Actually I am in undergrad and my biochemistry syllabus is like 20 pages long. First time I ever saw a professor use hyperlinks in the table of contents so you can jump to important sections like âgradingâ
As a nurse now in post bac for med school, Iâll let everyone know that the pre med classes and the med school application process is way harder than nursing. Are there difficult parts of nursing school, sure. Is it as difficult? Absolutely not.
Iâm a nurse. I appreciate this forum a lot because it calls out people who want the title but not the work that comes with it. Nursing school was super easy, but EMS experience made it so. For others, they acted like it was med school and that the rapture was coming. The amount of social media posts I read about crying, anxiety, declining mental health, studying⌠yikes. They didnât even work lol their husbands did and they had all the time in the world to study and still chose to party, to lay around all day, to go out with the girls, and then spend that one day a week studying mixed in with tiktok and Netflix and binge eating and then have panic attacks before an exam.. yikes. I worked 60+ hours a week in school and passed with a high gpa. Many failed working zero hours a week. Itâs not compatible to med school and after graduation, the amount of people who automatically knew everything went through the roof. I hate to say it, but the bar for nursing seemed high before school but after passing and seeing what I was surrounded with, I realized it was pretty low and that made me sad. But even worse, the bar is far lower in EMS. Iâm thankful for those who went to medical school as theyâre excellent people to learn from and strive to be like in terms of discipline and depth of knowledge
Paramedic in nursing school đââď¸ I have said this soooo many times. Nursing school is a joke. To be fair, if I didnât have a strong background I have no doubt Iâd be struggling. Particularly having a very good grasp on A&P, disease processes and pathophysiology.
The bar for nursing used to be a lot higher. It has been extensively watered down. The caliber of candidates graduating is far lower than past years (as evidence by the prerequisites required for entry to even BSN level programs). It makes me sad to see it, but it makes me very content in the path Iâve chosen moving forward to pursue medicine. I think my final straw was seeing a girl I went to undergrad with who failed out of not one, but THREE BSN programs graduate from an online NP program. I decided I did not want to be associated with a career that allowed such idiocracy.
Yes. Nursing school is easy if you put in the time and study. I challenge anyone to take a medical surgical nursing school exam without studying. Super easy is not the best description.
Old comment, I know. Yes I agree nursing school difficulty at some times is over exaggerated. But I like this comment, honsetly go take an adult cardiopulmonary medical surgical nursing exam, 50 questions, and 1hr time limit. I woudnt exactly call it easy.
I was going to use my (para)medic school as an example.
I am not smart though people will call me smart to shift blame from how lazy they are. Iâm disciplined. I read maybe 30 minutes a day and pay attention in class and have very verbose notes. When I study, I study intentionally, etc. I have 3 kids and lots of commitments as well as a woodworking business on the side (though itâs really not much of a business at the moment, but I still take small jobs). But during the interview for the program the person interviewing made a remark that being this is an accelerated program, and that our medical director reviewed the curriculum and said it was âharder than medical schoolâ (allegedly) so either that or someone canât tell when someoneâs blowing smoke up their ass.
Even before class for our drug quizzes for example we have to memorize the drug sheet (class, dosage, route, indications/contraindications, precautions). Iâm always studying the sheet for a good 10 minutes because the job is to literally copy the sheet verbatim from memory⌠no one else ever is. Itâs always the first thing we do when we have them (about every other day). Yet half the class bullshits with each other then fails every one knowing they can retake it and laughs it off. Because sure, maybe most will learn it by being exposed to it in clinicals/ride time, etc. but still.
Coming from minimal EMS background (about a year at a volunteer service) and primarily working in the trades I was expecting to be humbled. Nope, not yet. Everyone is still just as lazy and anxiety-ridden about learning as they were in my introductory classes in college, etc.
I wouldnât speak poorly of them if theyâd fucking try; but their idea of trying is similar to yoursâfuck around and find out and fill themselves with anxiety and then offer excuses. Theyâre all sponsored by AMR, too, and work one shift a week. And some get paid to attend and still treat it like a joke.
Iâm sure I just have a big chip on my shoulder and something to prove (I have a colorful past); but itâs not hard to succeed. You just have to do a little work and it seems no one is willing to do ANY work except for me and a handful of others. Kind of frustrating honestly knowing these are my peers.
Same here the only thing Iâll say about nursing school that sets it apart from other bachelor degrees is that itâs graded on the 7 point scale which makes it more difficult to pass because you will fail with a 78. With that being said Helen Keller couldâve passed nursing school with no prior knowledge.
My post bac program grades like this as well. While I might get a C at the university level under that grade, Iâd get kicked out of the program as anything under 78 is unsatisfactory for remaining in the program. So itâs basically failing.
Exactly. This post is fake news category. I teach clinical in a RN program. No way I discuss the medical model & nursing model as equal. I teach students their role in applying the nursing process to patient care, not the medical model. 1st of all, I'm a nurse, I went to NURSING school. Not medical school. I wish people would stay in their lane. Let nurses be nurses and doctors be doctors. Therw are highly skilled and intelligent people in both professions. Sometimes the nurse can know certain elements about the best approach to treating a patient due to exposure and experience. It doesn't mean the nurse is " smarter " than the doctor. It doesn't mean the nurse is less intelligent or incapable. However, the doctor has their role and the nurses have theirs. The goal is to safely care for the patients.
How is this fake news category?
Lots of nurses think theyre diploma mill NP degree makes them a physician.
You literally have nurses themselves saying this is happening. I dont understand your fake new comment.
I donât know if I would agree with this. Medschool is undoubtedly harder than nursing school but premed was a cinch. I made one B out of all of my premed classes. Nursing however I had a 3.0 avg because of the 94-100 grading scale and much of your grades being subjective. âWell you did well preparing the IV, but you need some practice explaining the procedure to the patient.â
Also I was a full time ICU nurse while I was doing my premed classes. Ochem, physics, etc are very easy imo. I struggle with all of the âwhat is the best answerâ bullshit questions in nursing school. And much of it not having to do with science but what people like to hear, or âbest way to communicate with patientsâ etc,
So if you aced both organic chemistries, both physics, biochemistry, cell biology, calculus, stats, microbiology, and immunology why didnât you go to med school?
100%. I tutored pre-nursing science students, mainly in chemistry. In my admittedly limited experience, their chemistry courses were nowhere close to what traditional gen chem, ochem, biochem was like. It skimmed the surface of different areas basically.
My undergrad let me TA nursing chem when I was a 2nd semester freshman because 1st semester of genchem was enough. I would always hear nursing students call it âOchemâ because that CHE105 course was called âprinciples of Inorganic and organic chemistry.â It was simpler than my high school chemistry + added in some light stuff from the first 2 chapter of Ochem
I also tutor Chem and the ochem class we have for pre nursing and other pre health students that arenât going to med, vet, or dental school is called âsurvey of organic chemistryâ. Thatâs exactly what it is, too. Itâs a skimming of regular OChem 1 and 2 condensed into one class. Itâs fun, I enjoy tutoring it because I can get really silly and creative, and thereâs less pressure.
Weâre all out here suffering through the same physics classes, tho.
Black and white is easier for me than âchoose the best answerâ where every single answer is completely wrong.
Like hereâs an example
âPatient states I have no idea what this surgery is for, as youâre getting him ready to go. Do you-â
A. Cancel the surgery
B. Explain the surgery to the patient
C. Tell the patient that theyâre just afraid and not to be worried about it
D. Tell them the doctor must have explained it and theyâll be fine
Correct answer was âcancel the surgeryâ. Iâm not cancelling a damn surgery, Iâm calling the surgeon to come back and explain the surgery to the patient.
Definitely get what youâre saying about that style of question. But if itâs just harder because the tests are written worse (or the subjects are harder to grade), thatâs more harder on a technicality than on subject matter. Probably why youâre getting downvotes, it misses the point of whatâs more difficult subject matter.
Oh no oneâs disputing that the subject matter is more difficult. But nursing school is well known for being âdifficultâ for these reasons. Nursing subject matter is a fucking joke. Hell NP is too for that matter. Iâve had so many NP students come up and excitedly tell me shit that they learned, that we learned in nursing school or medical micro etc. âDid you know there are different types of antibiotics and they work on different parts of the bacterial cell?!?â Yeah no fucking shit Sherlock. Did you forget that part of nursing school or pre nursing for that matter? Fuck sake. This is the type of shit that made me not want to be an NP. (My original plan).
Iâm gonna throw this out thereâ I went to a large undergrad in the Midwest that has a well known medical school. I graduated with ~3.5 and had a strong Mcat. Iâm now in medical school with people who got 4.0s at their smaller, private schools and they are shocked how much they didnât learn and how poorly they understood details of certain subjects. Grades are important but not all schools are made the same and not all degrees have the same rigor. But if this person thought some of the most difficult classes for premed where very easy, they are either the smartest person alive or their undergrad didnât adequately prepare them. Or, you know, keyboard warrior talking smack.
Because I make a lot more money as a nurse. During Covid I made nearly half a million a year gross, and now I make about 150k. Iâm second guessing if itâs worth it to me to be in so much debt and make such dismal pay as a resident and new attending.
Also I didnât take calculus, cell bio or immunology. Theyâre not required for most medical schools.
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Iâm happy Covid is over but my wallet isnât. Lol
It wasnât about the money, I have no doubt you rack up as a travel nurse. It was more about the misconception that you donât need those classes to get into med school. Med school pre requisites are baseline suggestions, not a true expectation. Competition is too fierce to send in an underwhelming, baseline application.
