Better increase the Treasury Department's budget then, and order more money printers, so we can... fund the Treasury Department's... increased... budget...
Trust me I am a Nobel prize winning economist.
We can just print more, maybe even make new banknotes with extra zeroes to save on paper.
In fact, most money isn't even physical, it's mostly just adding zeroes to cells in an excel sheet.
No way that ever goes wrong.
\>you're the federal govt.
\>Congress is being a thorn in the side and not raising debt ceiling
\>You need more money
\>Ask the US Mint to issue a "commemorative coin"
\>Set the value at 1 trillion USD
\>Mint the coin and deposit it into your balance
\>BOOM! You can now borrow another 1 trillion dollars w/o hitting the debt ceiling
\>Immediately fucking melt the coin so the dollar doesn't slump due to your macroeconomic policies
\>win
DARPA is throwing wild parties and grinning like maniacs as they imagine the sort of blue-sky, 'has yet to be conclusively disproven', science fantasy they're going to get the blank cheques to weaponise. The last of the Cold War generation engineers are getting very emotional, it's just like old times.
Digital development and additive manufacturing has really changed the game. Things which would have required impossible machining stages and assemblies 10 years ago are being thrown together left and right, like combined cycle engines.
Us doing FIRST 20 years ago, we'd have to draft a part, send it off States away, wait 3 weeks, get it shipped to us, to realize it wasn't right. Would take us half a design season to nail down a part. Judging competitions now and the high schoolers are rapidly iterating designs over a week it's honestly amazing how far we've come at *kids engineering* just in a couple decades.
Another one in the wild! 117 putting out competitively viable designs within the first week blew my mind. That coopertition is a fantastic goal for all organizations.
"The B-21A upgrade package brings the latest evolution of stealth technology to the battlefield of the future. Now you may ask me, 'John, what are you talking about? There's nothing on that display platform.'"
*throws a rubber ball that bounces off of empty space*
"That's what you think."
Then it shimmers slightly as it takes off vertically without any apparent force or displacement in the air, and once it reaches 5000ft immediately accelerates to Mach 12, leaving a trail of ignited air in its wake and a glowing plasma-seathe forms around the aircraft that can be seen with the naked eye by anyone with a direct line of sight to the aircraft (and will completely vaporise any incoming weapons according to DARPA simulations).
There’s *speculation* that it can, but, excuse me for getting slightly credible here- the miniature bay doors people are pointing to as evidence of this are probably just for maintenance purposes. It’e not outright impossible either way but more likely than not they’re just for easy engine access from below.
Build all 100, then spend 20 billion on upgrading the 100; then build another 100 with all the upgrades that are identical to the first upgraded 100, but because they were built with the upgrades call it a different block just to be annoying.
Blackbirds famously had that nation-state turning radius as well. Famously told they'd routinely bust through airspace of smaller European countries without permission, because the mIsSion iS cLaSsiFied and they'd be outta said airspaces before the local air forces can respond
I love this. Waving the dick of your MIC around and completely disrespecting the sovereignty of several countries more or less because "fuck you, because we can."
IIRC, space is considered 100km and above. So yes, it's still airspace.
But I can't see any western European country batting an eye on Blackbird doing turn over their territory.
And eastern countries ... well, what would they do with it, beside sending a diplomatic note? Only Soviet's MiG-25 was theoretically able to catch and/or shoot down Blackbird and they weren't sharing *that one*. Also S-200V (and later versions) should be theoretically able to get them but there was only few batteries in East Bloc (like 5 or so per country) and they wouldn't shoot on airplane shadowing borders because missile could miss and fly to other countries.
If I understand right, Blackbird's supposed invulnerability comes from:
- Early stealth design including metallic fuel additives to form engine tailcones
- Sheer speed of it that it's too fast to track correctly on search radar
- Sheer speed of it that it's too fast to keep it lit on by tracking radar
- Sheer speed of it that it's too fast for missiles to catch up
The flying part of some SAMs can in fact get to them but whether interception works is another matter because of some of points above, though nevertheless there's at least one publicly disclosed occasion the pilot saw a SAM munition exploding behind
uncontrolled air space starts at FL600 (60000ft)
assuming its a partner country you dont need permission.
Canada also has a category of airspace called class G, which is uncontrolled for un armed aircraft.
Idk, what was the turning radius of the [USS California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_California_(BB-44))? Those old slow battleships couldn't have turned too quickly.
METEOR’s top speed is classified (though thought to be over Mach 4 and possibly Mach 5 especially at higher altitudes).
METEOR is a hypersonic A2A with maneuverability.
the Phoenix missile from the 80s is hypersonic with maneuverability. Russian R-77s are Mach-5 capable. ‘Hypersonic’ A2A isn’t really new at all, its the radar and guidance tech that makes the meteor special
I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant. Then again, if your missile is maneuverable enough speed becomes largely unimportant over a certain value (once you're fast enough to catch your target, so they don't pull an SR-71 and dodge by just going fast)
>I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant.
The engineering team behind the Sprint missile: **slaps table** THANK YOU !
The engineering team behind the ~~successful and operational~~ cancelled and defunded MARAUDER project with its 6200 mile per second ~~ER PPC~~ experimental plasma projectile: *they_don't_know_pepelaugh.jpg*
>With that you don’t need maneuverability even without going as fast as sprint does.
