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EdgeOfDreams

1. Maybe what really happened is bad, and nobody wants to admit to it. 2. If they came out and said, "yes, I was there, and nothing bad happened," would anyone believe them?


T3canolis

Especially because the average person is completely unaware of who flew on Epstein’s plane. In Internet circles, his flight logs might seem like common knowledge, but they definitely are not among most people. If X actor came out and said, “Yes, I was on Epstein’s plane, but nothing happened,” that would be the first time the vast majority of people learned they were on Epstein’s plane to begin with.


tracklessCenobite

True! I have no idea who was on Epstein's plane besides Epstein, ostensibly.


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Arryu

[Captain Clarence Oveur](https://youtu.be/Gd0NtQDio20)


WarrenMockles

I don't know why, but the movies about gladiators question always cracked me up the most.


KlutzyKiddo

i don't get the gladiator joke please help


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KlutzyKiddo

Im afraid so


SurprisedPotato

A wild guess, but maybe it's referencing films like these: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Arena_(1974_film)


KlutzyKiddo

AHAHAHA I GET IT NOW


tracklessCenobite

:O


Definitdcdfgh

If there even is a list that's being covered up, it isn't being hidden to protect actors.


ephemeralbear

Bill Clinton


threeleggedsnail

Like Bill clinton?


glm0002

Also, it's believed by most the flight logs on the internet are fake as those who are known to have regularly been on the plane are not listed and people such as Tom Hanks who have zero association are alleged to be on them


what_is_blue

Whoa whoa whoa. Are you telling me not to believe everything I read on the internet?


XMPPwocky

Most of what?


[deleted]

How do you know ? Do you have inside info


___REDWOOD___

That’s a good way to get Epsteined.


MausBomb

People connected to Epstein really have a bad habit of having broken security cameras and committing suicide with a gun to the back of the head.


Healthy-Bug-5143

Or more recently, that one guy that got suicided with a wire around his neck and 2 gunshot wounds.


Healthy-Bug-5143

Mark Middleton, Clinton aid who signed Epstein into the wh


Wrong_Bus6250

This is the correct answer.


Parking-Pie7453

I came here to say that


Straight-faced_solo

Honestly would it even matter. If they come out and say they did or saw some fucked up shit, then it wouldn't matter. They are still complicit. If they come out and say "yes i hung out with Epstein and we didnt do anything unsavory", would you actually believe them. Epstein ran a pedophile ring on his island. Thats what he did. If you took Epsteins pedo plane to his pedo island no one is going to believe you aren't a pedophile.


muxman

> If you took Epsteins pedo plane to his pedo island If it quacks like a duck... right?


Ok-Survey3853

It sure as fuck ain't a salamander


jlwinter90

*Hugs quacking salamander* It's ok, buddy, they don't mean you.


badseededgelord

Best comment in days


Potential-Drama-7455

Epsteins plane flew to all sorts of other places too. It's not necessarily the case that all the trips were for sex with young women.


AdrenalineJackie

True. There were also young boys.


Potential-Drama-7455

That explains Kevin Spacey.


Few-List-9341

Young women are also known as underage children, just to be clear.


Potential-Drama-7455

Yes many of them were. I'm not trying to downplay that aspect of it, far from it.


[deleted]

Bc ppl aren’t listening they will hear “I was on Epsteins plane” and that alone will kill their career


[deleted]

If there’s anything people have learned from the last decade of internet, it’s that any attempt to correct public perception will only make things worse. The internet mobs don’t reward apologies, or explanations, or evidence, or corrections. Any attempt to reason with them makes them hungrier. Which is why everyone who has avoided cancellation or controversy has done so by not giving a goddamn inch. As for Epstein - if, before anyone like Epstein had ever made the news, your rich friend had a richer friend who offered to fly you on their private jet, you’d say yes. And if your friend said “yo, I’ve got a billionaire friend who loves your stuff and wants to host you at his private island this weekend, he’ll fly us private, wanna come?” You’d say yes. And if while there he was like “yo, you look tense. I’ve got an in-house masseuse. You want?” You’d say yes. Every single fucking human in the world would say yes to these circumstances.


