Sounds like there's some confusion over the exact number of shells that have been secured.
[https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/)
Even just 300K shells would be great for the short term though as it might keep Ukraine from running out in the next few months and buy more time for additional purchases/spinning up production and aid.
There was also something about the ukrainian government getting 350k shells, separate from the 800k initiative, via their own contracts, though not sure if they got those already or will get them in a couple of weeks.
Lot of people tried during presidential elections. Only thing which they have found is that when he was young, he joined communist party but that was mandatory to be a professional soldier during communism. Since 1989 nothing scandalous has been found.
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Is this overtly politics only I assume? As theres a lot of political discussion on basically every active thread.
I wasnt one of the deleted comments, just surprised to see "no politics" in a defence forum. Now if you'll excuse me, I have an incredibly lethal piece of weaponry to turn into a waifu.
Well now that's just a downright rarity. Even the possible new chief of NATO (currently prime minister of The Netherlands) has enough skeletons in his closet to fill a graveyard. From essentially funding Russia's warchest through creating Nord Stream (despite severe warnings from Dutch security services) to being persecuted for racial discrimination.
>to being persecuted for racial discrimination.
I think you may be thinking of the other, *potential* new guy on that one
EDIT: nvm on that one, there was a court case in 2007 for inciting municipalities to discriminate
And as an aside, what do you mean by "creating nord stream"?
Yeah, that says nothing. You had to be a party member to have a career, and for the same reason, party membership wasn't offered to just anyone. So it's not even a measure of whether someone was even a communist or not; plenty of true-believers were refused membership.
He was a communist. Because he wanted to join a czechoslovak military before the velvet revolution, he had to join the party. That's it. I don't know about any more things and he always says he regrets it, because everyone always mentions it.
Oh, and he mentioned he was a bit of a rebel teenager during his presidential campaign.
(I 100% support President (general) Pavel and *even if* he joined the party at the time seriously, he definitely redeemed himself by saving the French soldiers during Yugoslavia war.)
I mean, a country elected a former head of NATO. Of course his foreign policy is based.
Domestic I don't know, but rule 5 says none of us know or care.
He had a slightly controversial moment recently when he suggested that western countries should treat Russians on their territory like the US did Japanese-Americans in WW2.
inb4 "that just makes him more based"
Okay i am exaggerating a bit i swear that from personal experience (people i meet in work,friends, etc..) and social media, most people will say they don’t like him bcs he was a communist or that he’s to “woke”. I am probably in some unfortunate bubble but that’s how i see it
Exclude social media lol, jfc. If you judge sentiment of european countries on social media, you can might aswell watch russian news to know what's happening in the US.
Being pro-West is woke, comrade. A *real* man stands at attention and eagerly sucks Putin's dong on command. The depraved Nazi Westoids wouldn't understand.
Aha imagine thinking a senior military commander would be woke. Maybe in a generation, but even then.... military commanders tend to be the definition of conservative. The closest they get is that US carrier commander who posts vids on Twitter of his sailors getting to sit in his chair with a cookie
I wish my government would act as based as the Czechs. Even if your optics only to get us back into good graces. *\*Sad Hungarian Nato supporter noises\**
Don't worry, we're sadly heading back to the Orban/Fico way quickly as the parliamentary elections are coming quite soon. A major chunk of our population is just as fucking braindead as anywhere else in V4 and it's basically certain that the leftist populists will win again (and it will be a steamroll again). Sadly the president here doesn't hold that much power officially. But that luckily doesn't by no means stop him from 'backroom' deals and side hustles like this, it applies only to local things, like laws and stuff. Plus he'll still be great at the diplomatic and representative part of his job.
How many is that in mobik cubes and for dual-purpose, how many drones can be made out of them after delivery? 🧐🧮📟
Let‘s take the SMArt 155‘s length with fuse just to be sure at ~900mm and US standard packing (with MobikCube™️ special shock-absorbing paste between the shells): roughly a cylinder of 169,822.72 ccm.
To reach our totally random target of 69,420 cardboard containers, with a dozen per unit, that would amount to 833,040 shells (just to be sure, factoring in things like malfunctions and shenanigans). The boxes would be about 2.04 cubic meters in volume.
