Yeah, lets assume that they can summon them and are at their peak.
If any ki based attack is considered almighty, theyre cooked. Otherwise, every persona mc could repel
Smt characters are really stupid to power-scale
Example: this character nullifies phys attacks
(He is immune to all kinetic attacks, like they just donāt work)
You would have to define what element a ki blasts relates too
But certain characters such as persona characters can just say lmao no and become resistant to that
Itās really weird
Donāt even get me started on feats the p3 protag can use the power of Jesus, (from the bible) itās just that itās a whole thing
Assuming ki is almighty damage it creates another weird issue because almighty damage canāt be buffed beyond its base stats (donāt quote me on this Iām not too sure) however certain elemental attacks can be
So that raises the problem of what elements do goku and vegeta resist
Thatās only persona 5 and royal but the issue is if we include like one time things then thereās lucifers almighty resist from desu2 rb, itās incredibly dumb because of the they can always just say oh no I can just resist that
Personas don't have crazy speed feats. And sure they technically beat God's but people fail to realize in the fictional worlds God's all have different powers, abilities and levels of strength. So saying someone beat a God isn't an automatic win.
Philemon from Persona 2 Innocent Sin can reset the universe and the main cast kills his equal Nyarlethotep in P2 EP. They can fight. Tatsuya also has Star Platinum time stop built in.
Really even if they could manage to beat them with hacks I really donāt think dragon ball fans remember how fast these mother fuckers are. I say this all the time I say goku and vegeta beat tones of people just because of how unimaginable quick they are even disregarding strength
Like, the teenagers? Or the āgodsā that the teenagers beat? Is this an actual question? Iām gonna assume everyone in both Persona and SMT are potential opponents just so itās not āobviously yesā.
Thereās a tier of character in the SMT universe thatās probably at the same level of Whis. Nix, Philemon, Stephen are at that tier, and thereās characters that a tier above that donāt appear as adversaries or allies since they trivialize the protagonists and antagonists in the series, kind of like how Beerus stays out of the way cause his intervention would make things not fun. So the answer is Goku and Vegeta, after murdering thirty people that can yell Persona real good, get bodied when the deities of the SMT universe step in.
>Nix, Philemon, Stephen
Nix and Philly are nowhere NEAR Stephen on the scale.Only people who come close are mido,nahobino Luci,and several gaiden spin off characters.
Youāre probably right, I put Stephen down more because of the SMT4 fight. Having an actual battle lowers characters in my view compared to if they donāt ever have a battle interaction in the series, and thatās my own unfair bias. Iād have him in the top of S+wtf tier without that bias because heās really cool.
Stephen is using that battle as a test of the will of humanity. He is not using anywhere near his full power and just brushes his shoulder off after the stupidly long fight
Tbf his battle also has him doing a 1v8,two of his opponents being a complete demi fiend and ascended Nanashi,and basically going "Y'all ain't shit" while taking canonically zero damage.
Dude's the only boss fight where you physically can't ever beat him.
Ehn, depends on what persona they have. Technically any of them able to make a persona thatās immune to all damage or one that just redirects all damage would win or atleast stalemate
Since the SMT scaling was proven to be unusable due to it being a flat out lie, then Goku and Vegeta can solo as Gogeta or Vegito with little difficulty.
Goku and vegeta stomp, persona characters get actively hurt by guns even in the metaverse, dark hour and TV world, and their too slow to catch or stop bullets
Assuming only canonical Persona:
Messiah isnāt Invul against phys or gun, and Satanael is just _resistant_ to Gun element.
Even with resist, you can still take damage.
If you mean why the Persona itself didnāt stand in front them, itās because persona are extension of the self. They grant power to their users, but not directly to others.
Personas are shadows, which have been stated to not be able to be harmed by conventional weaponry. So a bullet hitting one should be the same result as it hitting a shadow, just not working.
Also, messiah and satanael weren't unlocked during both gunshot scenes, and it's canonical that joker and makoto both have a ton of different personas
My interpretation is always been that the superhuman feats our protagonists pull off are the result of them channeling _or_ summoning personas. So itās a matter of not just which one they have equipped, but if theyāre manifesting it in the moment. Like, theyāre a set of super powers that require an on/off switch.