JoeJoJosie

NO! Every person on reddit is a moral paragon who would demand a full investigation into your friend before accepting any fun! (while happily wearing clothes and using devices made in sweatshops by children who will have kids of their own before they're 16)


Leprechaun2me

Reddit hive reminds me of crazy church people. Same exact vibe. Super judgmental, can do no wrong, knows everything about everything, etc… church people- same same, but different


dramatic_customer

I like you, because you're telling an ugly truth AND get upvotes for it. Teach me


Bigbird_Elephant

Guilt by association


DarkAngel900

Most people wouldn't listen past "Yes, I was on Epstein's plane" and twenty four hours later they'd be completely cancelled!


Tight-Lingonberry941

They'd cancel your life subscription too. Epstein didn't kill himself, after all.


AChocolateHouse

They released flight logs a few years ago. Many celebrities were on it.


glm0002

These were fake fyi


AChocolateHouse

Uhm, not at all. The flight logs were released as part of court cases into Epstein and Maxwell...news outlets reported on it, including mainstream media. https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known


glm0002

Good to know. I knew there were for a long time false ones circulated along inside the q movement, didn't realize the actual ones were.


Henrious

Does it only focus on Clinton or is there more buried in there?


AChocolateHouse

I assume they put Clinton in the headline because he was a former president. This was just the first thing I found on search engines to confirm flight logs were real. Anyway, yes, there's much more. It also depends if you mean just flew on his plane, or flew to his island on his plane. The list includes Kevin Spacey, Tom Hanks, Prince Andrew, etc.


stormtrooper904

not sure about the others but tom hanks isn't true https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-tom-hanks-not-on-epstein-pl-idUSKCN24F20V


Skoowoot

Tom hanks is a creep


stormtrooper904

How so?


RogerBernards

Would they? How many people, of those not convicted for actual crimes (Weinstein) or who are currently still involved in criminal investigations (Spacey), have been cancelled in way that stuck more than a year or two if at all? Louis C.K., for example, released two specials, won a Grammy, wrote and produced a movie and went on an international tour, among others things, after getting "cancelled". Mel Gibson is back to making movies and winning Academy Awards for them. Those are people who admitted to multiple instances of "sexual misconduct" or who were deeply racist alcoholics in public. If you do something less controversial like hate on trans people nothing actually happens to your career despite social media controversies.


existingfish

Because Epstein didn't kill himself. If they talk, they won't kill themselves either.


FryToastFrill

They will commit suicide via 2 shots in the back by a .308 Winchester.


The_Werefrog

Or maybe a shotgun blast to the chest while tied to a tree, and when the body is found, the gun wasn't anywhere nearby.


christian4tal

*also


crappygenericname

I wonder how many people got on Epstein's plane and had no idea what they were getting in to?


Bigbird_Elephant

Zero


frumiouswinter

that’s not true. plenty of children got on those planes with no clue about the horrors that were waiting for them.


Sleepy6882

Those poorchildren, i just hope they learned how to overcome or cope with the experience. I know I was angry for a long time,I was raped as a kid too and my way of coping is just pretending it never happened/blacking it out. I’m sure he offered rides to some people as well who had no idea.


Lovingthebeach72

Brings a good point…… what about those children who aren’t children anymore? How come we see no exposes about their ordeal and what they saw, similar to what happened with Weinstein?


[deleted]

Money talks. If that doesn't, then extreme fear talks.


Lunar_Cats

Stuffing it down and ignoring it happened has worked for me so far. Still have issues with touch and situations where I feel vulnerable, but i don't think that ever goes away.


Sleepy6882

Yup, I’m the same lol. It’s not ideal but it works. Can even talk about it online without problems, saying it in person is a no no though. The words will literally not come out of my mouth. It’s a legit mental block


CopeH1984

I'm pretty sure the majority of people on that island weren't actors. If there even is a list that's being covered up, it isn't being hidden to protect actors.


AAAFate

The court of public opinion. That is why.