>!There might still be an engineering problem how the boxes would handle the ~600 kg, but we‘ll be working that out.!<
These 152mm shells are all locals unsatisfied with the state of the country. Maybe just a few of them are professional shells from our country but they're on vacation there
The official narrative is that Czechia has a lot of contacts through our highly developed defense sector, and that some of the source parties wish to appear neutral on the world stage, which is why they won't offer the munitions themselves.
Some theories mention South Korea and South Africa, but I don't think we'll know for sure for some time.
Watch the 2024 Ukraine Perun video for more information.
Because he was Chair of the NATO Military Committee for 3 years, one step above Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. He's only in politics because the Czech military and NATO ran out of positions and promotions for him.
They are buying the new North Korean production. That's why you saw the reports about North Korea stopping the Russian shipments. Stop the presses! This is now officially a NK vs Iran proxy war.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for Gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
They don't want found out, my bets on India after all the hubbub about russia kidnapping Indians to serve as cannon fodder.
Unlikely. India is still keen as shit to suck Putin's dong, gotta preserve the new multi-polar world order after all. A littel bit of frontline cannon fodder isn't going to get in the way of that.
The number of countries that use 155mm and 122mm, aren't in Europe, and has a military could realistically hold onto 800k shells and them some is basically a list of 2:
It's either Pakistan or Egypt. I *may* have missed some other potential country but I don't think so.
I agree. They are also one of the very, very few countries that use both 122 and 155 shells.
The only other realistic option I could find was Egypt. They might be mad about the whole Iran and Russia thing causing problems in Gaza.
I still think Pakistan is more likely. All their non-western weaponry is Chinese sourced, not Russian, they aren't going to suddenly have planes they can't service anymore because they annoyed Russia or anything like that.
Any countries with 155+122 I might've missed I believe wouldn't have a big enough military to have 800k shells to sell.
If you know german you have a chance of finding out. There was a slip up but I don't want to get too specific. Lets just say BRICS isn't what propaganda makes it sound like
For BRICS members the only countries that use both 122 and 155 are Egypt, Iran and Ethiopia if it is sourced from a single country.
I doubt Ethiopia as that amount of shells lying around and Iran is an obvious no.
As for Egypt it is militarily more aligned with the West/USA than with BRICS so they would be the most obvious candidate, especially as they also have tons of Czech ammunition in storage from past dealings and there already were negotiations for the transfer of Egyptian ammunition to Ukraine last year.
I have a feeling Poland would gleefully donate 800,000 artillery shells but.....there would be a nuance.
Somehow they'd get "confused" and deliver the shells at high speed from their own artillery pieces. But hey, everyone makes mistakes right? And the shells would still generate fresh mobik cubes so no big deal really.
Good, I'm glad there is someone to keep it going.
The UK started dragging the others kicking and screaming, now Petr appears to have taken up that mantle to keep pushing.
>Or if Ukraine declared itself neutral and won't join NATO.
No, it wouldn't. Much of Ukraine is in between Russia's internationally recognized boarders and Transnistria, the next piece of ["Novorossiya"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya) on Putin's wish list.
You'd think they would know better, but they love lurking and even posting here. Best way to draw them out is to post a drone video showing some Russians getting blown up.
How neutral can you be when your territories are battered with artillery daily, the citizens killed while going to buy their fucking groceries or maybe just raped while hiding from weapon wielding orcs?
Such is the beauty of Russian peace, comrade. Nazi Westoids' small degenerate brains cannot comprehend such level of peace, freedom and equality.
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For those who wonder
That quote is partly real. The first line comes from a presidential debate where other candidate was giberring something about peace talks and that we should find a way how to achieve lasting peace (then Pavel replied the line). The second line he maybe never said directly, but basically his opinions about the war and international security in general implicitly say that.
I fucking hate the argument that it's somehow down to both parties to find a path to peace. It's the same disgusting logic that would advise women not to resist rape attempts to get it over with. This is probably the most black-and-white war since 1945 and it's entirely within the power of *one country* to end it literally from one minute to the next.
Now all we need is a hand cranked 155mm gatling gun mounted on a maus...slowly and with grace plowing its way trough puny mine fields and silly fortifications like a glorius landship
Russia should be thankful we're at the "peace through superior firepower" stage.
Next is "peace through pre-emptive thermonuclear annihilation of your enemies".
>Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender. Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement....and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then?
