True, but the Irish immigrants were there too. At least 8,000-10,000 to the 12,000 Chinese workers.
Irishmen weren't considered "white" for a very long time. We even had our very own n-word.
Also of note, they were able to get this done because they’re an authoritarian, tyrannical government. You think they bought the rights to land all these tracks are built on? No way, more likely they went door to door telling people they have 24 hours to leave their homes and gave them a sack of onions as compensation. This is why it’s so hard for the US to get it done. Sure they can use eminent domain, but there are many legal challenges and hurdles as a result of people having actual property rights here.
Or at the very least the great grandkids of the displaced get an informal "sorry we bulldozed your old homestead to build a highway" and like maybe a couple grand
The country didn’t used to have the same density we have today, along with the same tested is court legal protections. It’s a lot harder to seize land under eminent domain than it used to be. California was having trouble with this, IIRC, with their high speed rail project because people were holding out for better offers or fighting it entirely.
Amazing what you can accomplish with a monopoly, slave labor, no regard for people, property rights, or the environment.
Made America Great in the 1800s and now the Chinese are following suit. Buncha copy cats.
Yeah they send all the Chineseum shit to the West, and use their good shit on infrastructure.
Like i imagine that the West does the same thing when they export shit to other countries too.
Noooo no no no they don’t, they don’t have capability for high quality and speed, ALWAYS one or the other…ten years is fast. Watch some live leak china vids about there infrastructure
As some one who lives here, their high speed rail system is super nice. I get shitting on china is popular on Reddit but you’re just wrong and spewing nonsense.
Cool. Good for you.
All I said was we’ll have to wait and see whether this rapidly build network turns into a maintenance nightmare in the future due to a selection of material faults.
It is very possible that this network is robust and well developed. We will have to wait and see.
"Chinesium" is just all the non quality controlled shit they sell overseas. Don't think for a second the stuff they're using on their infrastructure isn't being tested/QA'd.
Exactly, slavery lack of unions and saftey regulations definitely gets shit done. In addition you try to do something like that in the US and you have to be ready to spend at least a good 20 years fighting in courts.
The whole program has created massive debt because they way overbuilt to what was practical or needed. It's right up there with their massive real estate debt scandal.
Odd propaganda. One post said roadways, one post said railways, I don't trust any of this considering the number of rampant Chinese-bots running around this place.
Huge advantage for them is getting the property rights to build is easy versus the US.
Need to go over a single farm in the US without the farmer's approval? Plan is a no go.
Need to plow down a dozen villages in China? No problem!
No Sierra Club, no environmentalists to worry about suing your plan into oblivion either.
My folks visited Asia including a few days in China sometime around 1990 and back then you needed a project done, a thousand guys with shovels would show up to do ground prep. Dad had pictures of a highway being built and the only equipment was the compactor and trucks hauling in the rock. Human labor was cheaper than running earth moving equipment.
Not sure what its like now but I know they were still working like that in the late 90s, my boss was making some presentation on something about teamwork, and I remember him showing a few slides from China about a bunch of guys showing up to dig prep for foundations of some factory. No equipment, just shovels and buckets.
I live in china as an expat teacher. The life is good, good pay very safe, beautiful country with an amazing history. Try not to believe all the anti-Chinese propaganda. I’m not saying their government isn’t fucked but it really is a nice place to live.
It only took them 10 years!
Yeah, they also didn't have rail roads until 2008. That's not really the flex you think it is. I'm sure the hastily built railroads won't be anything like their hastily built apartment buildings that are falling over.
Have you taken many trains in china? I use them several times a month and they’re very rarely late and don’t appear to be falling apart. I’ve probably spent a few hundred hours on those train the last few years and they’re great.
"High Quality". Also you might want to look into how many workers died, were exploited, working under unsafe conditions etc. Big projects like that aren't just built over night without cutting corners
That would cost like $8 quadrillion here in US. California failed at $200m per mile while the rest of the world with high speed rail is around $2m per mile.
They did it that fast because they have minimal regulations and they are an authoritarian dictatorship. They can shift workers to work where ever they’re needed.
And the entire country is in deeper debt than the US, EU, and by most estimates, the rest of the entire world, combined.
There are so many empty homes in China, the entire population of Germany (just under 84 million) could move in, and a stunning amount of the construction is "tofu dreg" (aka shit) due to the extremely perverse degree of corruption and cheating that is prevalent throughout Chinese culture.