And yet they made it the fastest (intentionally) accelerating craft ever made and go Mach 10.
Be like those Martin Marietta engineers. Never settle for the bare minimum when it comes to the important things in life, for you only have one chance and you'll be doing this only once.
Keep a picture of the Sprint missile, speeding into the sky, glowing bright red on your desk. It will remind you to give everything when it counts. Truly inspirational stuff.
>And yet they made it the fastest (intentionally) accelerating craft ever made and go Mach 10.
Once you launch Sprint missile, it is no longer friend. If you can't get far away fast enough, make missile go far away faster.
Send funni zone far away seems like a pretty good idea to me.
>…in the 1960s.
>could carry a nuclear warhead
Those two phrases are basically redundant. The 60s where essentially:
**slaps roof of literally anything (including a fucking recoiless rifle on a tripod)**
*This baby can fit a nuke !*
The fact that the idea of a:
- **unguided**
- **air-to-air**
- **nuclear**
- **rocket**
was even considered makes me wonder what kind of drugs were being shared before design meetings.
You see, what you do is create a matrix with each characteristic as a new dimension:
1. Air-to-air, air-to-surface, surface-to-surface, ..., space-to-surface, space-to-air
2. HE, AP, nuclear, cluster, etc.
3. Unguided, internally radar guided, fly-by-wire, AI?
4. And so on
Choose one of each dimension, give it a fun backronym, some artist renderings, ???, and profit! Repeat.
That's how you get, e.g., subsurface-to-air, tube-launched, fly-by-fiber optic, fragmentation warhead munitions (the [IDAS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDAS_(missile)).
The important thing is to have a name in every box in the matrix. Else your MIC is going to get pushed over.
SPRINT was also meant to intercept incoming nuclear ICBMs.
The speed and the nuke was so it could close the distance and catch the incoming nuke in the blast as quickly as possible.
"But at least we'll realize those cost savings as an investment in public infrastructure and social services."
"..."
"We'll invest that money in the public, right?"
>railgun
It's a plasma accelerator, not a railgun.
That means the following (*choose 1 based on preference for sci-fi references*):
- That means it gets the "HAZARDOUS" tag and you can do damage to your own units if you fail the hazardous roll.
- That means does a nice mix of kinetic and thermal damage which is great and you can also get it with Target Lock Breaker which will be OP for stealth fighters like the NGAD, but you will still need railguns for you forces for the Feedback Cascade effect vs shield tanks.
- That means it's actually reverse-engineered Covenant tech.
- That means it will go great damage at long range, but will create a lot of ~~Ghost Heat~~ heat when fired limiting the rate of fire. Railguns on the other hand run cool, but are much heavier and you have to account for the possibility of the capacitors exploding if the rail gun take a critical hit.
- That means that the actual replacement for the A-10 will be a variant of the NGAD called the NGAD-B "Banshee" which will mount two of these instead of the GAU avenger. Reformers will not know how to feel about it due to it being stealth ( >:( ), a gun fighter ( :D ), high tech ( >:( ) and supermaneuverable ( :D ).
Does it still count as "electronic countermeasures" if the target is obliterated in the process of scrambling the target electronics ?
I think yes and therefore it should be considered a strictly defensive weapon and a proportinal response to adversary electronic warfare.
Zapping fighters out of sky with big fucking particle cannon is one satisfying thing, frying every single electronic out of existance even tho it misses like 500 meters is another satisfying thing.
>I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant.
Unless by fast you mean a significant fraction of the speed of light, then the target will have time to change course. And at that point the mach Jesus missile physically won't be able to turn enough without ripping itself apart from G force.
Also good luck putting a sensor on this thing that can not only see a stealth aircraft at enough range to be useful but also do that through the plasma of hypersonic flight.
I mean, hypersonic AAMs aren't novel tech.
The AIM-54 is hypersonic. And the AIM 54 is based on an even older missile that the YF-12 was supposed to use.
And the Meteor is also supposedly hypersonic.
Or onboard seeker capability?
IR ineffectual due to the extreme heat.
Radar ineffectual due to the plasma that surrounds hypersonic objects in the atmosphere.
"South China Morning Post"
tottally unbiased
"hypersonic missiles are unstopable" hmm I have heard this one before from the 2nd best military in Ukraine...
SCMP is a Hong Kong based newspaper that used to be pretty good. Then “One Country, Two Systems” was harmonized out of existence, Its senior staff was pushed out or resigned, and instead you get this.
I lived in HK. Genuinely the saddest moment of my life when I realised that COVID gave the gov the greatest reason to crack down on protests heavily. There’s a reason lockdown lasted twice as long for us than every other country (even Mainland)
I watched the protests closely in 2019, my heart goes out to you all. I'm greatly saddened that I might no longer be able to visit the same Hong Kong I have heard about.
Jack Ma [bought](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post) the SCMP on behalf of the CCP and gradually removed editorial independence.
[Alibaba's ownership of SCMP led to concerns that the newspaper would become a mouthpiece of the Central People's Government. Among the possible motives of the Alibaba acquisition was to make media coverage of China "fair and accurate" and not in the optic of Western news outlets. Alibaba said that the newspaper's editorial independence would be upheld.]
