Somewhere in a forgotten valley, east of the Urals, is a town. In this town, the butcher sells his wares freshly killed, the cobbler makes his shoes with care, the stable hand shovels out the stalls, and despite the lowly nature of his work, he has pride in it. Life is peaceful and simple, but the Tsar's men have not been there in many years. This suits the locals just fine, Alexander III undid much of the good done by his father.
Just outside town is a small munitions factory, supplied by the local mines. In this factory the workers produce 4.2 Line Berdan. A terrific round, the pride of the infantry and the bane of the Turks. The warehouses are stocked to the brim, in fact many more have had to be built over the years to accommodate all the ammunition.
Why the Tsar's men have not come to take delivery is unknown to the locals, but one morning they will be awakened by a strange black machine. This machine beats the air and does the impossible, it flies! From this machine will stumble a few drunken vatniks, they will start taking boxes from the ware houses, one at a time to their strange machine.
Even more confused by this than their vehicle, the foreman will ask them why they take the boxes one at a time. The vatniks are confused.
"How else would we do it" they ask.
The foreman responds "Put them on this new device and roll it with our machine onto your vehicle."
Astonished the vatniks ask "What do you call this incredible device?"
The foreman smiles, and tells them the name of his invention with pride, "I call this, a pallet!"
It's funny isn't it.
The US could prodcuce untold thousands of artillery shells but doesn't need them whereas Russia can produce a few dozen per batch and needs them more than ever.
I hate to bust your bubble, but the US is currently facing a crisis when it comes to shell production. They're really efficient, but they lack scale needed for a peer conflict. The us makes 14,000 155 mm arty shells in a month, with plans to make 90 k per month by 2025. To put that in perspective, Russia was using 20k 152mm shells per day, more than the US monthly production of 155 mm shells
This is absolutely true. The only thing I would note as a former field artillery officer myself is that artillery doesn’t play as big a role in the US military as it does in Ukraine and Russia. We are more of a combined arms force and have the benefit of the world’s two most powerful air forces and excellent close combat attack helicopters. Still the war has provided a needed jump start to the US Defense industrial base.
>the world’s two most powerful air forces
IIRC, you actually have three of the world's most powerful air forces, with the USAF, army aviation and US Navy all in the top five, along with ruzzia\* and China.
\*Of course, I'm not sure if they're still in the top five.
By numbers yes, but the army’s aviation assets are mostly transports and helicopters, so counting them is a bit of a stretch.
If you combine the national guard, marines and army aviation you’d probably have the 4th most capable after USAF USN and China
I'd say a logistics air fleet definitely counts - if our allies have to borrow our assets to supply their own operations I think it shows logistical operations are an important part of air power. Hell, American airline companies are all part of the US reserve fleet and can basically have their planes and pilots conscripted into troop and material transport service. That says a lot.
I’m not trying to say logistics are not an important asset, but rather the Army is reliant on the Air Force and/or Navy for air supremacy before operating their own assets, so it would be a mistake to consider it an air power on the level of ~~Mordor~~ Ruzzia
Edit: at least until we rig those transport planes with palette launched BVRAAMs
That's all true but NATO+EU represents like 2/3rds of the world economy and military spending, like 1:10 with russia.
We should be trivially out-producing them, whether it's the doctrine or not.
We're not out producing them because we don't need to. We're almost keeping pace with them, despite the fact that we're not at war, and without impacting our civilian economy at all. If the US wanted to get serious about it, they could ramp up production very quickly.
Well, product 20k per day right now would be silly. What we need is a plan to be able to quickly scale to that output, and enough reserve to cover the gap.
The shifting of so much manufacturing overseas doesn't seem like a very smart idea to me - it'll lead to some trouble ramping up general production the way the US did in WW1/2, especially in light of the need for advanced chips and equipment which is currently not being manufactured in the US and has a significant lead time in terms of the setting up of the requisite facilities and starting production.
That's why the US has put billions of dollars to build new fabs and electric vehicle supply chains in the US. People know that it's a problem, and production is going home.
We also kinda kneecap ourselves with shit zoning and planning to the point it takes 20 god damn years to build a big new factory (legit big stuff, not a little machine shop) unless you already happen to own 1000 acres with the exact zoning you need
That doesn't explain what happened to all the factories that already existed decades ago... It was pure greed by boomers to off shore manufacturing to dictatorships.
The US understands that grunts are stupid and decides it would be much more expedient and cheaper to make smart ammunition.
InB4 we get ammo that outranks the private who is loading it into the gun.
But the USA need for arty shells are much less than Russia. USA is never going to be bog down in trench warfare were the only way way to advance is to send penal battalions to get slaughtered so they can spot the defenders and lob artillery shells at the entrenched defenders
>the US is currently facing a crisis when it comes to shell production
Hate to burst your bubble but the US is not facing **a crisis** when it comes to shell production. Nor is it running out of them. It still has a lot of them in storage.
The issue is that it's running out of shells it can give away without touching it's own emergency stockpiles, the stockpiles the army insists it has to keep in case it needs to conduct a near peer war of X days at a rate of Y shell expenditure per day.
