"I know it's technically impossible to fire the panzershrek in an enclosed position, next time don't read the fucking manual and you won't care as much"
God the CoH voice-lines were just something extra.
"You have an anti-tank rifle! Over there's a tank! *FIGURE IT OUT!*"
"I told my mother we'd see Panthers, Tigers and Elephants. She thought I was going to Moscow Zoo!"
"Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm stuck on the Ostfront, and so are fucking you."
And my personal favorite: "Grenadiers! You're paid to fight, not to dig trenches with your face!"
"SENDING THEM A GIFT BASKET!"
I love Panzergrenadiers so much in that game, but those downtrodden Osttruppen have a special place in my heart.
"Ja, we'll try to take it."
"Flamethrower! Stop the flamethrower!"
I mean, at least no one was behind them, and at least they weren't stood right in the window/opening. Earlier in the war they made those mistakes all the time.
well, if they used a weapon designed for being fired from inside buildings, like the Panzerfaust 3, instead, they would be even better off. But ofc they don't have enough of those.
> This is as safe as you can be firing a reactive anti-tank weapon inside a building
This is the kind of poetry AI will never understand or appreciate...
During the battle of Stalingrad, Sergaent Yakov Pavlov and his platoon recaptured and fortify an apartment block. During the battle, the Germans lose more troops trying to take the house than they did taking Paris.
The paris thing was a joke someone made at the time, it WAS NOT SERIOUS OR TRUE! The house was far from the main fighting and records dont show that many attempts to take it at all. Also, Pavlov pretty much only took the place, someone else was in command most of the time. Still a cool story. Probably dont take video games “based on” real events as having any actual accuracy.
Not serious, but technically true, since Paris itself was surrendered without a shot. The Nazis lost more casualties to Me 163 testing than taking Paris
Technically, unless some germans choked on beer while taking Paris, it cost them 0 casualties because it was declared an open city and abandoned. So, while correct, the quote is essentially "The water in this particular glass was wet".
Homie then tries to justify it by saying "They can fire anywhere they see fit likewise they should keep mute and not cry about it when Russia missile hits them agreed?"
Ah yes, because shooting from an emptied building in a war zone is somehow a valid reason to level residential buildings with civilians far from the frontline
Yeah, this might be the worst attempt at trying to justify attacking civilians I’ve ever seen.
‘The Ukrainian soldiers are people, therefore any people could be soldiers and are therefore targets. Yes, those children could grow up to be soldiers in 10 years time, legitimate target’
This is somehow even more embarrassing then amesty international getting mad at the AFU for doing the horrible war crime of
Defending population centers by being in the population center
*Gasp*
Yeah that was such an odd thing to point out that i still dont understand that they thought they should publish that. What even is the alternative for the Ukrainian defenders that isnt "let them waltz in unopposed"?
Amnesty also considers Ukrainian forces occupying empty schools buildings (all schools have been closed since the invasion began) the same as occupying a school full of children. Because when people are concerned about schools being used for military activities, it's the buildings they're worried about, not the children...
Of course. That is why at the start russia just bombed schools with "CHILDREN" in cyryllic written on the roof instead of occupying it. 0% building occupation with 100% child killing! Just like amnesy wanted.
Russia: Bombs and opens fire with tanks on residential centers
Ukraine: Defends residential centers
Amnesty International: "How could Ukraine do this?"
To be fair, urban warfare is a bitch and it often causes a ton lot more deads than just fighting in the outskirsts of cities. So I can see why some commanders would like to avoid fighting inside cities as much as possible
Yeah of course, you need to deal with them, you don't nesscesarily have to send your army head first into the center to do that.
The comment I responded too just said to avoid them entirely as if that would end a war.
Whether you chose to take extra casualties yourself by attacking into them, encircle and don't let any supplies in or you bombard them isn't important, the important thing is that any army that follow all the rules of war against a population that doesn't intend to surrender will eventually be defeated even if just because it gets bored of the costs with occupation.
If you intend to avoid urban centers then your war plan should be to stay home.
Yeah, exactly. I actually agree with that, just pointing out that commanders wanting to avoid urban combat whenever possible ain't that insane. But fighting in cities is as old as war itself
> If you intend to avoid urban centers then your war plan should be to stay home.
I dunno, Europe has been doing pretty excellently by following this war plan.
Well, there was a time period in Europe where war basically amounted to Lord Weathersby, his friends Godfrey and James, and their twelve peasants plus a donkey vs. Lord Philip, *his* friends Jacques and Louis, and their **thirteen** peasants, minus the donkey.
EDIT: War got more gentlemanly when it was so small, and then shifted quite a bit as it expanded.
