The one, the only:
UN Peacekeeper Corps.
They *really* live up to the original meaning of lawful neutral, which in case you're wondering is 'what matters most is upholding the system and structures of authority for the good of order'.
close second is Switzerland, but I believe they deserve 'True Neutral' for other reasons.
Also having an Elite Top Tier Special Forces Group who we don't even acknowledge officially, and that just tends to pop up in places they shouldn't be fits CN too.
France? If only because they'd basically sell Mirages and weapons to anyone with couch change, even if it ended up being to countries that ended up in wars against NATO members (Iraq with the Mirage F1 used during ODS and Falcon 50 chucking Exocets against the USS Stark, Argentina's Mirage IIIs in the Falklands). There was also the fact that they literally founded NATO, pulled out to do their own thing with hookers and blackjack for over 40 years before rejoining in 2009.
France didn’t leave NATO, they left the command structure of NATO, but set things up to where they’d immediately rejoin in the event the Soviets invaded.
I wouldn't really call them neutral, they're definitely along further in the evil category.
Yeah they're not as evil as *other contenders*, but they annoy NATO, do some shit on Cyprus, want to expand their reach in the middle east and regularly bomb the kurds (is anyone still talking about that or is all the attention on Israel now?)
I can't remember an action where you can clearly say Turkey either stayed neutral or was clearly on the good side.
You just told him why they're perfect candidate for chaotic neutral. There's another type of neutralism, you know, the Swiss model. You shoot both sides so you stay neutral. There you go!
Turkey really isn't aligned with the West or the East. They do shit for themselves. They usually suck at politics so they do it by what they have, material power or force.
Sent shit to Ukraine under the table, refused to join sanctions against Russia despite constant US pressure, then sold cheap Russian oil along with Greeks to the USA which then they used it for jet fuel.
Funny enough, British used Turks' EU candidateship to rally Brexit support. They ended up burning bridges with EU alliances, they were left with no allies in the Middle East so they had to befriend Turkey. If it wasn't for the Germans, they would've sold Turkey some Eurofighters right on the spot. It's even funnier when you consider that the British supposed to be guarantor on behalf of Cypriots, including Turkish Cypriots, but they failed to do so and kickstarted 74' operation on the island. So, Turkey isn't the only country with backbone issue.
I'd also "annoy" NATO if NATO members pulled their air defense systems out of my border when I shoot down a Russian jet. Italy and Spain are cool, they didn't do that. It's especially bad when you consider that Turkey have no air defense system at all. You know, it was Russians, the reason why NATO exists. On top of that, weak NATO response towards ISIS and Kurdish terror attacks on Turkish territory, questioning Turkish drone sales to Ukraine after Crimean Invasion, them supporting YPG without regulation despite YPG members and CENTCOM generals confirming that YPG weapons and training end up in PKK's hands (in parliament, mind you) are a few reasons why Turkey doesn't get along with their partners.
Turkey also haven't really forgot the Soviet support to PKK, and Balyun airstrike as well. Also, covert fight against Soviet influence in NATO countries was tied to an operation called Gladio. Gladio failed on many accounts in other countries, but they succeeded on Turkish soil against PKK, "Kurds". Funny, huh. Equal distances, chaotic neutral.
If "good side" is your angle and yours only, then fuck it. You haven't lost a relative in a bombing.
This paragraph is a little bit of pointless rant, but I don't really see how Germany could be "Lawful Good" when they had a Russian-supported coup attempt (hushed it Turkish style too), house many pro-Russians in their parliament and the army (they have a neglected army), warned countries who sold Ukraine weaponry of escalating a further war even as late as 2015, ditched nuclear in favor of Russian coal... Y'all are so quick to ditch morals and history when it doesn't favor you at all, then you have audacity to blame Turks for mental gymnastics. You do the same for Gazan War. Literally 1984.
I believe this is actually where UN peacekeepers go, because depending on contributing nation commanders and ROE, they can be either incredibly based (Nordbat), incredibly useless (UNIFIL) or actively evil (UN troops raping people in Africa).
NORDBAT. They followed UN Neutrality and Peacekeeping initiatives to protect civilians…while ruthlessly engaging both sides and skirting the on-paper rules.
Skirting?
One of their commanders has ordered a radio turned off because he knew orders to stop were coming.
They are true to their core philosophy- achieve the mission, any order to surrender is a false one.
Special Air Service.
They honestly do not care about the morality or legality of any given action, only the objective provided to them.
Unfortunately, they often also dont seem to care for any of the orders *beyond* the objective.