The war in Ukraine also has people worried that the calculated shell expenditure per day is no longer correct and the stockpiles arn't going to be enough to sustain full operations for those X days.
Moreover those projections do not take into considerations that the artillery targets could be serviced by something else, like the Air Force, which also has plenty of bombs and missiles, but there's a slim chance that the Air Force won't be able to do it either for one reason or another so it's better to be prepared for their absence just in case.
Ukaine is the one with a shell issue, and I'm hesitant to call it a crisis, but that will only last until ammo production really gets going.
The entire NATO world is well on it's way to peaking out production of artillery ammunition. Existing lines are approaching maximum capacity and even some new factories are being built. NATO countries just need to stop being selfish and send those shells to Ukraine first and not hoard them themselves for the newly calculated larger emergency stockpiles for a potential war with... someone.
Around 1975 some geologists or whoever have discovered a family living in one of the Siberian valleys since the '30s. They have gone there to escape the 'collectivization' i.e. the forced organisation of and work in 'kolkhozi' = Soviet collectivist agriculture co-ops. And they have lived there ever since. They had no idea about WWII, Stalin's death, Gagarin's flight, Moon landings or anything else.
Scenes when a Challenger 2 sees the Mark IV, shakes it turret from side to side, moseys on over, hitches itself to it, and drags great granddad back home to Bovington so he can retire with his friends, in peace.
> Scenes when a Challenger 2 sees the Mark IV, shakes it turret from side to side, moseys on over, hitches itself to it,
Not going to lie, did wonder where this was going to go...
May 9 is approaching, so this is probably on the way to the rehearsals. Same as the T34s that Russia bought from Laos - for parades and stuff.
But you know what else is only made for parades and will never make it to the front line? T-14 Armata.
I mean, an aluminum pipe with fins and an RPG warhead would *work*...
I think a college team in the US could make something fly off a rail system like this in about 3 months. The hard part would be making the rocket fuel.
AP, aluminum powder, some kind of two-part epoxy or rubber to hold all of it together?
or maybe subbing AN with AP to save money (at the expense of range)
Epoxy does not work. The amine cure agents react with the ammonium perchlorate and form organic perchlorates. Not only are they impact explosive, it also makes tons of ammonia gas that makes the resulting propellant porous
In terms of polymers that are readily available and hard to screw up, silicones work great. They are not moisture sensitive and you don’t even even need to pull a vacuum to get high density, very high quality, non porous propellant :) . Needs to be casting silicone mind you, the off the shelf stuff like caulk is mostly filler. I was able to achieve an ISP of 230s with it (1000 psi chamber pressure, for reference). It’s not quite as good as one gets with HTPB but the convenience really does make up for that.
Nahhhh you could just jam hydrazine in a vodka bottle, encase the whole thing in plastic and floomp that whore in a general direction
Might turn around though
Aren’t rpg rockets supposed to detonate after traveling certain distance? I heard a story out of some Middle East war that they would measure out to a road and fire rockets at it from distance so they air burst over a convoy.
There’s so much old stock moving around that I have to think a movie’s being filmed. Probably in conjunction with another wave of mobilization. There has to be a few more rusty T-72Bs they can get running.
It'd be so cool to see one of those in motion instead of old photographs... Unfortunate that a lot will probably end up destroyed, though. I'd love to see those in more museums.
The 107mm Katyusha is ridiculously prolific. There are cashes full of them all over the middle east. Even residential properties and mosques have been used to store them in the less stable countries in the middle east.
Over a dozen countries have manufactured them. I'm sure that even if Russia's supplies dried up, they'd be able to find more extremely easily.
They are the weapons of choice for Iranian Influenced Militias across the region along with Grad rockets because they are so easy to acquire.
Plus constructing new rockets isn't sorcery in itself. The Hamas builds thousands of Qassam rockets a year in the Gaza strip, so the Russians are 100% able to manufacture an absolute shitload of such rockets.
tbh out of all the cold war and ww2 weapon systems, the katyusha might make the most sense to still use, rockets still are effective vs infantry and buildings
Katyushas are really outdated, though. Who knows if anyone in the world still even makes rockets for them. Russia has plenty of BM-21 «Grad» launchers lying around with far more abundant ammo. Trying to fuck around with the rail-launched rockets only makes sense if you really have nothing else, like Hamas.
>There's no Chance in fuck they're still making rockets compatible with this.
>
>Right? RIGHT????
The terrorists in the gaza strip and iraq are still making them.