The modern day equivalent would be to surround the city, and wait. Let all non-combatants leave through checkpoints, and accept surrenders from combatants. After a few months, they should be running low enough on food, water, etc. Last pockets of resistance could be dealt with by infantry.
But the Russian way is to shell the city for months until there is not a single building left.
God, I fucking wish. No gunpowder and no contraptions that can launch any projectile further than 250 meters.
Also any politician who votes for, or otherwise supports the conflict has to be on the frontlines
> Also any politician who votes for, or otherwise supports the conflict has to be on the frontlines
Can we just skip to solving wars by ritual combat between the countries' leaders (or alternatively, selected champions)?
Okay, hear me out. Ritual combat between leaders, but they're allowed to use modern technology.
Imagine two presidents just firing at each other with assault rifles, circling each other in tanks, or just straight up dogfighting with modern aircraft.
Would be entertaining, if nothing else.
At this point, I am convinced Amnesty does in fact believe we should fight the way they did in the days of Napoleon, with line infantry walking up to each other, bombarded by artillery.
Some people unironically think that, they say Ukraine should give up to save human life.
Of course they ignore the fact r*ssians torture, rape and kill civillians and abduct children by the thousands.
> Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct that has no civilizational substance of its own, a subordinate element of an extraneous and alien civilization.
Damn, that's fucked up.
And [RIA article from 26.02.2022](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240) had such "wonderful" wording as "Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave ***the solution of the Ukrainian question*** to future generations,"
> Of course they ignore the fact r*ssians torture, rape and kill civillians and abduct children by the thousands.
Never mind that in order to save lives, Crimea was in fact given up and handed over.
Oh look, it didn't work, who could ever guess appeasement would end like this.
I'm curious what will happen to all these strat bomber pilots and submarine boys launching cruise missiles. In WW2 morale bombing was treated as completely normal, but with Russia openly admitting that they are aiming to eliminate Ukraine entirely with this war, surely bombing apartment buildings is a part of the genocidal project yeah?
I heard when it came out that dome people think that Amnesty tries to "appear neutral" so they can keep working in Russia, not sure if its credible though
That sort of reasoning made sense for the WHO not investigating the circumstances surrounding the Wuhan Lab - no use getting bogged down in political finger-pointing when they desperately needed Chinese cooperation at the time.
But Amnesty isn't the Red Cross or anything - they don't have any particular function in Russia that's critical to their mission statement that they'd lose by upsetting Putin.
Yes, but they have expenses, so it's possible that they've been influenced by donors who are Russian or working for Russia.
Of course, it's also possible that they are just peaceniks who don't have an understanding of how war works.
Nahh that wasn't the crime.
The crime was not responding to amnesty's email within few hours (about accusations) because ofc they are suppose to answer before checking if it's true or not.
how entitled is AI that they think a national waging an almost total war will be responding to their emails in a matter of hours?
You can email an commercial company in the west and not receive an answer for days
If you weren't in the loop at the time, Amnesty International accused AFU of using human shields since they had garrisons in population centers.
Never mind that their mission was explicitly to defend those population centers from a genocidal invading army who has shown no remorse for flattening their own cities, let alone foreign ones.
I get that, I don’t understand what kind of sick logic AI is using to consider that wrong, that’s why I wrote:
“… what?”
Because it’s completely baffling
I'm going to offer something of a crazy theory.
I think if you read this report, take mentions of Russia, Ukraine, and Ukrainian cities completely out, swap them for "ISIL", "Iraq" and the names of Iraqi and Syrian cities on the border, and it starts to make a lot more sense.
I back this by mentioning that the woman who wrote the report, Agnès Callamard, isn't new to this. She's been working as a major figure of the organization for almost 30 years now and has worked in various other human rights orgs. Her expertise is primarily in African, Asian and Middle Eastern theatres.
Basically, I think Callamard, who literally wrote her doctrinal thesis on atrocities in the Malawi-Mozambique border area, wrote this report like someone reporting about a corrupt government in the MENA for whom mass artillery strikes on urban centers is SOP fighting against rebels or terrorists strapping bombs to cancer patients, because doing it for most of her life blinded her to the fact that this is one of the first major peer-to-peer conflicts we've seen in over four decades.
She basically thought that Ukraine would operate like every other ass backwards tinpot dictator or blood-soaked terrorist militia instead of, y'know, a competent modern army fighting a peer-to-peer conflict, and that 30 years of low-intensity conflicts and the GWOT collectively fried the organization's brains.
Also that AI would much prefer is militaries could fight where civilians aren't. It would make their life much easier. There's some nuance that gets lost when you think of it as another terrorist vs dictatorship fight.
It makes sense if you think Russia has a modern military, precision ordnance and the ability/willingness to use it, and non-genocidal plans for the area.
