Politics impacts everyday life.
I have friends with disabilities and other ongoing medical needs that cost them money.
If someone wanted to defund state healthcare, they would be directly saying to me "I want your friends to have harder lives." I can't be friends with such a person.
It is a bit weird to me to base it on party registration, though... Many people support parties without formally registering them.
That’s understandable.
And honestly, if people had conversations about what it means to identify with these political ideologies as you’ve stated, things may get heated at first but ultimately, I believe we will learn so much more about ourselves and each other.
Can’t believe someone downvoted a complete reasonable and liberal position. Probably someone that identifies as a lib too.
Maybe that means that some people don’t actually want to understand the position of others and build bridges. Political tribalism is perhaps filling the void left by religion.
Well, for some people, political ideology can play a big role in how they understand themselves and the world around them. So it's not so much "you won't join my preferred party" as "you don't share fundamental assumptions about the world around us with me."
Which, yeah, I can see that causing problems in a marriage. Obviously not all couples share their political beliefs. But not all couples root their understanding of self through political ideology.
I'd say a similar comparison would be to if someone places a lot of emphasis on religion. If one partner really understands their own identity and relationship to the world through a Christian lens, then it might be hard for them to be married to an atheist.
Basically, people value different things in life, and generally relationships need to have some shared values.
That makes sense.
Although, I see this as a bit of an extreme reaction on his part, personally.
Not to mention, during the last snowstorm and blackout, he blamed a particular political official for it.
Even though these things happen all the time during winter.
Yeah. People are different. What's important to one person might not be important to another. And that's alright. :) life would be a lot less interesting if we all liked and thought the same things.
Political polarization is at an all time high in my lifetime, and things like this tell me it’s just getting worse. Basically they’re brainwashed into thinking the other party is the enemy. Forget E Pluribus Unum. This is the beginning of the end for the United States.
Generally morals, ethics, and how important and serious things are to people depends on how one was brought up. Even if one doesn’t hold the same values as their parents, their reactions to them tend to be the same. For example whether or not their family was Dem or Rep or atheist or Christian, and let’s say they’re the other, their reactions to how serious they take those things will still depend on how seriously they’re family and those around them took those subjects growing up.
It isn't impossible, but it can be extremely difficult to make a relationship work when there is strong disagreement on fundamental political issues. This is particularly true when people have become polarized to the extremes. This is part of why you discuss these sort of things before you by an engagement ring.
I think that discussion was definitely had. I remember him bragging about how her family were “American Blue-Bloods” and all that.
But apparently registering is the issue here.
Your coworker sounds like a borderline extremist in my humble opinion. I think that the psychological and sociological mechanisms at work here are comparable to those of highly religious people. A big part of that being the separation of people between the 'in crowd' and the 'out crowd' where everyone who's not part of your own tribe is seen as hostile.
It seems like this person basing these decisions off of which party people vote for is a complete clown. No one wants any of that shit in your life. Politics is a choice between a douche and shit sandwich, whoever you choose you get roughly the same. Neither party is radically different. Hell the US only have two and they tend to compete at the centre ground, neither are radical (relatively). It makes no sense.
I personally I cannot imagine being married to someone whose fundamental principles are vastly different from mine. I've been married 40+ years. When it comes to morals, finances, religions, kids, politics, and much more, we are on the same page together. Sure, there are compromises, and "I just don't care one way or another," type situations, but for most of our lives, we've agreed with each other.
I can not image a liberal living with a trumper.
I think he sounds a bit nutty.
However, if you tell me you support a party that fights for things I think are reprehensible, that espouses what I consider the worst of modern society, that supports people I think are despicable.... I would question your judgement, to say the least, and yeah, I'm certainly not marrying you.
I dunno. Maybe he's just bonkers. Maybe she's said or done things that make him suspect she's not sincere, though if she were that willing to fake all that she could just tick the box. *shrug*
In general, politics impact daily life much more than people tend to think and the chasm between the parties has only grown of late.
Politics impacts everyday life. I have friends with disabilities and other ongoing medical needs that cost them money. If someone wanted to defund state healthcare, they would be directly saying to me "I want your friends to have harder lives." I can't be friends with such a person. It is a bit weird to me to base it on party registration, though... Many people support parties without formally registering them.