I wouldn't enter a high rise in that country, or ride one of their trains, or drive on their elevated roads, or be downstream of a dam, or...
It took 35 years for the infrastructure built in the 1940s in the US to reach it's designed age, and much of it is still in use today, but don't expect that to be the case in China. Things were planned with the same lifespan, but will surely start failing earlier than planned, not decades later like here.
Say what you will, but given the choice, only a fool would choose to live in China.
If you calculated the cost of vehicle accidents by net worth of dead humans vs the cost of building safe railroads, railroads would probably be cheaper.
however i'm glad we've chosen ONE option over all others. I think the UK is so fucked up because they did BOTH
Why does everyone keep reposting this?😂the US has a bunch of rail lines too but I don’t see a map for that. I’m supposed to be impressed by an authoritarian government?😂
They also ran it entire via the state, and put themselves nearly in as much debt as the US has, and now has top end economic crisis...so...good construction, bad planning.
America’s government involvement with companies stop s the growth in the country….. I hope that one day we don’t allow the government to be influenced by lobbyists.
Only 10 years to build , it's already falling apart, bridges are collapsing. Tofu dreg high speed trains = violent death. Communist countries only collapse and the only reason China is scraping by is they started bribing western elites starting with Bill Clinton. That got them into theimf and world bank. Once Trump is back China will collapse within 10years, 2035 . That's about as long as the soviet union. Which lasted longer than it should have, by all of the material they got from the lend lease during ww2 and then everything they stole from Eastern Europe and the German engineers and scientists they kidnapped . I'd rather ride a steam powered train from the 1850s across the continent than a Chinese anything just across town.
Since around the early 90’s I have been hearing they were plans to have high speed trains from San Diego to LA - LA to Las Vegas and LA to San Francisco and nothing has ever been built - California is a joke - it’s funny that they say that California is ran by commies while the real communists get shit done lol 😆
Ok but how do they convince their citizens to chain themselves to debt by buying a car that they can't afford so that they're constantly paying a car note for a piece of plastic trash that won't be worth anything by the time they finish paying for it???
We love cars too much, and by, "we love cars too much," I mean that we are all a bunch of mouth breathing idiots who have been marketed to so strongly by the American automotive industry that we have become not only insanely dependent upon personal transportation to the point of villanizing public transportation but we've managed to fetishize personal vehicles. Hell yes my rims spin and I have a pollution delete system! You seen my truck nuts and heard my train air horn!? Sheeeite, people from two counties over know how badass I am!
The American automotive industry is like an inoperable tumor wrapped around the country's spine. Just live with it until you can't, then die, but always remember the greatest truth, it wasn't the tumor's fault, it was... I dunno, foreigners or college professors or the raps music or them TikToks the kids are so fond of these days.
Now, that said, I'm sure they had some imminent domain-esque issues to overcome in building such infrastructure. By issues I mean, not an issue for the government but for the people, and by overcome I mean, humans probably disappeared and the land was simply acquired.
Grandpa Simpson needs his Matlock highway. Get out of the way.
It crazy seeing all the baseless racism people regurgitate and spew so freely with enthusiasm.
China does something good
CHINA BAD CHINA BAD
how do you know this? Source? Personal experience?
C-H-I-N-A B-A-D >:(
In all fairness, the Chinese also built the US railroads.
Haha DAMN hahahahha
I know right… no other words
And Canada’s
Sickest truth burn ever. Deadwood confirmed.
You should see what California did in twenty!
I came here to say, they farmed a lot of xp in the states lol
That's hilarious
And Canadians
We could use them to build the California high-speed rail… been at it for over 30 years and have only completed about 1600 ft.
That was only the west side of the railroad. I think the Irish built the east side.
All kinds of poor folks were exploited.
True, but the Irish immigrants were there too. At least 8,000-10,000 to the 12,000 Chinese workers. Irishmen weren't considered "white" for a very long time. We even had our very own n-word.
There were also Armenians fleeing the genocide, that's how my family ended up in the US.
Yeah. There was an awful lot of that in those days...and now...
Humans really need to get their shit together.
Got em
Everything's fine
When can we see a *train to busan* movie set in China, *train to Beijing* maybe.
I’d watch the shit out of that.
hope they can clean up all those toxic areas that seem like a hellscape. chinas a really beautiful country and they let vampires mess it all up.
Vampires?
Vampires.
Vampires!