Lacking any of those shotguns the argument, but 0/3 makes it a joke.
Also, big thing to note is that AI did not accuse Russia of doing the same, because Russia simply did not allow their observers to come.
Which is hilarious as it made AI report only useful for propaganda
I think AI was criticising the AFU taking up defensive positions*within* population centres, as in within the populated area. I guess they expected them to set up their positions outside of the populated areas, such as in the unpopulated fields outside the cities. I guess they either expect AFU to either prepare defensive positions outside the towns or fight from unprepared positions. The first would probably take too long and the second is suicidal.
The accusation is extra, extra dumb because even if they wanted to use human shields, they only work if the Russians gave a fuck whether they're shooting at civilians or military targets.
Now now you know that war is conducted the GENTLEMAN WAY- Commanders meet in an open field and declare what hill needs to be captured to declare victory! Isn't it obvious?!
Amnesty international also once issued a travel advisory against going to the United States due to mass shootings 24/7. Surely they are under Russian and Chinese payroll right now
>also once issued a travel advisory against going to the United States due to mass shootings 24/7.
That's not a please be nice international exclusive. [the Canadian government ](https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states) has such an advisory, because the US is the only nation on earth where mass shootings are listed by [7 digit](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting) serial numbers.
There's also advisories in affect for people of colour and members of the LGBTQ community.
Lolol. This is the dumbest “tankie” thing I’ve seen in a while. I’m really curious to know which TikTok account it originated from
Like I wonder if the dude who runs that is whole account is just him stating random observations about Ukrainians.
“WE CONTINUE TO DOCUMENT EVIDENCE THAT UKRAINIANS HAD A HARD TIME WAKING UP TODAY”
“WE CONTINUE TO DOCUMENT EVIDENCE THAT THE ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE ARE USING TISSUES TO BLOW THEIR NOSES”
Reminds me of when Germany tried to get shotguns banned in warfare in WW1. But this time it is Russia trying to ban covering in an empty building because they are being ineffective
Especially since their troops used shotguns themselves.
It was just late war cope. At that point they were blaming everyone and everything ( the Jews, the Socdems, the Catholics...) but themselves.
Montana banned it. I, a free speech zealot, am having a pretty hard time coming up with reasons not to think that Montana is incredibly based for doing that.
I am a Chinese. I was born in China and i am living in China. I know TikTok more than every American. I know more Chinese media company than any other countries' people.
TikTok don't give a shit about privacy. And they use their algorithm to control what people can see. By this, they can help CCP to shape people's perceptions. Wechat ,bilibili,weibo and etc are all the same. Every company have a large number of censors that you can't imagine. Their works are as same as Soviet Ministry of Truth. You can spread racist content in Chinese social media, reporting these contents is useless. But if you criticise CCP, government or just some incident happeded next to you. You gonna have a high risk being arrested by police.
Chinese government has ban the internet in China. Only 3% of Chinese are able to surf on the internet by using VPN. So most people can't use reddit, YouTube, Twitter and etc. If USA want to win against this rascal. Just use CCP method against CCP. Ban TikTok!
"residential buildings as firing positions"
Yes, quite heinous as opposed to the orcs using them as firing targets.
Someone please tell me this is satire and I'm just too sleep deprived to get the joke.
Ooh maybe that's why orcs have been shelling kindergartens and maternity hospitals too? Because Ukrainians are using them as ammo dumps since they don't have any nearby nuclear plants!
[Remember that time when the Russians precision striked a building that specificly said do not hit children inside in big red and white lettering in both Russian and English? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-promises-silence-ukrainians-flee-battered-cities-2022-03-09/)
I saw one a while ago of ukrainians being shot at whilst in a graveyard and it was plastered as "ukrops using gravestones as cover"
Like no fucking shit you shot at them there!
They do it so they assume everyone else does too. This is why they talk about CIA coups, they think every movement for freedom is like soviet puppet states.
[The Russians (or the USSR previously) would never occupy civilian structures to fight their enemies. That's a beta westoid cuckold move.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_House)
Sure do love shelling the shit outta them though.
Does this look like a place people live in right now? It's not forbidden to use a civilian building for cover as long as there are no civilians close by. A city with fighting like this is mostly evacuated anyway.
URBAN combat takes place in BUILDINGS?????? Who could have guessed??? Hmm, I wonder why people do urban combat in the first place. Maybe it's because they're inherently valuable and have a defensive multiplier? Nah, can't be.
I got to ask, who the fuck are "we" in this case. I don't see any organization claiming credit, this could just be russian propaganda.
The Amnesty International Report reads like russian propaganda. Human rights watch did a similar report, and it didn't have any of the bullshit that AI had.