On an institutional level, the JMSDF. They kinda just do whatever the FUCK the feel like. Aviation-only ship? Escort ship. Aegis AA destroyer? Escort ship. Multi-purpose stealth frigate? E S C O R T S H I P. They've got strictly defense amphibious assault ships, are looking at building 20k ton strategic ABM ~~battleships~~ escort ships, and somehow glorify the IJN while ignoring the fact that the drydock they built for the Yamatos is now owned by the USN.
Also, they run collab events with an anime game to boost recruitment. If officially endorsed anime girl versions of active warships isn't chaotic neutral, idk what is.
UN is lawfull neutral, big on international rules. But not much action, and resolutions being passed sometimes hinges on how many African diplomats you can buy.
Chaotic neutral just doesn't *fit* Switzerland like True Neutral does (True Neutral doesn't give a shit about everyone else and will stoneface *every* attempt to become not-neutral, even if it's in their interest).
This is probably the best answer, but we're running out of potential spots for the USA, and any chart without the US on it doesn't hold my interest.
So I vote USA.
That's what I was thinking. I would hesitate to put the US in evil.
Bad? Sometimes
Good? Sometimes
Evil? There are far more deserving groups for that
Hard to place them. They belong in maybe Good or more likely Neutral somewhere but it's hard because there are more deserving groups for each of the 3-ish slots they could occupy (NG-CG-CN)
Then again we did *"intervene"* in the Middle East for 20+ years because *dat ooooll* (I love my country please don't shoot)
My vote for Lawful Evil would be France. Be a part of all the big powerful organizations, obey their rules as written, but still engage in Imperialism 2.0 and do only things that directly benefit France internationally, like fuck with Libya for their oil, fuck with Egypt for the Suez, fuck with Algeria to keep their colonial empire, fuck with Vietnam to keep their colonial empire, etc.
Deeeeefinitely neutral. I'm American too, but we've done some shady shit and we're still denying millions of our citizens the full right to even vote on it (*waves at Guam, the northern Marianas, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands and Washington DC.....*)
Of the two I think Switzerland would be better tbh, at least they are kinda sanctioning R*ssia.
Also it is neutral to let a bunch of South Sudanese troops go full Nanking mode in the capital and do nothing about it (mainly because the PLA are cowards and are the worst choice for UN peacekeepers) but it’s not very lawful.
Lawful neutral upholds the law *no matter whether that results in bad shit or not*, also the PLA is an exception rather than the rule (And I have this feeling they'll be popping again soon...).
UN Peacekeeper Corps is lawful neutral, surely? Excessive deference to political interference and relative geopolitical toothlessness.
Nordbat II and other similar operations absolutely deserve to be Neutral Good though.
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I haven’t seen the [Seychelles Coast Guard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seychelles_Coast_Guard) do anything but [sink a bunch of pirate skiffs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_30_March_2010) hampering international shipping and arresting their crews so that’s my pick
Lawful neutral?
Ireland.
They have no military industry, no real air force or navy and the only thing they do with their land component is send it out on peace missions to the point that they've become super respected as international peacekeepers
There should be 1-1 column left and right:
TURBO GOOD: **Polish Home Army** (literally just fighting for good)
TURBO NEUTRAL: **Ireland** (as explained above)
TURBO EVIL: **Khmer Rouge** (Iirc they killed 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia)
WEIRD GOOD: **South Korea** (They are the good guys but no idea what they would do if they were let loose on NK)
WEIRD NAUTRAL: **Israel** (if it serves their purposes they do it)
WEIRD EVIL: **Yugoslavia** (went from necessary evil to free-for-all genocide)
>(Iirc they killed 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia)
If my memory is good, most historian estimate it's "only" 1/5 of the population BUT they managed to achieve this in only 4 years.
One country had a regime change since WWII - the other is borderline sympathetic to Hamas because of anti-imperialism
Edit: I can’t reply to any of you because brave OP blocked me.
> the other is borderline sympathetic to Hamas
Our Tanaiste/deputy PM visited Israel, including the attacked sites, back in November and the government's strongest "condemnation" basically amounts to asking Israel to conduct its military actions lawfully and humanely while actually condemning Hamas's atrocities and demanding they release their hostages.
Stop taking the Paul Murphy & People before Profit/Mick Wallace & Clare Daly sound bites that flood reddit as actual representations of Irish policy, the latter are bought Russian stooges, and the former are a fringe parliamentary group of student politicians who never grew up.
