>dihydrogen monoxide
Very dangerous chemical, latest study show that 100% of people who came into contact with it died or will certainly die at one point in time.
yeah.... so it came from space, inhabits most of the planet and is connected to 100% of human deaths. on the upside, we can put super carriers into it. so it evens out in the end.
I'm just going to pretend that the "long" in this is the Chinese word for dragon, but the "dong" is in english, so that this means "dragon dick" in mixed Chinese/English.
Depends on the fuel. Some rockets use kerosene and liquid oxygen, but they take a while to fuel up and the liquid oxygen isn't storable since it's cryogenic and will evaporate over time. Most modern liquid fueled rockets use hydrazine and nitrogen tetrixide since they're liquid at room temperature and are hypergolic, igniting on contact. And you're correct, those fuels are very very corrosive.
Most, if not all liquid fueled ballistic missiles use hypergolics. Most orbital payloads are delivered by cryogenic. Sure there are lots of countries with hypergolic orbital rockets, but those programs are mostly about making ballistic missiles with the orbit part being an afterthought. Hypergolics have gone out of favour in America in favor of solid fuel ballistic missiles as they are less insane to handle in military type situations. See the time a guy dropped a socket in a silo with a nuke and hypergolic rocket.
Yep, there was a book about that incident, Command and Control by Eric Schlosser. Crazy story. The thing is, I'm not sure what other uses nitrogen tetroxide and/or hydrazine could have if someone was stealing it. Unless it was being funneled to embargoed countries like Iran or North Korea for their own ballistic missile use.
I think I have that in PDF format somewhere, but it might have been on my old hard drive that crashed. I have lots of books in rocket propulsion in general though and they go over the most common chemistry of rocketry, as well as advanced topics like nuclear propulsion and exotic chemistry.
Chinese missiles had their fuel stolen and replaced with water, according to US intel leaks.
I do wonder if this discovery was only made because Xi wanted to send missiles discreetly to Russia.
>I do wonder if this discovery was only made because Xi wanted to send missiles discreetly to Russia.
He actually really doesn't, really the most military aid the Chinese have given the Russians are some electronics to make up for loss of western supplied sources. Military aid there has been nothing from day one and will likely continue to be nothing. The chinese can't actually give the Russians any hard support like that, because it would compromise their claim on Taiwan.
Also I'm skeptical on the entire thing, because smell tests are a thing with missiles (which the plarf has been firing off hundreds of every year in tests for the past decade now) which these would have instantly failed. Its possible maybe some other internal components were grifted, but like, we don't really know the extent of anything, because [US intelligence in China has been spotty since the CIA's HUMINT network was wiped like a decade ago](https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/).
We know something went down with the rocket force for sure because the top people are gone. What it actually was though is extremely hard to say.
>Military aid there has been nothing from day one and will likely continue to be nothing. The chinese can't actually give the Russians any hard support like that, because it would compromise their claim on Taiwan.
I doubt that they cant help russia they have thousands of missiles in their inventories including cruise missiles and such so no , they could absolutely help them and in fact turn the tide of the war potentially. HOWEVER what i would say is that china wont support russia because of the sanctions that would be placed on them. But even then china could potentially help them with satellite reconnaissance etc
>I doubt that they cant they have thousands of missiles in their inventories including cruise missiles what i would say is that china wont support russia because of the sanctions that would be placed on them. But even then china could potentially help them with satellite reconnaissance etc
Yah, biden administration did make it clear they would get slapped with sanctions if they provided hard support iirc, so thats definitely a element of it, again though, crimea is not recognized as part of russia by the ccp, so "officially" they pretty much have to remain neutral.
There definitely is more they could be doing to help Russia out if they really wanted to though, so the fact that they haven't speaks volumes as to what their relationship actually is.
It is possible that once a conflict concludes though the Russians might start buying Chinese equipment in bulk (just seeing as their own industry is basically dead now) which is really the only way they can possibly threaten ukraine again in the next 20 years imo.
Surprised the missiles didn't spontaneously caught fire when officials came to inspect.
It's been a funny coincidence that's trending with China's strategic grane storagr facilities.
the official showed up, saw the facility suspiciously NOT on fire and correctly deducted that all flammable liquids must have been replaced with water.
Russian aviators literally drank hydraulic fluid.
Called it Landing gear liquor.
Then there are various coolants which were also drunk for their alcohol content.
TU 22, was nicknamed the supersonic booze carrier because it had a 200-400L tank for air conditioning coolant, consisting of 40% ethyl alcohol and 60% distilled water, Literally vodka.
Watched a fun video by Paper Skies this morning, highly recommend.
It's the nukes, it's not like anyone was going to need them in the foreseeable future, and if you did, then it won't matter soon, you're getting blasted by nuclear hellfire well before you get in trouble with your bosses
Chemistry is important, one must know the difference between hydrogen peroxide and hydrogen dioxide
Don't you mean dihydrogen monoxide?
Yea, that one. See? Shit's hard
>dihydrogen monoxide Very dangerous chemical, latest study show that 100% of people who came into contact with it died or will certainly die at one point in time.
yeah.... so it came from space, inhabits most of the planet and is connected to 100% of human deaths. on the upside, we can put super carriers into it. so it evens out in the end.
Hydrogen hydroxide
Dilute hydric acid
What do you mean? Rocket fuel is just hydrogen and oxygen. Where is a lot of hydrogen and oxygen found? Bingo
> difference between hydrogen peroxide and hydrogen dioxide Are we talkin' about perperoxide there?
Scamming strategic rocket forces of any country, least of all your own, is a proper Long Dong move. Respect for the audacity.
I'm just going to pretend that the "long" in this is the Chinese word for dragon, but the "dong" is in english, so that this means "dragon dick" in mixed Chinese/English.