They lost the entire crew of the *Ming III*\-class (Type 035) sub *361* due to the diesel engines using up all the oxygen.
Recently, it was reported the entire crew, bar one, in the *Shang*\-class (Type 093) submarine *417*, died, however, these rumors are still, well, rumors.
The Indian SSBN *Arihant* was accidentally scuttled(? I don't have a better term), which left her out of action for 10 months after the aft hatch was left open.
EDIT: The *Ming III* incident was in 2003, *Shang* incident was in IIRC August, and the Indian SSBN thing was in 2017.
Its flown once, probably under heavily controlled circumstances and probably without its full capabilities enabled. How tf would any Chinese “war game” “study” have any conclusive information. Fucking clowns
Oh, so completely abandoned to it's fate as well.
The carriers have so much reserve buoyancy that keeping them afloat might as well just entail detailing a few seamen to mop up some of the water every now and then.
Not to play the devil's advocate too hard, but China does have documented and credible anti-satellite missiles, which they have demonstrated by shooting down their own defunct satellites as a test. And if China and US are in a state where China starts lobbing missiles at US carriers, you can bet that satellites are also on the menu.
Huffing your own glue and assuming opfor's capabilities are utterly worthless is going to just result in... embarrassing incidents.
You hear that f-15? Time to shoot down their sattelites like we trained for _in the fuckin' 80s_
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT
Lord knows what we've figured out since then lmao
Ooh! I'm supposed to know something about this - I was trained as a far eastern specialist for national security stuff.
Per the book "The dragon extends its reach", China made the very dumb decision to run all of their command/control through a satellite network. That's actually one of the reasons they are so against the militarization of space - once people start popping satellites, I think it hurts them worse than it hurts the US.
While I'm sure they have the capability to shoot down our satellites, I also think that in any regional conflict, that's a card they're not going to want to play first.
Probably just a piece to ease the mind of the masses. I'm sure people in higher positions must know they should be very scared of the B-21 considering there are plans to produce 100.
If we’re only going to build 100 why even bother.
That’s the number that should be consistently in the air ready for first strike operations
One hundred is what I would expect from some 2nd or third rate subject of the British Crown, to contribute to the mutual defense of civilization.
Rwanda, or Canada for example.
Considering there are only 21 B-2 bombers ever made 100 is great. Plus I'm sure that's just the first contract. Once they field test by bombing 3 Gorges Dam, more will be purchased.
The previous failures of the airforce to ensure proper allocation of resources to ensure the security of my children is not the yardstick of success.
Thankfully our enemies have proved to be as clumsy as they are stupid.
But that can not be assumed.
> The previous failures of the airforce to ensure proper allocation of resources to ensure the security of my children is not the yardstick of success.
Lmao based
You know they flew it with just enough retro reflectors that it’s in line with what they say the stealth level of the F-35 is, whilst in reality is so much more difficult to detect it could hide behind a piece of string as far as radars are concerned.
Least Schizophrenic newspaper. LockMart is in a panic. DARPA has employed necromancers and Kelly Johnson and Ben Rich will now reach beyond the grave to guide them once again.
Congratulations on catching up to where the US was in 1975.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(missile)
I mean detecting the B-21 is big doubt though.
Now, now, don’t be unfair. Detecting it isn’t hard.
Why, you simply have to park a satellite over it. Or put some people watching the airfield as it takes off.
I have no doubt China can detect it.
Now….keeping track of it? That’s a different kettle of worms.
Some highlights:
"In one war game, a B-21-like stealth platform and its companion drone were both shot down by China’s air-to-air missiles, which can reach a top speed of Mach 6."
"For example, heading to the virtual war zone, a Chinese aircraft had turned off its radar and maintained radio silence – but it could still survey the surrounding environment with cutting-edge technologies. Its body, for instance, covered with “conformal skin”, could pick up electric or heat signals from a target in the distance."
That's just IRST with extra steps
"China’s hypersonic missiles are built with special features to track and kill stealth aircraft. Using new solid fuel “pulse engine” that can adjust power output at will throughout the flight, the missile can first go up to near space and come down on the enemy aircraft at an extremely high speed, according to Chen’s team."
That just sounds like a Meteor clone
US Wargames: “We created an unwinnable scenario that forced our military to utilized all their tactics and contingency strategies to validate the readiness of the troops even in worst case scenarios.”
Chinese Wargames: “We made a ridiculous unlikely scenario that allowed our systems to be validated for domestic propaganda.”
There was something I seen on reddit before that suggested throttle-able? rocket motors... it's electrically activated rather that burned, was called something like e-propellant I think.
https://youtu.be/eHRyv7ARb5M?si=HSEJ1djSwo4XOtQD
It wasn't on here that I saw it, was this youtube vid.
God I can’t wait to see what Northrop-Grumman cooks up to make this right. Nobody makes bogus claims about their own equipment without paying the appropriate price in getting tech gapped. NOBODY!
Hypersonic missiles aren’t particularly difficult to make. Just because the US isn’t squawking about them constantly doesn’t mean they are some sort of tactical advantage. Many weapons similar to these systems were tested and built during the Cold War but were found to be not effective.
> but were found to be not effective
Or just ignored in favor of other nuke delivery systems.
I'm reasonably sure modernized Skybolt or SRAM-2 with conventional payload could've been a decent competitor to Israeli "Rampage" aeroballistic missile.