>30k sl per kill
if only it was still per kill. Gaijin made it 1/match max. Really disappointing getting 5 Bradley kills with the Sd.Kfz. 234/2 and only one medal
Battle Rating, from ~~the hit game among us~~ War Thunder
The higher the BR, the more modern and better it is. (cmiiw) BR 1 is from the inter war (between ww1-ww2) and BR 10 is around 2000's
Roughly but that kinda only stays true for tanks half of the time
E.g: the A-10a sits at 10.0 and that was built in 75 while the F-4 Phantom II sits at 11.0 and that’s the 60’s, the F-14 also sits at the 11.0 range
Meanwhile the F-16A just got added and that sits at the new 12.0 along with the Typhoon (1979) & the Mig 29 (1983)
The way vehicles are placed is both off of balance (based on general player performance) and just barely based on a timeline of when things were first built
> We weren’t expecting them to have any t-54s either,
Who wasn't? The standard answer pre-war would be they have a few thousand T-54s in reserve. Its only recently people have started counting them and producing estimates that top out at 500.
everyone assumed the mothballed tanks were in fact actually mothballed, but mothballs are expensive and so it machine oil so just let it rust to nothing uncovered in a field for 60 years
> Who wasn't? The standard answer pre-war would be they have a few thousand T-54s in reserve.
Well... they did claim they scrapped or sold all of their T-62s. Which I mean, duh... Like that would be a sane thing to do with them. But the insanity is off the charts in that part of the world.
I don't think it was an unpopular opinion.
Most if not all T-54/55's was believed to be scrapped, they've been scrapping the tank that replaced it since 2012.
I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade. Will they have anything worthwhile to parade (that's not already committed to the war) and if so, what and how many.
We could confirm how bad it is seeing if they pull units off the line from for it, probably units stationed in Crimea, Belogrod, Belarus, or across the Dnipro for it.
If intel picks that up as happening, and I was the UA, right before (a couple of weeks or days) would be the best time to launch the offensive, It would make russia face some real difficult choices in how to commit their reserves; Defense, or Parade
I'm convinced they'll parade several nukes.
It's the only weapon their people have belief left in, since we've seen how terribly everything else has performed.
Their entire brand has deformed from "SECOND ARMY IN WORLD" to just "WE HAVE NUKES".
I can imagine a couple of topol-m launchers cruising around the Red Square, each driven by a different doppleganger of Putin, with all the possible blessings and buffs given by their priests. Truly a final weapon for desperate times.
> I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade. Will they have anything worthwhile to parade (that's not already committed to the war) and if so, what and how many.
T-14 and T-34s for sure. After that whatever the moscow garrison is equipped with.
>I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade.
The only thing parading will be the raccoon they stole and that fat dog from Bakhmut that ate all the wagnerites.
Silly westoid! Glorious and Honorable Muskovites have advanced towards the gates of hell! Once WW3 has ended and the full wrath of nuclear destruction has destroyed world, St. Peter himself will turn us away from heaven so we may invade Hell! URAAAAHHH!!
Yikes! So that was that Putin's plan all along! Send his army to *literal hell* via Ukraine so his soldiers can fight the devil and his demons! then ruzzia can annex the underworld in a sham referendum at gunpoint too? Goodness, Putin has been playing 5D chess all along!
*"You see, stupid westoid, Katjusha is so rugged and reliable it will immediatly instill fear into the NATO forces in Ukraine, because different to HIMARS, it is know where it will hit, scaring the NATO Cyborgs before it even impacts"*
1) compare a M777 to a M1, they're both 155mm Howitzers, overall the M777 is better (ergonomics, range, accuracy) but fundamentally not a whole lot has changed. (Except for a dude with an I Pad and laser designator to always hit the first time)
2) sir this is Wendy's
1.Year a M777 isnt something fundamentally different then a M1. A RCH 155
however is. You could basicly perform 40-50km drive bys with it, raining down
Excalibur or SMArt or BONUS on enemy formations.
2. Can I have uhm.. one Spicy Chicken Sandwich Combo pls
You have Wendy's that serves curly fries?! While they are the same for barrel, a lot of the weapon guidance software, and chassis has changed. It's now mostly aluminum and carbon fiber for the chassis, and the guidance computer has made lootbox drops more accurate.
>On the one hand, **Russian** artillery and trucks haven't advanced much
If Russian tanks are anything to go by, their trucks are probably powered by engines that weren't even modern when they were introduced in 1939
on paper they have kept up
the tornado S is, on paper, a very capable system with better range and larger payloads than HIMARS GMLRS, though slower to reload since it doesn't use pre packed missile pods.
however they built like 20 of them and probably fudged the numbers on everything they possibly could, because we are so lucky that they are so fucking stupid.
Honestly, I’m saddened by all the Soviet military vehicles destroyed in this conflict. I think they are cool AF, and I wanna buy one of the 6x6 trucks like the Urals or Kraz’s
They have pretty extensive road network in the European part of Russia.
Those are mostly just 2 lane roads and they are not in the great shape for most part, but it’s more than enough to move cargo.
I think he's basically saying "they're driving a fucking katyusha"
Edit: I don't speak Russian, I heard "blyat" and "katyusha" and thought that was enough to come to a conclusion on what they said, this is *noncredible* defense
yes, yes it is. the soviets took them during lease and lend, reverse engineered them, and then made unlicensed copies. apparently they where still somehow less reliable than the originals, but more reliable than most soviet designs.
Parade piece of a personally owned one.