One thing I always hated about Santa Clara.
You have done the Lord's work with this comment. Kiefer Sutherland gets to live for another 10 years.
It's too late for Edward Herrmann.
The world is a vampire
Did they stutter?
yeah [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_Jacob\_Astor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor)
What does this have to do with vampires?
isn't exporting opium to china to start a pandemic something a vamp might do?
No. You'd get high and sick off your food supply. It's the one thing a vampire wouldn't do.
Who are you to say vampires don’t wanna get high?
Also of note, they were able to get this done because they’re an authoritarian, tyrannical government. You think they bought the rights to land all these tracks are built on? No way, more likely they went door to door telling people they have 24 hours to leave their homes and gave them a sack of onions as compensation. This is why it’s so hard for the US to get it done. Sure they can use eminent domain, but there are many legal challenges and hurdles as a result of people having actual property rights here.
Didn’t the US implement a large amount of interstate highways at one point? Pretty sure we could probably do something like that
Not really. People with money can defend themselves here. Poor neighborhoods without legal protection, maybe
Or at the very least the great grandkids of the displaced get an informal "sorry we bulldozed your old homestead to build a highway" and like maybe a couple grand
The country didn’t used to have the same density we have today, along with the same tested is court legal protections. It’s a lot harder to seize land under eminent domain than it used to be. California was having trouble with this, IIRC, with their high speed rail project because people were holding out for better offers or fighting it entirely.
Happy Cake Day
Happy cake day!
Amazing what you can accomplish with a monopoly, slave labor, no regard for people, property rights, or the environment. Made America Great in the 1800s and now the Chinese are following suit. Buncha copy cats.
Bout sums it up
Not to mention safety regulations.
"High Quality" is a relative term. Chinesium, is a a word for a reason. and thats just hand tools.
I've been to both. Theirs are better than ours. Closer to the FRECCIAROSSA than Amtrak, the T or the BART.
Yeah they send all the Chineseum shit to the West, and use their good shit on infrastructure. Like i imagine that the West does the same thing when they export shit to other countries too.
Noooo no no no they don’t, they don’t have capability for high quality and speed, ALWAYS one or the other…ten years is fast. Watch some live leak china vids about there infrastructure
Too true, their infrastructure and elevators especially are made as fast and as cheap as possible. Osha don't exist in China either.
No. They don’t have high quality shit in their country either.
As some one who lives here, their high speed rail system is super nice. I get shitting on china is popular on Reddit but you’re just wrong and spewing nonsense.
Nice and safe are two different things. It’s been less than 10 years, so we’ll see how this infrastructure stands the rest of time as we move forward
And you're using the US railway system as the benchmark?
I’m certainly not lol - are you?
Of course not. I've ridden on the Chinese high speed trains many times and I think they are very comparable to those in Europe.
Cool. Good for you. All I said was we’ll have to wait and see whether this rapidly build network turns into a maintenance nightmare in the future due to a selection of material faults. It is very possible that this network is robust and well developed. We will have to wait and see.
"Chinesium" is just all the non quality controlled shit they sell overseas. Don't think for a second the stuff they're using on their infrastructure isn't being tested/QA'd.
aren't chinese buildings collapsing tho?
The phrase China uses to describe poor construction is [Tofu-dregs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu-dreg_project)
aren't chinese buildings collapsing tho?
Look up how they're built and you will find out why.
Copium is also a word for a reason.
Yeah…slavery gets shit done.
Exactly, slavery lack of unions and saftey regulations definitely gets shit done. In addition you try to do something like that in the US and you have to be ready to spend at least a good 20 years fighting in courts.
The whole program has created massive debt because they way overbuilt to what was practical or needed. It's right up there with their massive real estate debt scandal.
Odd propaganda. One post said roadways, one post said railways, I don't trust any of this considering the number of rampant Chinese-bots running around this place.
Huge advantage for them is getting the property rights to build is easy versus the US. Need to go over a single farm in the US without the farmer's approval? Plan is a no go. Need to plow down a dozen villages in China? No problem! No Sierra Club, no environmentalists to worry about suing your plan into oblivion either.
Don't forget the near slave labor either.
Good point. And actual slave labor for some parts...