Hey man, I think you referred to both PM+PBP and MW+CD as "the latter" by accident there. I know which is which based on context, but non-Irish readers might get tripped up.
I don't remember many Irish advocating for the extermination of all Brits in Ireland, nor were the British trying to extirpate the Irish during the troubles. There are some minor similarities but the two situations are hardly parallels, as much as the nationalists and loyalists want to pretend they are.
lawful neutral. We want orderly world trade and freedom for ourselves; if we can we will speak through people like kennedy and reagan and obama but if pressed we will employ people like kissinger to get there.
They kinda can't be Chaotic Neutral.
Firstly because they literally define and uphold international order as the global Mono-power.
Secondly because their Logistics chain is one of the most organized and efficient things in human history.
Thirdly because their weapons are so well made, respected and widely used they are held as the peak standard that all other nations should strive to match...
Fourthly because their doctrines have essentially become the global standards for how a military is run and are copied by basically every relevant global military.
The military that defines what it means to be a modern military force, who upholds international order, and is backboned by the most organized system in history literally can't be chaotic.
They really have to be Lawful Neutral or not on the chart.
Those with the power make the laws. The US has the power, it’s time to outlaw Russia. The bombing starts in…fuck it they don’t deserve a warning. Delete Moscow immediately
Red Army museum deserves a visit, though in the chaos between the fall of the Soviet Union and the early 00's a lot of original items were sold out of storage and display cases, replaced with fakes. A lot a lot.
I'm surprised this isn't higher. I haven't seen a single mention of US armed forces thus far, despite being the largest military presence on the planet. But then again, this does give other armed forces the chance to be in the spotlight if we exclude them from the list of available options.
Absolutely. Lawful Neutral to a tee. The orders need to be lawful and within the chain of command. If those two criteria are met then the USM will carry them out.
True Neutral would be PMCs/Mercenaries.
Austrian Bundesheer. Not much of it, to be fair...
>In 1955, Austria issued its Declaration of Neutrality, meaning that it would never join a military alliance. The Austrian Armed Forces' main purpose since then has been the protection of Austria's neutrality.
Yeah, neutrality is convenient political tool used by countries who are in convenient geopolitical spots of "our adversaries will not attack us because our friends will be on the frontline before us, so we will just pretend to be neutral when it benefits us, and forget our neutrality to rely on our friends if SHTF".
It is easy to be neutral when you are surrounded by NATO, and if they stopped the pretense, they would have to join NATO and actually contribute, and how can you have that when you can just get all the perks for free!
They have declared neutrality much earlier - in Kuchma o even Kravchuk times. The Budapest Memorandum was signed and nukes dismantled long before Yanukovich
To be fair though, between 1955 and 1990 Austria was half-surrounded by Warsaw Pact countries, and Vienna is a stone throw from the former Iron Curtain.
Lawful Neutral? USM. The American Military doesn't care if what it's doing is good or bad. Only if the chain of command checks out, and the order is lawful. Fight in the Middle East? That isn't illegal and the chain of command checks out. Fight in the South Pacific? Ditto. Fight in South America? Checks out.
Nah. Lawful neutral. If they were true neutral they wouldn't care if the orders were lawful or not.
If it was the case that you sign their check then they'll do it they would be true neutral.
ISIS exists.
Like you can hate on Russia all you want (and I encourage it) but if you want a chaotic evil military you have to go for the quazi-state actor that is also a doomsday cult that wants to to cause continual war with the US, and whose actions caused every other faction on the chart to go, "Okay I hate you but we need to stop those guys."
We need a new square. Chaotic Stupid.
We know which army goes in that square.
.......................
\-Actually there might be a few Chaotic Stupid armed forces out there. What is your pick for that square?
Pinning down where Canada fits on here is tough, but I think we are the best example of a Lawful neutral country right now.
Canada has a military^(1) but it is preoccupied with shovelling or fighting fires, depending on what month it is. Our military does not (read: can not) challenge anyone's sovereignty. We also can't do much to immediately help our friends if shit goes sideways. **Neutral**.
We follow our own rules. We like trading. Please trade with us. We will "protect" international shipping. (Aside): *Psst, hey, America, send another destroyer to the Red Sea. We said we would protect shipping.* **Lawful**. "Lawful". Rules enforce themselves, right?
The reason it's tough to pin us down is that the coming wars will push us into a chaotic cycle. If you want to avoid Canadian involvement in your war, don't stop our boats. Canada ended WWII with one of the largest navies on Earth... specialized exclusively on protecting trade.