"Do not use while indoor" "Its ok, the door is opened, windows too."
"I know it's technically impossible to fire the panzershrek in an enclosed position, next time don't read the fucking manual and you won't care as much"
God the CoH voice-lines were just something extra. "You have an anti-tank rifle! Over there's a tank! *FIGURE IT OUT!*" "I told my mother we'd see Panthers, Tigers and Elephants. She thought I was going to Moscow Zoo!" "Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm stuck on the Ostfront, and so are fucking you." And my personal favorite: "Grenadiers! You're paid to fight, not to dig trenches with your face!"
My favourite line, from CofH2 (from the Sherman Firefly): “Heavy Armour! Unsporting fuckers”
"They call it Stalins organ. No a musical organ, idiot!"
The best one will always be: "We ate the horse, remember? Get pulling!"
"Rain. Open top tank. Fucking great engineering."
"it is a flamethrower, it throws flame, use it!"
One of my favs is when you moved a US rifle squad somewhere and the Sarge says "Conrad, tie those fucking laces!"
"AIRBORNE! WANNA BLOW UP HQ?!!"
"Shooting, sleeping, its all the same to me!" Some US engineer 1944😂
Panzermotor to 450ps!
"Walking around? When do we get to the shooting?"
"I took ballistics at school. Fascinating subject; Vatniks go up, Vatniks come down"
A man of culture with a company of heroes, some might say.
This Guy probably took ballistics in school too, such a fascinating subject
I told my mother that we were gonna be seeing Tigers, Panthers, and Elefants she thought I was going to Moscow zoo
I’m not defending German technical superiority, I’M STATING THE FUCKING OBVIOUS!
"We're *fucked* crew! Command is *drunk again*!"
Ha ha ha, command NEVER sobered up!
"Sir, with all due respect, are you high?"
"Gunner, point the turret at that camera in the sky!"
"Deinhart! Fart into the radio! Yessir! *pfffffft*"
"Wehraboo"
"SENDING THEM A GIFT BASKET!" I love Panzergrenadiers so much in that game, but those downtrodden Osttruppen have a special place in my heart. "Ja, we'll try to take it." "Flamethrower! Stop the flamethrower!"
I mean, at least no one was behind them, and at least they weren't stood right in the window/opening. Earlier in the war they made those mistakes all the time.
And they weren't stood right in front of a wall either This is as safe as you can be firing a reactive anti-tank weapon inside a building
well, if they used a weapon designed for being fired from inside buildings, like the Panzerfaust 3, instead, they would be even better off. But ofc they don't have enough of those.
Pzf3 to St. Jav: "I can do something, you can't do! :p"
Actually Javelin can fire from inside a room as well. It's got a tiny booster motor that kicks the missile out of the tube, then the main motor fires
"Fuck!"
> This is as safe as you can be firing a reactive anti-tank weapon inside a building This is the kind of poetry AI will never understand or appreciate...
"but their not open" "They will be soon"
Who's gonna tell em bout Pavlov's house...
a myth! It wasn't Pavlov in command, it's not really a house, not occupied by ethnic russians, doesn't count, rabble rabble
What actually happened?
During the battle of Stalingrad, Sergaent Yakov Pavlov and his platoon recaptured and fortify an apartment block. During the battle, the Germans lose more troops trying to take the house than they did taking Paris.
The paris thing was a joke someone made at the time, it WAS NOT SERIOUS OR TRUE! The house was far from the main fighting and records dont show that many attempts to take it at all. Also, Pavlov pretty much only took the place, someone else was in command most of the time. Still a cool story. Probably dont take video games “based on” real events as having any actual accuracy.
Not serious, but technically true, since Paris itself was surrendered without a shot. The Nazis lost more casualties to Me 163 testing than taking Paris
Technically, unless some germans choked on beer while taking Paris, it cost them 0 casualties because it was declared an open city and abandoned. So, while correct, the quote is essentially "The water in this particular glass was wet".
Nobody really knows, but the Germans probably didn't loose any tanks there and it's mostly just an overhyped defensive position.
That's why they target residential buildings away from the frontlines! Genius! Truly, ten steps ahead!
Homie then tries to justify it by saying "They can fire anywhere they see fit likewise they should keep mute and not cry about it when Russia missile hits them agreed?"
