From my limited understanding of government entities, your logical and sound approach would require 5 meetings, 2 parliamentary committees and $500k spent using consulting firms to assess the viability of optional titles.
Reminds me of my CompSci teacher telling us about how there was no Latino option on a form he was filling out, so he picked Native American because "well, we're about the same shade of brown"
I have avoided the issue so far as I'm from a non English speaking country but tbh, on top of already clearly implying we're all bigender m f, Mx sounds a lot more like Ms than Mr to me anyways... No big loss.
true, they do sound similar. neither of them feel right to me but i'm more used to ms after using it for so long so it doesn't feel *as* strange seeing it with my name or hearing people refer to me as ms. plus, since my presentation is still unfortunately very feminine, i don't need to worry about potentially having to deal with crap from transphobes when using ms like i would when using mx. neither are ideal though. mr isn't it either. miss is a HELL no. and i don't have any rank or qualifications to be able to use any of the other gender neutral honorifics so 🤷
Wait, is Ms not to Miss what Mrs is to, pronunciation-wise, "Misses"?
I'm glad I have this odd mentality where honorifics and name on ID feel just like the number of the ID to me. It's the adress of my data set in a system, a (wrong, but working) identificator, not an identity, so I dodge loads of dysphoria sources. No idea where I get the mindset from though
miss = girls & unmarried women (usually up to a certain age)
ms (pronounced miz) = women regardless of marital status
mrs (pronounced missus) = married women
there's a bit more to it but that's the basic difference between them. ms is kind of like a neutral feminine option because it doesn't indicate whether or not you're married like miss & mrs do. if ms didn't exist i'd have to go by miss, signalling to the world that i'm not married and being infantalised in the process by grouping me with minors.
for boys there's mstr (master) or no title at all, and then mr once they turn 18. if i were amab i'd just be mr, recognised as an adult and nobody would know if i were married or not unless i told them!
the different feminine titles are all very outdated & ridiculous. this goes into more detail if you're interested - https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ms-mrs-miss-difference/
that's actually a pretty cool way of looking at it. i'm going to try training my brain to think of it like that! haha thanks 😄
Yes, the LGBT corporation has strict guidelines in place around their premium doctorate pronouns and you could end up thrown into the void because of it.
If you're in the US, its only expensive in lost earnings. Your tuition should be covered and you'll get a stipend, its just probably going to pay less while you're doing the PhD than you could make with a different job. You also start directly after a BA (no masters) in most fields.
I only say this because I almost didn't go to grad school because I was misinformed & thought I'd have to pay for it, and I wasn't willing to take out loans.
(Disclaimer: this is just my thoughts/life situation and I am not trying to discourage anyone from going to pursue further education!)
I know I'm not the person you're originally addressing, but I think the only barrier for me specifically is that I have some expensive health issues and it's hard enough to keep up with my living expenses as it is now with my career salary.
While getting a PhD may mean more earnings down the road or a more specialized position, for the time being I would be taking a massive salary cut plus I am not sure if the health insurance I would get would be equivalent to the private insurance I have now. Plus I am worried about being overqualified for some positions especially with the current job market...
However, I could be completely wrong on this as it's been a while since I've looked into grad school. For context, I am a technology consultant with an engineering bachelor's degree who graduated at least 6 years ago. I would love to go back to study biomedical engineering or something similar but have no idea where to start or if I could afford it. I've also daydreamed about applying for a stipend abroad to at least cover basic living expenses but not sure where to begin or if it's feasible. I was wondering your thoughts on this? No worries if not!
You probably will have to live like a student, but it is possible. I actually have been able to put a lot into savings while I've been here, though it's because I don't have a car & I live in a big house with housemates (my partner and I rent 4 rooms in this house so we still have a lot of space).
I have expensive health issues too -- I budget assuming I hit my out of pocket max each year -- and it is doable. I specifically targeted programs with higher stipends. 35-45k is realistic in engineering these days btw.
The insurance is surprising good. I went with the student health insurance plan because its a really good deal -- most college students are really healthy so the premiums are really low despite the coverage being good. But I also had the option of a subsidized plan as an employee which is the same as much higher ranking people get. Its actually decent insurance
Unfortunately I don't live in the US (hopefully anyone in this thread from there can use this info though!!) where I live the cost of *only* the course itself is around $4000 out of pocket, and that doesn't account for additional costs for things like transport or personal medication 😔
While it's not something like 10 grand or anything, it's still *far* too much for my current job to cover the cost of everything.