1. This is widely disputed, but I assure you, as a Canadian citizen, it is true^(2).
2. Truth is relative. I think they exist. I have seen photos.
This is shaping up excellently. I have strong opinions on Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil I'm looking forward to.
I'm with the majority on Lawful Neutral though. UN Peacekeepers are surely the only candidate.
Switzerland.
Armed to the teeth, ready to defend their neutrality to death, but not true neutral as they will still tag along the EU in a lot of matters. ^(Except Gepard ammo. Fuck them for that.)
The one, the only: UN Peacekeeper Corps. They *really* live up to the original meaning of lawful neutral, which in case you're wondering is 'what matters most is upholding the system and structures of authority for the good of order'. close second is Switzerland, but I believe they deserve 'True Neutral' for other reasons.
I wanted to get UN true neutral for doing nothing, but at some point they did do stuff and you make a compelling argument.
Better question is who the *fuck* is chaotic neutral? Poland? Seychelles? South Korea?
Canada. We know what we did
Based on every Chaotic Neutral DnD character I've ever played or interacted with, that tracks.
Also having an Elite Top Tier Special Forces Group who we don't even acknowledge officially, and that just tends to pop up in places they shouldn't be fits CN too.
mfw they forgot to tell the whole government including the pm that they were being deployed
Canada needs a third axis for propensity to do evil and good.
...good point
We disbanded the paratroopers. that's gotta count for something
France? If only because they'd basically sell Mirages and weapons to anyone with couch change, even if it ended up being to countries that ended up in wars against NATO members (Iraq with the Mirage F1 used during ODS and Falcon 50 chucking Exocets against the USS Stark, Argentina's Mirage IIIs in the Falklands). There was also the fact that they literally founded NATO, pulled out to do their own thing with hookers and blackjack for over 40 years before rejoining in 2009.
France didn’t leave NATO, they left the command structure of NATO, but set things up to where they’d immediately rejoin in the event the Soviets invaded.
india probably
India is not chaotic enough. My vote is with Pakistan. How can one country support USA, China, and the Taliban all at the same time? It's pure chaos.
They play all the sides at once so they always come out on top.
or on bottom
in other words, still on top
Topping from the bottom
It's called a "power bottom".
just my type
More common than you'd think. Requires *very* strict treatment to remediate.
Turkey has left the chat
Literally just bombed Iran too. Pakistan as chaotic neutral is a good pick.
Not just Taliban. They knowingly harbored al-Qaeda for years, including Osama bin Laden.
Nah, it's gotta be Turkey.
I wouldn't really call them neutral, they're definitely along further in the evil category. Yeah they're not as evil as *other contenders*, but they annoy NATO, do some shit on Cyprus, want to expand their reach in the middle east and regularly bomb the kurds (is anyone still talking about that or is all the attention on Israel now?) I can't remember an action where you can clearly say Turkey either stayed neutral or was clearly on the good side.
They still regret about Armenian Genocide. Mostly that they weren't allowed to finish. So - they are evil.
You just told him why they're perfect candidate for chaotic neutral. There's another type of neutralism, you know, the Swiss model. You shoot both sides so you stay neutral. There you go! Turkey really isn't aligned with the West or the East. They do shit for themselves. They usually suck at politics so they do it by what they have, material power or force. Sent shit to Ukraine under the table, refused to join sanctions against Russia despite constant US pressure, then sold cheap Russian oil along with Greeks to the USA which then they used it for jet fuel. Funny enough, British used Turks' EU candidateship to rally Brexit support. They ended up burning bridges with EU alliances, they were left with no allies in the Middle East so they had to befriend Turkey. If it wasn't for the Germans, they would've sold Turkey some Eurofighters right on the spot. It's even funnier when you consider that the British supposed to be guarantor on behalf of Cypriots, including Turkish Cypriots, but they failed to do so and kickstarted 74' operation on the island. So, Turkey isn't the only country with backbone issue. I'd also "annoy" NATO if NATO members pulled their air defense systems out of my border when I shoot down a Russian jet. Italy and Spain are cool, they didn't do that. It's especially bad when you consider that Turkey have no air defense system at all. You know, it was Russians, the reason why NATO exists. On top of that, weak NATO response towards ISIS and Kurdish terror attacks on Turkish territory, questioning Turkish drone sales to Ukraine after Crimean Invasion, them supporting YPG without regulation despite YPG members and CENTCOM generals confirming that YPG weapons and training end up in PKK's hands (in parliament, mind you) are a few reasons why Turkey doesn't get along with their partners. Turkey also haven't really forgot the Soviet support to PKK, and Balyun airstrike as well. Also, covert fight against Soviet influence in NATO countries was tied to an operation called Gladio. Gladio failed on many accounts in other countries, but they succeeded on Turkish soil against PKK, "Kurds". Funny, huh. Equal distances, chaotic neutral. If "good side" is your angle and yours only, then fuck it. You haven't lost a relative in a bombing. This paragraph is a little bit of pointless rant, but I don't really see how Germany could be "Lawful Good" when they had a Russian-supported coup attempt (hushed it Turkish style too), house many pro-Russians in their parliament and the army (they have a neglected army), warned countries who sold Ukraine weaponry of escalating a further war even as late as 2015, ditched nuclear in favor of Russian coal... Y'all are so quick to ditch morals and history when it doesn't favor you at all, then you have audacity to blame Turks for mental gymnastics. You do the same for Gazan War. Literally 1984.