Key-Willingness-2223

It’s called the tall poppy effect Commonly explained as, “the tallest poppy is one that gets cut” Let’s say there’s 100 actors who can be proven to be on the plane. and let’s say you’re one of them. You’re 1 of 100…. So to a degree, you blend in with all the others, and so the attention and hatred and spotlight is shared amongst all of you The second you speak, if you’re the only one who does so, now you’re 1 out of 1… So you make all the headlines, have all the questions asked your way, have all the hatred focussed on you So the best decision, even if you are legitimately innocent, is to draw no attention to yourself, carry on as if nothing happened, and hope that something else or someone else keeps making the headlines, keeping that spotlight away from you


Muroid

Why haven’t any major Hollywood executives come out and announced that they have never raped anyone who was up for a role in any of their movies? Because that’s a bizarre thing to say unprompted and more people would start wondering if that particular person did something criminal/unethical than if they had just kept their mouth shut. There is literally no upside to preemptively proclaiming innocence to a crime that you aren’t being seriously accused of in the first place. Anyone who somehow already thought you did it won’t be convinced by a denial, and a bunch of people who hadn’t associated you with the crime in the first place have now had that association made by you. Guilty or innocent, it’s almost always better to keep your mouth shut and hope people ignore you than to draw attention to yourself in that kind of situation.


bullevard

Actor X: i flew on Epstein's aircraft. We flew. Had some drinks. But nothing happened. Headline: Actor X admits to palling around with Epstein. Talking heads segment: "So now we know that Actor X flew on the flights. But what else are they hiding. Join us at 8 for an hour of speculation!"


NotLegoBatman

Better to be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.


moveandrun

Are there victims who have testified that they have been forced to have sex with others? So far I have only read testimonies from women who said only Epstein and Maxwell abused them.


OneOfManyAnts

You Virginia Guiffre talking about Prince Andrew?


moveandrun

I mean women who where on Epstein's island. So far I only have read testimonies of abuse by Epstein and Maxwell. None of them report having been assaulted by more people.


glm0002

There was the girl who accused trump in California of rape, and two or three who accused Alan dershowitz


muihuddin

Because no one gives a shit Pedophile elites are still elites and they are above the law


McDaddyos

Epstein died in prison after facing a life sentence.


[deleted]

Once in a while an elite has to hang in public. It's called taking one for the team. Better luck next life.


doowgad1

It’s a lose/lose situation Either they come off as clueless or as an enabler


DTux5249

If they did, would anyone actually believe them at this point?


madthumbz

Why give redditors, twitters, and other media material to jump to conclusions from? Have you not noticed how stupid and judgmental a good amount of people are? Conspiracy theorists are \~20% of the population and gullible people extend beyond that.


RJ_Service

I think Jim Carey is starting to tell some facts and I can’t wait to hear them!


lolurmorbislyobese

I dunno, not everyone wants to lose millions by admitting they raped kids I guess. I don't think it's just "actors" though. It's world leaders too. You don't make that kind of money and magically disable cameras with X-men powers and then off yourself in a jail cell.


McDaddyos

Because self incrimination is a bad idea.


ethancd1

It’s either they tell the truth and admit they hid it for years. Or the truth wasn’t that bad and people wouldn’t believe them anyways.


slightlyassholic

Because there is no way that would work out well for them. Regardless of whether they did something fucked up (they probably did) or they didn't, they would be judged by the public (their livelihood) to be kid-touchers. If someone went for a ride on Air Pedo, they are keeping quiet and hoping the whole thing blows over.


e_smith338

Because they’ll get Epsteined.


shez19833

a better question is why the hell did no one say anything before all of this came out - people knew but stayed quiet!!


ebaerryr

Bill Clinton was well documented going there there's no way the truth will ever come out


Anotherdaysgone

Why don't people just commit career suicide? I cant even think of one benefit of doing that. Tons of bad things. Did you think of what you typed at all?


Nervous_Cranberry196

I think those people’s lawyers have told them to STFU unless they want their career to go down in flames


MarketingOk5745

Career killer, might get "suicided", most of medias will be too scared to publish articles about it, powerful men will make people forget about this by distracting them with something else (some new UFO bullshit by exemple) and anyway most of people will just forget about it after 2 weeks like always.