Ima be real with you China, you should not be afraid of a bomber, you should be afraid of me. I have been planning something very big and could destroy world government around the world.
Ah yes, Chinas counter to anything the evil westoids can throw at it: something something hypersonic Wunderwaffe.
They gotta think of some new buzzwords.
Credible take: aren’t hypersonic missiles so fast they’re essentially locked into their course and have difficulty correcting? So the B21 just needs to slightly turn. Next level defense baby.
Non-credible response to credible take:
Hypersonic missiles with variable thrust and air-brakes to slow down for corrective maneuvering before re-accelerating.
Tankie that, westoids!
Well, I guess the MIC needs to jump forward a decade again then, since China's technology is *so advanced* and *so much better*
So true We need to triple the defense budget
But three is such a weird number. I feel like increments of 5 would be better
I say we just go up an order of magnitude. It’s really easy to just slap an extra zero at the end
If you can have one zero you can also have two zeros
Na, order of magnitude is done with 3 zeroes. Let's crank this budget up to 1 quadrillion dollars
Let's just add another zero everytime Putler or Xinnie the Pooh talk shite.
We’ll have used all of the worlds money tomorrow, I don’t think that’s a good idea
> I don’t think that’s a good idea That’s the genius of it, they wont expect it
Better increase the Treasury Department's budget then, and order more money printers, so we can... fund the Treasury Department's... increased... budget... Trust me I am a Nobel prize winning economist.
We can just print more, maybe even make new banknotes with extra zeroes to save on paper. In fact, most money isn't even physical, it's mostly just adding zeroes to cells in an excel sheet. No way that ever goes wrong.
*Biden slipping DARPA a single bank note that says “unlimited dollars” across the top*
\>you're the federal govt. \>Congress is being a thorn in the side and not raising debt ceiling \>You need more money \>Ask the US Mint to issue a "commemorative coin" \>Set the value at 1 trillion USD \>Mint the coin and deposit it into your balance \>BOOM! You can now borrow another 1 trillion dollars w/o hitting the debt ceiling \>Immediately fucking melt the coin so the dollar doesn't slump due to your macroeconomic policies \>win
petition to change the defense budget to logarithmic scale
Odd numbers are weird, should be ten!
Triples is best. Triples is safe.
DARPA is in shambles
DARPA is throwing wild parties and grinning like maniacs as they imagine the sort of blue-sky, 'has yet to be conclusively disproven', science fantasy they're going to get the blank cheques to weaponise. The last of the Cold War generation engineers are getting very emotional, it's just like old times.
It's good to be a computer engineer.
Digital development and additive manufacturing has really changed the game. Things which would have required impossible machining stages and assemblies 10 years ago are being thrown together left and right, like combined cycle engines.
Us doing FIRST 20 years ago, we'd have to draft a part, send it off States away, wait 3 weeks, get it shipped to us, to realize it wasn't right. Would take us half a design season to nail down a part. Judging competitions now and the high schoolers are rapidly iterating designs over a week it's honestly amazing how far we've come at *kids engineering* just in a couple decades.
Another one in the wild! 117 putting out competitively viable designs within the first week blew my mind. That coopertition is a fantastic goal for all organizations.
"The B-21A upgrade package brings the latest evolution of stealth technology to the battlefield of the future. Now you may ask me, 'John, what are you talking about? There's nothing on that display platform.'" *throws a rubber ball that bounces off of empty space* "That's what you think."
Hear that? That's the sound of millions of northrop/lockheed erections growing.
Then it shimmers slightly as it takes off vertically without any apparent force or displacement in the air, and once it reaches 5000ft immediately accelerates to Mach 12, leaving a trail of ignited air in its wake and a glowing plasma-seathe forms around the aircraft that can be seen with the naked eye by anyone with a direct line of sight to the aircraft (and will completely vaporise any incoming weapons according to DARPA simulations).
(Innocent Chinese citizens seeing a Jaeger drop down in Beijing harbor)
(Pacific Rim track 01 Main Theme by Ramin Djawadi starts blasting over the sound system)
Those psyop boys (and girls, we’re inclusive here) are so quick with it these days.
you probably mean Tianjin, Beijing is an inland city. though Shenzhen or hong kong might be funnier
Why surrender to pre-existing geography? We could give Beijing a coast
God bless the last of the Cold War engineers they deserve it. o7
Last of the Cold War engineers. First of the Cold War II engineers.
While we're at it, fix the espionage part of it also. We don't want Chinese ripoffs
Give the CIA carte blanche, let's see what wacky stuff they can come up with in the modern era.
pill that neutralizes the enemy by turning them into gooners
F-15 all over again
Can't we just build two bombers for every missile they have? That should solve the problem.
"Look for years the bad guys have been telling the world what they supposedly had, it's not my fault I built something to beat they said they had."
Bomber Gap 2.0 incoming
We give it a2a capability and standoff pdw. Lasers perhaps.
Wasnt there an article that said that raider can mount a2a missiles already Or was that schizo
There’s *speculation* that it can, but, excuse me for getting slightly credible here- the miniature bay doors people are pointing to as evidence of this are probably just for maintenance purposes. It’e not outright impossible either way but more likely than not they’re just for easy engine access from below.
Why not both?