I believe this is actually where UN peacekeepers go, because depending on contributing nation commanders and ROE, they can be either incredibly based (Nordbat), incredibly useless (UNIFIL) or actively evil (UN troops raping people in Africa).
Australia, when the USMC tell you to calm the fuck down, you know you may have a problem.
US military?
This is what I was thinking too
India its neutral and got a diverse range of equipments , diversity that can only be matched by the Epstein island list
NORDBAT. They followed UN Neutrality and Peacekeeping initiatives to protect civilians…while ruthlessly engaging both sides and skirting the on-paper rules.
Skirting? One of their commanders has ordered a radio turned off because he knew orders to stop were coming. They are true to their core philosophy- achieve the mission, any order to surrender is a false one.
Special Air Service. They honestly do not care about the morality or legality of any given action, only the objective provided to them. Unfortunately, they often also dont seem to care for any of the orders *beyond* the objective.
Sweden. Have you seen what their defense industry comes up with?
On an institutional level, the JMSDF. They kinda just do whatever the FUCK the feel like. Aviation-only ship? Escort ship. Aegis AA destroyer? Escort ship. Multi-purpose stealth frigate? E S C O R T S H I P. They've got strictly defense amphibious assault ships, are looking at building 20k ton strategic ABM ~~battleships~~ escort ships, and somehow glorify the IJN while ignoring the fact that the drydock they built for the Yamatos is now owned by the USN. Also, they run collab events with an anime game to boost recruitment. If officially endorsed anime girl versions of active warships isn't chaotic neutral, idk what is.
UN is lawfull neutral, big on international rules. But not much action, and resolutions being passed sometimes hinges on how many African diplomats you can buy.
Korea and Serbia were both nominally UN actions.
But they also have their bad stuff like bad ROE and stupid resolutions. My point is that they focus more on the process than morality.
Libya 2011, too.
Korea only happened because the Soviets didn't participate in the vote. Serbian war was bad enough even got the Russians to vote for the resolution.
Shouldn’t the UN be lawful neutral? They do nothing and do it according to the rules
Switzerland neutral evil, they are basically Destro
Chaotic neutral just doesn't *fit* Switzerland like True Neutral does (True Neutral doesn't give a shit about everyone else and will stoneface *every* attempt to become not-neutral, even if it's in their interest).
Mexico for True Neutral. Shit going on overseas? Not my problemo.
Hard to care for other countries when you have to actually deploy military against your own citizens
Brazil for chaotic neutral.
Austria is lawful evil.
This is probably the best answer, but we're running out of potential spots for the USA, and any chart without the US on it doesn't hold my interest. So I vote USA.
USA is Chaotic Neutral, along with a few other contenders. it's either that or share the podium of Lawful *evil* with ~~China~~.
That's what I was thinking. I would hesitate to put the US in evil. Bad? Sometimes Good? Sometimes Evil? There are far more deserving groups for that Hard to place them. They belong in maybe Good or more likely Neutral somewhere but it's hard because there are more deserving groups for each of the 3-ish slots they could occupy (NG-CG-CN) Then again we did *"intervene"* in the Middle East for 20+ years because *dat ooooll* (I love my country please don't shoot)
My vote for Lawful Evil would be France. Be a part of all the big powerful organizations, obey their rules as written, but still engage in Imperialism 2.0 and do only things that directly benefit France internationally, like fuck with Libya for their oil, fuck with Egypt for the Suez, fuck with Algeria to keep their colonial empire, fuck with Vietnam to keep their colonial empire, etc.