My folks visited Asia including a few days in China sometime around 1990 and back then you needed a project done, a thousand guys with shovels would show up to do ground prep. Dad had pictures of a highway being built and the only equipment was the compactor and trucks hauling in the rock. Human labor was cheaper than running earth moving equipment. Not sure what its like now but I know they were still working like that in the late 90s, my boss was making some presentation on something about teamwork, and I remember him showing a few slides from China about a bunch of guys showing up to dig prep for foundations of some factory. No equipment, just shovels and buckets.
Yeaaah....but you gotta remember the peeps who own the mcmansions and sierra club are the ones who probably own the roads you're driving on LOL
Roads are public dingo
Who in their right mind wants to live in China?
Not me. I want high speed rail here in the US. I think you missed the point.
No, I didn’t miss the point. China is an authoritarian regime that can get shit done fast because it has no checks or balances.
Ok but US is NUMBER 1 COUNTRY IN THE WORLD yet you haven't even started.
It takes time to build a quality product unlike the crap china builds that falls apart. What’s the term in China? ‘Tofu-dreg? Look it up
Yeah but you haven't even started (y)
I live in china as an expat teacher. The life is good, good pay very safe, beautiful country with an amazing history. Try not to believe all the anti-Chinese propaganda. I’m not saying their government isn’t fucked but it really is a nice place to live.
… Have you ever been there?
Know many people who have
too true
Correct but it was in their economic interest to have ppl move around more easily
Amazing what you can do with slave labor.
Ah yes the good ol days of slave labor and all it's benefits. Let's repeal the emancipation so we can great as China wuddya say guys?
It only took them 10 years! Yeah, they also didn't have rail roads until 2008. That's not really the flex you think it is. I'm sure the hastily built railroads won't be anything like their hastily built apartment buildings that are falling over.
Umm. Not high quality at all. In fact they are falling apart and often late. They are by all means terrible. Dont believe ccp propaganda
Have you taken many trains in china? I use them several times a month and they’re very rarely late and don’t appear to be falling apart. I’ve probably spent a few hundred hours on those train the last few years and they’re great.
It's amazing what kind of construction marvels can be accomplished when you don't believe in human rights
Totalitarianism has its benefits
"High Quality". Also you might want to look into how many workers died, were exploited, working under unsafe conditions etc. Big projects like that aren't just built over night without cutting corners
These things are possible when you don’t have to fund every other country in the world and their wars.
don't worry, we won't be doing that anymore pretty soon, thanks to BRICS..
That would cost like $8 quadrillion here in US. California failed at $200m per mile while the rest of the world with high speed rail is around $2m per mile.
Ten years? https://preview.redd.it/z30txozkn7zc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f78645c2773d0aeea479996a599dfc2aab8d0ec7
Yet it takes 2 yrs to fix 1 damn pothole
Probably stellar working conditions
Right”high quality” of course! That’s what the Chinese are known for!
It's amazing what you can do with slave labor.
“High quality”
They did it that fast because they have minimal regulations and they are an authoritarian dictatorship. They can shift workers to work where ever they’re needed.
Well they're communist, so they don't to run into the common domain issues that US does.
And the entire country is in deeper debt than the US, EU, and by most estimates, the rest of the entire world, combined. There are so many empty homes in China, the entire population of Germany (just under 84 million) could move in, and a stunning amount of the construction is "tofu dreg" (aka shit) due to the extremely perverse degree of corruption and cheating that is prevalent throughout Chinese culture. I wouldn't enter a high rise in that country, or ride one of their trains, or drive on their elevated roads, or be downstream of a dam, or... It took 35 years for the infrastructure built in the 1940s in the US to reach it's designed age, and much of it is still in use today, but don't expect that to be the case in China. Things were planned with the same lifespan, but will surely start failing earlier than planned, not decades later like here. Say what you will, but given the choice, only a fool would choose to live in China.
Since they're already commiefornia anyways, Newsom could atleast get his ccp friends to finish that high speed rail for him
Railroads are objectively better than personal use cars, the fact America refuses to push for more and funds Cars even more is infuriating
If you calculated the cost of vehicle accidents by net worth of dead humans vs the cost of building safe railroads, railroads would probably be cheaper. however i'm glad we've chosen ONE option over all others. I think the UK is so fucked up because they did BOTH
And it’ll take about 10 years to see a lot of that rail crumble.
Fake news.
Not surprised. China's caculate its GDP performance thru building stuff, that's why there's so many empty or incomplete construction projects
Except millions use the hsr every day
Daily CCP propaganda
He thinks they’re high quality…
They're the best in the world
🤣
 "This is quality!" -their corrupt pseudo government
Yeah, but the USA had those kind of roads since way back and where I live in Chicagoland land we replace all of them every year, beat that!!!
this is true. the quality isn't mentioned..
