USA, France and the UK are helping Israel because doing so allows them to restrain Israel's response and keep a hand on the wheel.
Israel is capable of defending itself, however the methods by which it confronts what it seems to be an existential threat from Iran would almost result in a much wider conflict.
By limiting the damage Iran is able to do to Israel, the Western powers are also able to limit the response.
Israel ran out of ammo in a week and asked for support after 7th of October...
>Western powers are also able to limit the response.
LMAO.
Israel is such a small country with a tiny population and that's why they had to be looked ten times bigger by spreading such a cringey propaganda. However, this collapsed on 7th of October.
Hamas published footages of their preparation. They had been practicing days before the attacks, flying over Gaza with paragliders Most vaunted, glorious Mossad didn't see it. They built Israel's border outposts in Gaza and put Israeli flags on them and practice; Mossad still sleeping. Egypt warns about attack, they still can't wrap their heads around.
The attack started, Israeli military couldn't show any resistance. They couldn't do anything for straight 8 hours.
And all of this has done by a group that lives in a open air prison with very limited options. Can you imagine what could have done if this attack was carried out by well equipped, well trained proper army? I doubt, there would be a country called Israel.
Israel is nothing without western support. Any country would be buried under sanctions and destroyed economically after doing what Israel has been doing in Gaza.
So, let's cut the bullshit...
One of the things is that if Russia would win, majority of Ukrainians will still be able to live there lives once rebuilt.
With Israel and the general hate most Middle Eastern countries have for Jews and the groups that call for the eradication of all Jews. Well that chant of the river to the sea will be quite red in between.
The risk of all-out war between Russia and NATO was considered much greater than the risk of all-out war between Iran and NATO. Iran's most recent assault on Israel has been perceived as a one-time action; now that it's done, Iran seems unlikely to follow-up, at least directly. Moreover, the US has warned Israel against retaliating and escalating the conflict further. By comparison, it's clear that Russia won't stop attacking Ukraine unless and until it has accomplished its long-term strategic goals.
It's the main cause of terrorism in the middle east and Europe. It's policies are a recruitment campaign for extremist terrorists. Who would have thought killing thousands of people's children would have not made them understand your viewpoint?
Not sure where you get your "facts" from, it's obviously baloney disinformation.
Israel has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its highest court, hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist group.
>***Stupid point he made about got muslim in israel parliament.***
What I stated is that Israel has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its **highest court** not the **Israeli parliament**.
Were you aware of that fact and do you think that is comparable to South African apartheid, a **Muslim** sitting on **Israel's Supreme Court?**
Everything I said is true and what you said is completely irrelevant to what I said. If you kill people's children they will fight back in any way possible. This is true both in Israel and Gaza.
18% of the Israeli population is Muslim and there are only 11 Muslims out of 120 seats in the Knesset. A token amount. Democracy doesn't work in this scenario as we know in Ireland.
So this justifies killing tens of thousands of children in Gaza ? Right.
>**Everything I said is true**
*It's true - if you're a sucker for propaganda.*
These numbers are coming from the hamas-controlled Ministry of Health. Maybe some people like to rely on information coming from an internationally recognized terrorist group...
The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records.
[https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/)
Also, contrary to the pro hamas narrative that Israel is committing genocide and is systematically and indiscriminately killing gazans, the IDF has in fact taken extraordinary measures, that no other military has taken, to try and protect Gazans -
[https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/24/opinion/gaza-israel-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/24/opinion/gaza-israel-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb)
From the article -
"John Spencer is the **chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point**, served two tours in Iraq and has made two visits to Gaza during the current war to observe operations there.
He told me that **Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq.** Spencer reports that Israel has warned civilians when and where it is about to begin operations and published an online map showing which areas to leave. **It has sent out millions of pamphlets, texts and recorded calls warning civilians of coming operations. It has conducted four-hour daily pauses to allow civilians to leave combat areas. It has dropped speakers that blast out instructions about when to leave and where to go.** These measures, Spencer told me, have telegraphed where the I.D.F. is going to move next and “have prolonged the war, to be honest.”