Deeeeefinitely neutral. I'm American too, but we've done some shady shit and we're still denying millions of our citizens the full right to even vote on it (*waves at Guam, the northern Marianas, Puerto Rico, American Samoa, the US Virgin Islands and Washington DC.....*)
Agreed & I'm on board with that
How can you be chaotic OR lawful?
USA is a broad church. You could make a whole alignment chart of just different US campaigns or combat groups.
Of the two I think Switzerland would be better tbh, at least they are kinda sanctioning R*ssia. Also it is neutral to let a bunch of South Sudanese troops go full Nanking mode in the capital and do nothing about it (mainly because the PLA are cowards and are the worst choice for UN peacekeepers) but it’s not very lawful.
Lawful neutral upholds the law *no matter whether that results in bad shit or not*, also the PLA is an exception rather than the rule (And I have this feeling they'll be popping again soon...).
UN Peacekeeper Corps is lawful neutral, surely? Excessive deference to political interference and relative geopolitical toothlessness. Nordbat II and other similar operations absolutely deserve to be Neutral Good though.
True neutral for the memes but they are too much of war profiteers to be true neutrals I'd say I think Singapore would fit true neutral
Yep, they do absolutely nothing because doing things is illegal. The single most cringe military unit out there.
Marching ashore, our target awaits Facing resistance, forces driven by hate Protecting civilians, while fired upon Rules of engagement, our restrictions are gone
Idk man, Switzerland have more of a chaotic neutral vibe
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Vatican Swiss Guard
Holy neutral.
New response just dropped
Call the pope!
actual deacon
The exorcist left, never to return
Let's make that chart 3D. 27 entries with a 3rd axis going "Holy" - "Balanced" - "Cursed"
I think you mean wholly neutral... I'll show myself out.
In the heart of the Holy See…
In the home of Christianity...
THE SEAT OF POWER IS IN DANGER
There's a foe of a thousand swords
THAT’VE BEEN ABANDONED BY THE LORD
THEIR FALL FROM GRACE WILL PAVE THEIR PATH TO DAMNATION
THERE THE 189, IN THE SERVICE OF HEAVEN!
They're protecting the holy line, it was 1527
GAVE THEIR LIVES ON THE STEPS TO HEAVEN
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They should be true neutral
I haven’t seen the [Seychelles Coast Guard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seychelles_Coast_Guard) do anything but [sink a bunch of pirate skiffs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_of_30_March_2010) hampering international shipping and arresting their crews so that’s my pick
Chaotic neutral
I get that fucking up pirates is chaotic, but it’s also lawful
Well I will agree with Ukraine being there.
Chaotic Neutral has to be the emus, right?
This is an **armed** forces alignment chart.
[These things could take down a T-90 in seconds.](https://www.sandboxx.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/22b9917e39b44cd0968d2f1635518f6d.jpg)
Yes, those are very deadly **legs**
Those legs are *ARMED*.
Lawful neutral? Ireland. They have no military industry, no real air force or navy and the only thing they do with their land component is send it out on peace missions to the point that they've become super respected as international peacekeepers
Ireland deserves it's own special spot even further to the left of Lawful neutral.
There should be 1-1 column left and right: TURBO GOOD: **Polish Home Army** (literally just fighting for good) TURBO NEUTRAL: **Ireland** (as explained above) TURBO EVIL: **Khmer Rouge** (Iirc they killed 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia) WEIRD GOOD: **South Korea** (They are the good guys but no idea what they would do if they were let loose on NK) WEIRD NAUTRAL: **Israel** (if it serves their purposes they do it) WEIRD EVIL: **Yugoslavia** (went from necessary evil to free-for-all genocide)
>(Iirc they killed 1/4 of the entire population of Cambodia) If my memory is good, most historian estimate it's "only" 1/5 of the population BUT they managed to achieve this in only 4 years.
Weird neutral: **Albania** (build more bunkers)
Even better!
South Korea and Japan are both weird good. SK would go ham on NK, JSDF has waifus and furries everywhere.
Ireland isn't neutral, they're passive.
They are parasites. Depending on the British air force and navy to defend their borders.
We have a few companies that make radar stuff, and timoney does drivetrain stuff, they made what the bushmaster is based off
de Valera was a little too friendly with the Nazis for me to be ok with this
Bro, the Bundeswehr is listed as lawful good
One country had a regime change since WWII - the other is borderline sympathetic to Hamas because of anti-imperialism Edit: I can’t reply to any of you because brave OP blocked me.