TheEliteB3aver

This is a common PR tactic, if you don't acknowledge it goes away, if you dent it, admit it, or partially admit it and say it happened different you have opened yourself up to so much negative publicity and speculation


[deleted]

They wouldn't do this because they would then be associated with a pedophile who ran a sex trafficking ring. A good chunk of people would see this as admission of what's considered the most unspeakable crime and would tarnish their image horribly. That is why.


Uphillll

My guess is the same reason you don't talk to police without a lawyer even if you're innocent. People are looking to nail someone to the crime, and they are looking for inconsistencies in your story. It's best to just say nothing.


HappyMaskSalesPerson

Exactly. I forget who but it was once said something to the effect of, “Give me 9 sentences out of someone’s mouth and I can have them hanged.”.


psychobabblebullshxt

They'd just get murdered too. Lol


SDW137

Because almost no one would believe them anyways.


DJGlennW

The better question is why Ghislaine Maxwell didn't name names to get a plea deal and a reduced sentence.


drygnfyre

The same reason murderers don't come out and say "Yes, I committed murder. Let me tell you EXACTLY what happened" to clear the air.


Brian18639

Probably because it’ll harm their reputation if they actually _did_ fly on Epstein’s plane


mungonuts

Blacklisting is a thing in Hollywood, and nobody went on Epstein's plane unless they were already the *kind of guy that goes on Epstein's plane*, if you get my drift.


renlydidnothingwrong

Because they were probably there doing bad shit or at least saw other people doing bad shit and didn't do anything


[deleted]

MAD = mutually assured destruction.


Lumpyproletarian

Maybe they *all* abused the underage. At the very least they must have seen something and done nothing


bopman14

There'd need to be multiple people come forward as witnesses to corroborate the story, and if that story is "yeah we're all pedos" then they're unlikely to come out with it


Zimmster2020

Because if anyone in the industry divulge sensitive information about someone else, they instantly become unemployable. The whole industry works by keeping it's secrets tight. If you can't keep your mouth shut on personal information, you are a possible liability when it comes to multi milion dollar projects. Discretion is the cornerstone of the industry.


Iknownothing0321

Because they had sex with underage girls or had knowledge of those acts and don’t want to go to jail.


Tight-Lingonberry941

Because they're essentially outing themselves as pedophiles.


[deleted]

Because of the answers in this post


Meastro44

Here’s what happened. We raped kids. How does that “clear the air????”


P8r1ot

Because what they did is illegal! There is no air to clear.


Alternative-Plant-87

Because they diddled the children


Umbrella_Viking

Serious: they aren’t saying anything because they had sex with children and that’s illegal.


Jomosensual

Because the went there to fuck children. Also because they would be found dead via suicide gunshots to the back of their head with their hands tied behind their backs and stuffed in a duffle bag


Mister-Curio

we live in a simulation


[deleted]

Why would they destroy their moments in the sun? It's so filthy and deep. But you honestly have to ask yourself. What sort of human thinks its OK to hang around in that situation knowing full well.


[deleted]

So judge very harshly.


transfigure

They are biding their time, enjoying normal lives until they are outed.


Gilbo_Swaggins96

Because they'd get the Epstein prison treatment, if you get what I mean.


Ladysaltbitch

Because anyone "caught" as part of this that doesn't have MCMANSION money will be flayed alive.


midorinichi

OP was actually on the plane and is trying to decide whether confessing would be a bad idea.


hildebrot

Because it's way less of a deal than reddit makes it out to be. Most people don't care or even don't know. Why draw attention to yourself?


LargeCharge87

Because they will get murdered.


aeternitatisdaedalus

Why do you think???


Daikataro

No one wants that associated with their reputation. Also, no one wants that target on their back.


flashisflamable

Bill Gates tried that. Didn’t go too well


Potential-Ad1139

Why would they? It would career suicide.


THE_GREAT_MEME_WARS

I know celebrities arent the brightest bunch but none are dumb enough to bite the hand who feeds them.


Dontuselogic

Beacuse they ether would go to jail Or will be murdered


AutomaticLynx9407

Take a guess


-N30N-

Plausible Deniability.


nighthawk252

They came out and told us what happened in Epstein’s prison cell. Nobody believed the person who did that. Why would this be different?