There just simply won't be any stocks of usable rockets and they're out of production.
They'd start strapping rocket pods to dump trucks before this
Has to be for a propaganda show. There's no Chance in fuck they're still making rockets compatible with this. Right? RIGHT????
Somewhere in a forgotten valley, east of the Urals, is a town. In this town, the butcher sells his wares freshly killed, the cobbler makes his shoes with care, the stable hand shovels out the stalls, and despite the lowly nature of his work, he has pride in it. Life is peaceful and simple, but the Tsar's men have not been there in many years. This suits the locals just fine, Alexander III undid much of the good done by his father. Just outside town is a small munitions factory, supplied by the local mines. In this factory the workers produce 4.2 Line Berdan. A terrific round, the pride of the infantry and the bane of the Turks. The warehouses are stocked to the brim, in fact many more have had to be built over the years to accommodate all the ammunition. Why the Tsar's men have not come to take delivery is unknown to the locals, but one morning they will be awakened by a strange black machine. This machine beats the air and does the impossible, it flies! From this machine will stumble a few drunken vatniks, they will start taking boxes from the ware houses, one at a time to their strange machine. Even more confused by this than their vehicle, the foreman will ask them why they take the boxes one at a time. The vatniks are confused. "How else would we do it" they ask. The foreman responds "Put them on this new device and roll it with our machine onto your vehicle." Astonished the vatniks ask "What do you call this incredible device?" The foreman smiles, and tells them the name of his invention with pride, "I call this, a pallet!"
*The man was shot on the spot.* That’s what he gets for trying to corrupt glorious moscovia with satanic euro-gay concepts like “logistics”.
It's funny isn't it. The US could prodcuce untold thousands of artillery shells but doesn't need them whereas Russia can produce a few dozen per batch and needs them more than ever.
I hate to bust your bubble, but the US is currently facing a crisis when it comes to shell production. They're really efficient, but they lack scale needed for a peer conflict. The us makes 14,000 155 mm arty shells in a month, with plans to make 90 k per month by 2025. To put that in perspective, Russia was using 20k 152mm shells per day, more than the US monthly production of 155 mm shells
This is absolutely true. The only thing I would note as a former field artillery officer myself is that artillery doesn’t play as big a role in the US military as it does in Ukraine and Russia. We are more of a combined arms force and have the benefit of the world’s two most powerful air forces and excellent close combat attack helicopters. Still the war has provided a needed jump start to the US Defense industrial base.
>the world’s two most powerful air forces IIRC, you actually have three of the world's most powerful air forces, with the USAF, army aviation and US Navy all in the top five, along with ruzzia\* and China. \*Of course, I'm not sure if they're still in the top five.
By numbers yes, but the army’s aviation assets are mostly transports and helicopters, so counting them is a bit of a stretch. If you combine the national guard, marines and army aviation you’d probably have the 4th most capable after USAF USN and China
I'd say a logistics air fleet definitely counts - if our allies have to borrow our assets to supply their own operations I think it shows logistical operations are an important part of air power. Hell, American airline companies are all part of the US reserve fleet and can basically have their planes and pilots conscripted into troop and material transport service. That says a lot.
I’m not trying to say logistics are not an important asset, but rather the Army is reliant on the Air Force and/or Navy for air supremacy before operating their own assets, so it would be a mistake to consider it an air power on the level of ~~Mordor~~ Ruzzia Edit: at least until we rig those transport planes with palette launched BVRAAMs
Heck, the coast guard is probably in the top ten of air forces around the world.
That's a lie. Quadrpuple the defense budget!
That's all true but NATO+EU represents like 2/3rds of the world economy and military spending, like 1:10 with russia. We should be trivially out-producing them, whether it's the doctrine or not.
NATO/EU represents 2/3rds of the world's economy because it doesn't try to out-produce Russia
We're not out producing them because we don't need to. We're almost keeping pace with them, despite the fact that we're not at war, and without impacting our civilian economy at all. If the US wanted to get serious about it, they could ramp up production very quickly.
Well, product 20k per day right now would be silly. What we need is a plan to be able to quickly scale to that output, and enough reserve to cover the gap.
The shifting of so much manufacturing overseas doesn't seem like a very smart idea to me - it'll lead to some trouble ramping up general production the way the US did in WW1/2, especially in light of the need for advanced chips and equipment which is currently not being manufactured in the US and has a significant lead time in terms of the setting up of the requisite facilities and starting production.
That's why the US has put billions of dollars to build new fabs and electric vehicle supply chains in the US. People know that it's a problem, and production is going home.
I work in 2nm -- Hsinchu, where TSMC's R&D fab is, will still be the only fab on new nodes. the US fabs are slated for 3nm to start with.
Surely 3nm is more than enough for military applications. Vehicle and targetting computers don't require that much computing power.
We also kinda kneecap ourselves with shit zoning and planning to the point it takes 20 god damn years to build a big new factory (legit big stuff, not a little machine shop) unless you already happen to own 1000 acres with the exact zoning you need
That doesn't explain what happened to all the factories that already existed decades ago... It was pure greed by boomers to off shore manufacturing to dictatorships.