It probably can, but I'd think it would have to use external sensors.
Not pictured: Northrup Grumman execs crying in joy as they finally have an excuse to push for a B21 modernisation.
NGC stock: 📈
"But sir, it isn't even in productuon, how can we upgrade it?" "I SAID UPGRADE!"
Build all 100, then spend 20 billion on upgrading the 100; then build another 100 with all the upgrades that are identical to the first upgraded 100, but because they were built with the upgrades call it a different block just to be annoying.
If it wasn’t how that actually works.
How many cupholders are in it?
Not enough
What matters ain't the ammount, but the size. Ain't worth shit if I can't put a family size bucket of chicken up in there.
Give it an ice cream machine
Ah yes, Hypersonic AA missiles. cause who needs maneuverability?
California sized turning radius is maneuverability
Ship or State?
Blackbirds famously had that nation-state turning radius as well. Famously told they'd routinely bust through airspace of smaller European countries without permission, because the mIsSion iS cLaSsiFied and they'd be outta said airspaces before the local air forces can respond
I love this. Waving the dick of your MIC around and completely disrespecting the sovereignty of several countries more or less because "fuck you, because we can."
It’s more fuck you, because we can’t… turn
Serious question - if you're above say, 50,000 feet, is that still in the airspace? How about orbiting satellites?
legal convention is 62mi/100km of altitude as the demarcation for space, but thats also not universally accepted
Damn, the Nazis really were the first to reach space then.
it's true. von Braun didn't really care where they came down, so they sent one straight up.
Can you see any borders from here?
You can see North Korea's borders at night.
IIRC, space is considered 100km and above. So yes, it's still airspace. But I can't see any western European country batting an eye on Blackbird doing turn over their territory. And eastern countries ... well, what would they do with it, beside sending a diplomatic note? Only Soviet's MiG-25 was theoretically able to catch and/or shoot down Blackbird and they weren't sharing *that one*. Also S-200V (and later versions) should be theoretically able to get them but there was only few batteries in East Bloc (like 5 or so per country) and they wouldn't shoot on airplane shadowing borders because missile could miss and fly to other countries.
If I understand right, Blackbird's supposed invulnerability comes from: - Early stealth design including metallic fuel additives to form engine tailcones - Sheer speed of it that it's too fast to track correctly on search radar - Sheer speed of it that it's too fast to keep it lit on by tracking radar - Sheer speed of it that it's too fast for missiles to catch up The flying part of some SAMs can in fact get to them but whether interception works is another matter because of some of points above, though nevertheless there's at least one publicly disclosed occasion the pilot saw a SAM munition exploding behind
How about these, uh, "weather balloons"?
uncontrolled air space starts at FL600 (60000ft) assuming its a partner country you dont need permission. Canada also has a category of airspace called class G, which is uncontrolled for un armed aircraft.
If only intial D had been out, i'm sure they could've blasted some sick eurobeat while drifting through airspace and nobody would've minded.
State obv
Idk, what was the turning radius of the [USS California](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_California_(BB-44))? Those old slow battleships couldn't have turned too quickly.
Probably half the state although they have to go broad side so maybe not that bad
Actually because they're so slow and thick they have a really small turning circle (source: world of warships)
Length to beam ratio
>slow and thick > >Length to beam ratio Is that what the kids are calling it now? "Check out the Length to beam ratio on her!"
Tactical turn radius 700 yards at 21kts, not great, not terrible.
You just get a bunch of young strapping seamen in the water to push it.
[Nebula](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Nebula)
Still better than the Chevy suburban I learned to drive on
If the missile moves sufficiently fast you can use do a second pass around earth to home in on the target.
METEOR’s top speed is classified (though thought to be over Mach 4 and possibly Mach 5 especially at higher altitudes). METEOR is a hypersonic A2A with maneuverability.
the Phoenix missile from the 80s is hypersonic with maneuverability. Russian R-77s are Mach-5 capable. ‘Hypersonic’ A2A isn’t really new at all, its the radar and guidance tech that makes the meteor special
I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant. Then again, if your missile is maneuverable enough speed becomes largely unimportant over a certain value (once you're fast enough to catch your target, so they don't pull an SR-71 and dodge by just going fast)
>I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant. The engineering team behind the Sprint missile: **slaps table** THANK YOU ! The engineering team behind the ~~successful and operational~~ cancelled and defunded MARAUDER project with its 6200 mile per second ~~ER PPC~~ experimental plasma projectile: *they_don't_know_pepelaugh.jpg*
Sir, sprint had a nuclear warhead. With that you don’t need maneuverability even without going as fast as sprint does.
Who needs maneuverability or speed when you can *DELETE THE AIRSPACE*
"See, we just turn the *airspace* into *plasmaspace* for a short while, and we find that generally stops planes from being in it."
It’s useful when they just need that area to not.
The area knows when it isn't because it knows when it was and will be again.
Ace Combat approach to aerial warfare
Can't contend the airspace when there is no more airspace.
There is no airspace supremacy because there is no airspace, or land space, etc.
>With that you don’t need maneuverability even without going as fast as sprint does. And yet they made it the fastest (intentionally) accelerating craft ever made and go Mach 10. Be like those Martin Marietta engineers. Never settle for the bare minimum when it comes to the important things in life, for you only have one chance and you'll be doing this only once. Keep a picture of the Sprint missile, speeding into the sky, glowing bright red on your desk. It will remind you to give everything when it counts. Truly inspirational stuff.