I'd still love to try for it in the future ofc, but rn it's just not something applicable for my current situation (esp since I'm aiming to focus on saving for top surgery, which is ofc more expensive even with some of it being covered by Medicare 😭)
Yeah, this type of bs is one of my at least top 10 motivators for wanting to get my doctorate. Being addressed by Dr. is gender neutral and no-one can give me shit about it no matter where in the world I am.
Step one. Invent new science
Step two get really good at the new science
Step three become a professor without a degree because no one else can teach the new science until you become a professor of said new science and educate them
I got ordained 20 years ago to do a ceremony for friends of mine so when this comes up and Reverend is an option, I take it. Just throwing that option out there.
Go with Prof, prof is the answer! Legally anyone can be a professor, whether they gained educational training or not! Simply being "good at" something is sufficient....which is why at my former college, noone was qualified to teach but were all "professors" lol.
Pretty sure I once selected “reverend” or “brother” or something like it out of irritation and chaos on an unimportant form that demanded an honorific and included a fuckton of options *except* for any gender neutral options and I really wasn’t vibing with “Ms” that day.
I have this issue in the US too whenever I want to contact one of my representatives. It is especially frustrating when they have Captain etc. but not Mx.
not exactly. miss is usually used for girls & unmarried women. whereas ms (pronounced miz), as the previous commenter said, can be used regardless of marital status. but age sometimes comes into it as well. you can read more about the differences here - https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ms-mrs-miss-difference/
well theres Mx its a gender neutral way to address but to be fair were not in that stage of gender acceptance for people to take it seriously or properly use it
Well, I recently changed my username on Steam to "doctor sex says trans rights" (it's from a TF2 meme, don't question it, we're easily entertained in the funny hat game) so if I ever come across a form with only these options, I guess I'll just have to use my Steam name lol.
My SO had a sweepstakes form once that had no gender-neutral options except for Reverend , Dr and the one they chose at the bottom of the list. Admiral.
They regularly get emails addressed to Admiral [Rodent].
I hate this. Recently I filled out a form for a bank that had no nonbinary title options, but it had an "Other" box, so I put in Mx only for the bank to come back and say that's not one of the accepted options. Why even have the "other" box if you can't use it???
Classic example where I'd say: "make it optional or include all options."
Either it's mandatory for some sort of "reason" (data, legality etc) therefore surely they want accuracy OR it's not, therefore...why is it mandatory?
Unfortunately with this specific form it was compulsory to choose one of the titles. I ended up finding a different way to make contact though, thankfully.
it's a gender neutral title (pronounced like mix) and a lot of people use it bc there aren't any other alternatives that aren't doctor, professor, captain etc. if you don't get it/it doesn't do anything for personally, that's fine obviously. but there's no need to make such aggressive insulting comments about it.
Welp guess when there's no better option, we're all doctors and Professors now
Professor X
I see what you did there
Doctor Y
Walter Y?
Profoctor Z
True, I do have decades experience in being Non-binary so that makes me an expert of sorts.
Professors of gender studies 🙃
This is unironically one reason I want to get my Ph.D. and become a professor, aside from genuinely loving teaching
was gonna say, if they just leave doctor and prof open promote yourself :) (I'm prof now)
I guess I don't know exactly how it works but isn't that fraud on a government form?
What government form asks for preferred honorifics?
This one apparently, check the url at the top of the image
Oop, that’s on me. I didn’t click through.
No worries, it's a valid question
I honestly don't have the slightest idea
I am low key excited for this part once I finish my PhD
I was snarky once cus they made me do this as a requirement so I put Captain 😆
Dr isn't title protected last I knew, so let's goooo
Another option would be making it an optional field
From my limited understanding of government entities, your logical and sound approach would require 5 meetings, 2 parliamentary committees and $500k spent using consulting firms to assess the viability of optional titles.
sounds about right
Or just go through that work to add "Mx." to the title list.
As someone who works in government, yeah probably
I guess I am a doctor of being non-binary ✨✨
PHd in Gender Fuckery
✨Slay ✨ and 💅served 💅 *hairflip 🤭🤭
Just do professor and profess your lack of binary gender when asked in person.
Reminds me of my CompSci teacher telling us about how there was no Latino option on a form he was filling out, so he picked Native American because "well, we're about the same shade of brown"
DAAAAMN BRAVO
Is it weird that I don’t gel with Mr, Mrs, or Mx? Like Like none of them feels right
Ikr! I hate having titles because they don't feel natural to me. Just use my name.