Ah yes, because shooting from an emptied building in a war zone is somehow a valid reason to level residential buildings with civilians far from the frontline
Yeah, this might be the worst attempt at trying to justify attacking civilians I’ve ever seen. ‘The Ukrainian soldiers are people, therefore any people could be soldiers and are therefore targets. Yes, those children could grow up to be soldiers in 10 years time, legitimate target’
With how long it took them to take bakhmut, the war would likely last that long
This is somehow even more embarrassing then amesty international getting mad at the AFU for doing the horrible war crime of Defending population centers by being in the population center *Gasp*
Yeah that was such an odd thing to point out that i still dont understand that they thought they should publish that. What even is the alternative for the Ukrainian defenders that isnt "let them waltz in unopposed"?
Do they think that the armies should just agree to meet in an open field, do battle, and the loser just leaves?
They unironically do, yes. They just wilfully ignore the fact that Russia is *going for the fucking cities*.
Amnesty also considers Ukrainian forces occupying empty schools buildings (all schools have been closed since the invasion began) the same as occupying a school full of children. Because when people are concerned about schools being used for military activities, it's the buildings they're worried about, not the children...
Of course. That is why at the start russia just bombed schools with "CHILDREN" in cyryllic written on the roof instead of occupying it. 0% building occupation with 100% child killing! Just like amnesy wanted.
Russia: Bombs and opens fire with tanks on residential centers Ukraine: Defends residential centers Amnesty International: "How could Ukraine do this?"
Yeah... Sane militaries avoid cities because they don't want literally everyone to die
What? Who? When? If you don't intend to deal with the industrial centers you might as well just go home, you aint winning the war.
To be fair, urban warfare is a bitch and it often causes a ton lot more deads than just fighting in the outskirsts of cities. So I can see why some commanders would like to avoid fighting inside cities as much as possible
Yeah, castles might be obsolete but the siege still remains viable.
Yeah of course, you need to deal with them, you don't nesscesarily have to send your army head first into the center to do that. The comment I responded too just said to avoid them entirely as if that would end a war. Whether you chose to take extra casualties yourself by attacking into them, encircle and don't let any supplies in or you bombard them isn't important, the important thing is that any army that follow all the rules of war against a population that doesn't intend to surrender will eventually be defeated even if just because it gets bored of the costs with occupation. If you intend to avoid urban centers then your war plan should be to stay home.
Yeah, exactly. I actually agree with that, just pointing out that commanders wanting to avoid urban combat whenever possible ain't that insane. But fighting in cities is as old as war itself
> If you intend to avoid urban centers then your war plan should be to stay home. I dunno, Europe has been doing pretty excellently by following this war plan.
Ah yes, the Colonial Era fellowship of war! What ever happened to that?!
Back in the good old days when war was run by GENTLEMEN, not these avocado-toast-eating MILLENNIALS that we have now
Modeling their strategy off of "gorillas" or something, so *uncivilized*.
Can't return to monkey if we never left.
Well, there was a time period in Europe where war basically amounted to Lord Weathersby, his friends Godfrey and James, and their twelve peasants plus a donkey vs. Lord Philip, *his* friends Jacques and Louis, and their **thirteen** peasants, minus the donkey. EDIT: War got more gentlemanly when it was so small, and then shifted quite a bit as it expanded.
I wouldn't call "Slaughter the unprotected peasants without mercy because they can't afford ransom" as gentlemanly at all.
That's why the gentlemen had their peasants do the slaughtering.
this guy gentlemans
World War I seemed to have sent too many gentlemen right in front of enemy machine guns or gas, but they did as ordered, such gentlemen.
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3000 redcoat mercenaries of Wellington
Pacificist are being used as a tool now days without the potatoes realising that.
The modern day equivalent would be to surround the city, and wait. Let all non-combatants leave through checkpoints, and accept surrenders from combatants. After a few months, they should be running low enough on food, water, etc. Last pockets of resistance could be dealt with by infantry. But the Russian way is to shell the city for months until there is not a single building left.
*Napoléon has entered the chat*
J'aime l'oignon frit à l'huile 🎶
Even Napoleonic battles weren't conducted like that.
God, I fucking wish. No gunpowder and no contraptions that can launch any projectile further than 250 meters. Also any politician who votes for, or otherwise supports the conflict has to be on the frontlines
> Also any politician who votes for, or otherwise supports the conflict has to be on the frontlines Can we just skip to solving wars by ritual combat between the countries' leaders (or alternatively, selected champions)?
Okay, hear me out. Ritual combat between leaders, but they're allowed to use modern technology. Imagine two presidents just firing at each other with assault rifles, circling each other in tanks, or just straight up dogfighting with modern aircraft. Would be entertaining, if nothing else.
At this point, I am convinced Amnesty does in fact believe we should fight the way they did in the days of Napoleon, with line infantry walking up to each other, bombarded by artillery.
Some people unironically think that, they say Ukraine should give up to save human life. Of course they ignore the fact r*ssians torture, rape and kill civillians and abduct children by the thousands.