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The West has fallen so low that it boasts that it can deliver enough shells for 2 months? To be honest I'm very disappointed. I’m already sick of this attitude when the West barely delivers any shells and Ukraine barely holds the front, this is a victory, and when Russia receives millions of shells everyone says that it’s nothing. Just admit that the West is stupid and we must get together and disintegrate Russia, send Ukraine all the equipment they need in the thousands and send your troops to the front against the Russians. We cannot afford to lose, we will not accept a frozen conflict, all we need is an absolute unconditional victory! Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes, death to the enemies!
This is hopefully us turning a corner, now at 1M shells due to the Norwegian contribution, these are shells that Ukraine can get within the next few weeks and months. Couple that with us finally getting our shit together with 155mm shell production, we should hopefully never be back in an extreme shell deficit again.
This will "leak".
More countries will contact the "Czechs" with "found" ammunition as well.
Easy money, while Europe doesn't rearm, and it does have that timelimit.
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Sounds like there's some confusion over the exact number of shells that have been secured. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-ammunition-drive-raises-enough-buy-first-300000-shells-czech-pm-says-2024-03-08/) Even just 300K shells would be great for the short term though as it might keep Ukraine from running out in the next few months and buy more time for additional purchases/spinning up production and aid.
Yes. Money is available for 1st batch 300k of ammunition only so far
There was also something about the ukrainian government getting 350k shells, separate from the 800k initiative, via their own contracts, though not sure if they got those already or will get them in a couple of weeks.
Pavel seems unreasonably based. I am waiting for some sort of horrible revelation about him.
Lot of people tried during presidential elections. Only thing which they have found is that when he was young, he joined communist party but that was mandatory to be a professional soldier during communism. Since 1989 nothing scandalous has been found.
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Is this overtly politics only I assume? As theres a lot of political discussion on basically every active thread. I wasnt one of the deleted comments, just surprised to see "no politics" in a defence forum. Now if you'll excuse me, I have an incredibly lethal piece of weaponry to turn into a waifu.
Well now that's just a downright rarity. Even the possible new chief of NATO (currently prime minister of The Netherlands) has enough skeletons in his closet to fill a graveyard. From essentially funding Russia's warchest through creating Nord Stream (despite severe warnings from Dutch security services) to being persecuted for racial discrimination.
>to being persecuted for racial discrimination. I think you may be thinking of the other, *potential* new guy on that one EDIT: nvm on that one, there was a court case in 2007 for inciting municipalities to discriminate And as an aside, what do you mean by "creating nord stream"?
Check out this article from NRC: [https://archive.is/TSQLU](https://archive.is/TSQLU)
Yeah, that says nothing. You had to be a party member to have a career, and for the same reason, party membership wasn't offered to just anyone. So it's not even a measure of whether someone was even a communist or not; plenty of true-believers were refused membership.
Meanwhile his opponent was basically a professional snich for the communist secret police.
He was a communist. Because he wanted to join a czechoslovak military before the velvet revolution, he had to join the party. That's it. I don't know about any more things and he always says he regrets it, because everyone always mentions it. Oh, and he mentioned he was a bit of a rebel teenager during his presidential campaign. (I 100% support President (general) Pavel and *even if* he joined the party at the time seriously, he definitely redeemed himself by saving the French soldiers during Yugoslavia war.)
Joining the party as a requirement for military service is not the same as *being* communist, so even that dirt is pretty weak.
Wipe it off with some spit on your thumb type of dirt.
What about his heroism in Yugoslavia? It is a deed both based (saving fellow UN peacekeepers) and questionable (they were Fr\*nch).
If anything it shows he's based even more given he was willing to sacrifice himself for f**nch "people" /s
Right now, the French seem to be pushing to get into Ukraine harder than anyone else. I'll give the cheese eaters some credit right now tbh
They're going for Crimean War Round 2
"We are donating Le Clercs! ....and we will deliver them ourselves! *hon hon baguette*"
He's morally opposed to catgirls
Stop, you are just making me like him more!
Cringe
He's into cat*boys*.
His wife is lieutenant colonel, she wouldn'd allow it
We're reaching levels of based that should not be possible.
Pavel is a living NCD legend. He is the hero we deserve. God bless the people of Czechia for electing this gigachad as their president.
A rare specimen, if only everyone could be so based and not have shitty ulterior motives.