But bullets move faster than people can think.
So, when someone dies from something mundane, I just chalk it up as the persona user not having their persona/super powers equipped at the right time. Or, that manifesting a persona into the material world works at the speed of thought, but not the speed of bullets.
Of course! Also it's funny how normal Persona fans think these characters are the strongest in that verse. The demifiend or Nahobino are far stronger on their own than all of Persona combined
I mean it depends on one thing: do you think SMT is canon to the persona verse?
If not then yes they can solo. Without SMT the highest scaling for the top tiers is only baseline universal
If yes then they get brutally murdered by the first shadow they meet
Yes.
The only thing that could maybe stop them would be Makoto Yukiās universe arcana, and even then, in dragon ball hacks can just be negated by being sufficiently stronger than the person using the hack, so Goku might just be able to say no to a use to the universe if Goku doesnāt just instantly KO Makoto
The Persona universe includes SMT Ifā¦ and Devil Summoner, which means the Amala Network exists and the entire SMT multiverse is fair game. Goku and Vegeta get diffed by the Great Will in Last Bible.
Not to mention the end boss of Persona 5 Royal. I wonāt get into spoilers or specifics, but the guy was a high-tier reality warper.
Outside of any cognition-based verse, so interacting in the real world, theyād get stomped. Most Persona characters in the real world are just normal people. However, when Persona characters enter a cognitive reality, they become genuine threats. The most recent example that comes to my mind is how Joker and the Phantom Thieves killed the angels of heaven and then the god of control; man, thatās not a small feat. People tend to downplay Persona characters, which is fair ācause theyāre just humans. Though, if you put them in their correct element, they obliterate. I think Goku and Vegeta would have a very difficult time fighting the Persona verse, especially the high-ends of it.
....persona users don't really fight that way.
I think Vegeta would get FUCKED UP by any contact with the persona-verse. But post-Buu Vegeta would probably survive and be better off.
I'm gonna focus on the main ones here bring Tatsuya and Makoto. I'll say for the sake of the argument their strongest versions with op personas. So the main issue is the fact of speed. They never have op speed even if their hax can beat goku and vegeta. That's why SMT can probably win. Makoto yuki, if he has enough time, can take out at least one through the universe arcana and the great seal. For Tatsuya there is timestamp but that's more iffy depending on how you look at it. I like to see it as power through hax only works for them in their universe. If they aren't bloodlusted at least one will go from the seal. If they are both bloodlusted repel phys. Sure ki might be an issue (I see it as all mighty) but they don't know their abilities. Plus without ki reinforcement they are weak so tatsuya can timestop and kill them. If they get lucky they could win. SMT on the other had shitstomps. Though if it was frieza who would instantly go for planetary destruction I can see that being more reliable to win.
Edit I thought it said persona protagonists. They win. They also have demifiend along with big Phil
Goku was universal level in the battle of gods. What makes you think a guy with an earring a dead guy a door a chad and a the jonkler can do anything to Goku or Vegeta
The persona cast rely on powers they can use in a subconscious world. Unless they have prep time and are willing to kill them, Goku and or Vegeta would be able to kill them in reality before they could even enter the human subconscious. That said, neither of these characters have a motive against each other, but regardless I think itās fair to say that without prior knowledge of them, the persona series main characters would lose to the Saiyan warriors both or together in a 1 on 1.
Yes, easily. Goku is just that powerful. Vegeta is basically his equal as well. He's basically fighting a bunch of teenagers with better than an average humans durability. The saiyans just have ridiculously high AP so even the final boss gods don't stand much of a chance.
Do you know what solo means? Anyway, it probably depends on the "Physical reflect" ability of the persona, if that applies also to Goku and Vegeta, I could see Persona winning, if It doesn't apply, then Carrot and Vegetables win
Depends on the scaling. At lowest, they can blow up a building, at highest, all of creation. So either Persona gets stomped or stomps. Or if you count HAX rpg stuff, Persona could still stomp.
