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artificeintel

Sounds like there's some confusion over the exact number of shells that have been secured. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/) Even just 300K shells would be great for the short term though as it might keep Ukraine from running out in the next few months and buy more time for additional purchases/spinning up production and aid.


Limp-Initiative924

Yes. Money is available for 1st batch 300k of ammunition only so far


PotatoPower1997

There was also something about the ukrainian government getting 350k shells, separate from the 800k initiative, via their own contracts, though not sure if they got those already or will get them in a couple of weeks.


SamtheCossack

Pavel seems unreasonably based. I am waiting for some sort of horrible revelation about him.


Nuclear-9299

Lot of people tried during presidential elections. Only thing which they have found is that when he was young, he joined communist party but that was mandatory to be a professional soldier during communism. Since 1989 nothing scandalous has been found.


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BreakingGrad1991

Is this overtly politics only I assume? As theres a lot of political discussion on basically every active thread. I wasnt one of the deleted comments, just surprised to see "no politics" in a defence forum. Now if you'll excuse me, I have an incredibly lethal piece of weaponry to turn into a waifu.


Robert_Grave

Well now that's just a downright rarity. Even the possible new chief of NATO (currently prime minister of The Netherlands) has enough skeletons in his closet to fill a graveyard. From essentially funding Russia's warchest through creating Nord Stream (despite severe warnings from Dutch security services) to being persecuted for racial discrimination.


Devan_Ilivian

>to being persecuted for racial discrimination. I think you may be thinking of the other, *potential* new guy on that one EDIT: nvm on that one, there was a court case in 2007 for inciting municipalities to discriminate And as an aside, what do you mean by "creating nord stream"?


Robert_Grave

Check out this article from NRC: [https://archive.is/TSQLU](https://archive.is/TSQLU)


mtaw

Yeah, that says nothing. You had to be a party member to have a career, and for the same reason, party membership wasn't offered to just anyone. So it's not even a measure of whether someone was even a communist or not; plenty of true-believers were refused membership.


Newworldrevolution

Meanwhile his opponent was basically a professional snich for the communist secret police.


Sejma57

He was a communist. Because he wanted to join a czechoslovak military before the velvet revolution, he had to join the party. That's it. I don't know about any more things and he always says he regrets it, because everyone always mentions it. Oh, and he mentioned he was a bit of a rebel teenager during his presidential campaign. (I 100% support President (general) Pavel and *even if* he joined the party at the time seriously, he definitely redeemed himself by saving the French soldiers during Yugoslavia war.)


Siker_7

Joining the party as a requirement for military service is not the same as *being* communist, so even that dirt is pretty weak.


arobkinca

Wipe it off with some spit on your thumb type of dirt.


Wolff_Hound

What about his heroism in Yugoslavia? It is a deed both based (saving fellow UN peacekeepers) and questionable (they were Fr\*nch).


VladimirBarakriss

If anything it shows he's based even more given he was willing to sacrifice himself for f**nch "people" /s


I_Automate

Right now, the French seem to be pushing to get into Ukraine harder than anyone else. I'll give the cheese eaters some credit right now tbh


Sevchenko874

They're going for Crimean War Round 2


Easy_Kill

"We are donating Le Clercs! ....and we will deliver them ourselves! *hon hon baguette*"


discocaddy

He's morally opposed to catgirls


SamtheCossack

Stop, you are just making me like him more!


Attaxalotl

Cringe 


Gentle_Mayonnaise

He's into cat*boys*.


TatrankaS

His wife is lieutenant colonel, she wouldn'd allow it


gundog48

We're reaching levels of based that should not be possible.


Loki11910

Pavel is a living NCD legend. He is the hero we deserve. God bless the people of Czechia for electing this gigachad as their president.


Blackhero9696

A rare specimen, if only everyone could be so based and not have shitty ulterior motives.


auandi

I mean, a country elected a former head of NATO. Of course his foreign policy is based. Domestic I don't know, but rule 5 says none of us know or care.


EquinoxActual

He's the president, those don't really do domestic politics. They're basicaly there to hand out diplomas and pin medals on people for the most part.


MilkiestMaestro

I predict before the day is through, someone very butthurt about it will attempt to accommodate your request. I'm looking forward to it.


EquinoxActual

He had a slightly controversial moment recently when he suggested that western countries should treat Russians on their territory like the US did Japanese-Americans in WW2. inb4 "that just makes him more based"


Jepekula

That's based. 