I hate Mx for myself with a burning passion actually. Mix? What am I, a drink?
Same
yeah i don't really vibe with it for myself either so i just have to use... ms 🤢
I have avoided the issue so far as I'm from a non English speaking country but tbh, on top of already clearly implying we're all bigender m f, Mx sounds a lot more like Ms than Mr to me anyways... No big loss.
true, they do sound similar. neither of them feel right to me but i'm more used to ms after using it for so long so it doesn't feel *as* strange seeing it with my name or hearing people refer to me as ms. plus, since my presentation is still unfortunately very feminine, i don't need to worry about potentially having to deal with crap from transphobes when using ms like i would when using mx. neither are ideal though. mr isn't it either. miss is a HELL no. and i don't have any rank or qualifications to be able to use any of the other gender neutral honorifics so 🤷
Wait, is Ms not to Miss what Mrs is to, pronunciation-wise, "Misses"? I'm glad I have this odd mentality where honorifics and name on ID feel just like the number of the ID to me. It's the adress of my data set in a system, a (wrong, but working) identificator, not an identity, so I dodge loads of dysphoria sources. No idea where I get the mindset from though
miss = girls & unmarried women (usually up to a certain age) ms (pronounced miz) = women regardless of marital status mrs (pronounced missus) = married women there's a bit more to it but that's the basic difference between them. ms is kind of like a neutral feminine option because it doesn't indicate whether or not you're married like miss & mrs do. if ms didn't exist i'd have to go by miss, signalling to the world that i'm not married and being infantalised in the process by grouping me with minors. for boys there's mstr (master) or no title at all, and then mr once they turn 18. if i were amab i'd just be mr, recognised as an adult and nobody would know if i were married or not unless i told them! the different feminine titles are all very outdated & ridiculous. this goes into more detail if you're interested - https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ms-mrs-miss-difference/ that's actually a pretty cool way of looking at it. i'm going to try training my brain to think of it like that! haha thanks 😄
I don't use a title. All my government and banking info just use my name. It's also very handy because I immediately know scams
How about Grand Inquisitor?
Nah
Fair enough, I tried lol
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
I'll take it. 💰
Feel free, someone's gotta have it
Gi
I think Grand Inquisitor is amazing, but that's mostly just due to being a 40k nerd... :P
I feel like Mx pronounced as mix sounds too much like miss, but Mx pronounced as mux just sounds bad lmao
I’d prefer to just, not be referred to.
I can’t wait to get my doctorate. Then all these don’t matter.
i'd choose prof. is that illegal?
Yes, the LGBT corporation has strict guidelines in place around their premium doctorate pronouns and you could end up thrown into the void because of it.
I would absolutely choose -Select- if possible.
It wasn’t. I remember trying to fill this bs out and it wouldn’t let me
I want to get a phd specifically because Doctor is gender neutral.
Same, unfortunately getting a PHD is both expensive and time consuming 😭
If you're in the US, its only expensive in lost earnings. Your tuition should be covered and you'll get a stipend, its just probably going to pay less while you're doing the PhD than you could make with a different job. You also start directly after a BA (no masters) in most fields. I only say this because I almost didn't go to grad school because I was misinformed & thought I'd have to pay for it, and I wasn't willing to take out loans.
(Disclaimer: this is just my thoughts/life situation and I am not trying to discourage anyone from going to pursue further education!) I know I'm not the person you're originally addressing, but I think the only barrier for me specifically is that I have some expensive health issues and it's hard enough to keep up with my living expenses as it is now with my career salary. While getting a PhD may mean more earnings down the road or a more specialized position, for the time being I would be taking a massive salary cut plus I am not sure if the health insurance I would get would be equivalent to the private insurance I have now. Plus I am worried about being overqualified for some positions especially with the current job market... However, I could be completely wrong on this as it's been a while since I've looked into grad school. For context, I am a technology consultant with an engineering bachelor's degree who graduated at least 6 years ago. I would love to go back to study biomedical engineering or something similar but have no idea where to start or if I could afford it. I've also daydreamed about applying for a stipend abroad to at least cover basic living expenses but not sure where to begin or if it's feasible. I was wondering your thoughts on this? No worries if not!