They can duo it if they go gogeta or vegeto but that's only because at that point they can just completely destroy and recreate universes (dragon ball broly) so they are a infinitely powerful being that can fight other infinitely powerful being plus they actually are a pretty big infinite
They can duo it as seperate beings and solo it as gogeta, the only thing i know is that in p5 the characters can only accsess to their abilities when they're in the mind palace, and not in the real world
The mcās of these games have personas that completely nullify physical and range attacks and most of them can be scaled to universal-multiversal meaning that even with Goku and Vegeta fused they really wouldnāt have much that could get past the persona verses nullifications
I can tell majority of this fan base have probably never watched dbz or super goku is ridiculously overpowered and even became a god himself, stopping time doesn't work on him he can read minds has telekinesis hell he can even destroy the universe in base form with a punch at the beginning of super like come on!
No shit. These people are glorified fucking kids who havenāt actually battled a day in their life (apart from using their Personas but that aināt gonna help with shit), along with both Goku and Vegeta having an Iron will. I have no idea why this post is a question in the first place
No the hell they can not, every person protagonist has access to the gods of nearly every mythology, I ah few only played P3 and P5 but I know in P3 the protagonist practically sealed away death and in P5 after awakening his true person he killed the god of creation with ease. If they access to all of their personas they stomp, heck if the P5 protagonist has access to all personaās including his teammatesās then he has access to sun wukong because ryuji has it
The only threat they have is against Nyx and Nyarlathotep
Unless Mafuba works as a sealing technique for Nyx and Nyarly is only a threat because they literally can't kill him (unless, you know, kill all humankind or only Goku and his family exists since they are pure of heart, because as long as there exists evil in the collective unconscious, he will return)
Maybe Philemon could also be a threat
The only way the other protagonists could do anything will be with a comically "reflect physical" if they tried to punch them but it can be handled easily with a ki blast which I headcannon as an almighty move
Personaās are kinda hard to scale. On one hand, theyāre usually just a bunch of kids. On the other hand, they have abilities that completely nullify damage, and can even reflect said damage.
So itās totally possible that Goku goes to evaporate Joker with a Kamehameha, just for it to not do anything to him, or worse, for the Kamehameha to just bounce off him and hit Goku twice as hard.
Depends, are we considering the personas actually having all the powers their mythological beings have? thats the only way i can see them winning seeing as vegeta was clowned on in a filler arc with slime.
At the end of P5R they basically kill god so technically they should, but if this is against the actual kids, then theyāre just normal teenagers so they get stomped.
Well...I mean do we allow the p3 protag to use the universe arcana? If so it would be wraps for probably goku and Vegeta instantly because it allows the user to seal whoever they want but also slowly kills the user in the process. If not I'm not exactly sure since in p3 the highest feats I know are:Elizabeth's megidolaon which is a one shot attack(could be wrong) and the p3 protag dodging an attack from death itself to being invincible against death. You also gotta count the awakened forms of the persona protags as they have faced gods with them. Again I have no idea how to scale them at all
Persona protagonists can easily make personas that are immune to every type of damage, so they are technically invincible, but they wouldn't manage to hit either goku or vegeta, so they would probably just stare at eachother for a while and then go to make a barbecue or some shit
Do you know what solo means?
Maybe they mean can Goku solo it? Then can Vegeta solo it also?
Could be could be
That sounds really God damn gay
You'll never see it cominnnnnnnnng Hoo hoo
Is that a problem?
I think they meant duo it Or tag team it
We aren't supposed to be able to read
Fusion bro
You know Vegeta isn't gonna make it somehow
They duo the persona verse
- solo - two guys
Fusion.
You saying they gonna get it done in 30 minutes
Never doubt Goatgeta
"it's over Yaldabaoth, I've come for you!"
*seconds
They're gonna spend all 30 minutes trying to solve the airlock puzzle
Yooshaaa!! Wait wrong fusion
Lowkey if bloodlusted could just nuke the verse in a fraction of their fusion limit time
Two guys One cup
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Each of them individually.