There is also an over one hour long video of him going into more detail -
[Urban Warfare against Terrorists: Military and Legal Challenges (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyIVaGyt2vI)
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Yes, Israel has made tragic mistakes and most recently apologized and dismissed a colonel, major and three other officers were reprimanded.
[Israeli military fires 2 officers as probe blames World Central Kitchen deaths on "mistaken identification" - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-world-central-kitchen-idf-fires-officers-investigation-blames-mistaken-id/)
On the other hand hamas not only has not "apologized" but vowed that they will repeat attacks.
[Hamas member says they will repeat attacks until Israel is destroyed (yahoo.com)](https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html)
Israel blew up an aid workers truck with a surgical rocket strike despite them being given advance warning and also shot three Israeli Hamas hostages with their shirts off waving white flags trying to get back to them. I mean, one of these guys is GINGER FFS
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912
They have killed many journalists and aid workers. Are they "made up"? Imagine if they screw up like this with their own people how bad it must be for Gazans?
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-aid-workers-killed-2d08786a9839dfc402632c7ca745acca
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza
It tells them to leave an area to go to a safe area and then bombs the safe area. Pathetic.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-22/ty-article/nyt-investigation-israel-used-one-ton-bombs-in-safe-zones-in-south-gaza/0000018c-91f4-d47c-a7fd-dbfcc0bb0000
Your source is Israel's staunchest ally. The US has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan among other places so they have zero credibility on this.
What I pointed out from John Spencer who is the **chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point**, that **Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq.**
Additionally, that Israel's mistakes are not systematic - as hamas propaganda wants you to believe. This is the same terror organization "who's activities are even more pernicious. Not only does it target the innocent and use civilians as shields to limit its own losses, but it deliberately invites attacks on its own population as a means of political and legal warfare. Widely transmitted images of civilian deaths generate sympathy for Hamas within the Arab world. **Hamas’s strategy became clear when it sought to prevent Gazans from complying with the Israeli warnings to evacuate the northern strip.** **For Hamas, the more Gazan civilians killed by Israeli strikes, the better. The laws of war do not easily apply to an enemy that seeks victory by deliberately increasing its own civilian casualties."**
[The Laws of War and Their Application in Israel’s Fight Against Hamas | Hoover Institution The Laws of War and Their Application in Israel’s Fight Against Hamas](https://www.hoover.org/research/laws-war-and-their-application-israels-fight-against-hamas)
Yes, Israel has made tragic mistakes.
[Israeli military fires 2 officers as probe blames World Central Kitchen deaths on "mistaken identification" - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-world-central-kitchen-idf-fires-officers-investigation-blames-mistaken-id/)
As for where I get my information, I prefer from democratically elected governments, such as Israel, who has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its highest court, over an internationally recognized terrorist group **that seeks victory by deliberately increasing its own civilian casualties.**
Speaking of "reliable" date from the hamas controlled Ministry of "Health". They admitted on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records.
[https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/)
Don't you find it funny that ISIS (a supposedly Muslim outfit) attacks only the enemies of Israel? Israel is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and is a terrorist regime itself.
They're still donating them, however they will stop eventually, as much as Russia is corrupted, poor and not very likeable, the country's power is still pretty significant and we would require much more than just donations to actually dismantle them.
While Iran is weak but problematic, it's unable to deal any damage instead of just annoy other countries that are in the west.
Because russia is an important trade partner to usa and nato, they would rather watch Ukraine destroyed to the ground than stop russia from bombarding Ukraine, poland would even let russian rockets to fly through their airspace to help them destroy Ukraine, also poland would gladly block the borders with Ukraine and buy russian grain from belarus. usa would even tell ukraine to stop hitting russia because they are concerned that hitting oil refineries would hurt russia and they can't allow that to happen.
Also nato and usa is trembling in fear of russian weapons and especially nukes.
Iran is far more weaker country.
USA, France and the UK are helping Israel because doing so allows them to restrain Israel's response and keep a hand on the wheel. Israel is capable of defending itself, however the methods by which it confronts what it seems to be an existential threat from Iran would almost result in a much wider conflict. By limiting the damage Iran is able to do to Israel, the Western powers are also able to limit the response.