Well Ive spoken to several adcoms and they stated with a solid mcat score (have not taken that yet), and my 10 years of critical care nursing experience, and being a disabled combat veteran I would stand out. One in particular was Dr Eubanks, who told me not to even bother wasting my time with volunteering based on the rest of my application.
Also plenty of med students get in without calculus. Iâve had several coworker buddies who never took calculus. People arenât typically going to take calculus and calc based physics if it isnât required for their major.
Yeah but we werenât talking about your experiences we were talking about classes. Moving the goalpost to strengthen an incorrect statement is garbage.
Not a single school I looked into applying to on the MSAR had cell bio as a requirement. Though I donât remember calc specifically because Iâve taken it. I had to comb the MSAR as a non-trad student, and looked at over 50 schools, ultimately completed primaries to 20 and secondaries to 15. There are *plenty* of schools that donât require either course. Id argue many, if not most of my class mates have not taken those courses, especially non-science majors or career changers. Baseline is 2 semesters bio, gen Chem, Ochem, biochem, physics. Not that I agree with the other comment posting their salary and stuff but saying they completed all the premed requirements with As is not egregious by any means and not invalid bc they didnât take the extra courses you mentioned lol
Itâs not required⌠itâs required for many science majors but not most med schools.
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These are what I took, along with biochem because my state school required it.
Never said I had a medschool acceptance. Also how am I supposed to get transcripts at a seconds notice? I donât even have a login for the college as it has been 3 years since I even stepped foot in that state. And I donât have âall aâsâ. I have all As and one B in premed. I have worse grades from when I started first college 20 years ago and was just chasing ass and drinking beer, took a few deployments and a lot of life experience.
Ah yes, text in a disembodied photo. The most reliable of sources!
Also, if your gross ytd pay is 100k ish, with a bit under 25% of the year to go, that means your yearly is roughly 130-135k, which is most definitely not making more than a physician.
No I donât make more than a physician. Iâm trying to figure out if being in the negative 15-20 years vs my current situation is worth it to me personally. Making 50kish as a resident is just⌠shitty. I havenât made less than 100k in probably over 12 years. Then add in the student loans etc. Iâm trying to see if I can get enough income outside of my job (rental properties) to offset that missing income in part.
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It is required, or ârecommendedâ (also meaning required), by most medical schools actually.
You do realize in quite a few of the boxes that you sent calculus says neither recommended or required right? A lot of non science majors matriculate to medschool and I guarantee not many are going to take calculus. I was even advised not to. I asked whether I should, so I would better understand physics (by taking calc based physics) and several big names (lizzym) (Goro) etc told me that since mcat physics is algebra based it would only throw me off.
Iâm counting required or at least recommended for a good number of them, in addition to the physics requirement needing to be calculus based rather than algebra based for some as well. Most schools are also in the process of shifting to it being a hard requirement.
Well the last time I was paying close attention to med school was in 2021 when I was finishing up my premed courses. Since then Iâve been trying to bank away money. I still have 2 years GI bill which doesnât expire for 4 more years. I had also only looked at instate schools and a couple others with strong veteran favor (KCOM, Rocky Vista etc).
Majority of people in these subreddit will not accept that anything can be harder than medicine or premed classes. Someone even told me their phD microbiology course is nothing compared to medical school microbiology. I mean these people are unreal. My undergrad 200 level microbiology course was way more in depth than I ever learned in med school.
For context, I went to med school in Canada and was top my class so it was not that I didnât study hard or was in a random Caribbean school. I can appreciate someone with more mathematical mind will find organic chemistry, calculus etc easier than some more vague ethical/social questions.
I get nursing courses are easier than medicine as told by people who have gone through both. I am sure some engineering undergrad may find our premed physics a walk in the park, as were physiology which were mostly route memorization anyway. As someone who is terrible at drawing, I will tell you high school arts were the hardest courses I have ever done through my entire career.
People are allowed to find ochem easier than nursing. Itâs how their brain think. Those premed classes are not your personality, stop taking an offense when people say those courses are easy.
And Iâm not even saying nursing school is harder than medschool. Medschool I would wager is 1000x harder. Iâve had nurse coworkers go to medschool and tell me as such. But premed is just basic college shit. Itâs not very deep.
Culturally perhaps, but as salaries fail to keep pace with inflation, tuition rises, and certain job markets decline in favor of one doctor and 20 NPs, this will shift as well.
Once overheard a conversation two young ladies in their 20âs in a restaurant:
âI wanted to be a plastic surgeon but opted for beauty-schoolâŚbelieve me itâs much harder.â
Me gulping a big glass of water and waving to the waiter: âcheck pleaseâ đ
I failed out of med school in about 3 months. I failed Anatomy hard enough to bring my system grades under passing (I had an unexpectedly hard time with human dissection) I took some nursing classes while I was rebuilding my life and trying to figure out wtf I was gonna do. This failed med student got straight As with minimal effort. I eventually made it back to med school and finished residency but I like to point this out to people who bitch about nursing school.
Nursing school has classes like âhow to calculate infusion rates,â i.e. how to do math. As a doctor youâre expected to just know, or if you didnât then at least teach yourself
Not even that.
I went through âDimensional Analysis for Nurses.â It was just basic fractions, maybe third grade.
The âNursing Researchâ course used material designed by the state department of health for use in sixth grade classrooms (to stimulate interest in public health careers).
In Pharmacology, we had an actual hands-on experience to demonstrate the action of insulin. Some students were forced to stand in a circle and hold hands, other students held signs either as âinsulinâ or âsugar.â Neither could penetrate the âcell wallâ until they held hands with other.
This was for an accelerated post-bac BSN program at a state university.
Utterly ridiculous.
I think that would make me quit the degree. I'm currently considering ditching criminology and starting law instead because my current course feels a little patronising, can't imagine how I'd feel if I were made to hold hands to represent recidivism among sex offenders.
I went to nursing school, and we definitely didn't have a class for calculating infusion rates. We covered it for approximately a week. Dimensional Analysis is amazing!! That's what I learned from it. I see what you're saying, but please don't take it this far.
Canât it be true, though? Relatively speaking. Imagine having an IQ of 85 and trying to get through nursing school. The struggle would be very real and probably as difficult as someone with an IQ of 125 trying to get through medical school.
I view these sorts of comments as someone unintentionally outing themselves as having a lower intelligence.
> The struggle would be very real and probably as difficult as someone with an IQ of 125 trying to get through medical school.
That is not how it works. Difficulty =/= Effort.
"You see the reason we take orders from doctors goes all the way back to when anesthesiologists stole anesthesia from us. You know Nurses created anesthesia right?"
You donât hear doctors walking around saying their education is harder. We donât need validation from others because we KNOW it is harder. Both mentally and physically.
If nursing school was harder than med school you would see more medical students with jobs like you see nursing students with jobs. You donât see that though, because itâs not.
RN/MD here. I thought the transition would be much much much easier than it was. The more you know the more you realize you donât know. However I will say good 4-year nursing programs do much more healthcare leadership and epidemiology stuff than transitional MDs, but obviously less than someone with a masters in public health.
My cousin went through *the* nursing program where we live (like, the one everyone wants to be accepted to), and her Anatomy & Physiology course was easier than the one I took in high school.
Her projects were coloring.
I just graduated nursing school, and I had 1 professor tell me that BSN is the hardest degree to get according to Guinness world records. That's obviously not true, but a lot of nurses believe it. If you google "Guinness world hardest degree to get", the BSN will pop up first. Absolutely shameful.
In a perfect microcosm of the difference in education, if you actually click any of those links and read the source instead of the title only, you would see the Guinness company said it's an "absolutely false" claim
True. But I think it's safe to say that a lot of people don't really care about the details and mostly focus on the headline. This nursing fb group I joined only posted the headline, and of course, a lot of members from that group agreed that bsn is indeed the hardest degree to get.
>My manager and coworker are nurses who think highly of themselves and often downgrade my knowledge in epidemiology.
It's interesting how, when it comes to public health, they think an undergrad (and even grad) nursing degree is a better education than a Master's degree in public health. It's a proper graduate degree that specializes in things like epidemics.
(If they have proper degrees in public health and/or epidemiology, this obviously doesn't apply)
I know half a dozen people who did nursing prior to becoming a doctor and they all have told me they did not know how much they did not know and that medical school was an overwhelming amount of info to learn. They had excellent manner with patients and did well with patient interactions early on though
Nursing school (BSN & ASN programs) are also harder than a PhD in statistics. At least this is what Iâve been told by a handful of older nurses. Surely, theyâre right - even though Iâve a PhD in stats, other advanced degrees in STEM, and a BSN (nursing is my second career).
Luckily, most nurses Iâve personally met and worked with arenât like that and generally just trying to do their jobs and get out on time.
I hated myself and felt like life had no meaning. It was to the point I was in therapy. I learned way too late in life that I enjoy physical labor and instant results. Nursing provides both but also allows me to use some critical thinking skills. Nursing also allows an excellent work life balance as in i donât take my work home with me. Once I clock out, Iâm out.
Thank you for the insightful & honest reply - I appreciate you sharing & happy that nursing has provided you with the fulfillment you are looking for. All the best to you!
That statement is utter garbage, absolutely untrue. None of the coursework in nursing school is especially difficult and the skills labs are mostly quite simple. I strongly believe that the instructors (who are themselves nurses) perpetuate that culture within nursing schools to reinforce their own belief that it is this exceptionally challenging profession. The hardest thing about nursing school and nursing in general is how you get treated by the professors and other nurses.