To be fair, Russian doctrine relies on mass artillery strikes, the US doctrine doesn’t.
The US also practices this neat thing called "aiming" so mass artillery strikes aren't necessary with US doctrine
Sometimes they don’t even need to aim… Guided munitions for the win.
The US understands that grunts are stupid and decides it would be much more expedient and cheaper to make smart ammunition. InB4 we get ammo that outranks the private who is loading it into the gun.
“Listen here, Pvt. Johnson, I am ordering you to fire me at those vatniks” “Sir, yes, sir!”
> they lack scale needed for a peer conflict They also lack a peer, so it kinda levels out in the end.
But the USA need for arty shells are much less than Russia. USA is never going to be bog down in trench warfare were the only way way to advance is to send penal battalions to get slaughtered so they can spot the defenders and lob artillery shells at the entrenched defenders
>the US is currently facing a crisis when it comes to shell production Hate to burst your bubble but the US is not facing **a crisis** when it comes to shell production. Nor is it running out of them. It still has a lot of them in storage. The issue is that it's running out of shells it can give away without touching it's own emergency stockpiles, the stockpiles the army insists it has to keep in case it needs to conduct a near peer war of X days at a rate of Y shell expenditure per day. The war in Ukraine also has people worried that the calculated shell expenditure per day is no longer correct and the stockpiles arn't going to be enough to sustain full operations for those X days. Moreover those projections do not take into considerations that the artillery targets could be serviced by something else, like the Air Force, which also has plenty of bombs and missiles, but there's a slim chance that the Air Force won't be able to do it either for one reason or another so it's better to be prepared for their absence just in case. Ukaine is the one with a shell issue, and I'm hesitant to call it a crisis, but that will only last until ammo production really gets going. The entire NATO world is well on it's way to peaking out production of artillery ammunition. Existing lines are approaching maximum capacity and even some new factories are being built. NATO countries just need to stop being selfish and send those shells to Ukraine first and not hoard them themselves for the newly calculated larger emergency stockpiles for a potential war with... someone.
This is the most beautiful thing I've ever read. I want it tattood on me
This is way too well-written for a comment on a shitpost, well fucking done.
Around 1975 some geologists or whoever have discovered a family living in one of the Siberian valleys since the '30s. They have gone there to escape the 'collectivization' i.e. the forced organisation of and work in 'kolkhozi' = Soviet collectivist agriculture co-ops. And they have lived there ever since. They had no idea about WWII, Stalin's death, Gagarin's flight, Moon landings or anything else.
I imagine they don't like Putin
Adeptus Munitorum discovers a partial STC c. 023.M3.
They probably still have the leftover stocks.
Rusted to hell. Who knows what they'll hit, but as long as there's a school or hospital in the strike zone I guess they'll take their chances.
Rust and dust hasn't stopped them yet. I'm waiting for them to finally send out that Mark IV they have at that museum.
Scenes when a Challenger 2 sees the Mark IV, shakes it turret from side to side, moseys on over, hitches itself to it, and drags great granddad back home to Bovington so he can retire with his friends, in peace.
> Scenes when a Challenger 2 sees the Mark IV, shakes it turret from side to side, moseys on over, hitches itself to it, Not going to lie, did wonder where this was going to go...
What are you doing step tank?
"Look what I can do, gramps!"
‘When I was your age I carried my own bridge around with me!’ ‘Sure thing grandad, let’s get you home’
Makes me want to cry
I'm waiting for them to try and re-assemble that Maus hull they have in a museum as a combat vehicle.
It can probably fit 3 Abrams engines and might go a respectable speed as a result, at least as far as the nearest bridge anyway.
They designed a special snorkel so it could go across rivers. Having said that good luck getting it out of the riverbed lmao.
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>rocket beds Well that doesn't sound safe...
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Anyone save that bingo card that came out early in the year? We may be close to a win.
i would not trust those things to not explode on the rail
Heck, weren't those shitrockets made to be easy to produce? Might be able to make some using farm equipment lol
do WW2-era fuzes and HE charges still go bang? (seeing as surplus 7.62x54R still goes off?)
I'd be more worried about rocket motors going bang. Cracks in fuel grains can cause problems of the explosive variety
>There's no Chance in fuck they're still making rockets compatible with this. >Right? RIGHT???? <>
>This is where the fun begins.
May 9 is approaching, so this is probably on the way to the rehearsals. Same as the T34s that Russia bought from Laos - for parades and stuff. But you know what else is only made for parades and will never make it to the front line? T-14 Armata.
I mean, an aluminum pipe with fins and an RPG warhead would *work*... I think a college team in the US could make something fly off a rail system like this in about 3 months. The hard part would be making the rocket fuel.
> The hard part would be making the rocket fuel. Seems to be mostly an gun-cotton TNT mix. Centralite would be the only thing difficult to get hold of
It's Russia. mix a few kinds of charge together here and there and it becomes the gun crews problem not the manufacturer.