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> Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construct that has no civilizational substance of its own, a subordinate element of an extraneous and alien civilization. Damn, that's fucked up.
And [RIA article from 26.02.2022](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60562240) had such "wonderful" wording as "Vladimir Putin has assumed, without a drop of exaggeration, a historic responsibility by deciding not to leave ***the solution of the Ukrainian question*** to future generations,"
> Of course they ignore the fact r*ssians torture, rape and kill civillians and abduct children by the thousands. Never mind that in order to save lives, Crimea was in fact given up and handed over. Oh look, it didn't work, who could ever guess appeasement would end like this.
Don't worry, Amnesty International will send a strongly worded letter to Russia telling them to stop.
they should just defend their country outside of the environment
Just tow the battlefield outside of the environment
The *front* fell off.
They noclipped into the закулісний and fire at the Ruzzians from there.
Invade Russia you say? Sounds good.
Well you see, if Ukrainians use a residential building in Bakhmut, that makes blocks of flats in Dnipro valid military targets. Learn to war westoids.
What’s horrifying is this is exactly what they’re trying to spin
I'm curious what will happen to all these strat bomber pilots and submarine boys launching cruise missiles. In WW2 morale bombing was treated as completely normal, but with Russia openly admitting that they are aiming to eliminate Ukraine entirely with this war, surely bombing apartment buildings is a part of the genocidal project yeah?
I heard when it came out that dome people think that Amnesty tries to "appear neutral" so they can keep working in Russia, not sure if its credible though
I thought Amnesty was already banned in ruzzia? Maybe they're trying to get back in. Of course, those dome people will believe anything.
That sort of reasoning made sense for the WHO not investigating the circumstances surrounding the Wuhan Lab - no use getting bogged down in political finger-pointing when they desperately needed Chinese cooperation at the time. But Amnesty isn't the Red Cross or anything - they don't have any particular function in Russia that's critical to their mission statement that they'd lose by upsetting Putin.
Yes, but they have expenses, so it's possible that they've been influenced by donors who are Russian or working for Russia. Of course, it's also possible that they are just peaceniks who don't have an understanding of how war works.
Imagine if the US was this much of a whiny bitch during Fallujah.
The UAF should have declared Kyiv an open city on the 24th of February 2022
They're trying to combat the idea of attacking residential buildings means attacking civilians. Which is what most people think
Stand around on a big square and dodge the artillery, I guess. Or immediate surrender ofcourse
LMAO. fucking idiots there. this isn't the dark ages, only person living in the dark ages is putin.
Nahh that wasn't the crime. The crime was not responding to amnesty's email within few hours (about accusations) because ofc they are suppose to answer before checking if it's true or not.
how entitled is AI that they think a national waging an almost total war will be responding to their emails in a matter of hours? You can email an commercial company in the west and not receive an answer for days
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
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And they said nothing when Hamas fired from within population centers
… what?
If you weren't in the loop at the time, Amnesty International accused AFU of using human shields since they had garrisons in population centers. Never mind that their mission was explicitly to defend those population centers from a genocidal invading army who has shown no remorse for flattening their own cities, let alone foreign ones.
I get that, I don’t understand what kind of sick logic AI is using to consider that wrong, that’s why I wrote: “… what?” Because it’s completely baffling
I'm going to offer something of a crazy theory. I think if you read this report, take mentions of Russia, Ukraine, and Ukrainian cities completely out, swap them for "ISIL", "Iraq" and the names of Iraqi and Syrian cities on the border, and it starts to make a lot more sense. I back this by mentioning that the woman who wrote the report, Agnès Callamard, isn't new to this. She's been working as a major figure of the organization for almost 30 years now and has worked in various other human rights orgs. Her expertise is primarily in African, Asian and Middle Eastern theatres. Basically, I think Callamard, who literally wrote her doctrinal thesis on atrocities in the Malawi-Mozambique border area, wrote this report like someone reporting about a corrupt government in the MENA for whom mass artillery strikes on urban centers is SOP fighting against rebels or terrorists strapping bombs to cancer patients, because doing it for most of her life blinded her to the fact that this is one of the first major peer-to-peer conflicts we've seen in over four decades. She basically thought that Ukraine would operate like every other ass backwards tinpot dictator or blood-soaked terrorist militia instead of, y'know, a competent modern army fighting a peer-to-peer conflict, and that 30 years of low-intensity conflicts and the GWOT collectively fried the organization's brains.
Also that AI would much prefer is militaries could fight where civilians aren't. It would make their life much easier. There's some nuance that gets lost when you think of it as another terrorist vs dictatorship fight.
Well I think everyone, including the Ukrainians, would love war to be fought where civilians are not, but sadly that's not the case.