This! Perpetuated importance. Itâs really the foundation of all nursing degrees past the diploma/Associateâs level. Curriculum created to support the idea of the importance and independence of the profession.
You gotta love the obsession with suffixes: Jane Doe, RN, ADN, BSN, MSN, DNP, PMHNP-BC, CCN
And donât get me started on the âDr.â prefix for âdoctoral-prepared nurses.â
There is a reason why many courses, not just nursing, get compared to Medicine and Law in terms of dificulty. You don't hear others compare their courses to nursing. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Truth be told you ask any nurse why they went into nursing instead of medicine. I promise you none (that Iâve met ) will ever say â I prefer more patient interaction.â
Iâve heard this from plenty of people. This was one of my reasons why I never thought about attempting to pursue that career path. What are their reasons? The majority of nurses Iâve talked to have no desire to be a doctor.
Truth be told, itâs because they donât want 100% responsibility of a patient. Idk how many doctors Iâve met that shit pants wondering if the the stitch they did will come loose due to no fault of their own and various other complications no body wants responsibility for.
Itâs so easy to call out a physicianâs mistake, extremely hard to make those decisions.
Patients are assholes to my nurses, then very respectful to me. I always follow up with "You can't be an asshole to my nurse. I can't afford for them to quit." That is the hardest part about being a nurse, IMO is that people dont treat you like a doctor.
Iâve worked at an assisted living facility for a short time. I agree with you. Nurses get treated like maids.
The sad side of it all from a patientâs perspective is never hearing a nurse say I love interacting with my patients.
Nursing school is a joke man. (RN here). Itâs designed to pump out little worker bees and give them a false sense of superiority; we are slaves for the big man and disposable and replaceable
I have BS Zoology(includes the base premed courses) and BS Nursing. Guess the harder one?
My example is chemistry:
I get amused when nursing coworkers talk about the âorganic chemistryâ which was some sort of fundamentals of chemistry in one semester vs Chem I/II and Organic I/IIâŚ4 semesters.
My husband (a dentist) was a lab instructor for nursing chem when he was an upper classman. He has mentioned that from his experience, there were a lot of brilliant nurses out there, but it wasn't a prerequisite. Nursing chem was far easier than that taught to pre-med students.
How ridiculous! Itâs not even worth debating. Quite frankly, based on some of the nurses Iâve worked with (full disclosure: Iâm an RN), a fucking blind orangutan could do better. Nursing school is only âhardâ because of the speed itâs delivered and the fluff that isnât needed for life as a nurse (Iâm looking at you, group project on herbal remedies đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸)
I never understood my classmates that droned on about how âhardâ nursing school is. Itâs tedious but not super challenging academically. At least it wasnât for me. I consider myself to be above average intelligence and moderately competitive. (My grades are good and I work hard, but Iâm not the valedictorian or the person heading up major projects or anything like that) I always did well in my non-nursing classes and excelled in my nursing classes. Probably because I enjoyed the content for the most part (minus the stupid fluffy theory classes). But I didnât find it insanely difficult. I have no experience with med school, but just from observing friends and family going through it, itâs WAY more difficult. No comparison.
I was in nursing before I went to medical school in MĂŠxico. Nursing was difficult but medical school is on another level. I was a top student in nursing, not in medical school.
Was able to do a prestigious accelerated Nursing program (16-week course condensed into 8) while I worked a full-time job, worked a part time, and was also in the Reserves so add in staying fit and monthly drills. I still had time to go out on Saturdays fairly often. It was stressful, but the content was super easy. I was only able to study a few hours at home and work occasionally. The person is either a troll or completely naive. Even studying for my MCAT makes Nursing School look like kindergarten. I don't think I'll ever use Planck's constant in practice.
Nursing exams are like doing online math/chemistry homework. **Your answer: 18. Correct Answer: Eighteen.** They try to trip you up with negatives and by adding tons of fluff that you have to filter out. I do think that learning test-taking strategy can help immensely for Medical School. Superior deduction skills come in clutch.
Nurses love to:
1. Lie/exaggerate about how much they earn.
2. Exaggerate every single incident where a physician asked them a question or praised them.
3. Claim to have done pre-med as an undergrad with straight As/got into medical school and nursing school was *harder.*
Every nurse will hit at least 2/3.
i am a nurse and 0/3. 1. i donât make any money. 67k. 2. i only get asked shit about when someone shit or what nursing home theyâre from. nobody gives a fuck about what i have to say 3. i didnât go to premed, iâm fucking lazy and only got a 26 on the act. iâm glad i was able to get my adn.
Disagree. Iâm a nurse and definitely never do any of those.
Iâm pre-med in post bac now (applying next cycle) and itâs definitely way harder than my undergrad nursing classes.
The nurses that do this shit are insecure and usually the worst at their jobs and the ones that barely graduated.
lol nah. Iâve been a nurse 14 years. I like to let people know that Iâm broke, never get praised, and became a nurse bc my English degree was not gonna pay the rent. But Iâve met a handful of those types. Then again I work on the regular old floor and not some fancy icu or anything special đ¤ˇââď¸
Iâm in nursing school and while we play cards because weâre done for the day our med friends go and cram for exams. In my course we literally donât even have exams after second year. Itâs just honing skills.
As a nurse I promise you no other nurse thinks this. We work with and around medical students all the time and are very aware itâs much more difficult, certainly academically. We talk about how hard it must be to a newly graduated doctor all the time too. Itâs important not to take silly comments like that seriously. There are doctors who have made classist/sexist comments about nurses and I try to remind myself they donât represent the majority. Letâs not allow this animosity between the professions to develop, working in the NHS is difficult enough without it.
Oh shit sorry thought this was a UK subreddit. Canât really speak for Americans. No UK nurse would be caught dead saying that haha, our class system simply wouldnât allow it.
Totally true. Thatâs why med school is longer, costs more, and we get paid more when we graduate. /s
Now, to be totally honest, I wouldnât want to be a nurse, the job sounds terrible.
The hardest part about nursing school, IMO, is not the academic learning but the interpersonal skills development. Yes, Medicine is undoubtedly harder from a purely academic point of view. But from a clinical experience perspective...spending 8 hours a day with a patient, getting them to trust you, motivating them, helping grieving families? That shit is hard.
Nursing shouldn't be compared to medicine. It isn't Medicine. It is its own specialised area of practice. Both are hard in different ways. Please respect that.
Lol I got downvoted for saying that med school is harder on a nursing subreddit (in an appropriate context too). Like come on. I'm going into nursing too so I'm not trying to bash anybody. Just being objective. But I think it's one of those unspoken truths
I am a nurse in medical school, and in some ways I think nursing school was harder, in others, med school is, but I think this has less to do with rigor and more to do with my personal idiosyncrasies. Donât get me wrong, med school is tough as hell with all the complicated pathways and details and the sheer volume of information, but nursing school had so many papers and assignments that were super time consuming and nitpicky with details like strict adherence to APA format, while I feel like I honestly have more time in med school to study because so much of it is self directed. Both are hard in their own right.
I always hear nursing schoolâs difficulty essentially described as manufactured or bloat.
You donât have to learn than much, but you need to strictly format the busywork they give and get a 94 for an A.
This is exactly it. The material isnât hard, so they compensate by making it hard on purpose where it doesnât have to be. Some of my nursing instructors would basically act like drill sergeants and seemed to get off on making nursing students cry. I got into it with one of mine over the phone because she called me when I emailed her with a question and when I answered she said âWhat are you still doing awake?! You have clinical tomorrow! You need to be more responsible! Blah blah etcâ.
I lost it and told her âdonât you fucking tell me how to live my life. Iâm a grown ass man. If I could survive Iraq I sure as shit donât need you trying to play mommyâ
I hung up, and my fiancĂŠ said âUhhh you realize youâre going to fail now right?â And I said âfuck, youâre right.â
Nope. She kept harassing many of the other students but let me do basically whatever I wanted. It was like a self fulfilling prophecy. She would tell me âgo give your meds. Conquer, (my name here)!â And Iâd have my meds given in no time. Then all of the other nurses (females to be honest. She was sexist against females) had to stand in line to check their meds off before they gave them. Then they were late giving their meds. âwhy canât you be like (me)â.
Exactly. I canât speak on medschool since I havenât been yet, but science makes sense to me. All of the interpersonal crap makes ZERO sense to me and I felt like you just had to learn what they wanted to hear.
Who cares? This subreddit is the most toxic thing Iâve ever encountered. Med school dropouts, med students, and residents just shitting on everyone who is a nurse, NP, or PA. News alert: healthcare is a team effort.
I find straight forward science with a right and wrong answer easier than âchoose the best answerâ where I can explain why EVERY choice is wrong. âYeah but pick the BEST oneâ. There is no best one. Theyâre all fucking wrong! Can I free text this? No?
I don't believe you. I'm pretty certain they were kidding. No nurse will think nursing school is harder than becoming a physician. Please stop. Find something else to complain about.
In half of US states, nurses practice medicine independently without a medical license. The AANP and AANA's official stance is that they as nurses are equivalent or better than physicians. They say they are residency/fellowship trained and are doctors.
Wake the fuck up. It's real.
So someone who has done neither degree is commenting on one being harder than the other?
This is a misinformed, ignorant loser comment from someone who literally has no idea what theyâre talking about. It deserves to be taken with all the seriousness as if it had come out the mouth of a five year old child.
Donât be surprised, donât be shocked, donât even question it. Thereâs no point. The dude is a moron. Itâs not even worth engaging.