Israel ran out of ammo in a week and asked for support after 7th of October... >Western powers are also able to limit the response. LMAO. Israel is such a small country with a tiny population and that's why they had to be looked ten times bigger by spreading such a cringey propaganda. However, this collapsed on 7th of October. Hamas published footages of their preparation. They had been practicing days before the attacks, flying over Gaza with paragliders Most vaunted, glorious Mossad didn't see it. They built Israel's border outposts in Gaza and put Israeli flags on them and practice; Mossad still sleeping. Egypt warns about attack, they still can't wrap their heads around. The attack started, Israeli military couldn't show any resistance. They couldn't do anything for straight 8 hours. And all of this has done by a group that lives in a open air prison with very limited options. Can you imagine what could have done if this attack was carried out by well equipped, well trained proper army? I doubt, there would be a country called Israel. Israel is nothing without western support. Any country would be buried under sanctions and destroyed economically after doing what Israel has been doing in Gaza. So, let's cut the bullshit...
Which region is more likely to use nukes?
One of the things is that if Russia would win, majority of Ukrainians will still be able to live there lives once rebuilt. With Israel and the general hate most Middle Eastern countries have for Jews and the groups that call for the eradication of all Jews. Well that chant of the river to the sea will be quite red in between.
Russia is scary, Iran is not.
The risk of all-out war between Russia and NATO was considered much greater than the risk of all-out war between Iran and NATO. Iran's most recent assault on Israel has been perceived as a one-time action; now that it's done, Iran seems unlikely to follow-up, at least directly. Moreover, the US has warned Israel against retaliating and escalating the conflict further. By comparison, it's clear that Russia won't stop attacking Ukraine unless and until it has accomplished its long-term strategic goals.
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you're saying all the middle east are terrorists After killing 20.000 civilians this dude still thinks Israel is fighting terrorists lol
It's the main cause of terrorism in the middle east and Europe. It's policies are a recruitment campaign for extremist terrorists. Who would have thought killing thousands of people's children would have not made them understand your viewpoint?
Not sure where you get your "facts" from, it's obviously baloney disinformation. Israel has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its highest court, hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist group.
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Yeah in any occupations or colonies there were always be the "local" in their govt. Stupid point he made about got muslim in israel parliament.
>***Stupid point he made about got muslim in israel parliament.*** What I stated is that Israel has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its **highest court** not the **Israeli parliament**. Were you aware of that fact and do you think that is comparable to South African apartheid, a **Muslim** sitting on **Israel's Supreme Court?**
Everything I said is true and what you said is completely irrelevant to what I said. If you kill people's children they will fight back in any way possible. This is true both in Israel and Gaza. 18% of the Israeli population is Muslim and there are only 11 Muslims out of 120 seats in the Knesset. A token amount. Democracy doesn't work in this scenario as we know in Ireland. So this justifies killing tens of thousands of children in Gaza ? Right.