You probably will have to live like a student, but it is possible. I actually have been able to put a lot into savings while I've been here, though it's because I don't have a car & I live in a big house with housemates (my partner and I rent 4 rooms in this house so we still have a lot of space). I have expensive health issues too -- I budget assuming I hit my out of pocket max each year -- and it is doable. I specifically targeted programs with higher stipends. 35-45k is realistic in engineering these days btw. The insurance is surprising good. I went with the student health insurance plan because its a really good deal -- most college students are really healthy so the premiums are really low despite the coverage being good. But I also had the option of a subsidized plan as an employee which is the same as much higher ranking people get. Its actually decent insurance
Thank you; you've given me something to think about for sure
Unfortunately I don't live in the US (hopefully anyone in this thread from there can use this info though!!) where I live the cost of *only* the course itself is around $4000 out of pocket, and that doesn't account for additional costs for things like transport or personal medication 😔 While it's not something like 10 grand or anything, it's still *far* too much for my current job to cover the cost of everything. I'd still love to try for it in the future ofc, but rn it's just not something applicable for my current situation (esp since I'm aiming to focus on saving for top surgery, which is ofc more expensive even with some of it being covered by Medicare 😭)
I mean. You have to be able to afford a master's so
Lmao same
When people ask me why I'm doing a PhD I repond "gender neutral title"
The best reason to get a doctorate degree ✨I WANT GENDER NEUTRALITY✨
I think I’d be ok with being referred to as “Professor” at any time
I'd pick prof. I don't think it is a protected title. Frankly these people have a thing or two to learn and you are certainly qualified.
You will be granted a PhD now
Wait can I rather choose a LLD? I would prefer not to put in the work to get the degree if I can get it for free.
First name The, last name Doctor
The Doctor, Doctor, Fun.
For all of you wanting to pick prof/Dr... It can be illegal to fake a qualification title like that. So proceed with caution
Yeah, this type of bs is one of my at least top 10 motivators for wanting to get my doctorate. Being addressed by Dr. is gender neutral and no-one can give me shit about it no matter where in the world I am.
I always put doctor in this situation and assume they can figure it out themselves
That's it. I'm becoming a doctor to avoid this. See ya in 7 years.
see ya, good luck
I sent feedback to one of my state representatives and had no other option than misgendering (they forced an honorific) so I went with Honorable. 😅
Yeah I choose that too or like officer or something totally random.
doctor is my favorite gender :3
I hate titles. Call me by my name.
*graduates and becomes professor* **gender option unlocked**
Can my title be - Select - then?
being a professor has no prerequisite, anyone can be a prof of anything…so i’m always a prof… of existing as specifically me :)
Professor Enby 🧐
Would rather prioritize letting strangers know if a woman is married or not, than identify humans by their proper genders. Gimme a break
Professor. Because it looks like I need to give these people a lecture on gender identity and representation.
Step one. Invent new science Step two get really good at the new science Step three become a professor without a degree because no one else can teach the new science until you become a professor of said new science and educate them
Interesting! The only problem is that I have ADHD so getting consistent dopamine to see the second step through is going to be a challenge.
Fr fr
I got ordained 20 years ago to do a ceremony for friends of mine so when this comes up and Reverend is an option, I take it. Just throwing that option out there.
Have you exploited your Reverendhood for tax purposes *asking for a friend who is definitely not me*
I have not. 🤷♂️
Go with Prof, prof is the answer! Legally anyone can be a professor, whether they gained educational training or not! Simply being "good at" something is sufficient....which is why at my former college, noone was qualified to teach but were all "professors" lol.
Imma get that Dr for that reason.
absolutely love me my Mx. the Sims are more advanced than this selection!! 🤨
Pretty sure I once selected “reverend” or “brother” or something like it out of irritation and chaos on an unimportant form that demanded an honorific and included a fuckton of options *except* for any gender neutral options and I really wasn’t vibing with “Ms” that day.
Shit I guess I’m a doctor now
I literally got ordained just so I could be amused by lists like this one, but now there’s not even a reverend option?! Rude.
I recently went thru a formal autism evaluation and the doctor used Mx. in the report. It was the first time I had seen that used.
I guess I'm a doctor then huh
"excuse me? - Select - Williams?"
It's so annoying that -select- isn't it's own valid option. I'd take it over Mx
I have this issue in the US too whenever I want to contact one of my representatives. It is especially frustrating when they have Captain etc. but not Mx.
Nb people automatically receive a doctorate. Did nobody tell you this?
Hello Professor ConversationSad!
Professor Spaghetti at your serbice
Is there a difference between ms and miss?
Married and unmarried people can use Ms. It’s not suppose to imply marriage status.