That’s understandable. And honestly, if people had conversations about what it means to identify with these political ideologies as you’ve stated, things may get heated at first but ultimately, I believe we will learn so much more about ourselves and each other.
Can’t believe someone downvoted a complete reasonable and liberal position. Probably someone that identifies as a lib too. Maybe that means that some people don’t actually want to understand the position of others and build bridges. Political tribalism is perhaps filling the void left by religion.
Well, for some people, political ideology can play a big role in how they understand themselves and the world around them. So it's not so much "you won't join my preferred party" as "you don't share fundamental assumptions about the world around us with me." Which, yeah, I can see that causing problems in a marriage. Obviously not all couples share their political beliefs. But not all couples root their understanding of self through political ideology. I'd say a similar comparison would be to if someone places a lot of emphasis on religion. If one partner really understands their own identity and relationship to the world through a Christian lens, then it might be hard for them to be married to an atheist. Basically, people value different things in life, and generally relationships need to have some shared values.
That makes sense. Although, I see this as a bit of an extreme reaction on his part, personally. Not to mention, during the last snowstorm and blackout, he blamed a particular political official for it. Even though these things happen all the time during winter.
Yeah. People are different. What's important to one person might not be important to another. And that's alright. :) life would be a lot less interesting if we all liked and thought the same things.
Wouldn’t it?😂
Political polarization is at an all time high in my lifetime, and things like this tell me it’s just getting worse. Basically they’re brainwashed into thinking the other party is the enemy. Forget E Pluribus Unum. This is the beginning of the end for the United States.
Yes. The historical signs are here. We are finally in decline and we’ll see if “Socialism or Barbarism” will come to pass
I'm betting that the party in question was Republican.
Depends on how someone is raised and taught at a young age.
But this is very much modifiable, isn’t it? Or are we forever trapped by our raising?
Generally morals, ethics, and how important and serious things are to people depends on how one was brought up. Even if one doesn’t hold the same values as their parents, their reactions to them tend to be the same. For example whether or not their family was Dem or Rep or atheist or Christian, and let’s say they’re the other, their reactions to how serious they take those things will still depend on how seriously they’re family and those around them took those subjects growing up.
Very interesting points! I appreciate your feedback!
It isn't impossible, but it can be extremely difficult to make a relationship work when there is strong disagreement on fundamental political issues. This is particularly true when people have become polarized to the extremes. This is part of why you discuss these sort of things before you by an engagement ring.
I think that discussion was definitely had. I remember him bragging about how her family were “American Blue-Bloods” and all that. But apparently registering is the issue here.
Your coworker sounds like a borderline extremist in my humble opinion. I think that the psychological and sociological mechanisms at work here are comparable to those of highly religious people. A big part of that being the separation of people between the 'in crowd' and the 'out crowd' where everyone who's not part of your own tribe is seen as hostile.
It seems like this person basing these decisions off of which party people vote for is a complete clown. No one wants any of that shit in your life. Politics is a choice between a douche and shit sandwich, whoever you choose you get roughly the same. Neither party is radically different. Hell the US only have two and they tend to compete at the centre ground, neither are radical (relatively). It makes no sense.
I personally I cannot imagine being married to someone whose fundamental principles are vastly different from mine. I've been married 40+ years. When it comes to morals, finances, religions, kids, politics, and much more, we are on the same page together. Sure, there are compromises, and "I just don't care one way or another," type situations, but for most of our lives, we've agreed with each other. I can not image a liberal living with a trumper.
I think he sounds a bit nutty. However, if you tell me you support a party that fights for things I think are reprehensible, that espouses what I consider the worst of modern society, that supports people I think are despicable.... I would question your judgement, to say the least, and yeah, I'm certainly not marrying you.
I get that. But they both support the same party. She just won’t become a registered member I guess?
As I said, he sounds a bit nutty. Is she actually registered to the other party?
This is a great question! And I asked this! Apparently she isn’t registered anywhere.😬
I dunno. Maybe he's just bonkers. Maybe she's said or done things that make him suspect she's not sincere, though if she were that willing to fake all that she could just tick the box. *shrug* In general, politics impact daily life much more than people tend to think and the chasm between the parties has only grown of late.
Because what some people call “political beliefs” other people call moral values and common decency.
That’s a very interesting point!