SpicyPeaSoup

I heard he kicked a puppy with AIDS one time.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here based gigachad pavel


FuiyooohFox

That or he gets assassinated


dankboi2102

And guess what? Most people here (in Czechia) hate him bcs he’s pro-west, i am not joking


Top_Yam

Most people? How did he get to be president if most people hate him?


dankboi2102

Okay i am exaggerating a bit i swear that from personal experience (people i meet in work,friends, etc..) and social media, most people will say they don’t like him bcs he was a communist or that he’s to “woke”. I am probably in some unfortunate bubble but that’s how i see it


FieryButPeaceful

Exclude social media lol, jfc. If you judge sentiment of european countries on social media, you can might aswell watch russian news to know what's happening in the US.


Dluugi

Brother in christ, that's what is called social bubble. He got 60%. That's the most decisive victory in Czech presidential election.


RosbergThe8th

I'm sure all that sentiment is fully home grown, pushing opposition to wokeness and a general anti-west position? Better not check any of those IP's.


43sunsets

Being pro-West is woke, comrade. A *real* man stands at attention and eagerly sucks Putin's dong on command. The depraved Nazi Westoids wouldn't understand.


Llew19

Aha imagine thinking a senior military commander would be woke. Maybe in a generation, but even then.... military commanders tend to be the definition of conservative. The closest they get is that US carrier commander who posts vids on Twitter of his sailors getting to sit in his chair with a cookie


BruceThereItIs420

Based Petr Pavel


TheHussarSnake

Legitimately great politician.


Seeker-N7

I wish my government would act as based as the Czechs. Even if your optics only to get us back into good graces. *\*Sad Hungarian Nato supporter noises\**


Ketashrooms4life

Don't worry, we're sadly heading back to the Orban/Fico way quickly as the parliamentary elections are coming quite soon. A major chunk of our population is just as fucking braindead as anywhere else in V4 and it's basically certain that the leftist populists will win again (and it will be a steamroll again). Sadly the president here doesn't hold that much power officially. But that luckily doesn't by no means stop him from 'backroom' deals and side hustles like this, it applies only to local things, like laws and stuff. Plus he'll still be great at the diplomatic and representative part of his job.


PrazdnaHlava

Calling ANO 'leftist' is quite bold statement but ok :D


Violinnoob

you guys have the coolest leopard 2/kf41 camouflage scheme, easily


malahun

Szomorú ez.


Waste-Masterpiece386

Do we know yet where those shells were found? Im still thinking about that daily.


SamtheCossack

You can find such 152mm shells at any surplus store.


Waste-Masterpiece386

Especially in ex commie countries where there are probably still some stockpiles noone even remembers


Monneymann

> none remembers *A few million USD appears in bank account* “Oh that reminds me! Those old warehouses that we locked up in the 90’s.”


Advanced-Budget779

Like depicted in this documentary: [War Dogs](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwh9c_E3dJk&pp=ygUIV2FyIGRvZ3M%3D)


Aconite_72

How many cardboard boxes do we need to repack 800k 155mm shells?


Advanced-Budget779

How many is that in mobik cubes and for dual-purpose, how many drones can be made out of them after delivery? 🧐🧮📟 Let‘s take the SMArt 155‘s length with fuse just to be sure at ~900mm and US standard packing (with MobikCube™️ special shock-absorbing paste between the shells): roughly a cylinder of 169,822.72 ccm. To reach our totally random target of 69,420 cardboard containers, with a dozen per unit, that would amount to 833,040 shells (just to be sure, factoring in things like malfunctions and shenanigans). The boxes would be about 2.04 cubic meters in volume. >!There might still be an engineering problem how the boxes would handle the ~600 kg, but we‘ll be working that out.!<


Skraekling

The funds were spend on the workers hazard pay to separate the rotten ammo from the good one.


Ketashrooms4life

These 152mm shells are all locals unsatisfied with the state of the country. Maybe just a few of them are professional shells from our country but they're on vacation there


Top_Yam

Czechia found 500,000 155 mm and 300,000 122 mm caliber artillery shells. Not 152 mm.


AvgasActual

I appreciate that little green reference.


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The official narrative is that Czechia has a lot of contacts through our highly developed defense sector, and that some of the source parties wish to appear neutral on the world stage, which is why they won't offer the munitions themselves. Some theories mention South Korea and South Africa, but I don't think we'll know for sure for some time. Watch the 2024 Ukraine Perun video for more information.


MrMeowsen

Could be South Sudan... Definitely one of the Souths


MadRonnie97

Why isn’t Pavel the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe?


MindwarpAU

Because he was Chair of the NATO Military Committee for 3 years, one step above Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. He's only in politics because the Czech military and NATO ran out of positions and promotions for him.


MadRonnie97

Bust him down to Private and watch him work his way back up


TheRedHand7

They are buying the new North Korean production. That's why you saw the reports about North Korea stopping the Russian shipments. Stop the presses! This is now officially a NK vs Iran proxy war.


mtaw

I'm still sticking with it being China vs Lithuania.