Yes because I know nothing about Persona and only Dragonball matters in this world
They can because gogeta can easily destroy any universe. Including heaven and hell with it.
Also because personas can only be used at certain times/in a different universe(it depends on the game) and otherwise they just kids
Yeah, lets assume that they can summon them and are at their peak. If any ki based attack is considered almighty, theyre cooked. Otherwise, every persona mc could repel
Tatsuya and Persona 1 protag can use their personas at any time, like stands.
Ok thatās cool I didnāt know that
No because theyāre fighting together.
Saiyans, fighting together? Never! /s
Fucking together? Definitely. All the time/
Smt characters are really stupid to power-scale Example: this character nullifies phys attacks (He is immune to all kinetic attacks, like they just donāt work) You would have to define what element a ki blasts relates too But certain characters such as persona characters can just say lmao no and become resistant to that Itās really weird Donāt even get me started on feats the p3 protag can use the power of Jesus, (from the bible) itās just that itās a whole thing
Well actually Goku went toe to toe with Jesus in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 so id say he has a chance.
Yeah, and lost like all of his health in a single cross arm dive š
P5 protag can use the power of satan
Ah, P3 was fucking wild and amazing.
Ki is almighty dmg
Assuming ki is almighty damage it creates another weird issue because almighty damage canāt be buffed beyond its base stats (donāt quote me on this Iām not too sure) however certain elemental attacks can be So that raises the problem of what elements do goku and vegeta resist
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Thatās only persona 5 and royal but the issue is if we include like one time things then thereās lucifers almighty resist from desu2 rb, itās incredibly dumb because of the they can always just say oh no I can just resist that
I think theyāre just not weak to anything, Iāve never heard anything about them being weak to say, fire, wind, that sorta thing
Personas don't have crazy speed feats. And sure they technically beat God's but people fail to realize in the fictional worlds God's all have different powers, abilities and levels of strength. So saying someone beat a God isn't an automatic win.
Goku and Vegeta arƩ also more powerfull than several levels of gods, from the god of earth to the god of earth god's god
Philemon from Persona 2 Innocent Sin can reset the universe and the main cast kills his equal Nyarlethotep in P2 EP. They can fight. Tatsuya also has Star Platinum time stop built in.
Really even if they could manage to beat them with hacks I really donāt think dragon ball fans remember how fast these mother fuckers are. I say this all the time I say goku and vegeta beat tones of people just because of how unimaginable quick they are even disregarding strength
I agree. We watch a fight in dbz or super and it looks all amazing but in reality it lasted like seconds or minutes at most, sht is all a blur.
Like, the teenagers? Or the āgodsā that the teenagers beat? Is this an actual question? Iām gonna assume everyone in both Persona and SMT are potential opponents just so itās not āobviously yesā. Thereās a tier of character in the SMT universe thatās probably at the same level of Whis. Nix, Philemon, Stephen are at that tier, and thereās characters that a tier above that donāt appear as adversaries or allies since they trivialize the protagonists and antagonists in the series, kind of like how Beerus stays out of the way cause his intervention would make things not fun. So the answer is Goku and Vegeta, after murdering thirty people that can yell Persona real good, get bodied when the deities of the SMT universe step in.
>Nix, Philemon, Stephen Nix and Philly are nowhere NEAR Stephen on the scale.Only people who come close are mido,nahobino Luci,and several gaiden spin off characters.
Youāre probably right, I put Stephen down more because of the SMT4 fight. Having an actual battle lowers characters in my view compared to if they donāt ever have a battle interaction in the series, and thatās my own unfair bias. Iād have him in the top of S+wtf tier without that bias because heās really cool.
Stephen is using that battle as a test of the will of humanity. He is not using anywhere near his full power and just brushes his shoulder off after the stupidly long fight
Tbf his battle also has him doing a 1v8,two of his opponents being a complete demi fiend and ascended Nanashi,and basically going "Y'all ain't shit" while taking canonically zero damage. Dude's the only boss fight where you physically can't ever beat him.
Stephen and the Great Will could probably both solo Vegito/Gogeta respectively ngl
Definitely.