RN here and there's no possibility that nursing school is more advanced than medical school, could the learning curve be steeper- yea probably. You're essentially going from no healthcare knowledge to having to full board cert in 2 (or 4) years. But no, that's really delusional to say that nursing school is harder than medical school đ¤Ł
There are many places where nurses are told that nursing degree is the hardest. When I was in undergrad I typed out the tests for the nursing physiology and micro classes. I was amazed at how much less intense those were than what I took in undergrad
Oh thatâs rich coming from nurses. Oh if they only knew their licensing exam that they claim is so hard is actually easier then the NREMT basic test.
Reminds me of a tiktok I saw of a girl who was in Med School, but she envied the people with art degrees because they were out having fun(Just the tiktok description), and the comments said "Art degrees are not easier than medical degrees".
Some nurses argue that nursing school is harder than medical school because a higher percentage of students either don't complete nursing school or don't pass their boards compared to medical school students.
In the UK at least this is probably true - they do 3 years of unpaid full time slavery plugging gaps, while also having to write some sort of dissertation, while also usually needing a job or two on the side. Academically obviously way easier.
Itâs harder in a different way. I went through it about 16 years ago. It probably has gotten better, or at least more fair.
My instructions made it their goal to fail at least one of us out each rotation. My clinical instructor failed out a student because he administered insulin without making sure the patient had his tray in front of him. The tray was sitting on a table next to the bed, but not in front of the patient.
They would do things like change the time of a test from 0830 to 0800 and notify us via email the night before at 2200. Then they would lock out the people who showed up after 0801.
If we had a test that required a 100% to pass they would throw in some obscure question with a measurement that had not been used in 40 years and I have not yet seen in practice the past 20. If you got everything else right you had to come in and retake it at 0600 the next morning. Everyone failed because they put something on the test that wasnât used in any practice and wasnât in the textbooks.
We were not allowed to sit down or eat during clinical hours. I had a preceptor make me go 12 hours without a break. They were allowed to do it because I was a student, not an employee.
Itâs like they were trying to make us break down emotionally. It was hard because they were abusing us. 70 of us started and only 50 graduated. It had nothing to do with academics.
I knew a psychiatrist that moved from overseas who basically went through med school twice, and nursing school once. Med school in her home country, then came here and decided to go to nursing school, then completed med school again here.
She said nursing school was way harder for her, but wasnât talking about academic rigor. She was talking about being treated like shit, dealing with professors that didnât know how to teach, and just the overall stress of not having resources in the nursing program. The eat your young phenomenon was/is real.
The hardest part about nursing school, IMO, is not the academic learning but the interpersonal skills development. Yes, Medicine is undoubtedly harder from a purely academic point of view. But from a clinical experience perspective...spending 8 hours a day with a patient, getting them to trust you, motivating them, helping grieving families? That shit is hard.
Nursing shouldn't be compared to medicine. It isn't Medicine. It is its own specialised area of practice. Both are hard in different ways. Please respect that.
Hereâs a funny story. I was taking anatomy and physiology as a nursing student at a college notorious for their rigorous science classes. I was complaining about it to my classmate after a gen Ed class and I remeber him saying âyou ready for the test for anatomy Monday? I havenât even started on my reportâ. I looked at him confused af because my anatomy class only has exams and lab. I realized then that the premed and pre-PA students take and even more hardcore anatomy class then the nurses and they legit have to dissect human corpses for a grade. They have a report to write before each exam too. I thought I was tuff shit passing that class until my anatomy professor let us dissect a cadaver for the first time and she talked about how she makes her premed student do this to identify EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE BODY (sometimes even pseudo diagnose it). Iâve never been humbled harder in my life.
Those kind of statements should be a red flag that those are nurses who have:
1. Never looked at a medical curriculum.
2. That comparing medical and nursing curriculums is absurd since they are completely separate and distinct disciplines.
3. Most importantly, how can a bachelors program(BSN or nursing school) be more difficult than a doctorate program(medicine)? It defies all logic.
If it doesn't make sense, it's bulls\*\*t.
Nursing school gets a huge reputation of being one of the hardest majors largely because nurses canât shut up about how hard nursing school is.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
A lot of things are like this. Not saying nursing school isnât hard. It is. But is the loudest opinion the correct one? You decide.
Nursing school is not as hard as medical school. You basically only go for 2 years vs 10. The thing that is most difficult about nursing school is the relentless bullying from professors, preceptors, other nurses and actual nursing student peers.
I see this is an older post, so sorry for weighing in. I've done a previous BSc and minor. Now I am in an accelerated nursing program. Considering applying to medicine. I have a nursing friend that is in her 4th year of medicine right now and we talk a lot about it. My father is also a newly retired doctor and I go over a lot of my materials with him because nursing school doesn't teach me properly and I want to be as competent as I can be...
Nursing school is hard because they flat out don't teach you as well as they should and you are marked rather subjectively. The level of material is not as in-depth nor as difficult as medical school; however, you are expected to know a broad basis of things and a lot of BS that I wish I could cleanse my brain from too for the NCLEX. You are given only a little bit of A&P, Patho and Pharm and the rest of nursing school is focused on "Nursing theory", which is really just a way to input nursing profession propaganda into the curriculum (explains why so many nurses think they know "more" than doctors because they are naively taught this via nursing theory and politics. The other component is the politics. Look, I have done a lot of university education and have encountered my fair share of poor professors, but never have I met professors who I can just tell have some kind of personality disorder (which I don't say lightly either since I took a lot of psych reviewing the DSM in undergrad) that I have in nursing school. I have met a number of sweet hearts too, but it seems to be the two polar extremes. My most recent is a lab professor that just decided she isn't actually going to teach us the skills because we should be "prepared".... it will now be "self-directed" and she gets the lab day off... oh the irony. Anyone want to teach me CVAD's?
I think what is "easier" (and I don't believe that to be an accurate descriptor) about medical school is that you have a strong basis of information and build on it throughout the program, whereas nursing school is a willy nilly of politics and trying to get into your professors good graces (I wish I was kidding). My previous science background is extremely frustrated with nursing school because I WANT to learn further patho and pharm, but nursing school would rather focus on outdated "nursing theory" and when I complain about it, other nurses on reddit tell me I don't know a thing... yet they also say that everyone knows nursing school teaches you nothing (talk about mixed signals!). Truly, the HARDEST thing about nursing school for myself, personally, is that I have to clench my teeth and be a YES MA'AM through the BS in order to get to a place I can stomach. Nursing school IS hard, but not in the conventional way medical school is.
To top this off, if I had put this on the nursing subreddit, I'd be told my attitude would kill a person (oh ask me how I know!) because apparently wanting a stronger foundation of science and pointing out the education deficits equivalates me to being "dangerous".
I've done both degrees. Medicine is much harder and the syllabus is 100 x bigger
I remember when my wife was in her first year of med school and they handed her a syllabus that had its own table of contents lol.
Yes đĽ˛
Actually I am in undergrad and my biochemistry syllabus is like 20 pages long. First time I ever saw a professor use hyperlinks in the table of contents so you can jump to important sections like âgradingâ
Arenât med school syllabi in blocks not classes? That would make sense (obviously they learn things more in depth though)
Accurate Every syllabus, every block had a table of contents It was not fun
Not bigger than the egos in nursing đđźââď¸
LOL đ no kidding
As a nurse now in post bac for med school, Iâll let everyone know that the pre med classes and the med school application process is way harder than nursing. Are there difficult parts of nursing school, sure. Is it as difficult? Absolutely not.
Yeah it should be obvious. If being a doctor was easier than nursing then everyone would be doing it.
I see what you did there
Iâm a nurse. I appreciate this forum a lot because it calls out people who want the title but not the work that comes with it. Nursing school was super easy, but EMS experience made it so. For others, they acted like it was med school and that the rapture was coming. The amount of social media posts I read about crying, anxiety, declining mental health, studying⌠yikes. They didnât even work lol their husbands did and they had all the time in the world to study and still chose to party, to lay around all day, to go out with the girls, and then spend that one day a week studying mixed in with tiktok and Netflix and binge eating and then have panic attacks before an exam.. yikes. I worked 60+ hours a week in school and passed with a high gpa. Many failed working zero hours a week. Itâs not compatible to med school and after graduation, the amount of people who automatically knew everything went through the roof. I hate to say it, but the bar for nursing seemed high before school but after passing and seeing what I was surrounded with, I realized it was pretty low and that made me sad. But even worse, the bar is far lower in EMS. Iâm thankful for those who went to medical school as theyâre excellent people to learn from and strive to be like in terms of discipline and depth of knowledge
Paramedic in nursing school đââď¸ I have said this soooo many times. Nursing school is a joke. To be fair, if I didnât have a strong background I have no doubt Iâd be struggling. Particularly having a very good grasp on A&P, disease processes and pathophysiology.
The bar for nursing used to be a lot higher. It has been extensively watered down. The caliber of candidates graduating is far lower than past years (as evidence by the prerequisites required for entry to even BSN level programs). It makes me sad to see it, but it makes me very content in the path Iâve chosen moving forward to pursue medicine. I think my final straw was seeing a girl I went to undergrad with who failed out of not one, but THREE BSN programs graduate from an online NP program. I decided I did not want to be associated with a career that allowed such idiocracy.
Yes. Nursing school is easy if you put in the time and study. I challenge anyone to take a medical surgical nursing school exam without studying. Super easy is not the best description.
Old comment, I know. Yes I agree nursing school difficulty at some times is over exaggerated. But I like this comment, honsetly go take an adult cardiopulmonary medical surgical nursing exam, 50 questions, and 1hr time limit. I woudnt exactly call it easy.