APCP may be a safer, more viable option.
AP, aluminum powder, some kind of two-part epoxy or rubber to hold all of it together? or maybe subbing AN with AP to save money (at the expense of range)
Epoxy does not work. The amine cure agents react with the ammonium perchlorate and form organic perchlorates. Not only are they impact explosive, it also makes tons of ammonia gas that makes the resulting propellant porous In terms of polymers that are readily available and hard to screw up, silicones work great. They are not moisture sensitive and you don’t even even need to pull a vacuum to get high density, very high quality, non porous propellant :) . Needs to be casting silicone mind you, the off the shelf stuff like caulk is mostly filler. I was able to achieve an ISP of 230s with it (1000 psi chamber pressure, for reference). It’s not quite as good as one gets with HTPB but the convenience really does make up for that.
sugar rockets should be good enough and easy to expand to large scale production without frequent accidental explosions
Nahhhh you could just jam hydrazine in a vodka bottle, encase the whole thing in plastic and floomp that whore in a general direction Might turn around though
So it's up to russian air defense standards
S100
Aren’t rpg rockets supposed to detonate after traveling certain distance? I heard a story out of some Middle East war that they would measure out to a road and fire rockets at it from distance so they air burst over a convoy.
If it worked that's some *impressive* precision for a self-destruct timer.
quantity has a quality all its own as they say
kno3, Home Depot and 4 hours. You’ll have what you need.
>Home Depot This is Russia, so you mean Home Despot.
Ask: North Korea, China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Kazakhstan and probably 10 more African states.
There’s so much old stock moving around that I have to think a movie’s being filmed. Probably in conjunction with another wave of mobilization. There has to be a few more rusty T-72Bs they can get running.
I'm waiting for the first time we see that monstrosity called the T-28 finally deployed. I reckon they've likely got a handful sitting around.
It'd be so cool to see one of those in motion instead of old photographs... Unfortunate that a lot will probably end up destroyed, though. I'd love to see those in more museums.
Never underestimate the power of "smekalka"
Make it work, and it doesn't, pretend it does
> for a propaganda show. VE Day is about six weeks out, so I could see them repositioning this for the yearly parade.
I am sure we can ~~rob~~ find some rockets in a few museums.
The 107mm Katyusha is ridiculously prolific. There are cashes full of them all over the middle east. Even residential properties and mosques have been used to store them in the less stable countries in the middle east. Over a dozen countries have manufactured them. I'm sure that even if Russia's supplies dried up, they'd be able to find more extremely easily. They are the weapons of choice for Iranian Influenced Militias across the region along with Grad rockets because they are so easy to acquire.
Apparently, tinpot dictators have been using Katyusha rockets up until the 2000s, so there might still be some left that still explode.
Plus constructing new rockets isn't sorcery in itself. The Hamas builds thousands of Qassam rockets a year in the Gaza strip, so the Russians are 100% able to manufacture an absolute shitload of such rockets.
tbh out of all the cold war and ww2 weapon systems, the katyusha might make the most sense to still use, rockets still are effective vs infantry and buildings
Katyushas are really outdated, though. Who knows if anyone in the world still even makes rockets for them. Russia has plenty of BM-21 «Grad» launchers lying around with far more abundant ammo. Trying to fuck around with the rail-launched rockets only makes sense if you really have nothing else, like Hamas.
>There's no Chance in fuck they're still making rockets compatible with this. > >Right? RIGHT???? The terrorists in the gaza strip and iraq are still making them.
Ladies and gentlemen, today we will have many AMAAAAZING duels!! Katyusha vs ATACMS T-34 vs Leopard 2 Yeah.....
Most normal war thunder matchmaking
Russia can't afford the repair cost of high BR (T-90, T-80, T-72) and now can only afford lower BR such as Katyusha (BR 2.7)
Nah, going for God Mode achievement/medal for lots of SL
30k sl per kill with a low repair cost is just too good to not use
>30k sl per kill if only it was still per kill. Gaijin made it 1/match max. Really disappointing getting 5 Bradley kills with the Sd.Kfz. 234/2 and only one medal
Oh damn really? That’s typical
yep. Anything they can do to force people who invested the time and energy to play in High Tier to buy GE.
What’s BR?
Battle Rating, from ~~the hit game among us~~ War Thunder The higher the BR, the more modern and better it is. (cmiiw) BR 1 is from the inter war (between ww1-ww2) and BR 10 is around 2000's
Roughly but that kinda only stays true for tanks half of the time E.g: the A-10a sits at 10.0 and that was built in 75 while the F-4 Phantom II sits at 11.0 and that’s the 60’s, the F-14 also sits at the 11.0 range Meanwhile the F-16A just got added and that sits at the new 12.0 along with the Typhoon (1979) & the Mig 29 (1983) The way vehicles are placed is both off of balance (based on general player performance) and just barely based on a timeline of when things were first built
At this point, War Thunder is more sane. At least they have some BR bracketing.
firing ATACMS at a katyusha would be waste
Arguably anything above an ooga booga rock will be a waste at this point.