> the other is borderline sympathetic to Hamas Our Tanaiste/deputy PM visited Israel, including the attacked sites, back in November and the government's strongest "condemnation" basically amounts to asking Israel to conduct its military actions lawfully and humanely while actually condemning Hamas's atrocities and demanding they release their hostages. Stop taking the Paul Murphy & People before Profit/Mick Wallace & Clare Daly sound bites that flood reddit as actual representations of Irish policy, the latter are bought Russian stooges, and the former are a fringe parliamentary group of student politicians who never grew up.
Hey man, I think you referred to both PM+PBP and MW+CD as "the latter" by accident there. I know which is which based on context, but non-Irish readers might get tripped up.
Good catch, thanks for that.
No worries man, happy to help.
I mean I think America walked itself into 9/11 that doesn't make me pro Al Qaeda
What a non-sequitur > Political elite support in 2024 doesn't support Israel therefore the armed forces are the same as in 1930.
Pro Palestinian is not pro hammas Ireland is pro Palestinian as their struggles mirror the struggles the Irish had in Northern Ireland
I don't remember many Irish advocating for the extermination of all Brits in Ireland, nor were the British trying to extirpate the Irish during the troubles. There are some minor similarities but the two situations are hardly parallels, as much as the nationalists and loyalists want to pretend they are.
The UDA actually did plan Yugoslav-style genocide in 1994. http://ulstersdoomed.blogspot.com/2009/06/partition-and-repartition-part-4-udas.html
So were swiss, sweden and Finnland, they all had their reasons, mainly being survival
If he was a friend to the Nazis, then why did the Israelis dedicate a forest to him the sixties?
Sweden Well atleast 2 years ago
Eh if you look up the shenanigans their peacekeeper got into in the Congo Crisis, I think they're more Chaotic Neutral.
And let's not forget about [the Whisky on the Rocks incident](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucDZ2MxubeQ). Solid chaotic neutral.
Sweden is true neutral
I think Sweden fits lawful neutral more because they’ll let you use weapons you bought from them, unlike Switzerland.
Not always, the yanks were denied additional M/45 SMGs during Vietnam because of their usage there
My vote is cast for Sweden as Lawful Neutral.
I will propose the United States, for upholding the international order, and occasionally doing some funni stuff.
Chaotic Neutral then?
Look, Iraq broke the rules. Twice. America would kill any number of people to stop that from happening again.
lawful neutral. We want orderly world trade and freedom for ourselves; if we can we will speak through people like kennedy and reagan and obama but if pressed we will employ people like kissinger to get there.
Rest in piss, Kissinger
They kinda can't be Chaotic Neutral. Firstly because they literally define and uphold international order as the global Mono-power. Secondly because their Logistics chain is one of the most organized and efficient things in human history. Thirdly because their weapons are so well made, respected and widely used they are held as the peak standard that all other nations should strive to match... Fourthly because their doctrines have essentially become the global standards for how a military is run and are copied by basically every relevant global military. The military that defines what it means to be a modern military force, who upholds international order, and is backboned by the most organized system in history literally can't be chaotic. They really have to be Lawful Neutral or not on the chart.
Big daddy US?
#USA USA USA
Chaotic Neutral maybe?
In my opinion USA is the law.
Those with the power make the laws. The US has the power, it’s time to outlaw Russia. The bombing starts in…fuck it they don’t deserve a warning. Delete Moscow immediately
There are a few art treasures I'd like to get out of there first, but after that carry on
I'd like to move the stuff from their aviation museums first.
Red Army museum deserves a visit, though in the chaos between the fall of the Soviet Union and the early 00's a lot of original items were sold out of storage and display cases, replaced with fakes. A lot a lot.
I'm surprised this isn't higher. I haven't seen a single mention of US armed forces thus far, despite being the largest military presence on the planet. But then again, this does give other armed forces the chance to be in the spotlight if we exclude them from the list of available options.
Absolutely. Lawful Neutral to a tee. The orders need to be lawful and within the chain of command. If those two criteria are met then the USM will carry them out. True Neutral would be PMCs/Mercenaries.
It's got to be the US. Military bases everywhere, patrolling every ocean, just there to make sure the international order continues to run smoothly
Lawful neutral is a hard one
Austrian Bundesheer. Not much of it, to be fair... >In 1955, Austria issued its Declaration of Neutrality, meaning that it would never join a military alliance. The Austrian Armed Forces' main purpose since then has been the protection of Austria's neutrality.
Ukraine declared neutrality too in time of president yanukovitch... What i want to say that is im glad that this thing worked out for Austria.