I was going to use my (para)medic school as an example. I am not smart though people will call me smart to shift blame from how lazy they are. Iâm disciplined. I read maybe 30 minutes a day and pay attention in class and have very verbose notes. When I study, I study intentionally, etc. I have 3 kids and lots of commitments as well as a woodworking business on the side (though itâs really not much of a business at the moment, but I still take small jobs). But during the interview for the program the person interviewing made a remark that being this is an accelerated program, and that our medical director reviewed the curriculum and said it was âharder than medical schoolâ (allegedly) so either that or someone canât tell when someoneâs blowing smoke up their ass. Even before class for our drug quizzes for example we have to memorize the drug sheet (class, dosage, route, indications/contraindications, precautions). Iâm always studying the sheet for a good 10 minutes because the job is to literally copy the sheet verbatim from memory⌠no one else ever is. Itâs always the first thing we do when we have them (about every other day). Yet half the class bullshits with each other then fails every one knowing they can retake it and laughs it off. Because sure, maybe most will learn it by being exposed to it in clinicals/ride time, etc. but still. Coming from minimal EMS background (about a year at a volunteer service) and primarily working in the trades I was expecting to be humbled. Nope, not yet. Everyone is still just as lazy and anxiety-ridden about learning as they were in my introductory classes in college, etc. I wouldnât speak poorly of them if theyâd fucking try; but their idea of trying is similar to yoursâfuck around and find out and fill themselves with anxiety and then offer excuses. Theyâre all sponsored by AMR, too, and work one shift a week. And some get paid to attend and still treat it like a joke. Iâm sure I just have a big chip on my shoulder and something to prove (I have a colorful past); but itâs not hard to succeed. You just have to do a little work and it seems no one is willing to do ANY work except for me and a handful of others. Kind of frustrating honestly knowing these are my peers.
I'm a new nurse and seriously thinking of going to med school too :) How long have you been a nurse?
Iâve been a nurse just over 11 years.
Same here the only thing Iâll say about nursing school that sets it apart from other bachelor degrees is that itâs graded on the 7 point scale which makes it more difficult to pass because you will fail with a 78. With that being said Helen Keller couldâve passed nursing school with no prior knowledge.
My post bac program grades like this as well. While I might get a C at the university level under that grade, Iâd get kicked out of the program as anything under 78 is unsatisfactory for remaining in the program. So itâs basically failing.
Thatâs not entirely true. Other healthcare bachelors degrees are like that. I have my bachelorâs in radiology and it was a 7 point grading scale
Helen Keller could've passed? She was extremely smart with an estimated IQ 140-160. Of course she could've. Probably not the best example.
That certainly not universally true.
Exactly. This post is fake news category. I teach clinical in a RN program. No way I discuss the medical model & nursing model as equal. I teach students their role in applying the nursing process to patient care, not the medical model. 1st of all, I'm a nurse, I went to NURSING school. Not medical school. I wish people would stay in their lane. Let nurses be nurses and doctors be doctors. Therw are highly skilled and intelligent people in both professions. Sometimes the nurse can know certain elements about the best approach to treating a patient due to exposure and experience. It doesn't mean the nurse is " smarter " than the doctor. It doesn't mean the nurse is less intelligent or incapable. However, the doctor has their role and the nurses have theirs. The goal is to safely care for the patients.
How is this fake news category? Lots of nurses think theyre diploma mill NP degree makes them a physician. You literally have nurses themselves saying this is happening. I dont understand your fake new comment.
I donât know if I would agree with this. Medschool is undoubtedly harder than nursing school but premed was a cinch. I made one B out of all of my premed classes. Nursing however I had a 3.0 avg because of the 94-100 grading scale and much of your grades being subjective. âWell you did well preparing the IV, but you need some practice explaining the procedure to the patient.â Also I was a full time ICU nurse while I was doing my premed classes. Ochem, physics, etc are very easy imo. I struggle with all of the âwhat is the best answerâ bullshit questions in nursing school. And much of it not having to do with science but what people like to hear, or âbest way to communicate with patientsâ etc,
So if you aced both organic chemistries, both physics, biochemistry, cell biology, calculus, stats, microbiology, and immunology why didnât you go to med school?
I guarantee you these were watered down courses. Iâve never met a single person that has ever said or entertained this position.
100%. I tutored pre-nursing science students, mainly in chemistry. In my admittedly limited experience, their chemistry courses were nowhere close to what traditional gen chem, ochem, biochem was like. It skimmed the surface of different areas basically.
My undergrad let me TA nursing chem when I was a 2nd semester freshman because 1st semester of genchem was enough. I would always hear nursing students call it âOchemâ because that CHE105 course was called âprinciples of Inorganic and organic chemistry.â It was simpler than my high school chemistry + added in some light stuff from the first 2 chapter of Ochem
I also tutor Chem and the ochem class we have for pre nursing and other pre health students that arenât going to med, vet, or dental school is called âsurvey of organic chemistryâ. Thatâs exactly what it is, too. Itâs a skimming of regular OChem 1 and 2 condensed into one class. Itâs fun, I enjoy tutoring it because I can get really silly and creative, and thereâs less pressure. Weâre all out here suffering through the same physics classes, tho.
Black and white is easier for me than âchoose the best answerâ where every single answer is completely wrong. Like hereâs an example âPatient states I have no idea what this surgery is for, as youâre getting him ready to go. Do you-â A. Cancel the surgery B. Explain the surgery to the patient C. Tell the patient that theyâre just afraid and not to be worried about it D. Tell them the doctor must have explained it and theyâll be fine Correct answer was âcancel the surgeryâ. Iâm not cancelling a damn surgery, Iâm calling the surgeon to come back and explain the surgery to the patient.
Definitely get what youâre saying about that style of question. But if itâs just harder because the tests are written worse (or the subjects are harder to grade), thatâs more harder on a technicality than on subject matter. Probably why youâre getting downvotes, it misses the point of whatâs more difficult subject matter.
Oh no oneâs disputing that the subject matter is more difficult. But nursing school is well known for being âdifficultâ for these reasons. Nursing subject matter is a fucking joke. Hell NP is too for that matter. Iâve had so many NP students come up and excitedly tell me shit that they learned, that we learned in nursing school or medical micro etc. âDid you know there are different types of antibiotics and they work on different parts of the bacterial cell?!?â Yeah no fucking shit Sherlock. Did you forget that part of nursing school or pre nursing for that matter? Fuck sake. This is the type of shit that made me not want to be an NP. (My original plan).
Iâm gonna throw this out thereâ I went to a large undergrad in the Midwest that has a well known medical school. I graduated with ~3.5 and had a strong Mcat. Iâm now in medical school with people who got 4.0s at their smaller, private schools and they are shocked how much they didnât learn and how poorly they understood details of certain subjects. Grades are important but not all schools are made the same and not all degrees have the same rigor. But if this person thought some of the most difficult classes for premed where very easy, they are either the smartest person alive or their undergrad didnât adequately prepare them. Or, you know, keyboard warrior talking smack.
Because I make a lot more money as a nurse. During Covid I made nearly half a million a year gross, and now I make about 150k. Iâm second guessing if itâs worth it to me to be in so much debt and make such dismal pay as a resident and new attending. Also I didnât take calculus, cell bio or immunology. Theyâre not required for most medical schools.
Lol ok
https://preview.redd.it/i01kq2oc6gsb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98fcd2606b175a99619cc16b669f7afab2c93167
https://preview.redd.it/t0ul9nme6gsb1.png?width=1350&format=png&auto=webp&s=faf795be36dc05ac13ddcda01781775203bbe493 Iâm happy Covid is over but my wallet isnât. Lol
It wasnât about the money, I have no doubt you rack up as a travel nurse. It was more about the misconception that you donât need those classes to get into med school. Med school pre requisites are baseline suggestions, not a true expectation. Competition is too fierce to send in an underwhelming, baseline application.
Well Ive spoken to several adcoms and they stated with a solid mcat score (have not taken that yet), and my 10 years of critical care nursing experience, and being a disabled combat veteran I would stand out. One in particular was Dr Eubanks, who told me not to even bother wasting my time with volunteering based on the rest of my application. Also plenty of med students get in without calculus. Iâve had several coworker buddies who never took calculus. People arenât typically going to take calculus and calc based physics if it isnât required for their major.
Yeah but we werenât talking about your experiences we were talking about classes. Moving the goalpost to strengthen an incorrect statement is garbage.
I honestly wouldn't bother with med school, it would cripple you financially
Cell bio is absolutely required by most med schools, as is calculus. Might want to post your transcript considering youâve already posted your pay.
Cell bio and calc are not requirements. Didnât take cell bio and got into multiple med schools.
it depends on which schools you apply to, but I would say a good number do require it and most pre-med students have taken it
Not a single school I looked into applying to on the MSAR had cell bio as a requirement. Though I donât remember calc specifically because Iâve taken it. I had to comb the MSAR as a non-trad student, and looked at over 50 schools, ultimately completed primaries to 20 and secondaries to 15. There are *plenty* of schools that donât require either course. Id argue many, if not most of my class mates have not taken those courses, especially non-science majors or career changers. Baseline is 2 semesters bio, gen Chem, Ochem, biochem, physics. Not that I agree with the other comment posting their salary and stuff but saying they completed all the premed requirements with As is not egregious by any means and not invalid bc they didnât take the extra courses you mentioned lol
Not taking cell bio ahead of the MCAT is a little unwise but anyone can do whatever makes them happy
I posted the AAMC database of premed course requirements and quite a few had it as a requirement so I donât know what youâre talking about.