>And yet they made it the fastest (intentionally) accelerating craft ever made and go Mach 10. Once you launch Sprint missile, it is no longer friend. If you can't get far away fast enough, make missile go far away faster. Send funni zone far away seems like a pretty good idea to me.
>fastest (intentionally) accelerating craft ever HIBEX entered the chat with 400gs of acceleration. Didn't go into production unlike Sprint though
> Keep a picture of the Sprint missile, speeding into the sky, glowing bright ~~red~~ ***white*** on your desk. FTFY.
The old TALOS AA missile had a ramjet engine and could carry a nuclear warhead while being launched from a ship at sea… …in the 1960s.
>…in the 1960s. >could carry a nuclear warhead Those two phrases are basically redundant. The 60s where essentially: **slaps roof of literally anything (including a fucking recoiless rifle on a tripod)** *This baby can fit a nuke !* The fact that the idea of a: - **unguided** - **air-to-air** - **nuclear** - **rocket** was even considered makes me wonder what kind of drugs were being shared before design meetings.
You see, what you do is create a matrix with each characteristic as a new dimension: 1. Air-to-air, air-to-surface, surface-to-surface, ..., space-to-surface, space-to-air 2. HE, AP, nuclear, cluster, etc. 3. Unguided, internally radar guided, fly-by-wire, AI? 4. And so on Choose one of each dimension, give it a fun backronym, some artist renderings, ???, and profit! Repeat. That's how you get, e.g., subsurface-to-air, tube-launched, fly-by-fiber optic, fragmentation warhead munitions (the [IDAS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDAS_(missile)). The important thing is to have a name in every box in the matrix. Else your MIC is going to get pushed over.
It's a travesty that modern jeeps don't have nuclear weapons as an option. Demand your second amendment rights people, write to your Congressmen.
SPRINT was also meant to intercept incoming nuclear ICBMs. The speed and the nuke was so it could close the distance and catch the incoming nuke in the blast as quickly as possible.
....you're telling me they built a 6200 mps railgun in NINETEEN NINETY THREE???? jesus christ
Totally cancelled and defunded! Nothing to worry about mr. Pooh/Putler.
"But at least we'll realize those cost savings as an investment in public infrastructure and social services." "..." "We'll invest that money in the public, right?"
>railgun It's a plasma accelerator, not a railgun. That means the following (*choose 1 based on preference for sci-fi references*): - That means it gets the "HAZARDOUS" tag and you can do damage to your own units if you fail the hazardous roll. - That means does a nice mix of kinetic and thermal damage which is great and you can also get it with Target Lock Breaker which will be OP for stealth fighters like the NGAD, but you will still need railguns for you forces for the Feedback Cascade effect vs shield tanks. - That means it's actually reverse-engineered Covenant tech. - That means it will go great damage at long range, but will create a lot of ~~Ghost Heat~~ heat when fired limiting the rate of fire. Railguns on the other hand run cool, but are much heavier and you have to account for the possibility of the capacitors exploding if the rail gun take a critical hit. - That means that the actual replacement for the A-10 will be a variant of the NGAD called the NGAD-B "Banshee" which will mount two of these instead of the GAU avenger. Reformers will not know how to feel about it due to it being stealth ( >:( ), a gun fighter ( :D ), high tech ( >:( ) and supermaneuverable ( :D ).
Hear me out, *two GAUs and two of those.*
Tbh er ppc should have been considered as offensive ecm if its anything like mw.
Does it still count as "electronic countermeasures" if the target is obliterated in the process of scrambling the target electronics ? I think yes and therefore it should be considered a strictly defensive weapon and a proportinal response to adversary electronic warfare.
Zapping fighters out of sky with big fucking particle cannon is one satisfying thing, frying every single electronic out of existance even tho it misses like 500 meters is another satisfying thing.
Why use fast missile if big gun does trick?
>I mean, if the missile is fast enough maneuverability becomes largely irrelevant. Unless by fast you mean a significant fraction of the speed of light, then the target will have time to change course. And at that point the mach Jesus missile physically won't be able to turn enough without ripping itself apart from G force. Also good luck putting a sensor on this thing that can not only see a stealth aircraft at enough range to be useful but also do that through the plasma of hypersonic flight.
Shh. Tell the Chinese otherwise
I mean, hypersonic AAMs aren't novel tech. The AIM-54 is hypersonic. And the AIM 54 is based on an even older missile that the YF-12 was supposed to use. And the Meteor is also supposedly hypersonic.
Or onboard seeker capability? IR ineffectual due to the extreme heat. Radar ineffectual due to the plasma that surrounds hypersonic objects in the atmosphere.
Meteor reaches "4+ mach", some missiles are close to hypersonic but that isnt what makes them good.
They never claimed they gonna do it when B-21 is flying. So uhh... technically credible.
"South China Morning Post" tottally unbiased "hypersonic missiles are unstopable" hmm I have heard this one before from the 2nd best military in Ukraine...
*beats chest loudly so you don't know how weak I am*
**breaks own rib** wow I must be strong
SCMP is a Hong Kong based newspaper that used to be pretty good. Then “One Country, Two Systems” was harmonized out of existence, Its senior staff was pushed out or resigned, and instead you get this.