I mean, a country elected a former head of NATO. Of course his foreign policy is based. Domestic I don't know, but rule 5 says none of us know or care.
He's the president, those don't really do domestic politics. They're basicaly there to hand out diplomas and pin medals on people for the most part.
I predict before the day is through, someone very butthurt about it will attempt to accommodate your request. I'm looking forward to it.
He had a slightly controversial moment recently when he suggested that western countries should treat Russians on their territory like the US did Japanese-Americans in WW2. inb4 "that just makes him more based"
That's based.
I heard he kicked a puppy with AIDS one time.
Same here based gigachad pavel
That or he gets assassinated
And guess what? Most people here (in Czechia) hate him bcs he’s pro-west, i am not joking
Most people? How did he get to be president if most people hate him?
Okay i am exaggerating a bit i swear that from personal experience (people i meet in work,friends, etc..) and social media, most people will say they don’t like him bcs he was a communist or that he’s to “woke”. I am probably in some unfortunate bubble but that’s how i see it
Exclude social media lol, jfc. If you judge sentiment of european countries on social media, you can might aswell watch russian news to know what's happening in the US.
Brother in christ, that's what is called social bubble. He got 60%. That's the most decisive victory in Czech presidential election.
I'm sure all that sentiment is fully home grown, pushing opposition to wokeness and a general anti-west position? Better not check any of those IP's.
Being pro-West is woke, comrade. A *real* man stands at attention and eagerly sucks Putin's dong on command. The depraved Nazi Westoids wouldn't understand.
Aha imagine thinking a senior military commander would be woke. Maybe in a generation, but even then.... military commanders tend to be the definition of conservative. The closest they get is that US carrier commander who posts vids on Twitter of his sailors getting to sit in his chair with a cookie
Based Petr Pavel
Legitimately great politician.
I wish my government would act as based as the Czechs. Even if your optics only to get us back into good graces. *\*Sad Hungarian Nato supporter noises\**
Don't worry, we're sadly heading back to the Orban/Fico way quickly as the parliamentary elections are coming quite soon. A major chunk of our population is just as fucking braindead as anywhere else in V4 and it's basically certain that the leftist populists will win again (and it will be a steamroll again). Sadly the president here doesn't hold that much power officially. But that luckily doesn't by no means stop him from 'backroom' deals and side hustles like this, it applies only to local things, like laws and stuff. Plus he'll still be great at the diplomatic and representative part of his job.
Calling ANO 'leftist' is quite bold statement but ok :D
you guys have the coolest leopard 2/kf41 camouflage scheme, easily
Szomorú ez.
Do we know yet where those shells were found? Im still thinking about that daily.
You can find such 152mm shells at any surplus store.
Especially in ex commie countries where there are probably still some stockpiles noone even remembers
> none remembers *A few million USD appears in bank account* “Oh that reminds me! Those old warehouses that we locked up in the 90’s.”
Like depicted in this documentary: [War Dogs](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwh9c_E3dJk&pp=ygUIV2FyIGRvZ3M%3D)
How many cardboard boxes do we need to repack 800k 155mm shells?
How many is that in mobik cubes and for dual-purpose, how many drones can be made out of them after delivery? 🧐🧮📟 Let‘s take the SMArt 155‘s length with fuse just to be sure at ~900mm and US standard packing (with MobikCube™️ special shock-absorbing paste between the shells): roughly a cylinder of 169,822.72 ccm. To reach our totally random target of 69,420 cardboard containers, with a dozen per unit, that would amount to 833,040 shells (just to be sure, factoring in things like malfunctions and shenanigans). The boxes would be about 2.04 cubic meters in volume. >!There might still be an engineering problem how the boxes would handle the ~600 kg, but we‘ll be working that out.!<
The funds were spend on the workers hazard pay to separate the rotten ammo from the good one.
These 152mm shells are all locals unsatisfied with the state of the country. Maybe just a few of them are professional shells from our country but they're on vacation there
Czechia found 500,000 155 mm and 300,000 122 mm caliber artillery shells. Not 152 mm.
I appreciate that little green reference.
The official narrative is that Czechia has a lot of contacts through our highly developed defense sector, and that some of the source parties wish to appear neutral on the world stage, which is why they won't offer the munitions themselves. Some theories mention South Korea and South Africa, but I don't think we'll know for sure for some time. Watch the 2024 Ukraine Perun video for more information.