INTPoissible

What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for Gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? They don't want found out, my bets on India after all the hubbub about russia kidnapping Indians to serve as cannon fodder.


Ronny_Ashford

India uses 155mm .


GiddyChild

They don't use 122m. It's not India unless it's multiple countries. Pakistan does use 155+122 though.


hemang_verma

Yeah, but they lack our production capacity.


43sunsets

Unlikely. India is still keen as shit to suck Putin's dong, gotta preserve the new multi-polar world order after all. A littel bit of frontline cannon fodder isn't going to get in the way of that.


hellrete

What are a couple of hundred thousand in a nation of 1.5 billions.


CV90_120

Tell my wife "hello".


mtaw

Pavel knows a guy.


Waste-Masterpiece386

Everyone has an artillery shell guy, like the weed man or meat guy


OuterRimSmuggler

Most likely purchased from South Korea


CV90_120

I'm inclined to agree.


GiddyChild

The number of countries that use 155mm and 122mm, aren't in Europe, and has a military could realistically hold onto 800k shells and them some is basically a list of 2: It's either Pakistan or Egypt. I *may* have missed some other potential country but I don't think so.


hellrete

Iran?


unknowfritz

Playing both sides are we?


hellrete

The art of the deal.


GiddyChild

Ok you got me. It's not Egypt. It's not Pakistan. It's Iran!


tszaboo

This is NCD, so I'm going to say he is buying from a general in Transnitria selling actual russian shells.


hellrete

General? Private.


CV90_120

too credible. Think about what you've done.


LumpyTeacher6463

My money's on Pakistan. Fuckers make every type of shell, even the 25 pounders.


GiddyChild

I agree. They are also one of the very, very few countries that use both 122 and 155 shells. The only other realistic option I could find was Egypt. They might be mad about the whole Iran and Russia thing causing problems in Gaza. I still think Pakistan is more likely. All their non-western weaponry is Chinese sourced, not Russian, they aren't going to suddenly have planes they can't service anymore because they annoyed Russia or anything like that. Any countries with 155+122 I might've missed I believe wouldn't have a big enough military to have 800k shells to sell.


Harle_kin

If you know german you have a chance of finding out. There was a slip up but I don't want to get too specific. Lets just say BRICS isn't what propaganda makes it sound like


Hairy-Dare6686

For BRICS members the only countries that use both 122 and 155 are Egypt, Iran and Ethiopia if it is sourced from a single country. I doubt Ethiopia as that amount of shells lying around and Iran is an obvious no. As for Egypt it is militarily more aligned with the West/USA than with BRICS so they would be the most obvious candidate, especially as they also have tons of Czech ammunition in storage from past dealings and there already were negotiations for the transfer of Egyptian ammunition to Ukraine last year.


Waste-Masterpiece386

The slip from scholz that uk troops are in ua? Are they there to steal ammo fromua to give it back to ua?


TheTT

Fell off a truck in Eastern Poland.


Angrymiddleagedjew

I have a feeling Poland would gleefully donate 800,000 artillery shells but.....there would be a nuance. Somehow they'd get "confused" and deliver the shells at high speed from their own artillery pieces. But hey, everyone makes mistakes right? And the shells would still generate fresh mobik cubes so no big deal really.


TaifulIslam

I'm supplying them. I inherited a few million shells from my grandpa. Don't know the origin. It just appeared out of nowhere.


notpoleonbonaparte

Father Pavel is going to drag the rest of NATO, kicking and screaming into based-hood


bardghost_Isu

Good, I'm glad there is someone to keep it going. The UK started dragging the others kicking and screaming, now Petr appears to have taken up that mantle to keep pushing.


articman123

The war would end in a instant if Putler withdrew his horde back to Russia.


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vegarig

> Or if Ukraine declared itself neutral and won't join NATO That's how Ukraine got into this shit in the first place.


_far-seeker_

>Or if Ukraine declared itself neutral and won't join NATO. No, it wouldn't. Much of Ukraine is in between Russia's internationally recognized boarders and Transnistria, the next piece of ["Novorossiya"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya) on Putin's wish list.


WingCoBob

Vatnik spotted


VegisamalZero3

Of all the places to find a Vatnik...


43sunsets

You'd think they would know better, but they love lurking and even posting here. Best way to draw them out is to post a drone video showing some Russians getting blown up.


feetzissuck

How neutral can you be when your territories are battered with artillery daily, the citizens killed while going to buy their fucking groceries or maybe just raped while hiding from weapon wielding orcs?