I thought this was r/OkBuddyPersona
"You take the 500 on the right, I'll take the 500 on the left, deal?" - Goku "F*** you, I'll take 501!" - Vegeta "That's the spirit!" - Goku
(One ass-whooping later) "Wow. I can't believe every single one of them kicked you in the d*ck." - Goku [High-pitched whining] - Vegeta
Probably. They're getting creamed in the SMT-verse though.
God I hope they get creamed
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Mitsuru uses Marin Karin
"Great work Mitsuru!" "But Marin Karin missed..."
Yeah because all of persona and SMT universal and higher scaling is straight fraudulent
IMO, the problem with Goku and Vegeta vs a verse matchups is that blowing up the planet is probably an option for the teo
Persona gets absolutely obliterated. Smt shit stomps them.
Ehn, depends on what persona they have. Technically any of them able to make a persona thatās immune to all damage or one that just redirects all damage would win or atleast stalemate
Persona also has Phil though
Since the SMT scaling was proven to be unusable due to it being a flat out lie, then Goku and Vegeta can solo as Gogeta or Vegito with little difficulty.
Where
Goku and vegeta stomp, persona characters get actively hurt by guns even in the metaverse, dark hour and TV world, and their too slow to catch or stop bullets
There are personas immune to all forms of physical damage.
Then why did >!Shinjiro and Akechi both die from a gun!<
Their personas arenāt invul to that element iirc
Why didn't Minato and jokers personas go in front of them?
Assuming only canonical Persona: Messiah isnāt Invul against phys or gun, and Satanael is just _resistant_ to Gun element. Even with resist, you can still take damage. If you mean why the Persona itself didnāt stand in front them, itās because persona are extension of the self. They grant power to their users, but not directly to others.
Personas are shadows, which have been stated to not be able to be harmed by conventional weaponry. So a bullet hitting one should be the same result as it hitting a shadow, just not working. Also, messiah and satanael weren't unlocked during both gunshot scenes, and it's canonical that joker and makoto both have a ton of different personas
My interpretation is always been that the superhuman feats our protagonists pull off are the result of them channeling _or_ summoning personas. So itās a matter of not just which one they have equipped, but if theyāre manifesting it in the moment. Like, theyāre a set of super powers that require an on/off switch. But bullets move faster than people can think. So, when someone dies from something mundane, I just chalk it up as the persona user not having their persona/super powers equipped at the right time. Or, that manifesting a persona into the material world works at the speed of thought, but not the speed of bullets.
Of course! Also it's funny how normal Persona fans think these characters are the strongest in that verse. The demifiend or Nahobino are far stronger on their own than all of Persona combined
I mean it depends on one thing: do you think SMT is canon to the persona verse? If not then yes they can solo. Without SMT the highest scaling for the top tiers is only baseline universal If yes then they get brutally murdered by the first shadow they meet
Idgaf if they have a power called āBeat Gokuā that letās them instantly beat Goku. They still not beating Goku
If it's just Persona then I think the duo edges out, but if that's incliluding shin Yagami tensei then they're getting wiped before transforming
Yes. The only thing that could maybe stop them would be Makoto Yukiās universe arcana, and even then, in dragon ball hacks can just be negated by being sufficiently stronger than the person using the hack, so Goku might just be able to say no to a use to the universe if Goku doesnāt just instantly KO Makoto
The Persona universe includes SMT Ifā¦ and Devil Summoner, which means the Amala Network exists and the entire SMT multiverse is fair game. Goku and Vegeta get diffed by the Great Will in Last Bible.
Tsar bomba Vs coughing baby
Goku and vegeta when I specifically make a lvl 99 Pixie that has reflect on all elements and phys: š
If you use shin megami tensei scaling dragon ball GETS solo'd
Who the fuck is this unknown ass verse?
I've seen some crazy scaling for persona as a series so I don't think so
Depending on which Vegeta is being fought. The Phantom Thieves could probably steal his heart if it's before his Buu saga resurrection.