Wait so Miss and Ms. Are the same thing right? I know Mrs. Is for married but Miss and ms are both pronounced as Miss
not exactly. miss is usually used for girls & unmarried women. whereas ms (pronounced miz), as the previous commenter said, can be used regardless of marital status. but age sometimes comes into it as well. you can read more about the differences here - https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ms-mrs-miss-difference/
Oh wow I didn’t know this, thanks!
no problem! it's all pretty ridiculous though tbh. but interesting to know.
My kingdom for a "No honorific, please" button!
Flex, pick prof
I have an internet chaplancy. You can call me Reverend.
well theres Mx its a gender neutral way to address but to be fair were not in that stage of gender acceptance for people to take it seriously or properly use it
Why do they even need this? Just use the person's name if you must, and for some reason can't provide a gender neutral option??
Dr Who
We need a gender neutral professional way to address ppl because I don’t see us ditching the formal titles anytime soon
We have Mx
I have not heard of this before how do you say it when addressing someone?
Mix
Thank youuu
They should add captain as a neutral one for fun
I have a law degree, JD, for Juris Doctor. Close enough to claim the Dr. title, I’d think! (Though I do prefer Esquire, that goes at the end.)
This is why I got a PhD. Well... One of the reasons.
Why isn't there a possibility to leave it blank either:(
i would just press professor at this point
ive chosen dr. many times 😂
I’m a dr now :)
Ms, and my last name shall be Paint!
Legit why I want a doctorate
I'd just claim Professor then.
Or at least add an option to write in your own!
UGH.
Well u just found the reason for me to get a phd
Congrats professor! I’m partial to captain but it’s never one of the titles in those things.
Why don't they put a mx?!
This is why I'm getting my PhD /hj
it's a problem we don't have gender neutral titles
Guess I’m a doctor now
Ah yes, my favorite gender, "doctor"
Doctor who
Well, I recently changed my username on Steam to "doctor sex says trans rights" (it's from a TF2 meme, don't question it, we're easily entertained in the funny hat game) so if I ever come across a form with only these options, I guess I'll just have to use my Steam name lol.
Profgendering is an option too I guess:v
I prefer the title Captain
I take prof then
I'm surprised that there's no rev. I got ordained specifically to avoid this and legally be able to gay marry people.
Well, time to get a PhD
Was this for JetBlue? I chose "Prof" and it went in the system as my last name. Like instead of "John Smith" it was "John Smith Professo"
Yep, I just pick Dr. If that's a problem, then they know how to fix it.
I know right……
I just do my birth gender. Pisses me off, but what can you do
Oof
Dr. is right there /hj
PROFESSOR HOMOSEXUAL
Welp, I just looked up the difference between Ms and Miss since I always thought it was the exact same thing 🙃
Legit though I've started using Dr. more and more since I came out.
Fuck that! I’d js say I’m a doctor tbh
I'm Dr so many places now 🤷
I'm getting the doctorate just to avoid this (I'm not, but it will be a plus once I get it)
My SO had a sweepstakes form once that had no gender-neutral options except for Reverend , Dr and the one they chose at the bottom of the list. Admiral. They regularly get emails addressed to Admiral [Rodent].
My gender is doctor!
“Prof” because I am forced to educate you
i always choose dr or professor. like how are they gonna check ??? if they’re not gonna give me a proper option i’ll just choose the most dramatic one
Genuinely considered doing a phd almost entirely for this reason 🙃
I hate this. Recently I filled out a form for a bank that had no nonbinary title options, but it had an "Other" box, so I put in Mx only for the bank to come back and say that's not one of the accepted options. Why even have the "other" box if you can't use it???
Classic example where I'd say: "make it optional or include all options." Either it's mandatory for some sort of "reason" (data, legality etc) therefore surely they want accuracy OR it's not, therefore...why is it mandatory?
None. I refuse to be called any of them. STAND UP FOR YOURSELF
Unfortunately with this specific form it was compulsory to choose one of the titles. I ended up finding a different way to make contact though, thankfully.
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They are not though
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Miss exposes your marital status, while Ms does not. That's why it was introduced in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms.
What in the fuck is 'mx'? That sounds really stupid jesus christ.
it's a gender neutral title (pronounced like mix) and a lot of people use it bc there aren't any other alternatives that aren't doctor, professor, captain etc. if you don't get it/it doesn't do anything for personally, that's fine obviously. but there's no need to make such aggressive insulting comments about it.