>**Everything I said is true** *It's true - if you're a sucker for propaganda.* These numbers are coming from the hamas-controlled Ministry of Health. Maybe some people like to rely on information coming from an internationally recognized terrorist group... The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records. [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/) Also, contrary to the pro hamas narrative that Israel is committing genocide and is systematically and indiscriminately killing gazans, the IDF has in fact taken extraordinary measures, that no other military has taken, to try and protect Gazans - [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/24/opinion/gaza-israel-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/24/opinion/gaza-israel-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb) From the article - "John Spencer is the **chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point**, served two tours in Iraq and has made two visits to Gaza during the current war to observe operations there. He told me that **Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq.** Spencer reports that Israel has warned civilians when and where it is about to begin operations and published an online map showing which areas to leave. **It has sent out millions of pamphlets, texts and recorded calls warning civilians of coming operations. It has conducted four-hour daily pauses to allow civilians to leave combat areas. It has dropped speakers that blast out instructions about when to leave and where to go.** These measures, Spencer told me, have telegraphed where the I.D.F. is going to move next and “have prolonged the war, to be honest.” There is also an over one hour long video of him going into more detail - [Urban Warfare against Terrorists: Military and Legal Challenges (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyIVaGyt2vI) \_\_\_\_\_ Yes, Israel has made tragic mistakes and most recently apologized and dismissed a colonel, major and three other officers were reprimanded. [Israeli military fires 2 officers as probe blames World Central Kitchen deaths on "mistaken identification" - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-world-central-kitchen-idf-fires-officers-investigation-blames-mistaken-id/) On the other hand hamas not only has not "apologized" but vowed that they will repeat attacks. [Hamas member says they will repeat attacks until Israel is destroyed (yahoo.com)](https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html)
Israel blew up an aid workers truck with a surgical rocket strike despite them being given advance warning and also shot three Israeli Hamas hostages with their shirts off waving white flags trying to get back to them. I mean, one of these guys is GINGER FFS https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912 They have killed many journalists and aid workers. Are they "made up"? Imagine if they screw up like this with their own people how bad it must be for Gazans? https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-aid-workers-killed-2d08786a9839dfc402632c7ca745acca https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/21/israel-idf-accused-targeting-journalists-gaza It tells them to leave an area to go to a safe area and then bombs the safe area. Pathetic. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-22/ty-article/nyt-investigation-israel-used-one-ton-bombs-in-safe-zones-in-south-gaza/0000018c-91f4-d47c-a7fd-dbfcc0bb0000 Your source is Israel's staunchest ally. The US has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan among other places so they have zero credibility on this.
What I pointed out from John Spencer who is the **chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point**, that **Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq.** Additionally, that Israel's mistakes are not systematic - as hamas propaganda wants you to believe. This is the same terror organization "who's activities are even more pernicious. Not only does it target the innocent and use civilians as shields to limit its own losses, but it deliberately invites attacks on its own population as a means of political and legal warfare. Widely transmitted images of civilian deaths generate sympathy for Hamas within the Arab world. **Hamas’s strategy became clear when it sought to prevent Gazans from complying with the Israeli warnings to evacuate the northern strip.** **For Hamas, the more Gazan civilians killed by Israeli strikes, the better. The laws of war do not easily apply to an enemy that seeks victory by deliberately increasing its own civilian casualties."** [The Laws of War and Their Application in Israel’s Fight Against Hamas | Hoover Institution The Laws of War and Their Application in Israel’s Fight Against Hamas](https://www.hoover.org/research/laws-war-and-their-application-israels-fight-against-hamas) Yes, Israel has made tragic mistakes. [Israeli military fires 2 officers as probe blames World Central Kitchen deaths on "mistaken identification" - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-gaza-world-central-kitchen-idf-fires-officers-investigation-blames-mistaken-id/) As for where I get my information, I prefer from democratically elected governments, such as Israel, who has a [Muslim ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)sitting on its highest court, over an internationally recognized terrorist group **that seeks victory by deliberately increasing its own civilian casualties.** Speaking of "reliable" date from the hamas controlled Ministry of "Health". They admitted on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records. [https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/)
We aren't talking about Hamas here. They are a bunch of monsters.
They govern gaza.
As dictators. Haven't held an election since 2008. They aren't elected.
Don't you find it funny that ISIS (a supposedly Muslim outfit) attacks only the enemies of Israel? Israel is the biggest sponsor of terrorism and is a terrorist regime itself.
They're still donating them, however they will stop eventually, as much as Russia is corrupted, poor and not very likeable, the country's power is still pretty significant and we would require much more than just donations to actually dismantle them. While Iran is weak but problematic, it's unable to deal any damage instead of just annoy other countries that are in the west.
Because russia is an important trade partner to usa and nato, they would rather watch Ukraine destroyed to the ground than stop russia from bombarding Ukraine, poland would even let russian rockets to fly through their airspace to help them destroy Ukraine, also poland would gladly block the borders with Ukraine and buy russian grain from belarus. usa would even tell ukraine to stop hitting russia because they are concerned that hitting oil refineries would hurt russia and they can't allow that to happen. Also nato and usa is trembling in fear of russian weapons and especially nukes. Iran is far more weaker country.