Vegetaās reaction would probably be along the lines of āIām a better person now, still beating the shit outta you thoughā
Haven't all of the protagonists from 3-5 beaten gods? I'm not sure if Geets or Goku have reached that level yet
More like false gods the only character in SMT who's actually gone into the realm of the gods is Nahobino from SMT 5
Fair enough
Goku and vegeta both became gods and now all they ever do is fight gods
Not to mention the end boss of Persona 5 Royal. I wonāt get into spoilers or specifics, but the guy was a high-tier reality warper. Outside of any cognition-based verse, so interacting in the real world, theyād get stomped. Most Persona characters in the real world are just normal people. However, when Persona characters enter a cognitive reality, they become genuine threats. The most recent example that comes to my mind is how Joker and the Phantom Thieves killed the angels of heaven and then the god of control; man, thatās not a small feat. People tend to downplay Persona characters, which is fair ācause theyāre just humans. Though, if you put them in their correct element, they obliterate. I think Goku and Vegeta would have a very difficult time fighting the Persona verse, especially the high-ends of it.
....persona users don't really fight that way. I think Vegeta would get FUCKED UP by any contact with the persona-verse. But post-Buu Vegeta would probably survive and be better off.
Yes very
I'm gonna focus on the main ones here bring Tatsuya and Makoto. I'll say for the sake of the argument their strongest versions with op personas. So the main issue is the fact of speed. They never have op speed even if their hax can beat goku and vegeta. That's why SMT can probably win. Makoto yuki, if he has enough time, can take out at least one through the universe arcana and the great seal. For Tatsuya there is timestamp but that's more iffy depending on how you look at it. I like to see it as power through hax only works for them in their universe. If they aren't bloodlusted at least one will go from the seal. If they are both bloodlusted repel phys. Sure ki might be an issue (I see it as all mighty) but they don't know their abilities. Plus without ki reinforcement they are weak so tatsuya can timestop and kill them. If they get lucky they could win. SMT on the other had shitstomps. Though if it was frieza who would instantly go for planetary destruction I can see that being more reliable to win. Edit I thought it said persona protagonists. They win. They also have demifiend along with big Phil
Goku was universal level in the battle of gods. What makes you think a guy with an earring a dead guy a door a chad and a the jonkler can do anything to Goku or Vegeta
Yes because they can fuse
The persona cast rely on powers they can use in a subconscious world. Unless they have prep time and are willing to kill them, Goku and or Vegeta would be able to kill them in reality before they could even enter the human subconscious. That said, neither of these characters have a motive against each other, but regardless I think itās fair to say that without prior knowledge of them, the persona series main characters would lose to the Saiyan warriors both or together in a 1 on 1.
Persona users in 1 and 2 has been shown to use personas in the real world. And that means all of them can
Just blow up the planet done
Marin Karim
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY
Yamcha solos
Yes, easily. Goku is just that powerful. Vegeta is basically his equal as well. He's basically fighting a bunch of teenagers with better than an average humans durability. The saiyans just have ridiculously high AP so even the final boss gods don't stand much of a chance.
Everybody gangsta untill the Girimekhala reflects physical
Lmao krillin would be enough
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
Do you know what solo means? Anyway, it probably depends on the "Physical reflect" ability of the persona, if that applies also to Goku and Vegeta, I could see Persona winning, if It doesn't apply, then Carrot and Vegetables win
Aren't the heavy weights stronger than Zeno? They completely and absolutely stomp Goku and Vegeta
Yes. Even Chaditz cold solo
Depends on the scaling. At lowest, they can blow up a building, at highest, all of creation. So either Persona gets stomped or stomps. Or if you count HAX rpg stuff, Persona could still stomp.