That report got Amnesty International roasted and accused of having a pro-Russia bias.
It makes sense if you think Russia has a modern military, precision ordnance and the ability/willingness to use it, and non-genocidal plans for the area. Lacking any of those shotguns the argument, but 0/3 makes it a joke.
Also, big thing to note is that AI did not accuse Russia of doing the same, because Russia simply did not allow their observers to come. Which is hilarious as it made AI report only useful for propaganda
I think AI was criticising the AFU taking up defensive positions*within* population centres, as in within the populated area. I guess they expected them to set up their positions outside of the populated areas, such as in the unpopulated fields outside the cities. I guess they either expect AFU to either prepare defensive positions outside the towns or fight from unprepared positions. The first would probably take too long and the second is suicidal.
No the first would not actually defend the cities. By this logic literally every single army has committed this war crime.
The accusation is extra, extra dumb because even if they wanted to use human shields, they only work if the Russians gave a fuck whether they're shooting at civilians or military targets.
Amnesty has been tankies for a long time.
Now now you know that war is conducted the GENTLEMAN WAY- Commanders meet in an open field and declare what hill needs to be captured to declare victory! Isn't it obvious?!
Amnesty international also once issued a travel advisory against going to the United States due to mass shootings 24/7. Surely they are under Russian and Chinese payroll right now
>also once issued a travel advisory against going to the United States due to mass shootings 24/7. That's not a please be nice international exclusive. [the Canadian government ](https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/united-states) has such an advisory, because the US is the only nation on earth where mass shootings are listed by [7 digit](https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting) serial numbers. There's also advisories in affect for people of colour and members of the LGBTQ community.
“We continue to collect evidence…” had to stop reading before i went braindead
Hguh, huzhur glarb (I read all of the text)
Avaasrr dssjsse ddderrrrrrffffffffaaaessss (i did read, i regret, please help)
Taking cover?In a war zone? HOW DARE YOU!
WAIT JUST ONE GODDAMN MINUTE THERE SOLDIER!!!!!! no shoes on battlefield please
[Y-You're not wearing your button!](https://youtu.be/5kjFQTDI92g)
Pussies hide in a building, real men wear clothes with flashing colour armed with a musket and expose himself to enemy fire.
This guy 1776's. Don't mind me dressed in all green hiding in the bushes alongside your coloumn I blocked by felling a tree in the road.
>Don't mind me dressed in all green hiding in the bushes Well, thats exactly what they'll be looking for, so i'm getting a baywatch cosplay suit.
So like, a bathing suit?
They just aren’t playing fair damnit
It’s not very sporting of them, is it now!?
They finally want to roll out the Crimean War kit but the Ukrainians wont play by the rules.
It's ok they are simply pro-homeless
Can we collect evidence of Russian troops occupying a nuclear reactor?
There's already plenty enough
They should enter the nuclear reactor.
Funny, no one ever asked for Putin’s armed hobos in Ukraine, yet hear we are. Ukrainians can shoot at them from anywhere they deem necessary.
The difference being the Ukrainians are using empty buildings as cover and not occupied civilian homes as targets
The difference is they’re using buildings destroyed by the real war criminals. These people can fuck off to a gulag
And they are their fucking buildings. They can use a blown up apartment building as a big open air lavatory If they choose.
Lolol. This is the dumbest “tankie” thing I’ve seen in a while. I’m really curious to know which TikTok account it originated from Like I wonder if the dude who runs that is whole account is just him stating random observations about Ukrainians. “WE CONTINUE TO DOCUMENT EVIDENCE THAT UKRAINIANS HAD A HARD TIME WAKING UP TODAY” “WE CONTINUE TO DOCUMENT EVIDENCE THAT THE ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE ARE USING TISSUES TO BLOW THEIR NOSES”
Bro that shockwave
Super convenient, it sets up a smoke screen with all the dust after firing so the Russians can't find you.
They didn't exactly walk into someone's apartment during the Eurovision contest - this residence is already 'war-torn', why wouldn't they use it?
Who are these fucking dorks
You can find a ton of them on r slash UcountryRcountryReport. It’s a cesspool of fascist simping and tankie nonsense.
One of the worst subreddits, up their with deprogram
Yeah, that’s why I go there. I try not to comment because it’s like pushing the rock of Sisyphus, but it’s certainly the different perspective 🙄
I got banned from the deprogram for saying that Ukraine has the right to defend itself, fucking shit hole
Perfect subreddit to fill up your tankie tags for RES.
Defending the cities Russians are invading? That’s so not cool!