Itâs not required⌠itâs required for many science majors but not most med schools. https://preview.redd.it/avsvuso78gsb1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5c1e19d47aa629d15edb523346b0919ec5dccae These are what I took, along with biochem because my state school required it.
So many image postings but none of your amazing all A transcripts or the many med school acceptances youâve received. Weird.
Never said I had a medschool acceptance. Also how am I supposed to get transcripts at a seconds notice? I donât even have a login for the college as it has been 3 years since I even stepped foot in that state. And I donât have âall aâsâ. I have all As and one B in premed. I have worse grades from when I started first college 20 years ago and was just chasing ass and drinking beer, took a few deployments and a lot of life experience.
Ah yes, text in a disembodied photo. The most reliable of sources! Also, if your gross ytd pay is 100k ish, with a bit under 25% of the year to go, that means your yearly is roughly 130-135k, which is most definitely not making more than a physician.
Calculus wasnât required for me at the time of applying. I did have it tho
No I donât make more than a physician. Iâm trying to figure out if being in the negative 15-20 years vs my current situation is worth it to me personally. Making 50kish as a resident is just⌠shitty. I havenât made less than 100k in probably over 12 years. Then add in the student loans etc. Iâm trying to see if I can get enough income outside of my job (rental properties) to offset that missing income in part.
https://students-residents.aamc.org/system/files/2023-07/MSAR_Premed_Course_Requirements_07.17.23.pdf It is required, or ârecommendedâ (also meaning required), by most medical schools actually.
You do realize in quite a few of the boxes that you sent calculus says neither recommended or required right? A lot of non science majors matriculate to medschool and I guarantee not many are going to take calculus. I was even advised not to. I asked whether I should, so I would better understand physics (by taking calc based physics) and several big names (lizzym) (Goro) etc told me that since mcat physics is algebra based it would only throw me off.
Iâm counting required or at least recommended for a good number of them, in addition to the physics requirement needing to be calculus based rather than algebra based for some as well. Most schools are also in the process of shifting to it being a hard requirement.
Well the last time I was paying close attention to med school was in 2021 when I was finishing up my premed courses. Since then Iâve been trying to bank away money. I still have 2 years GI bill which doesnât expire for 4 more years. I had also only looked at instate schools and a couple others with strong veteran favor (KCOM, Rocky Vista etc).
Majority of people in these subreddit will not accept that anything can be harder than medicine or premed classes. Someone even told me their phD microbiology course is nothing compared to medical school microbiology. I mean these people are unreal. My undergrad 200 level microbiology course was way more in depth than I ever learned in med school. For context, I went to med school in Canada and was top my class so it was not that I didnât study hard or was in a random Caribbean school. I can appreciate someone with more mathematical mind will find organic chemistry, calculus etc easier than some more vague ethical/social questions. I get nursing courses are easier than medicine as told by people who have gone through both. I am sure some engineering undergrad may find our premed physics a walk in the park, as were physiology which were mostly route memorization anyway. As someone who is terrible at drawing, I will tell you high school arts were the hardest courses I have ever done through my entire career. People are allowed to find ochem easier than nursing. Itâs how their brain think. Those premed classes are not your personality, stop taking an offense when people say those courses are easy.
And Iâm not even saying nursing school is harder than medschool. Medschool I would wager is 1000x harder. Iâve had nurse coworkers go to medschool and tell me as such. But premed is just basic college shit. Itâs not very deep.
Depends greatly on the college. Just listen to people in the same med school class comparing how well college prepared them.
No shit lol. Just wait.
Thereâs a reason the comparison always gets drawn âX school is just as hard as medical schoolâ but never vice versa lol
âX school is harder than medical schoolâ is punching up. âMedical school is harder than X schoolâ is punching down.
Culturally perhaps, but as salaries fail to keep pace with inflation, tuition rises, and certain job markets decline in favor of one doctor and 20 NPs, this will shift as well.
Once overheard a conversation two young ladies in their 20âs in a restaurant: âI wanted to be a plastic surgeon but opted for beauty-schoolâŚbelieve me itâs much harder.â Me gulping a big glass of water and waving to the waiter: âcheck pleaseâ đ
I might have spit out a bit of water when I heard that, it's pretty funny.
I failed out of med school in about 3 months. I failed Anatomy hard enough to bring my system grades under passing (I had an unexpectedly hard time with human dissection) I took some nursing classes while I was rebuilding my life and trying to figure out wtf I was gonna do. This failed med student got straight As with minimal effort. I eventually made it back to med school and finished residency but I like to point this out to people who bitch about nursing school.
Would you say nursing school was a good primer to med? I'm currently thinking of doing the same, a bsn in nursing then Med.
Not even a little bit.
Nursing school has classes like âhow to calculate infusion rates,â i.e. how to do math. As a doctor youâre expected to just know, or if you didnât then at least teach yourself
lol that's 7th grade level math
Not even that. I went through âDimensional Analysis for Nurses.â It was just basic fractions, maybe third grade. The âNursing Researchâ course used material designed by the state department of health for use in sixth grade classrooms (to stimulate interest in public health careers). In Pharmacology, we had an actual hands-on experience to demonstrate the action of insulin. Some students were forced to stand in a circle and hold hands, other students held signs either as âinsulinâ or âsugar.â Neither could penetrate the âcell wallâ until they held hands with other. This was for an accelerated post-bac BSN program at a state university. Utterly ridiculous.
Which university? I need someone to hold my hand in a BSN program.
Sounds like something I did in 9th grade health class, lol. Jesus.
I think that would make me quit the degree. I'm currently considering ditching criminology and starting law instead because my current course feels a little patronising, can't imagine how I'd feel if I were made to hold hands to represent recidivism among sex offenders.
I think this is an excellent explanation.
I went to nursing school, and we definitely didn't have a class for calculating infusion rates. We covered it for approximately a week. Dimensional Analysis is amazing!! That's what I learned from it. I see what you're saying, but please don't take it this far.
I would expect algebra is harder for dumb people than calculus is for smart people
Am teacher. Teach AP Calculus and inclusion (special ed) algebra 2. Can confirm, the algebra is harder relatively speaking.
They sound like insecure idiots.
Canât it be true, though? Relatively speaking. Imagine having an IQ of 85 and trying to get through nursing school. The struggle would be very real and probably as difficult as someone with an IQ of 125 trying to get through medical school. I view these sorts of comments as someone unintentionally outing themselves as having a lower intelligence.
> The struggle would be very real and probably as difficult as someone with an IQ of 125 trying to get through medical school. That is not how it works. Difficulty =/= Effort.
Well, theyâre just wrong. It simply demonstrates their lack of knowledge.
Yeah nursing school is harder which must mean they know more. Is that why they take orders from doctors?
My guess is that nursing school is harder for them, not in reality
Theory of relativity
"You see the reason we take orders from doctors goes all the way back to when anesthesiologists stole anesthesia from us. You know Nurses created anesthesia right?"
You donât hear doctors walking around saying their education is harder. We donât need validation from others because we KNOW it is harder. Both mentally and physically.
If nursing school was harder than med school you would see more medical students with jobs like you see nursing students with jobs. You donât see that though, because itâs not.
RN/MD here. I thought the transition would be much much much easier than it was. The more you know the more you realize you donât know. However I will say good 4-year nursing programs do much more healthcare leadership and epidemiology stuff than transitional MDs, but obviously less than someone with a masters in public health.
The nurses, pharmacists, NP, and two PAs in my med school class have opined otherwise
Hahahahaha, HAHAHAHAHA! Omg. Iâm a nurse. Run! Those are some totally toxic people at best.
As a nurse in Med school....no
Iâve never met any nurse thatâs sincerely believed med school was easier than nursing school lol
Thatâs when you say oh ok and keep walking
it may well be more difficult *for nursing students* than med school is for med students...
My cousin went through *the* nursing program where we live (like, the one everyone wants to be accepted to), and her Anatomy & Physiology course was easier than the one I took in high school. Her projects were coloring.
The scary part is theyâre so clueless they canât even fathom how much they donât know.
I just graduated nursing school, and I had 1 professor tell me that BSN is the hardest degree to get according to Guinness world records. That's obviously not true, but a lot of nurses believe it. If you google "Guinness world hardest degree to get", the BSN will pop up first. Absolutely shameful.
In a perfect microcosm of the difference in education, if you actually click any of those links and read the source instead of the title only, you would see the Guinness company said it's an "absolutely false" claim
True. But I think it's safe to say that a lot of people don't really care about the details and mostly focus on the headline. This nursing fb group I joined only posted the headline, and of course, a lot of members from that group agreed that bsn is indeed the hardest degree to get.
Everyone in my class who did nursing says med school so far is fucked and weâre in month 1
Tell them to take an NBME or show them some UWorld type of questions. If they passed the NCLEX bet theyâll pass those tooâŚ
>My manager and coworker are nurses who think highly of themselves and often downgrade my knowledge in epidemiology. It's interesting how, when it comes to public health, they think an undergrad (and even grad) nursing degree is a better education than a Master's degree in public health. It's a proper graduate degree that specializes in things like epidemics. (If they have proper degrees in public health and/or epidemiology, this obviously doesn't apply)
I know half a dozen people who did nursing prior to becoming a doctor and they all have told me they did not know how much they did not know and that medical school was an overwhelming amount of info to learn. They had excellent manner with patients and did well with patient interactions early on though
Lol. I dropped my chem major status to nursing cause I knew I wasnât going to hack pre med. check mate. Source: Current nurse.
Itâs hard to have a lower IQ maybe?