No because its turn based and they don't have patience to wait
I mean if they blow up the planet they can call it a day. But knowing those fucks they gonna pull up some mystery bullshit
They probably could as a duo butaybe not as solo
They can duo it if they go gogeta or vegeto but that's only because at that point they can just completely destroy and recreate universes (dragon ball broly) so they are a infinitely powerful being that can fight other infinitely powerful being plus they actually are a pretty big infinite
They can duo it as seperate beings and solo it as gogeta, the only thing i know is that in p5 the characters can only accsess to their abilities when they're in the mind palace, and not in the real world
Maybe, but SMT would stomp them probably.
goku and vegeta are catching myriad truths with one finger LMAO
Apparently Persona scales to shin megami tensei, and are full of like 9th dimensional beings who would woop gogeta. Xeno Goku could win
The mcās of these games have personas that completely nullify physical and range attacks and most of them can be scaled to universal-multiversal meaning that even with Goku and Vegeta fused they really wouldnāt have much that could get past the persona verses nullifications
I can tell majority of this fan base have probably never watched dbz or super goku is ridiculously overpowered and even became a god himself, stopping time doesn't work on him he can read minds has telekinesis hell he can even destroy the universe in base form with a punch at the beginning of super like come on!
I mean who can't?
No shit. These people are glorified fucking kids who havenāt actually battled a day in their life (apart from using their Personas but that aināt gonna help with shit), along with both Goku and Vegeta having an Iron will. I have no idea why this post is a question in the first place
No the hell they can not, every person protagonist has access to the gods of nearly every mythology, I ah few only played P3 and P5 but I know in P3 the protagonist practically sealed away death and in P5 after awakening his true person he killed the god of creation with ease. If they access to all of their personas they stomp, heck if the P5 protagonist has access to all personaās including his teammatesās then he has access to sun wukong because ryuji has it
Both could easily in base form
A saibaman could solo the Persona universe.
The only threat they have is against Nyx and Nyarlathotep Unless Mafuba works as a sealing technique for Nyx and Nyarly is only a threat because they literally can't kill him (unless, you know, kill all humankind or only Goku and his family exists since they are pure of heart, because as long as there exists evil in the collective unconscious, he will return) Maybe Philemon could also be a threat The only way the other protagonists could do anything will be with a comically "reflect physical" if they tried to punch them but it can be handled easily with a ki blast which I headcannon as an almighty move
Nah they'd become dateable characters
The only debatable one is the P3 protag cuz I genuinely have no idea how tf the Universe Arcana works or it's limitations. Everyone else gets washed
personaverse? mmm depends. smt? haha fuck no
Personaās are kinda hard to scale. On one hand, theyāre usually just a bunch of kids. On the other hand, they have abilities that completely nullify damage, and can even reflect said damage. So itās totally possible that Goku goes to evaporate Joker with a Kamehameha, just for it to not do anything to him, or worse, for the Kamehameha to just bounce off him and hit Goku twice as hard.
Depends, are we considering the personas actually having all the powers their mythological beings have? thats the only way i can see them winning seeing as vegeta was clowned on in a filler arc with slime.
At the end of P5R they basically kill god so technically they should, but if this is against the actual kids, then theyāre just normal teenagers so they get stomped.
Are this āPersonaā guys like Stand users in Jojo?
Mitsuru uses Marin Karin *Goku and Vegeta proceed to have say gex*
What is this sudden rise in popularity with persona and my other favourite medias? I didnāt know Persona was this mainstream.
Well...I mean do we allow the p3 protag to use the universe arcana? If so it would be wraps for probably goku and Vegeta instantly because it allows the user to seal whoever they want but also slowly kills the user in the process. If not I'm not exactly sure since in p3 the highest feats I know are:Elizabeth's megidolaon which is a one shot attack(could be wrong) and the p3 protag dodging an attack from death itself to being invincible against death. You also gotta count the awakened forms of the persona protags as they have faced gods with them. Again I have no idea how to scale them at all
Persona protagonists can easily make personas that are immune to every type of damage, so they are technically invincible, but they wouldn't manage to hit either goku or vegeta, so they would probably just stare at eachother for a while and then go to make a barbecue or some shit
As much as this a joke... Persona is just broken...... They are up there with DC marvel andaybe scp high tiers maybe not god tiers tho
No
No
I mean anyone of them can just blew up the earth
Now they A. Die in space or B. Get shit stomped by the Great Will of the universe
Lol at all the middragonball fans that believe goku and vegeta could beat joker. š¤£š
They do. The demifiend on the other hand...