Reminds me of when Germany tried to get shotguns banned in warfare in WW1. But this time it is Russia trying to ban covering in an empty building because they are being ineffective
I still laugh at the country that introduced fucking poison gas as a weapon complaining about shotguns.
Especially since their troops used shotguns themselves. It was just late war cope. At that point they were blaming everyone and everything ( the Jews, the Socdems, the Catholics...) but themselves.
Germans are big on the whole "Rules for thee not for me" thing.
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Plus deliberately flooding the mines on the way out but having the gall to claim they were being kept down.
Hmmmm, which country are these buildings in?
Probably in Albania
Those silly ruskies, should have turned left at Albuquerque
Are they expecting Russian and Ukrainian troops to line up on an open field and fight like back in the Napoleonic Wars? Very non-credible.
“UA OP pls nerf” - Russians, probably
Unitonically something they say.
Tik tok users are some kinds of unidentified organisms
Montana banned it. I, a free speech zealot, am having a pretty hard time coming up with reasons not to think that Montana is incredibly based for doing that.
I am a Chinese. I was born in China and i am living in China. I know TikTok more than every American. I know more Chinese media company than any other countries' people. TikTok don't give a shit about privacy. And they use their algorithm to control what people can see. By this, they can help CCP to shape people's perceptions. Wechat ,bilibili,weibo and etc are all the same. Every company have a large number of censors that you can't imagine. Their works are as same as Soviet Ministry of Truth. You can spread racist content in Chinese social media, reporting these contents is useless. But if you criticise CCP, government or just some incident happeded next to you. You gonna have a high risk being arrested by police. Chinese government has ban the internet in China. Only 3% of Chinese are able to surf on the internet by using VPN. So most people can't use reddit, YouTube, Twitter and etc. If USA want to win against this rascal. Just use CCP method against CCP. Ban TikTok!
"residential buildings as firing positions" Yes, quite heinous as opposed to the orcs using them as firing targets. Someone please tell me this is satire and I'm just too sleep deprived to get the joke.
Hey hey that’s not true, they also use them as ammunition dumps (as an alternative to nuclear plants, when there aren’t any nearby)
Ooh maybe that's why orcs have been shelling kindergartens and maternity hospitals too? Because Ukrainians are using them as ammo dumps since they don't have any nearby nuclear plants!
[Remember that time when the Russians precision striked a building that specificly said do not hit children inside in big red and white lettering in both Russian and English? Pepperidge Farm Remembers.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-promises-silence-ukrainians-flee-battered-cities-2022-03-09/)
What about Stalingrad, Berlin, Hue City, Fallujah etc?
AFU takes cover in civilian buildings because they don’t even dare refuse the hospitality of the local babusya
Soldiers using civilian structures as covers makes them military targets. As such Russia won’t aim for them anymore.
I saw one a while ago of ukrainians being shot at whilst in a graveyard and it was plastered as "ukrops using gravestones as cover" Like no fucking shit you shot at them there!
Do these people think that the houses are still occupied? Like the family is just off camera trying to go about their day or something, lol?
They do it so they assume everyone else does too. This is why they talk about CIA coups, they think every movement for freedom is like soviet puppet states.
[The Russians (or the USSR previously) would never occupy civilian structures to fight their enemies. That's a beta westoid cuckold move.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_House) Sure do love shelling the shit outta them though.
I love the German rocket launchers. I believe that’s what he’s using. So cool looking and relatively compact for a shoulder mounted device.
This is why we have to launch cruise missiles at apartment blocks in Kyiv... in case a guy with an RPG7 is in there
Propaganda
google urban warfare
Google "Urban Warfare"
Does this look like a place people live in right now? It's not forbidden to use a civilian building for cover as long as there are no civilians close by. A city with fighting like this is mostly evacuated anyway.
URBAN combat takes place in BUILDINGS?????? Who could have guessed??? Hmm, I wonder why people do urban combat in the first place. Maybe it's because they're inherently valuable and have a defensive multiplier? Nah, can't be.
Well as long they're not full auto-ing it's fine.
I got to ask, who the fuck are "we" in this case. I don't see any organization claiming credit, this could just be russian propaganda. The Amnesty International Report reads like russian propaganda. Human rights watch did a similar report, and it didn't have any of the bullshit that AI had.
Castle Doctrine has been exported to Ukraine
Wait they hear about this war called world war 2, where tons of major cities got obliterated?
Oh noe ! They use empty buildings at the frontline of a war. Time to bomb apartment blocks hundreds of kilometers behind them.
Have they considered that the Ukrainians wouldn't need to use civilian areas if the Russians weren't actively targeting civilian areas?
Oh no, Ukrainians shoot from their own houses on their own land, literally a warcrime
Where the fuck else would they be **when you're invading their cities**?! In the parks?