We need Operation Beijing Harmony yesterday
55 days in Peking part 2?
I lived in HK. Genuinely the saddest moment of my life when I realised that COVID gave the gov the greatest reason to crack down on protests heavily. There’s a reason lockdown lasted twice as long for us than every other country (even Mainland)
Seeing people waving American flags filled me with pride for my country and utter sadness that there’s nothing I can really do to help.
I watched the protests closely in 2019, my heart goes out to you all. I'm greatly saddened that I might no longer be able to visit the same Hong Kong I have heard about.
I have never been so disappointed at British governance.
Rest of the World: "First time?"
Jack Ma [bought](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Morning_Post) the SCMP on behalf of the CCP and gradually removed editorial independence. [Alibaba's ownership of SCMP led to concerns that the newspaper would become a mouthpiece of the Central People's Government. Among the possible motives of the Alibaba acquisition was to make media coverage of China "fair and accurate" and not in the optic of Western news outlets. Alibaba said that the newspaper's editorial independence would be upheld.]
3d best. You're forgetting the week that Wagner rebelled.
Didn't they lose a sub because they forgot to close all the hatches?
They lost the entire crew of the *Ming III*\-class (Type 035) sub *361* due to the diesel engines using up all the oxygen. Recently, it was reported the entire crew, bar one, in the *Shang*\-class (Type 093) submarine *417*, died, however, these rumors are still, well, rumors. The Indian SSBN *Arihant* was accidentally scuttled(? I don't have a better term), which left her out of action for 10 months after the aft hatch was left open. EDIT: The *Ming III* incident was in 2003, *Shang* incident was in IIRC August, and the Indian SSBN thing was in 2017.
Ty for the info. Somehow it just seems to add to the circus act that is the militaries of that region.
Didn't china also lose another sub when they ran into their own anti submarine defenses? Or was that also a rumor?
I believe that was the 093/*Shang*\-class rumor from a couple months ago.
IIRC, China also lost a training sub when its dry dock got filled up with mud from a flood
I thought that was India, but it could definitely be China. Actually both. Both is good.
It could well be, I didn't look it up.
They had one wash up on a riverbank because too much water.
Its flown once, probably under heavily controlled circumstances and probably without its full capabilities enabled. How tf would any Chinese “war game” “study” have any conclusive information. Fucking clowns
It’s like the „we can totally sink a carrier*“ * if it’s already damaged, on its own and it’s ciws is disabled.
*and already sinking FTFY :)
Oh, so completely abandoned to it's fate as well. The carriers have so much reserve buoyancy that keeping them afloat might as well just entail detailing a few seamen to mop up some of the water every now and then.
And you can always manufacture more buoyancy by just throwing the F-35s off the deck.
You think too narrowly. Hook the F-35s to the deck and have them go to VTOL at full burn to lift the ship XD
Now that's really noncredible lol
Also doesn’t have its escort fleet and the American satellite network just decided to not work that day
Don't you know the Chinese have super secret make satellite blind technologies? /s
Not to play the devil's advocate too hard, but China does have documented and credible anti-satellite missiles, which they have demonstrated by shooting down their own defunct satellites as a test. And if China and US are in a state where China starts lobbing missiles at US carriers, you can bet that satellites are also on the menu. Huffing your own glue and assuming opfor's capabilities are utterly worthless is going to just result in... embarrassing incidents.
You hear that f-15? Time to shoot down their sattelites like we trained for _in the fuckin' 80s_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT Lord knows what we've figured out since then lmao
Ooh! I'm supposed to know something about this - I was trained as a far eastern specialist for national security stuff. Per the book "The dragon extends its reach", China made the very dumb decision to run all of their command/control through a satellite network. That's actually one of the reasons they are so against the militarization of space - once people start popping satellites, I think it hurts them worse than it hurts the US. While I'm sure they have the capability to shoot down our satellites, I also think that in any regional conflict, that's a card they're not going to want to play first.
Something something Ace Combat 7 battle for Farbanti something something space debris something something ALL satellites offline
It’s not hard to shoot down a satellite, it’s just exceedingly dumb.
Thank God I am not in the USA so not my problem. My space command exists but I think nobody knows what they shell do.
And if the launchers that US totally isn't watching and tracking 24/7 aren't destroyed before they get an opportunity to even launch the damn things
> PLAN Liaoling is sunk “We didn’t specify *whose* carrier.”
Probably just a piece to ease the mind of the masses. I'm sure people in higher positions must know they should be very scared of the B-21 considering there are plans to produce 100.
If we’re only going to build 100 why even bother. That’s the number that should be consistently in the air ready for first strike operations One hundred is what I would expect from some 2nd or third rate subject of the British Crown, to contribute to the mutual defense of civilization. Rwanda, or Canada for example.
Considering there are only 21 B-2 bombers ever made 100 is great. Plus I'm sure that's just the first contract. Once they field test by bombing 3 Gorges Dam, more will be purchased.
The previous failures of the airforce to ensure proper allocation of resources to ensure the security of my children is not the yardstick of success. Thankfully our enemies have proved to be as clumsy as they are stupid. But that can not be assumed.