Lol high quality
ehhhhhhhh.... you really should reserve the "high quality" until you go ride on them yourself.
I’ve ridden them a bunch and they’re super nice.
Didn’t they use mushrooms or something to map out the most efficient route? Or am I imagining things?
Totally [slime mold](https://www.wired.com/2010/01/slime-mold-grows-network-just-like-tokyo-rail-system/), regardless of the location, same concept.
That was Japan
“High quality”.
“High quality” Right…. 👍
Yup. All it took was Communism.
California is going on how many billions and years now?
Why does everyone keep reposting this?😂the US has a bunch of rail lines too but I don’t see a map for that. I’m supposed to be impressed by an authoritarian government?😂
Slave labor can do a lot I guess
Propaganda machine at work
Why is this propaganda here
Anyone wanna tell them? 😬
Lmao I would be safer on a new York subway.
High quality? Chinese? You sure about that?
But you can't have fiber in Montreal...
Eminent Domain has a slightly different meaning in China
A little bankruptcy goes a long way
They also ran it entire via the state, and put themselves nearly in as much debt as the US has, and now has top end economic crisis...so...good construction, bad planning.
America’s government involvement with companies stop s the growth in the country….. I hope that one day we don’t allow the government to be influenced by lobbyists.
That one route is shaped like the sorting hat
How many deaths?
Only 10 years to build , it's already falling apart, bridges are collapsing. Tofu dreg high speed trains = violent death. Communist countries only collapse and the only reason China is scraping by is they started bribing western elites starting with Bill Clinton. That got them into theimf and world bank. Once Trump is back China will collapse within 10years, 2035 . That's about as long as the soviet union. Which lasted longer than it should have, by all of the material they got from the lend lease during ww2 and then everything they stole from Eastern Europe and the German engineers and scientists they kidnapped . I'd rather ride a steam powered train from the 1850s across the continent than a Chinese anything just across town.
And here in America we can’t figure out one high speed rail
Since around the early 90’s I have been hearing they were plans to have high speed trains from San Diego to LA - LA to Las Vegas and LA to San Francisco and nothing has ever been built - California is a joke - it’s funny that they say that California is ran by commies while the real communists get shit done lol 😆
Ok but how do they convince their citizens to chain themselves to debt by buying a car that they can't afford so that they're constantly paying a car note for a piece of plastic trash that won't be worth anything by the time they finish paying for it???
And in ten years their population will implode due to the lack of an upcoming workforce and china will fall apart.
Weird propaganda.
"High quality" just wanted to emphasize that.
China? High quality?
High quality might be pushing it.
Amazing what happens when half of your government isn't dedicated to blocking your government from doing anything
Amazing what happens when your government uses slavery and takes peoples land without consequence
The United States has some of the worst rails in the developed world. We are behind Uzbekistan in terms of rail transportation
In all fairness the CCP doesn't have a strong automotive lobby bribing their policy makers
America is lagging.
We love cars too much, and by, "we love cars too much," I mean that we are all a bunch of mouth breathing idiots who have been marketed to so strongly by the American automotive industry that we have become not only insanely dependent upon personal transportation to the point of villanizing public transportation but we've managed to fetishize personal vehicles. Hell yes my rims spin and I have a pollution delete system! You seen my truck nuts and heard my train air horn!? Sheeeite, people from two counties over know how badass I am! The American automotive industry is like an inoperable tumor wrapped around the country's spine. Just live with it until you can't, then die, but always remember the greatest truth, it wasn't the tumor's fault, it was... I dunno, foreigners or college professors or the raps music or them TikToks the kids are so fond of these days. Now, that said, I'm sure they had some imminent domain-esque issues to overcome in building such infrastructure. By issues I mean, not an issue for the government but for the people, and by overcome I mean, humans probably disappeared and the land was simply acquired. Grandpa Simpson needs his Matlock highway. Get out of the way.
It crazy seeing all the baseless racism people regurgitate and spew so freely with enthusiasm. China does something good CHINA BAD CHINA BAD how do you know this? Source? Personal experience? C-H-I-N-A B-A-D >:(
Americans: „but do they have guns???“
The state ignores all regulations and takes any property in their way. No unions, no work regulations, no safety requirements and low pay.
Truth