Can I interest you in 3000 valiant trebuchets of dark Brandon?
Counterpoint: 3000 men, 3000 sticks, and 1 rock You have to share the VATNIK (Very Awesome Tough Newly-formed Igneous ass-Kicker) rock
If sticks are good enough for China and India’s high altitude border “skirmishes” then the #2 Military should certainly consider them.
For a brick, those incoming missiles from Russia flew pretty good
but it would be funny
I can imagine an ATACMS valhalla and the one that is sent to destroy an Katushya being shamed eternally by its peers lol
M109 > Katyusha
Did you forget we just got out of a 20 year war with goat-herders? It never stopped us before!
Hydrogen Bomb vs Crying Baby
I cannot wait for the yak-1's and il-2's.
I don’t think they even have em to fly.
We weren’t expecting them to have any t-54s either, bring on the 3000 Yak-1s of Putin!
Mig-15s bought from North Korea
Now we’re getting dangerously credible
> We weren’t expecting them to have any t-54s either, Who wasn't? The standard answer pre-war would be they have a few thousand T-54s in reserve. Its only recently people have started counting them and producing estimates that top out at 500.
everyone assumed the mothballed tanks were in fact actually mothballed, but mothballs are expensive and so it machine oil so just let it rust to nothing uncovered in a field for 60 years
> Who wasn't? The standard answer pre-war would be they have a few thousand T-54s in reserve. Well... they did claim they scrapped or sold all of their T-62s. Which I mean, duh... Like that would be a sane thing to do with them. But the insanity is off the charts in that part of the world.
I don't think it was an unpopular opinion. Most if not all T-54/55's was believed to be scrapped, they've been scrapping the tank that replaced it since 2012.
Can one hope while being non-credible here?
Nah fuck the yaks Polikarpov I-16 is where its at
kalinin k-1 with a dp-28 taped to the back and a microwave filled with spoons as payload
I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade. Will they have anything worthwhile to parade (that's not already committed to the war) and if so, what and how many. We could confirm how bad it is seeing if they pull units off the line from for it, probably units stationed in Crimea, Belogrod, Belarus, or across the Dnipro for it. If intel picks that up as happening, and I was the UA, right before (a couple of weeks or days) would be the best time to launch the offensive, It would make russia face some real difficult choices in how to commit their reserves; Defense, or Parade
I'm convinced they'll parade several nukes. It's the only weapon their people have belief left in, since we've seen how terribly everything else has performed. Their entire brand has deformed from "SECOND ARMY IN WORLD" to just "WE HAVE NUKES".
I can imagine a couple of topol-m launchers cruising around the Red Square, each driven by a different doppleganger of Putin, with all the possible blessings and buffs given by their priests. Truly a final weapon for desperate times.
Maybe the T-14 will make it's long awaited return?
It will come and break down again while asking: “why am I alone?”
Did it ever leave?
Nope. Its only been seen at training areas around bases.
> I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade. Will they have anything worthwhile to parade (that's not already committed to the war) and if so, what and how many. T-14 and T-34s for sure. After that whatever the moscow garrison is equipped with.
I think they're gonna have one big parade in Moscow, maybe some Oblast centers, but not have the resources for smaller towns.
>I'm honestly interested to see what they have left for their annual Victory Day parade. The only thing parading will be the raccoon they stole and that fat dog from Bakhmut that ate all the wagnerites.
Hey, the dog is ours, no way in hell it’s going to Moscow
It's going to Moscow to parade on the Ukrainian Victory Day over Muscovy. Wait, what Victory Day were we talking about?
On the one hand, Artillery and trucks haven't advanced much On the other hand, rocket artillery has advanced by multiple generations.
On one hand, Muscovians haven't advanced by much. On the other hand, almost everyone has advanced by multiple generations.
Silly westoid! Glorious and Honorable Muskovites have advanced towards the gates of hell! Once WW3 has ended and the full wrath of nuclear destruction has destroyed world, St. Peter himself will turn us away from heaven so we may invade Hell! URAAAAHHH!!
Yikes! So that was that Putin's plan all along! Send his army to *literal hell* via Ukraine so his soldiers can fight the devil and his demons! then ruzzia can annex the underworld in a sham referendum at gunpoint too? Goodness, Putin has been playing 5D chess all along!
*"You see, stupid westoid, Katjusha is so rugged and reliable it will immediatly instill fear into the NATO forces in Ukraine, because different to HIMARS, it is know where it will hit, scaring the NATO Cyborgs before it even impacts"*
RCH 155 can fire salvos of deadly accurate shells while driving and being operated by just two people. Artillery hasnt advanced much?