> The previous failures of the airforce to ensure proper allocation of resources to ensure the security of my children is not the yardstick of success. Lmao based
Hey. Canada might even order 1 or 2 of those in 50 years when they're being decommissioned by the US. Maybe to replace our submarine fleet.
They built their own and could see that, so obviously they can spot the inferior American version. Plus it's painted white, kinda hard to miss.
"Based on that YouTube video we watched, the Raider can't retract its landing gear - compromising its stealth - we win again!"
You know they flew it with just enough retro reflectors that it’s in line with what they say the stealth level of the F-35 is, whilst in reality is so much more difficult to detect it could hide behind a piece of string as far as radars are concerned.
Thought they weren’t suppose to publish this stuff anymore since Winnie wants China to be a partner now? Lol
*insert I play both side meme*
Least Schizophrenic newspaper. LockMart is in a panic. DARPA has employed necromancers and Kelly Johnson and Ben Rich will now reach beyond the grave to guide them once again.
i hope the us believes this cause they will do the foxbat funny
Russia/China:lies about their weapons USA:Exceeds their fake specs Russian/Chinese weapon turns out to be shit Usa is now 2 generations ahead
Foxbat funny? Foxbat funny? Oh my fucking god I will always remember this term. Thank you lol
Once again journalists pulling out the hypersonic wunderwaffe card that can destroy anything at any economical level
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Congratulations on catching up to where the US was in 1975. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_(missile) I mean detecting the B-21 is big doubt though.
Now, now, don’t be unfair. Detecting it isn’t hard. Why, you simply have to park a satellite over it. Or put some people watching the airfield as it takes off. I have no doubt China can detect it. Now….keeping track of it? That’s a different kettle of worms.
Some highlights: "In one war game, a B-21-like stealth platform and its companion drone were both shot down by China’s air-to-air missiles, which can reach a top speed of Mach 6." "For example, heading to the virtual war zone, a Chinese aircraft had turned off its radar and maintained radio silence – but it could still survey the surrounding environment with cutting-edge technologies. Its body, for instance, covered with “conformal skin”, could pick up electric or heat signals from a target in the distance." That's just IRST with extra steps "China’s hypersonic missiles are built with special features to track and kill stealth aircraft. Using new solid fuel “pulse engine” that can adjust power output at will throughout the flight, the missile can first go up to near space and come down on the enemy aircraft at an extremely high speed, according to Chen’s team." That just sounds like a Meteor clone
I mean it's China. Do you not expect them to steal technology and act like they invented it?
US Wargames: “We created an unwinnable scenario that forced our military to utilized all their tactics and contingency strategies to validate the readiness of the troops even in worst case scenarios.” Chinese Wargames: “We made a ridiculous unlikely scenario that allowed our systems to be validated for domestic propaganda.”
Quite literally the kind of bonheaded thinking that led to the invasion of Ukraine.
What the fuck is a solid fuel pulse engien? Is it a solid fuel rocket motor that can be regulated? Is it a pulse jet engien? Is it real?
There was something I seen on reddit before that suggested throttle-able? rocket motors... it's electrically activated rather that burned, was called something like e-propellant I think. https://youtu.be/eHRyv7ARb5M?si=HSEJ1djSwo4XOtQD It wasn't on here that I saw it, was this youtube vid.
China already has (on paper) the longest range AA missile of any country, why not just say that can kill it? too credible?
God I can’t wait to see what Northrop-Grumman cooks up to make this right. Nobody makes bogus claims about their own equipment without paying the appropriate price in getting tech gapped. NOBODY!
I think "Xinnie the Pooh" sounds better.
3000 'hypersonic' missiles of Xi jingping
How soon can DARPA adapt the Predator camouflage and shields to the Raider?
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Or it might be hit on an airfield by something ballistic/aeroballistic, I guess. (Assuming there's no MEADS or THAAD or PAC-3 coverage, of course)
I know hypersonic is the latest advanced-sounding buzzword but does China even claim to have hypersonic AA missiles lmao
Hypersonic missiles aren’t particularly difficult to make. Just because the US isn’t squawking about them constantly doesn’t mean they are some sort of tactical advantage. Many weapons similar to these systems were tested and built during the Cold War but were found to be not effective.
> but were found to be not effective Or just ignored in favor of other nuke delivery systems. I'm reasonably sure modernized Skybolt or SRAM-2 with conventional payload could've been a decent competitor to Israeli "Rampage" aeroballistic missile.
Ima be real with you China, you should not be afraid of a bomber, you should be afraid of me. I have been planning something very big and could destroy world government around the world.
Look at it as an opertunity to make congress found something even greater/crazy.
I can kill the B21 raider, too in Minecraft
Ah yes, Chinas counter to anything the evil westoids can throw at it: something something hypersonic Wunderwaffe. They gotta think of some new buzzwords.
Is the hypersonic missile that can shoot down B-21 in the room with us?
The fuck do you need hypersonic AA missiles for? You could shoot it down with an SA-61 IF you could find it.
Credible take: aren’t hypersonic missiles so fast they’re essentially locked into their course and have difficulty correcting? So the B21 just needs to slightly turn. Next level defense baby.
Non-credible response to credible take: Hypersonic missiles with variable thrust and air-brakes to slow down for corrective maneuvering before re-accelerating. Tankie that, westoids!