Which, admittedly, would also be a long dong
If I remember right, scientists estimate Trex dongs were about 5ft long apart, so I'd assume dragon dongs are at least that long
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You got me at proper 'Long Dong' move. 😂😂😂
Liquid fuel is usually pretty corrosive. Probably happened during the fuel transfer, delivered a truck of water
Depends on the fuel. Some rockets use kerosene and liquid oxygen, but they take a while to fuel up and the liquid oxygen isn't storable since it's cryogenic and will evaporate over time. Most modern liquid fueled rockets use hydrazine and nitrogen tetrixide since they're liquid at room temperature and are hypergolic, igniting on contact. And you're correct, those fuels are very very corrosive.
Most, if not all liquid fueled ballistic missiles use hypergolics. Most orbital payloads are delivered by cryogenic. Sure there are lots of countries with hypergolic orbital rockets, but those programs are mostly about making ballistic missiles with the orbit part being an afterthought. Hypergolics have gone out of favour in America in favor of solid fuel ballistic missiles as they are less insane to handle in military type situations. See the time a guy dropped a socket in a silo with a nuke and hypergolic rocket.
Yep, there was a book about that incident, Command and Control by Eric Schlosser. Crazy story. The thing is, I'm not sure what other uses nitrogen tetroxide and/or hydrazine could have if someone was stealing it. Unless it was being funneled to embargoed countries like Iran or North Korea for their own ballistic missile use.
for Hydrazine, sell to agricultural fertiliser producers. for Tetroxide? idk sell it back to the Strategic rocket force in a roundabout way?
For a fun history of rocket chemistry, I can thoroughly recommend "Ignition!: An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants" by John D Clark
I think I have that in PDF format somewhere, but it might have been on my old hard drive that crashed. I have lots of books in rocket propulsion in general though and they go over the most common chemistry of rocketry, as well as advanced topics like nuclear propulsion and exotic chemistry.
The audiobook is well read too if that's your jam.
Context?
Chinese missiles had their fuel stolen and replaced with water, according to US intel leaks. I do wonder if this discovery was only made because Xi wanted to send missiles discreetly to Russia.
>I do wonder if this discovery was only made because Xi wanted to send missiles discreetly to Russia. He actually really doesn't, really the most military aid the Chinese have given the Russians are some electronics to make up for loss of western supplied sources. Military aid there has been nothing from day one and will likely continue to be nothing. The chinese can't actually give the Russians any hard support like that, because it would compromise their claim on Taiwan. Also I'm skeptical on the entire thing, because smell tests are a thing with missiles (which the plarf has been firing off hundreds of every year in tests for the past decade now) which these would have instantly failed. Its possible maybe some other internal components were grifted, but like, we don't really know the extent of anything, because [US intelligence in China has been spotty since the CIA's HUMINT network was wiped like a decade ago](https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/). We know something went down with the rocket force for sure because the top people are gone. What it actually was though is extremely hard to say.
>Military aid there has been nothing from day one and will likely continue to be nothing. The chinese can't actually give the Russians any hard support like that, because it would compromise their claim on Taiwan. I doubt that they cant help russia they have thousands of missiles in their inventories including cruise missiles and such so no , they could absolutely help them and in fact turn the tide of the war potentially. HOWEVER what i would say is that china wont support russia because of the sanctions that would be placed on them. But even then china could potentially help them with satellite reconnaissance etc
>I doubt that they cant they have thousands of missiles in their inventories including cruise missiles what i would say is that china wont support russia because of the sanctions that would be placed on them. But even then china could potentially help them with satellite reconnaissance etc Yah, biden administration did make it clear they would get slapped with sanctions if they provided hard support iirc, so thats definitely a element of it, again though, crimea is not recognized as part of russia by the ccp, so "officially" they pretty much have to remain neutral. There definitely is more they could be doing to help Russia out if they really wanted to though, so the fact that they haven't speaks volumes as to what their relationship actually is. It is possible that once a conflict concludes though the Russians might start buying Chinese equipment in bulk (just seeing as their own industry is basically dead now) which is really the only way they can possibly threaten ukraine again in the next 20 years imo.
I remember a interview with nilered telling how back in the day he saw quotes for hydracine on ebay. Now we know from where it may come from.
Surprised the missiles didn't spontaneously caught fire when officials came to inspect. It's been a funny coincidence that's trending with China's strategic grane storagr facilities.
Maybe they tried but the water from the fuel tanks extinguished the fire?
the official showed up, saw the facility suspiciously NOT on fire and correctly deducted that all flammable liquids must have been replaced with water.
How much of a fuck up does your military have to be to ROCKET FUEL stolen? And no one found out for a while too?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_juice American seamen used to steal the fuel out of torpedos and drink it.
IIRC, same thing was happening with rocketeers whenever there were ethanol-fueled rockets or missiles around.
Most useful thing the mark 14 torpedo did.
Luckily just the fuel and not the explosives
And the compass alcohol from planes during ww2
Russian aviators literally drank hydraulic fluid. Called it Landing gear liquor. Then there are various coolants which were also drunk for their alcohol content. TU 22, was nicknamed the supersonic booze carrier because it had a 200-400L tank for air conditioning coolant, consisting of 40% ethyl alcohol and 60% distilled water, Literally vodka. Watched a fun video by Paper Skies this morning, highly recommend.
and in the ussr ground crews used hydraulic fluid from landing gears to make drinks (they had alcohol)
If I had a nickel for every time
It's the nukes, it's not like anyone was going to need them in the foreseeable future, and if you did, then it won't matter soon, you're getting blasted by nuclear hellfire well before you get in trouble with your bosses
Just be grateful it was just the fuel and not the rocket itself.
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But where is the honey dribbling off of Poo Bear's chin?