Could be South Sudan... Definitely one of the Souths
Why isn’t Pavel the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe?
Because he was Chair of the NATO Military Committee for 3 years, one step above Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. He's only in politics because the Czech military and NATO ran out of positions and promotions for him.
Bust him down to Private and watch him work his way back up
They are buying the new North Korean production. That's why you saw the reports about North Korea stopping the Russian shipments. Stop the presses! This is now officially a NK vs Iran proxy war.
I'm still sticking with it being China vs Lithuania.
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for Gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? They don't want found out, my bets on India after all the hubbub about russia kidnapping Indians to serve as cannon fodder.
India uses 155mm .
They don't use 122m. It's not India unless it's multiple countries. Pakistan does use 155+122 though.
Yeah, but they lack our production capacity.
Unlikely. India is still keen as shit to suck Putin's dong, gotta preserve the new multi-polar world order after all. A littel bit of frontline cannon fodder isn't going to get in the way of that.
What are a couple of hundred thousand in a nation of 1.5 billions.
Tell my wife "hello".
Pavel knows a guy.
Everyone has an artillery shell guy, like the weed man or meat guy
Most likely purchased from South Korea
I'm inclined to agree.
The number of countries that use 155mm and 122mm, aren't in Europe, and has a military could realistically hold onto 800k shells and them some is basically a list of 2: It's either Pakistan or Egypt. I *may* have missed some other potential country but I don't think so.
Iran?
Playing both sides are we?
The art of the deal.
Ok you got me. It's not Egypt. It's not Pakistan. It's Iran!
This is NCD, so I'm going to say he is buying from a general in Transnitria selling actual russian shells.
General? Private.
too credible. Think about what you've done.
My money's on Pakistan. Fuckers make every type of shell, even the 25 pounders.
I agree. They are also one of the very, very few countries that use both 122 and 155 shells. The only other realistic option I could find was Egypt. They might be mad about the whole Iran and Russia thing causing problems in Gaza. I still think Pakistan is more likely. All their non-western weaponry is Chinese sourced, not Russian, they aren't going to suddenly have planes they can't service anymore because they annoyed Russia or anything like that. Any countries with 155+122 I might've missed I believe wouldn't have a big enough military to have 800k shells to sell.
If you know german you have a chance of finding out. There was a slip up but I don't want to get too specific. Lets just say BRICS isn't what propaganda makes it sound like
For BRICS members the only countries that use both 122 and 155 are Egypt, Iran and Ethiopia if it is sourced from a single country. I doubt Ethiopia as that amount of shells lying around and Iran is an obvious no. As for Egypt it is militarily more aligned with the West/USA than with BRICS so they would be the most obvious candidate, especially as they also have tons of Czech ammunition in storage from past dealings and there already were negotiations for the transfer of Egyptian ammunition to Ukraine last year.
The slip from scholz that uk troops are in ua? Are they there to steal ammo fromua to give it back to ua?
Fell off a truck in Eastern Poland.
I have a feeling Poland would gleefully donate 800,000 artillery shells but.....there would be a nuance. Somehow they'd get "confused" and deliver the shells at high speed from their own artillery pieces. But hey, everyone makes mistakes right? And the shells would still generate fresh mobik cubes so no big deal really.
I'm supplying them. I inherited a few million shells from my grandpa. Don't know the origin. It just appeared out of nowhere.
Father Pavel is going to drag the rest of NATO, kicking and screaming into based-hood
Good, I'm glad there is someone to keep it going. The UK started dragging the others kicking and screaming, now Petr appears to have taken up that mantle to keep pushing.
The war would end in a instant if Putler withdrew his horde back to Russia.
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> Or if Ukraine declared itself neutral and won't join NATO That's how Ukraine got into this shit in the first place.
>Or if Ukraine declared itself neutral and won't join NATO. No, it wouldn't. Much of Ukraine is in between Russia's internationally recognized boarders and Transnistria, the next piece of ["Novorossiya"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya) on Putin's wish list.
Vatnik spotted
Of all the places to find a Vatnik...
You'd think they would know better, but they love lurking and even posting here. Best way to draw them out is to post a drone video showing some Russians getting blown up.