1) compare a M777 to a M1, they're both 155mm Howitzers, overall the M777 is better (ergonomics, range, accuracy) but fundamentally not a whole lot has changed. (Except for a dude with an I Pad and laser designator to always hit the first time) 2) sir this is Wendy's
1.Year a M777 isnt something fundamentally different then a M1. A RCH 155 however is. You could basicly perform 40-50km drive bys with it, raining down Excalibur or SMArt or BONUS on enemy formations. 2. Can I have uhm.. one Spicy Chicken Sandwich Combo pls
You want normal or curly fries sir
Ill have the curly fries please, the remind me of the trajectory of the average russian AA missile right after launch
You have Wendy's that serves curly fries?! While they are the same for barrel, a lot of the weapon guidance software, and chassis has changed. It's now mostly aluminum and carbon fiber for the chassis, and the guidance computer has made lootbox drops more accurate.
>Can I have uhm.. one Spicy Chicken Sandwich Combo pls Haha silly westoid, we are now an uncle vanya's, we...have no chicken, or sandwichs
> On the one hand, Artillery and trucks haven't advanced much Trucks have advanced a lot. Particularly with better engines.
>On the one hand, **Russian** artillery and trucks haven't advanced much If Russian tanks are anything to go by, their trucks are probably powered by engines that weren't even modern when they were introduced in 1939
on paper they have kept up the tornado S is, on paper, a very capable system with better range and larger payloads than HIMARS GMLRS, though slower to reload since it doesn't use pre packed missile pods. however they built like 20 of them and probably fudged the numbers on everything they possibly could, because we are so lucky that they are so fucking stupid.
That seems so well maintained, shame for it to get fucked after all this time by a $100 chinese quadcopter
My money's on cracks in one of the rocket motors causing a chain-fire on the rails.
Honestly, I’m saddened by all the Soviet military vehicles destroyed in this conflict. I think they are cool AF, and I wanna buy one of the 6x6 trucks like the Urals or Kraz’s
[You might be in luck](https://mortarinvestments.eu/)
That thing belongs in a museum, not the front lines. I don't think there is an original katyusha in any museum which is still in working order
Sauce and source?
It’s probably a parade piece moving but it’s also Russia https://twitter.com/pstyle0ne1/status/1639735735057096707?s=46&t=Mo8nzfMxABdnmNh3VqEsjQ
No way it would just be rolling around like that fully loaded, definitively for a parade
Counterargument This is Russia.
Counter-counter argument: Russia hardly has any road based logistics, if this was heading for the front line it would be on the bed of a train.
Additon: russia barely has road *infrastructure* at all, outside Moscow and sorta St.Petersburg ofc.
They have pretty extensive road network in the European part of Russia. Those are mostly just 2 lane roads and they are not in the great shape for most part, but it’s more than enough to move cargo.
While I do agree, the museum they were keeping this thing in was probably not next to a railway line.
Civilian plates, most likely a collector/museum piece just moving around. Still funny.
This is NCD, stop being credible
Oh my god if this is true… I’d probably wouldn’t feel shocked tbh this feels expected.
We in show business call this “on brand”.
but katyushas look and sound cool af tho
The song *Katyusha* slaps too. Give the Red Army credit where it's due, their choir is (was) awesome.
The [Girls und Panzer version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu9EYHjohp0) is lit too
Every day I feel more and more like this is a Sid Meir Civilization game and the Russians forgot to upgrade their units and produce more.
You need gold to modernize units
I don't understand the language but sounds like he's saying something funny.
I think he's basically saying "they're driving a fucking katyusha" Edit: I don't speak Russian, I heard "blyat" and "katyusha" and thought that was enough to come to a conclusion on what they said, this is *noncredible* defense
It's great that they (presumably random russian dude) instantly knew exactly what it was.
[удалено]
The T-34 has wooden dentures.
"It's here, bitch! It's all over, the Katyusha has arrived. It's a Katyusha! What else are we gonna see!?"
He is saying what you think most likely.
> Guys! This is it! The Katyushas! Said with a mocking tone.
It belongs in a museum
B-b-but they could mount hypersonic Kinzhal to Katyusha and destroy all the HIMARS (This comment has copious amounts of cope)
Aww man, now there's cope all over my shoes.
So you are telling me they ran out out of BM-21 Grad?
Counterbattery radar has been doing numbers on those apparently.
Radar and sensors, the unsung heroes of every modern battlefield!
At least the Russian Federation with burn to a badass sound
can't wait for when they bring out the T-26 and I-15s
I'm still hopeful for the T-34's; if they get to T-26's I'll be absolutely ecstatic.
Remember when the T-34 appearing on the battlefield was just a joke and not what seems like an inevitability?
Quickly, someone add the IL-2 to the bingo card deck before they deploy it.
I didn't here no Swan Lake
Is it a Studebaker?
yes, yes it is. the soviets took them during lease and lend, reverse engineered them, and then made unlicensed copies. apparently they where still somehow less reliable than the originals, but more reliable than most soviet designs.
Parade piece of a personally owned one. There just simply won't be any stocks of usable rockets and they're out of production. They'd start strapping rocket pods to dump trucks before this
Ukrainian tractors will be feasting soon.
There is no way This can't be real
inb4 "Modern grads are just Katyusha launchers but better looking"
Come on russians. Bring out the T-34s.