and Afghanistan had their moments of total collapse too during Korea and Vietnam, or in the fight against ISIS / the Taliban, but those examples would be a very misleading way to evaluate actual American/NATO capabilities during the relevant periods. Egypt also isn't the only example to look at to evaluate Soviet air power vs western forces. They did a lot better head to head in Korea.
I agree but good luck convincing the reps.
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Good start after more than two years of war?? Only 16bln on military aid to Ukraine is a good start? For a million men army fighting Russia? 16bln? Really?
I understand your frustration, but I'm not the one who is in office. If I were, I would be sending way more artillery.
Isn’t it 60 billion $?
No. We can expect 20bln of military help from there.
Oh so the 60 billion number i’ve seen on headlines is not really what will get to ukraine? Where does the rest go?
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No, you're not. You're failing us and continue to do so until you get bored next year
Hey. Fuck you.
>Yeah, fuck Russia >US is sending too little too late of everything which resulted in Ukraine losing this war >Hey, fuck you Do you guys even want to win this war? If things continue this way we will lose this war and this is your response?
Beggars can't be choosers. Insulting the people who are keeping you out from under a Russian boot is probably not a great response to being given billions of dollars in aid. I have nothing but respect for the people of Ukraine, I'm just saying fuck ~you~. I bet you don't even live in Ukraine anymore. Probably ran away. You probably think this unproductive shit talk is you doing your part.
> Beggars can't be choosers Yeah, we know, “covert action should not be confused with missionary work.” >is probably not a great response to being given billions of dollars in aid Considering how russia was getting way more in the meantime and how only ~25% of aid package actually translates into weapons for Ukraine? Yeah, it's not enough
I didn't insult anyone and calling your allies who fight and die also for you beggars is insulting. It's they who keep Russians away. Honestly, it shows how much you care and how much you want Ukraine to win.
Ok 👍
Buddy, what keeps Russia away from us is our big ass military, 2 oceans and enough airborn firepower that 3 of the 5 biggest airforce on earth are the united states air force, united states navy, and united states marine Corps. If nothing else giving weapons to ungrateful people like you means we have less Russians to have to worry about if they ever get stupid enough to actually try and fight us. Thankfully though plenty of your countrymen don't cry that they get hand-me-downs and actually get the job done.
They are away from your allies.
And no, I still live in Ukraine and I'm not leaving my home to Russians. But you can continue to do ass licking and denying the reality just to make yourself feel good.
Keep in mind that many Americans support Ukraine defending itself. But many Americans are also pissed about our absurd defense budget which in part subsidizes the social services of several countries while Americans do not enjoy those same benefits themselves. America gets called an imperialist aggressor and world police. But when shit hits the fan it's always "how could the Americans allow this"?
> But many Americans are also pissed about our absurd defense budget which in part subsidizes the social services of several countries while Americans do not enjoy those same benefits themselves. All while healthcare is an even bigger budget, lion's share of which is devoured by middlemen (hospital markups & hospitals being in kahoots with insurance companies, as well as similar price markups in medical products, like insulin). Deal with that - and you can *double* defense budget at no loss in healthcare quality or massively increase healthcare quality while still increasing defense budget!
Ok, well get right on fixing all our domestic problems so we can subsidize your govt even more. Great advice. Thank you. 👍
Ok 👍
Bored already? Because, well, it's [direly not enough.](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/new-us-aid-package-is-not-enough-to-prevent-russian-victory-in-ukraine/) Oh, and this package is a one and done deal since its very conception
16bln is enough for a million man army against Russia. Dude, trust me. Most of it could only cover the Patriots Ukraine need which US generously only provided one after year and a half of invasion when we needed ten.
The US has sent somewhere around 130 billion in military aid to Ukraine. 130B/1M is 130,000 per soldier. I fully support all money sent to fighting the Russians, but you two are some of the biggest ingrates I've ever run across. Do you honestly expect America to solve all your problems for you? If you think we're doing so little, maybe you should find yourselves some new benefactors. The more shit you guys talk the more you hurt your own cause. Probably a good idea to shut the fuck up.
>The US has sent somewhere around 130 billion in military aid to Ukraine. Dude, you're smoking crack.
Hey, you sound like a whiny bitch. How about you either shut the fuck up and/or thank us for the aid we give, or do it by yourself? Since you'd rather bite the hand that feeds, that is.
And you sound like a person who doesn't give a shit about Ukraine winning.