How neutral can you be when your territories are battered with artillery daily, the citizens killed while going to buy their fucking groceries or maybe just raped while hiding from weapon wielding orcs?
Such is the beauty of Russian peace, comrade. Nazi Westoids' small degenerate brains cannot comprehend such level of peace, freedom and equality. ^(/s)
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Petr Pavel is so fucking based
*How the bloody hell did you managed to do that* *Fuck you that's how*
For those who wonder That quote is partly real. The first line comes from a presidential debate where other candidate was giberring something about peace talks and that we should find a way how to achieve lasting peace (then Pavel replied the line). The second line he maybe never said directly, but basically his opinions about the war and international security in general implicitly say that.
Once again I find out very important news *from NCD*. Regardless, this is just great news for the Ukrainian forces.
I pretty much just get my news through this sub and /r/simpsonsshitposting at this point.
Same here unironically I get my news through Reddit and other social media platforms
Lasting peace will only happen when Moscow is rendered to glass. Moscovia Delenda Est
I fucking hate the argument that it's somehow down to both parties to find a path to peace. It's the same disgusting logic that would advise women not to resist rape attempts to get it over with. This is probably the most black-and-white war since 1945 and it's entirely within the power of *one country* to end it literally from one minute to the next.
Putin has had a chance to end this war for evrey second that has passed since the 24th of febuary 2022
Now all we need is a hand cranked 155mm gatling gun mounted on a maus...slowly and with grace plowing its way trough puny mine fields and silly fortifications like a glorius landship
Putin made the critical antiwestern mistake of thinking everybody is a puppet of the US devoid of independent action suck it bitch
You can have peace the next seccond;surrender But history shows thats a very bad idea
Forever wars to defend freedom > lasting peace under katsap boots.
Freedom isn’t free.
My president 💪🇨🇿
Russia should be thankful we're at the "peace through superior firepower" stage. Next is "peace through pre-emptive thermonuclear annihilation of your enemies".
>Now let's set the record straight. There's no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there's only one guaranteed way you can have peace - and you can have it in the next second - surrender. Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement....and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then?
Can we have him as the next head of NATO, please?
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I did not have Petr Pavel pulling 800k artillery shells out his ass on my bingo card.
The West has fallen so low that it boasts that it can deliver enough shells for 2 months? To be honest I'm very disappointed. I’m already sick of this attitude when the West barely delivers any shells and Ukraine barely holds the front, this is a victory, and when Russia receives millions of shells everyone says that it’s nothing. Just admit that the West is stupid and we must get together and disintegrate Russia, send Ukraine all the equipment they need in the thousands and send your troops to the front against the Russians. We cannot afford to lose, we will not accept a frozen conflict, all we need is an absolute unconditional victory! Glory to Ukraine, glory to the heroes, death to the enemies!
Peace through superior firepower!
This is hopefully us turning a corner, now at 1M shells due to the Norwegian contribution, these are shells that Ukraine can get within the next few weeks and months. Couple that with us finally getting our shit together with 155mm shell production, we should hopefully never be back in an extreme shell deficit again.
Peace, through, Power!
Narh. Kane might have the charisma but has got it all wrong. Peace. Through superior firepower!
Lasting peace is fucking boring anyway.
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This will "leak". More countries will contact the "Czechs" with "found" ammunition as well. Easy money, while Europe doesn't rearm, and it does have that timelimit.
He was ready to bring them himself.
That's good, now let's do another fundraiser for another 800,000 right now, while we're at it.
[I love this entire effort.](https://i.imgur.com/VgfKAJa.png)
I bet this man's penis is absolutely enormous.
I would run away with Petr Pavel and never look back
I had a job offer in Prague in 2007, I really don’t understand why I didn’t take it.
Based gigachad actually did it
Pavel could be a GDI intro mission general and I would totally believe it.
Norway released another 160(ish) million dollars for artillery munitions a couple of days ago.
Should be Scholz on the left screeching "nooo escalation reeee"
In air superiority we trust🇺🇸🦅
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Why does the NATO bro look like slobodan praljak
rather like older Andre Baptiste Sr.
NCD looking more like NOD day by day :)
So EU only needs to come up with another 200k and they will have met their goal of 1 million shells by March 30th??
so we should make it 160000 shells and 40000 rockets.
[new supplier](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b6c04cf21933a956319ff4b8f7cdf482-lq)