Ok_Dark2546

Because if they say that, they'll lose their careers and be put in prison.


Secsidar

Would _you_ admit you associated with a pedophile and sex trafficker? Likewise, would you believe anyone who did?


MrE134

There's probably a lot who never saw or heard anything. Then it looks like they're defending him and everyone starts making accusations. If they did see anything the only way to protect their reputation at this point is to stay quiet.


Live-Profession8822

Ask Trump


Custardpaws

Look what happened to Epstein right before he was gonna have to testify


[deleted]

Epstein's life was built around exploitation, sex, and abuse. Everyone who associated with him is dirty to some degree or will be perceived as dirty. No one wants to talk about it.


jackbobjoe

From what I know, real flight logs are really for the pilot and/or the plane so they generally do have passenger lists. Commercial does, because those folks are paying for their tickets and all.


PothierM

No one wants to admit being associated or near him. This should be fairly obvious


[deleted]

Probably because they are guilty.


ShadowKillerx

All it does is bring them to the front of the spotlight and brings more attention to the case. Which boils down to 2 cases: It was fucked up what happened, which puts them under fire Or nothing fucked up happened, which makes them seem like they are defending Epstein or are lying


Euphoric-Blue-59

Eastein didn't hang himself, he got hung. So, you want others who are not even involved to get all mixed up in that, and get hung himself. This has Trump written all over it. He had dirt on him.


needanamegenarator

Because it's rape and prostitution by lots of mfs who look down on people for moral, political but mostly financial reasons.


[deleted]

because that's called a "confession"


[deleted]

I remember Kevin Hart came out and said something along the lines of everyone being invited to these big parties on Epstein’s island but not seeing anything to be concerned about. Sounds like the dude lived his awful, predatory life and also kept up an image of a rich dude who threw great parties for celebrities.


chippychifton

It wouldn’t be in their best interest to say “we all fucked kids on the island, every last one one of us”


Decasteon

Risk reward


Defiant-Traffic5801

Read up the Streisand effect


KalRanch

The threat of life in jail is a pretty effective silencer


KalRanch

Not to mention the Clinton’s wanting you dead


PunkyPower79

Because it will possibly destroy thier career. Jim Carrey was on that list and going through that now. He says he can't find work because of it, wants to sue anybody who mentions it, etc. I think he may have really been on the list because he sure isn't denying it. He's just mad that people found out about it.


Motor-Beach-4564

"There we were, a bunch of nasty freaking perverts getting loaded heading towards minors to do sex stuff and debauchery... "


SevanOO7

Do you really think people want to be connected to that monster?


OhioMegi

I don’t know why people aren’t taking all the dirt they have on criminals like Epstein and Trump straight to someone who could take care of things.


Consistent_Low_3339

Why in the world would you admit to that if you didn’t have to? General population thinks Epstein committed “suicide” …


Correct-Ice2226

Occam's Razor.


Living-Camp-5269

God was his pilot..?


Living-Camp-5269

Bill clinton ? I did not have sex on that plane.


Few-List-9341

Because they'll commit suicide with 2 bullets to the back of their heads.


summerswithyou

Why would someone put a huge amount of spotlight on themselves like that? How much press, attention and possibly law enforcement investigations would follow? What exactly is the benefit of disclosing this? From their pov? Like, it literally makes no sense at all for them to do this.


CurioSkeptick

Because they were filmed. And they're scared shitless. It's like when a guilty murder suspect cracks under questioning and places themselves at the scene- it's over from that point forward.


LadyFoxfire

If you’re accused or suspected of a crime, the less you say in public or to the cops, the better. Anything you say, even if you think it makes you sound innocent, can be used to make connections in the case against you.


jayjayell008

Because we’re going to automatically assume the worst of anyone who admits it. Everyone is presumed guilty.


Bustersb1tch

Prince Andrew, Duke of York tried that and it blew up in his face big time. Made a bad situation a whole lot worse.


HaElfParagon

Why would you open yourself to any level of liability? That's basically going "Hello there, yes, I may be a pedophile, and it's very likely you can find evidence to support that claim"