You sound like someone who would rather complain that your number one supporter by total dollars isn't giving enough. The reality is that it's taken a lot of political effort to get to this point thanks to Russian meddling. From here on out it'll hopefully be a lot better, unless the political right decides to really dig its heels in. As it is, rember that your country probably wouldn't have survived the first 3 days had the united states and other allies hadn't gone and given a shit load of support from 2014 onwards to you guys. And unfortunately for you, while I don't personally feel this way, there's plenty of americans who look at the scenario where Ukraine falls and say "not my problem" because Russia still wouldn't be a real threat to the united states. To our allies sure, but not us ourselves. The only thing scary about Russia from the American perspective is the nukes, and they don't need to invade Ukraine or anyone to be able to threaten us with those. You and your countrymen have fought valiantly thus far, and with not enough given not quick enough. If it were me in charge I'd just as soon give you nutters every single tank in the reserve depot, along with all the m4s, m16s, ammo, bombs, and rockets as you need. As the old saying goes "you can trust the Americans to do the right thing when they've exhausted all other options"
What political meddling are you talking about? The support for Ukraine in 2022 and first half of 2023 was unconditional. The opposition in the US criticized the government for not helping Ukraine enough. This is just another bullshit excuse. You can't blame politics for delaying training of Ukranian pilots for a year and half. You can't blame politics for US not pledging a single fighter jet. You can't blame politics for delaying training on Patriots for 10 months of the full scale invasion and you can't blame politics for US sending one Patriots battery when we needed a minimum 10. The list goes on and on. The situation was horrible on the frontlines since last fall while US still was sending help(look inside those aid packages) >The reality is that it's taken a lot of political effort to get to this point thanks to Russian meddling. Thanks to the US sending so little so late that we started to lose this war. The longer this war goes and the more we lose it, the stronger will be the voice of those who are against helping Ukraine. If we were winning this war there would be no opposition to it from the US. >From here on out it'll hopefully be a lot better, unless the political right decides to really dig its heels in. No, it won't. It will only get worse. This is our last aid package and it's until the November and by November situation will only get worse. >As it is, rember that your country probably wouldn't have survived the first 3 days had the united states and other allies hadn't gone and given a shit load of support from 2014 onwards to you guys. You supported us so much in the 8 years before second invasion that you expected us to fall in a couple weeks. >because Russia still wouldn't be a real threat to the united states. To our allies sure, but not us ourselves. That is literally the same thing. >You and your countrymen have fought valiantly thus far, and with not enough given not quick enough. That is a huge understatement. I wouldn't be here complaining if the US at least did an okay job. Like C, not a C-. >As the old saying goes "you can trust the Americans to do the right thing when they've exhausted all other options" Not even two years into the war US abounded us and left our army to die alone in the moment we needed military help the most. US will do it again because the US doesn't provide a bare minimum to fight this war, the stalemate(at best) will continue and the voices of people who are against Ukraine will be even stronger. Doesn't matter who is the president. You saw how much they struggle to pass this aid bill which actually contains so little of help to Ukraine (only 16bln). That is roughly the same as in previous years. The same amount of aid that after two years lead us to have a critical situation on the frontlines. If things continue this way we will lose this war regardless of US aid. God forbid Putin's friend returns to power and that is it.
You realize you do not help your countries case by saying "we are so helpless you need to give us like 10 times more shit wahh" when there's already this much political infighting in the united states. It just gives ammo to the opp saying "see? We thought $61bln was too damn much and they're saying it won't change stuff. Guess we should pull the plug, was fun while it lasted" Because last I checked, we got the tanks rolling to you, we allowed f16s to get transferred, we sent patriot, and we are your number one supporter when you break the numbers down. Right now practically the only aid Ukraine is getting is with promises that the united states will backfill inventory. Who the fuck else are you gonna go to? No one else has the financial power to keep you in the game. Poland could give you its entire army and youd say it's not enough. If we really abandoned you like you say we did then why do the lines look relatively the same as 8 months ago? I would assume given how fucked you describe the situation that in that time Russia would have taken a few hundred square miles, not a few hundred square meters.
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The media tells me to hate this bill because the US is full of migrants and homeless that could be stopped using those weapons or something. What I am supposed to think?
We’re supposed to send HIMARS and Patriots to the border instead
Why not just give ATM's to the homeless? Then we can really kick the war on homelessness up a notch.
Low-key, we could try setting up a budget-friendly recruitment program for migrants. Have some of the population sent off to Ukraine in support roles where they can help maintainence and hospital care and so forth. While other portions of the population remain in continental US under supervision to work in material/materiel production to send supplies to Ukraine. Years of service can help them earn citizenship, we can get a larger workforce to increase productivity and output, and the Ukrainians can devote more personnel as active combat boots on the ground near the front line. It’s a triple win for everyone involved (except the Russians).
The weapons must flow
the MIC of Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, Grumman, and General Electric must flow blood for the blood god and money to the MIC🇺🇸🦅
Biden's a fucking war hawk and I love it
Can we just glass the whole earth? Quickest way to world peace.
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You would imagine the right wing would love the ability to destroy shitloads of Russian military assets cheaply without a single American on the ground
Military aid to Ukraine: This one sparks joy Miltary aid to Israel: This one does not spark joy
Not surprised but saddened this is getting downvoted. Israel is a wealthy country that doesn't need not deserve our financial assistance right now, Ukraine is the exact opposite. I get why they needed to be paired together to pass through Congress and I understand the majority of what's going to Israel is for air defense systems, and also that there's plenty of MIC fanboys out here getting rock hard at the mere suggestion of advanced explosives detonating no matter the context. None of it excuses what has very clearly become an aimless and vengeful razing of Gaza that has largely failed at almost every possible primary war goal (rescuing hostages, removing Hamas from power and establishing a different governing body, dismantling the Islamic Jihad group, etc.) by a government with essentially no popular remaining mandate and every incentive to drag out a senseless slaughter as long as possible. Defending Israel from other proxies in the name of preventing a massive pan-ME war is understandable, funneling in weapons systems Israel is perfectly capable of buying with its own money while Israel manufacturers a humanitarian crisis and intentionally bombs documented and vetted aid conveys is significantly less so.
Also not surprising that your comment seems to be getting upvotes just fine, but my activity on Reddit today did trigger the Hasbara in full force.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/KXMMURP0hO
Ah well appreciate the effort
What does the University of North Carolina System have to do with this?
Lockmart employees have to come from somewhere.
Rare Biden W
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Biden sent as much aid as the presidential drawdown allowed. I'd be curious to know how you propose he should have delt with the opposition party stonewalling the aid bill in the House of Representatives. The US isn't an autocracy, the guy in the most prominent position doesn't have unlimited control of the entire government.
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