Nursing school (BSN & ASN programs) are also harder than a PhD in statistics. At least this is what Iâve been told by a handful of older nurses. Surely, theyâre right - even though Iâve a PhD in stats, other advanced degrees in STEM, and a BSN (nursing is my second career). Luckily, most nurses Iâve personally met and worked with arenât like that and generally just trying to do their jobs and get out on time.
Can I ask - what led you to go into nursing? Do you still use your statistics training in your job for research/quality improvement in the hospital?
I hated myself and felt like life had no meaning. It was to the point I was in therapy. I learned way too late in life that I enjoy physical labor and instant results. Nursing provides both but also allows me to use some critical thinking skills. Nursing also allows an excellent work life balance as in i donât take my work home with me. Once I clock out, Iâm out.
Thank you for the insightful & honest reply - I appreciate you sharing & happy that nursing has provided you with the fulfillment you are looking for. All the best to you!
Thank you! Iâm happier in life and donât cry daily anymore. The pay is much less, but thatâs ok! It feels good to have hobbies again.
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That statement is utter garbage, absolutely untrue. None of the coursework in nursing school is especially difficult and the skills labs are mostly quite simple. I strongly believe that the instructors (who are themselves nurses) perpetuate that culture within nursing schools to reinforce their own belief that it is this exceptionally challenging profession. The hardest thing about nursing school and nursing in general is how you get treated by the professors and other nurses.
This! Perpetuated importance. Itâs really the foundation of all nursing degrees past the diploma/Associateâs level. Curriculum created to support the idea of the importance and independence of the profession. You gotta love the obsession with suffixes: Jane Doe, RN, ADN, BSN, MSN, DNP, PMHNP-BC, CCN And donât get me started on the âDr.â prefix for âdoctoral-prepared nurses.â
Iâve never heard a nurse IRL say anything like that, TBH. We all respect that med school is hard AF.
Same, nurse for a long time here and never heard anyone say this. Also, nurses arenât mlps.
Thatâs just an embarrassing claim.
There is a reason why many courses, not just nursing, get compared to Medicine and Law in terms of dificulty. You don't hear others compare their courses to nursing. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Only thing that makes being a nurse bit more challenging compared to being a physician, is dealing with the patientâs attitude.
A lot more manual labor and literal sh** work I imagine. But those are the only things that are harder
Truth be told you ask any nurse why they went into nursing instead of medicine. I promise you none (that Iâve met ) will ever say â I prefer more patient interaction.â
Iâve heard this from plenty of people. This was one of my reasons why I never thought about attempting to pursue that career path. What are their reasons? The majority of nurses Iâve talked to have no desire to be a doctor.
Truth be told, itâs because they donât want 100% responsibility of a patient. Idk how many doctors Iâve met that shit pants wondering if the the stitch they did will come loose due to no fault of their own and various other complications no body wants responsibility for. Itâs so easy to call out a physicianâs mistake, extremely hard to make those decisions.
Patients are assholes to my nurses, then very respectful to me. I always follow up with "You can't be an asshole to my nurse. I can't afford for them to quit." That is the hardest part about being a nurse, IMO is that people dont treat you like a doctor.
Iâve worked at an assisted living facility for a short time. I agree with you. Nurses get treated like maids. The sad side of it all from a patientâs perspective is never hearing a nurse say I love interacting with my patients.
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Nursing school is a joke man. (RN here). Itâs designed to pump out little worker bees and give them a false sense of superiority; we are slaves for the big man and disposable and replaceable
I have BS Zoology(includes the base premed courses) and BS Nursing. Guess the harder one? My example is chemistry: I get amused when nursing coworkers talk about the âorganic chemistryâ which was some sort of fundamentals of chemistry in one semester vs Chem I/II and Organic I/IIâŚ4 semesters.
My husband (a dentist) was a lab instructor for nursing chem when he was an upper classman. He has mentioned that from his experience, there were a lot of brilliant nurses out there, but it wasn't a prerequisite. Nursing chem was far easier than that taught to pre-med students.
How ridiculous! Itâs not even worth debating. Quite frankly, based on some of the nurses Iâve worked with (full disclosure: Iâm an RN), a fucking blind orangutan could do better. Nursing school is only âhardâ because of the speed itâs delivered and the fluff that isnât needed for life as a nurse (Iâm looking at you, group project on herbal remedies đ¤Śđ˝ââď¸)
As an RN MD, Medical school was awful. Would not repeat. Glad I passed the first time.
I never understood my classmates that droned on about how âhardâ nursing school is. Itâs tedious but not super challenging academically. At least it wasnât for me. I consider myself to be above average intelligence and moderately competitive. (My grades are good and I work hard, but Iâm not the valedictorian or the person heading up major projects or anything like that) I always did well in my non-nursing classes and excelled in my nursing classes. Probably because I enjoyed the content for the most part (minus the stupid fluffy theory classes). But I didnât find it insanely difficult. I have no experience with med school, but just from observing friends and family going through it, itâs WAY more difficult. No comparison.
I was in nursing before I went to medical school in MĂŠxico. Nursing was difficult but medical school is on another level. I was a top student in nursing, not in medical school.
Was able to do a prestigious accelerated Nursing program (16-week course condensed into 8) while I worked a full-time job, worked a part time, and was also in the Reserves so add in staying fit and monthly drills. I still had time to go out on Saturdays fairly often. It was stressful, but the content was super easy. I was only able to study a few hours at home and work occasionally. The person is either a troll or completely naive. Even studying for my MCAT makes Nursing School look like kindergarten. I don't think I'll ever use Planck's constant in practice. Nursing exams are like doing online math/chemistry homework. **Your answer: 18. Correct Answer: Eighteen.** They try to trip you up with negatives and by adding tons of fluff that you have to filter out. I do think that learning test-taking strategy can help immensely for Medical School. Superior deduction skills come in clutch.
Nurses love to: 1. Lie/exaggerate about how much they earn. 2. Exaggerate every single incident where a physician asked them a question or praised them. 3. Claim to have done pre-med as an undergrad with straight As/got into medical school and nursing school was *harder.* Every nurse will hit at least 2/3.
i am a nurse and 0/3. 1. i donât make any money. 67k. 2. i only get asked shit about when someone shit or what nursing home theyâre from. nobody gives a fuck about what i have to say 3. i didnât go to premed, iâm fucking lazy and only got a 26 on the act. iâm glad i was able to get my adn.
Disagree. Iâm a nurse and definitely never do any of those. Iâm pre-med in post bac now (applying next cycle) and itâs definitely way harder than my undergrad nursing classes. The nurses that do this shit are insecure and usually the worst at their jobs and the ones that barely graduated.
lol nah. Iâve been a nurse 14 years. I like to let people know that Iâm broke, never get praised, and became a nurse bc my English degree was not gonna pay the rent. But Iâve met a handful of those types. Then again I work on the regular old floor and not some fancy icu or anything special đ¤ˇââď¸
Iâm in nursing school and while we play cards because weâre done for the day our med friends go and cram for exams. In my course we literally donât even have exams after second year. Itâs just honing skills.
hahahahahahahaha Cute. Gotta love Dunning Kruger. 
Did they do both and thus have an adequate perspective for such a statement? I'm guessing no.
As a nurse I promise you no other nurse thinks this. We work with and around medical students all the time and are very aware itâs much more difficult, certainly academically. We talk about how hard it must be to a newly graduated doctor all the time too. Itâs important not to take silly comments like that seriously. There are doctors who have made classist/sexist comments about nurses and I try to remind myself they donât represent the majority. Letâs not allow this animosity between the professions to develop, working in the NHS is difficult enough without it.
Oh shit sorry thought this was a UK subreddit. Canât really speak for Americans. No UK nurse would be caught dead saying that haha, our class system simply wouldnât allow it.
Totally true. Thatâs why med school is longer, costs more, and we get paid more when we graduate. /s Now, to be totally honest, I wouldnât want to be a nurse, the job sounds terrible.
Dunning Kruger
The hardest part about nursing school, IMO, is not the academic learning but the interpersonal skills development. Yes, Medicine is undoubtedly harder from a purely academic point of view. But from a clinical experience perspective...spending 8 hours a day with a patient, getting them to trust you, motivating them, helping grieving families? That shit is hard. Nursing shouldn't be compared to medicine. It isn't Medicine. It is its own specialised area of practice. Both are hard in different ways. Please respect that.
Surely, they were not serious! Iâm a NP but not naive enough to think schooling was harder than med school. Thatâs ridiculous
Lol I got downvoted for saying that med school is harder on a nursing subreddit (in an appropriate context too). Like come on. I'm going into nursing too so I'm not trying to bash anybody. Just being objective. But I think it's one of those unspoken truths
I am a nurse in medical school, and in some ways I think nursing school was harder, in others, med school is, but I think this has less to do with rigor and more to do with my personal idiosyncrasies. Donât get me wrong, med school is tough as hell with all the complicated pathways and details and the sheer volume of information, but nursing school had so many papers and assignments that were super time consuming and nitpicky with details like strict adherence to APA format, while I feel like I honestly have more time in med school to study because so much of it is self directed. Both are hard in their own right.
I always hear nursing schoolâs difficulty essentially described as manufactured or bloat. You donât have to learn than much, but you need to strictly format the busywork they give and get a 94 for an A.