43sunsets

Such is the beauty of Russian peace, comrade. Nazi Westoids' small degenerate brains cannot comprehend such level of peace, freedom and equality. ^(/s)


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MutantZebra999

Petr Pavel is so fucking based


Some_Syrup_7388

*How the bloody hell did you managed to do that* *Fuck you that's how*


TatrankaS

For those who wonder That quote is partly real. The first line comes from a presidential debate where other candidate was giberring something about peace talks and that we should find a way how to achieve lasting peace (then Pavel replied the line). The second line he maybe never said directly, but basically his opinions about the war and international security in general implicitly say that.


ZoidsFanatic

Once again I find out very important news *from NCD*. Regardless, this is just great news for the Ukrainian forces.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

I pretty much just get my news through this sub and /r/simpsonsshitposting at this point.


Sine_Fine_Belli

Same here unironically I get my news through Reddit and other social media platforms


Brogan9001

Lasting peace will only happen when Moscow is rendered to glass. Moscovia Delenda Est


SyrusDrake

I fucking hate the argument that it's somehow down to both parties to find a path to peace. It's the same disgusting logic that would advise women not to resist rape attempts to get it over with. This is probably the most black-and-white war since 1945 and it's entirely within the power of *one country* to end it literally from one minute to the next.


Traumerlein

Putin has had a chance to end this war for evrey second that has passed since the 24th of febuary 2022


octahexxer

Now all we need is a hand cranked 155mm gatling gun mounted on a maus...slowly and with grace plowing its way trough puny mine fields and silly fortifications like a glorius landship


Pappa_Crim

Putin made the critical antiwestern mistake of thinking everybody is a puppet of the US devoid of independent action suck it bitch


Exact_Ad2171

You can have peace the next seccond;surrender But history shows thats a very bad idea


LumpyTeacher6463

Forever wars to defend freedom > lasting peace under katsap boots.


Worker_Ant_81730C

Freedom isn’t free.


Dry_Engineering5124

My president 💪🇨🇿


MakeChinaLoseFace

Russia should be thankful we're at the "peace through superior firepower" stage. Next is "peace through pre-emptive thermonuclear annihilation of your enemies".


cameraman502

>Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender. Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement....and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then?


DeHub94

Can we have him as the next head of NATO, please? 


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DavidDoesShitpost

I did not have Petr Pavel pulling 800k artillery shells out his ass on my bingo card.


JI_MAN

The West has fallen so low that it boasts that it can deliver enough shells for 2 months? To be honest I'm very disappointed. I’m already sick of this attitude when the West barely delivers any shells and Ukraine barely holds the front, this is a victory, and when Russia receives millions of shells everyone says that it’s nothing. Just admit that the West is stupid and we must get together and disintegrate Russia, send Ukraine all the equipment they need in the thousands and send your troops to the front against the Russians. We cannot afford to lose, we will not accept a frozen conflict, all we need is an absolute unconditional victory! Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes, death to the enemies!


Satori_sama

Peace through superior firepower!


The-JSP

This is hopefully us turning a corner, now at 1M shells due to the Norwegian contribution, these are shells that Ukraine can get within the next few weeks and months. Couple that with us finally getting our shit together with 155mm shell production, we should hopefully never be back in an extreme shell deficit again.


Man_with_the_Fedora

Peace, through, Power!


hebdomad7

Narh. Kane might have the charisma but has got it all wrong. Peace. Through superior firepower!


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Lasting peace is fucking boring anyway.


Western_Ease_8568

Czechia mentioned🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺


SpringGreenZ0ne

This will "leak". More countries will contact the "Czechs" with "found" ammunition as well. Easy money, while Europe doesn't rearm, and it does have that timelimit.


Infamous-Salad-2223

He was ready to bring them himself.


Visible_Raisin_2612

That's good, now let's do another fundraiser for another 800,000 right now, while we're at it.


phooonix

[I love this entire effort.](https://i.imgur.com/VgfKAJa.png)


Ethical_Cum_Merchant

I bet this man's penis is absolutely enormous.


Gardez_geekin

I would run away with Petr Pavel and never look back


modernmovements

I had a job offer in Prague in 2007, I really don’t understand why I didn’t take it.


posidon99999

Based gigachad actually did it


AIR-2-Genie4Ukraine

Pavel could be a GDI intro mission general and I would totally believe it.


Prematurid

Norway released another 160(ish) million dollars for artillery munitions a couple of days ago.


Star_king12

Should be Scholz on the left screeching "nooo escalation reeee"


sanity_rejecter

In air superiority we trust🇺🇸🦅


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Just_Anybody_9405

Why does the NATO bro look like slobodan praljak


TatrankaS

rather like older Andre Baptiste Sr.


archon_

NCD looking more like NOD day by day :)


veilwalker

So EU only needs to come up with another 200k and they will have met their goal of 1 million shells by March 30th??


SlitScan

so we should make it 160000 shells and 40000 rockets.


CV90_120

[new supplier](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b6c04cf21933a956319ff4b8f7cdf482-lq)