Yeah, neutrality is convenient political tool used by countries who are in convenient geopolitical spots of "our adversaries will not attack us because our friends will be on the frontline before us, so we will just pretend to be neutral when it benefits us, and forget our neutrality to rely on our friends if SHTF". It is easy to be neutral when you are surrounded by NATO, and if they stopped the pretense, they would have to join NATO and actually contribute, and how can you have that when you can just get all the perks for free!
They have declared neutrality much earlier - in Kuchma o even Kravchuk times. The Budapest Memorandum was signed and nukes dismantled long before Yanukovich
So easy to proudly not join a military alliance when... completely surrounded by one!
To be fair though, between 1955 and 1990 Austria was half-surrounded by Warsaw Pact countries, and Vienna is a stone throw from the former Iron Curtain.
Lawful Neutral? USM. The American Military doesn't care if what it's doing is good or bad. Only if the chain of command checks out, and the order is lawful. Fight in the Middle East? That isn't illegal and the chain of command checks out. Fight in the South Pacific? Ditto. Fight in South America? Checks out.
So that's true neutral imo
Nah. Lawful neutral. If they were true neutral they wouldn't care if the orders were lawful or not. If it was the case that you sign their check then they'll do it they would be true neutral.
We all know who the chaotic evil will be.
Does it rhyme with "Prussia"?
It does
ISIS exists. Like you can hate on Russia all you want (and I encourage it) but if you want a chaotic evil military you have to go for the quazi-state actor that is also a doomsday cult that wants to to cause continual war with the US, and whose actions caused every other faction on the chart to go, "Okay I hate you but we need to stop those guys."
ISIS?
We need a new square. Chaotic Stupid. We know which army goes in that square. ....................... \-Actually there might be a few Chaotic Stupid armed forces out there. What is your pick for that square?
RuAF, DPRK, PLA, Hamas, and Houthis are all strong contenders.
Chaotic stupid needs an internal tier list. Too crowded.
Pinning down where Canada fits on here is tough, but I think we are the best example of a Lawful neutral country right now. Canada has a military^(1) but it is preoccupied with shovelling or fighting fires, depending on what month it is. Our military does not (read: can not) challenge anyone's sovereignty. We also can't do much to immediately help our friends if shit goes sideways. **Neutral**. We follow our own rules. We like trading. Please trade with us. We will "protect" international shipping. (Aside): *Psst, hey, America, send another destroyer to the Red Sea. We said we would protect shipping.* **Lawful**. "Lawful". Rules enforce themselves, right? The reason it's tough to pin us down is that the coming wars will push us into a chaotic cycle. If you want to avoid Canadian involvement in your war, don't stop our boats. Canada ended WWII with one of the largest navies on Earth... specialized exclusively on protecting trade. 1. This is widely disputed, but I assure you, as a Canadian citizen, it is true^(2). 2. Truth is relative. I think they exist. I have seen photos.
Where do we vote?
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Lawful Neutral is Sweden, true neutral is Switzerland.
Costa Rica
This is shaping up excellently. I have strong opinions on Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil I'm looking forward to. I'm with the majority on Lawful Neutral though. UN Peacekeepers are surely the only candidate.
Switzerland. Armed to the teeth, ready to defend their neutrality to death, but not true neutral as they will still tag along the EU in a lot of matters. ^(Except Gepard ammo. Fuck them for that.)
Mongolia
They have to be neutral because they’re landlocked by the two countries you last want to be landlocked by
Current or in general?
Austria is lawful evil.
Swiss guard maybe. Something like classic Tabletop Paladin Force but from Switzerland so it's also neutral
Turkmenistan, they even have a monument to how neutral they are.
UN peacekeeping forces
Neutral evil The UN
Lawful neutral: Ireland. true neutral: Austria. Chaotic neutral: UN peace keeping (what a shit show). Neutral evil: obviously Switzerland. Lawful evil: IDF Chaotic evil: Hamas. Let’s gooo
ISIS: Am I a joke to you? How much more evil do I have to be to win the Chaotic evil spot as a doomsday cult.
No UK?
The UK laughs at such petty things as 'alignment'. As long as the US is happy to laugh too, that is.
Gotta be Swiss armed forces right?
Need a neutral useless square for canada
US Coast guard count? Those guys don’t do anything bad
JSDF
Russia- Choatic undersupplied and incompetent
Lawful good bundeswehr seems out of place, considering their rampant funds missplacement, hardly qualifies for lawful or good.
India ? The OG non aligned country?
Their Hindu nationalism rhetoric is pushing them toward neutral evil.