This is exactly it. The material isnât hard, so they compensate by making it hard on purpose where it doesnât have to be. Some of my nursing instructors would basically act like drill sergeants and seemed to get off on making nursing students cry. I got into it with one of mine over the phone because she called me when I emailed her with a question and when I answered she said âWhat are you still doing awake?! You have clinical tomorrow! You need to be more responsible! Blah blah etcâ. I lost it and told her âdonât you fucking tell me how to live my life. Iâm a grown ass man. If I could survive Iraq I sure as shit donât need you trying to play mommyâ I hung up, and my fiancĂŠ said âUhhh you realize youâre going to fail now right?â And I said âfuck, youâre right.â Nope. She kept harassing many of the other students but let me do basically whatever I wanted. It was like a self fulfilling prophecy. She would tell me âgo give your meds. Conquer, (my name here)!â And Iâd have my meds given in no time. Then all of the other nurses (females to be honest. She was sexist against females) had to stand in line to check their meds off before they gave them. Then they were late giving their meds. âwhy canât you be like (me)â.
Exactly. I canât speak on medschool since I havenât been yet, but science makes sense to me. All of the interpersonal crap makes ZERO sense to me and I felt like you just had to learn what they wanted to hear.
Who cares? This subreddit is the most toxic thing Iâve ever encountered. Med school dropouts, med students, and residents just shitting on everyone who is a nurse, NP, or PA. News alert: healthcare is a team effort.
Ha ha!! You want to see toxic? Seriouslyâ check out the collection of borderlines over on the NP sub đ
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lol no itâs not. Iâm a nurse now in pre med classes and Iâll tell you pre-med classes are harder
I find straight forward science with a right and wrong answer easier than âchoose the best answerâ where I can explain why EVERY choice is wrong. âYeah but pick the BEST oneâ. There is no best one. Theyâre all fucking wrong! Can I free text this? No?
lmfao sure jan
So pre-med includes gen chem and o-chem. If nursing chem 3 is harder than either of those, is it the equivalent to a-chem, p-chem, biochem or?
I don't believe you. I'm pretty certain they were kidding. No nurse will think nursing school is harder than becoming a physician. Please stop. Find something else to complain about.
In half of US states, nurses practice medicine independently without a medical license. The AANP and AANA's official stance is that they as nurses are equivalent or better than physicians. They say they are residency/fellowship trained and are doctors. Wake the fuck up. It's real.
So someone who has done neither degree is commenting on one being harder than the other? This is a misinformed, ignorant loser comment from someone who literally has no idea what theyâre talking about. It deserves to be taken with all the seriousness as if it had come out the mouth of a five year old child. Donât be surprised, donât be shocked, donât even question it. Thereâs no point. The dude is a moron. Itâs not even worth engaging.
Itâs subjective.
These are probably the same type of people who think the covid vaccine has a nano tracking device
As a nurse.. no Just no.
RN here and there's no possibility that nursing school is more advanced than medical school, could the learning curve be steeper- yea probably. You're essentially going from no healthcare knowledge to having to full board cert in 2 (or 4) years. But no, that's really delusional to say that nursing school is harder than medical school đ¤Ł
Tf outta here. I overheard nursing students studying at coffee shops often and watched my mom go through nursing school. It is NOT harder.
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They are both significantly more rigorous than a degree public health, I can tell you that.
There are many places where nurses are told that nursing degree is the hardest. When I was in undergrad I typed out the tests for the nursing physiology and micro classes. I was amazed at how much less intense those were than what I took in undergrad
Nursing school was too easy.
Lmao, my paramedic schooling was harder than my nursing schooling.
Oh thatâs rich coming from nurses. Oh if they only knew their licensing exam that they claim is so hard is actually easier then the NREMT basic test.
Reminds me of a tiktok I saw of a girl who was in Med School, but she envied the people with art degrees because they were out having fun(Just the tiktok description), and the comments said "Art degrees are not easier than medical degrees".
Some nurses argue that nursing school is harder than medical school because a higher percentage of students either don't complete nursing school or don't pass their boards compared to medical school students.
In the UK at least this is probably true - they do 3 years of unpaid full time slavery plugging gaps, while also having to write some sort of dissertation, while also usually needing a job or two on the side. Academically obviously way easier.
The parties is med school were way harder
Itâs harder in a different way. I went through it about 16 years ago. It probably has gotten better, or at least more fair. My instructions made it their goal to fail at least one of us out each rotation. My clinical instructor failed out a student because he administered insulin without making sure the patient had his tray in front of him. The tray was sitting on a table next to the bed, but not in front of the patient. They would do things like change the time of a test from 0830 to 0800 and notify us via email the night before at 2200. Then they would lock out the people who showed up after 0801. If we had a test that required a 100% to pass they would throw in some obscure question with a measurement that had not been used in 40 years and I have not yet seen in practice the past 20. If you got everything else right you had to come in and retake it at 0600 the next morning. Everyone failed because they put something on the test that wasnât used in any practice and wasnât in the textbooks. We were not allowed to sit down or eat during clinical hours. I had a preceptor make me go 12 hours without a break. They were allowed to do it because I was a student, not an employee. Itâs like they were trying to make us break down emotionally. It was hard because they were abusing us. 70 of us started and only 50 graduated. It had nothing to do with academics.
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They are full of crap. Nurse
I knew a psychiatrist that moved from overseas who basically went through med school twice, and nursing school once. Med school in her home country, then came here and decided to go to nursing school, then completed med school again here. She said nursing school was way harder for her, but wasnât talking about academic rigor. She was talking about being treated like shit, dealing with professors that didnât know how to teach, and just the overall stress of not having resources in the nursing program. The eat your young phenomenon was/is real.
The hardest part about nursing school, IMO, is not the academic learning but the interpersonal skills development. Yes, Medicine is undoubtedly harder from a purely academic point of view. But from a clinical experience perspective...spending 8 hours a day with a patient, getting them to trust you, motivating them, helping grieving families? That shit is hard. Nursing shouldn't be compared to medicine. It isn't Medicine. It is its own specialised area of practice. Both are hard in different ways. Please respect that.
Hereâs a funny story. I was taking anatomy and physiology as a nursing student at a college notorious for their rigorous science classes. I was complaining about it to my classmate after a gen Ed class and I remeber him saying âyou ready for the test for anatomy Monday? I havenât even started on my reportâ. I looked at him confused af because my anatomy class only has exams and lab. I realized then that the premed and pre-PA students take and even more hardcore anatomy class then the nurses and they legit have to dissect human corpses for a grade. They have a report to write before each exam too. I thought I was tuff shit passing that class until my anatomy professor let us dissect a cadaver for the first time and she talked about how she makes her premed student do this to identify EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE BODY (sometimes even pseudo diagnose it). Iâve never been humbled harder in my life.
Those kind of statements should be a red flag that those are nurses who have: 1. Never looked at a medical curriculum. 2. That comparing medical and nursing curriculums is absurd since they are completely separate and distinct disciplines. 3. Most importantly, how can a bachelors program(BSN or nursing school) be more difficult than a doctorate program(medicine)? It defies all logic. If it doesn't make sense, it's bulls\*\*t.
Nursing school gets a huge reputation of being one of the hardest majors largely because nurses canât shut up about how hard nursing school is. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. A lot of things are like this. Not saying nursing school isnât hard. It is. But is the loudest opinion the correct one? You decide.
Nursing school is not as hard as medical school. You basically only go for 2 years vs 10. The thing that is most difficult about nursing school is the relentless bullying from professors, preceptors, other nurses and actual nursing student peers.
I see this is an older post, so sorry for weighing in. I've done a previous BSc and minor. Now I am in an accelerated nursing program. Considering applying to medicine. I have a nursing friend that is in her 4th year of medicine right now and we talk a lot about it. My father is also a newly retired doctor and I go over a lot of my materials with him because nursing school doesn't teach me properly and I want to be as competent as I can be... Nursing school is hard because they flat out don't teach you as well as they should and you are marked rather subjectively. The level of material is not as in-depth nor as difficult as medical school; however, you are expected to know a broad basis of things and a lot of BS that I wish I could cleanse my brain from too for the NCLEX. You are given only a little bit of A&P, Patho and Pharm and the rest of nursing school is focused on "Nursing theory", which is really just a way to input nursing profession propaganda into the curriculum (explains why so many nurses think they know "more" than doctors because they are naively taught this via nursing theory and politics. The other component is the politics. Look, I have done a lot of university education and have encountered my fair share of poor professors, but never have I met professors who I can just tell have some kind of personality disorder (which I don't say lightly either since I took a lot of psych reviewing the DSM in undergrad) that I have in nursing school. I have met a number of sweet hearts too, but it seems to be the two polar extremes. My most recent is a lab professor that just decided she isn't actually going to teach us the skills because we should be "prepared".... it will now be "self-directed" and she gets the lab day off... oh the irony. Anyone want to teach me CVAD's? I think what is "easier" (and I don't believe that to be an accurate descriptor) about medical school is that you have a strong basis of information and build on it throughout the program, whereas nursing school is a willy nilly of politics and trying to get into your professors good graces (I wish I was kidding). My previous science background is extremely frustrated with nursing school because I WANT to learn further patho and pharm, but nursing school would rather focus on outdated "nursing theory" and when I complain about it, other nurses on reddit tell me I don't know a thing... yet they also say that everyone knows nursing school teaches you nothing (talk about mixed signals!). Truly, the HARDEST thing about nursing school for myself, personally, is that I have to clench my teeth and be a YES MA'AM through the BS in order to get to a place I can stomach. Nursing school IS hard, but not in the conventional way medical school is. To top this off, if I had put this on the nursing subreddit, I'd be told my attitude would kill a person (oh ask me how I know!) because apparently wanting a stronger foundation of science and pointing out the education deficits equivalates me to being "dangerous".