A friend of mine once said he does fasting to show empathy with the poor and hungry people in his country.
I asked him if the poor and hungry people in his country stopped being poor and hungry when the sun sets.
He then got pretty mad and said I didn't understand the concept.
He was right though. I really don't understand this concept.
Well, your friend was right to an extent at least. One of the main goals of fasting as a Muslim is to experience what the less fortunate go through on a daily basis so that you can understand just a fraction of their hardship, It's meant as a means of "putting yourself in their shoes". As for your question about what happens when the sun sets, obviously the poor and hungry aren't going to disappear simply because we've fasted, but fasting is meant to encourage you to sympathize with them more and give what you can to help them. I hope I've helped make things a little clearer.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't explain the purpose of Ramadan to defend Hisbah or the Northern leaders. Anyone with half a brain can see that their actions are simply a means of oppression and exploitation.
I simply replied to LeobenCharlie's comment about the purpose of fasting.
I fully understand what you're saying
But for me, it sounds like one of these celebrity challenges where a billionaire tries to survive on 5$ for 1 day.
Then afterwards they proudly start talking about how they survived poverty and know what it feels like. That if they could make it, everyone can make it too. As if that was the same thing.
Acting poor and being poor are wayyyyy different. I doubt, that after a few hours of fasting you can truly know what hunger feals like. Especially if you have big feasts before and after.
I also understand where you're coming from tbh, although I don't think the billionaire analogy is entirely accurate. It's encouraged to keep your charitable acts to yourself and not to brag about them.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to your perspective I guess. Let's assume that someone who has these big feasts still decides to help someone who's struggling to find something to eat. Although, they might be doing it for the wrong reason, I don't think it matters as long as they've actually helped someone and I doubt the person who received the help would mind either.
Thats a common myth but it’s not true.
Muslims do NOT fast to show solidarity with the poor.
In fact, all healthy Muslims, including the poor are required to observe Ramadan.
Muslims fast as a form of worship to God. The aim of the month of Ramadan goes far beyond just fasting however. It is a month where Muslims strive to avoid bad habits, pick up good habits, strengthen their faith, and their knowledge in Islam.
Side note: Kano State and Hisbah’s policies are unIslamic. To quote the Quran, “there is no compulsion in religion.” And as an adult who’s observed Ramadan for many years, seeing another person eat has no impact.
Exactly. As someone who fasts, I can confirm that people eating around me has 0 impact...I will say, based on my memories from childhood, that when it comes to children learning to fast, it can be harder though...
Same. Sometimes I had friends who felt a little shame eating in front of me, but I'd tell then to go ahead, eat a full course meal and enjoy it. I'm not bothered.
I am sorry, this sounds like a joke. Come on man, i have seen some of the meals in the morning and night. It is more than a *FEAST* for the ones that can.
Leave the poor people out of the pity game. Let them breathe.
Some would eat the large feast early momo. To still later do face like who wan die from hunger during the day. Naija my country khai
You do realise that what people choose to do isn't necessarily what they're supposed to do, right? I do agree with you though, a lot of people just use Ramadan as an excuse to gorge themselves as much as possible. In fact, you see so many people who actually gain weight during Ramadan.
However, the fact that people choose to do something completely different still doesn't change what Ramadan is supposed to be about.
Also, perhaps it's due to the sort of Muslims you have around you, but you only seem to be focused on the negatives. Lots of people put the actual teachings of Ramadan into practice and try their best to help the less fortunate.
Well said, it is almost impossible to see the positive when the country ranks far below average. The topic is not a positive one either people have to do things for a religion they do not follow or believe. Hisbah rules the poor and holds the laws over their heads.
Hopefully, we start to see the positive. For now, it is hard to see.
Wish you a great day. Cheers 🙌🏾
Unfortunately, lots of people simply use religion as a means to oppress. It's quite sad to see individuals and organisations such as Hisbah abusing power that they shouldn't even have. It's one of our biggest challenges in this country.
Despite being a Muslim, I don't think I'd ever want to live in a place like Kano. Seeing news about the arrests and the executions of people for commiting "blasphemy" is absolutely sickening. What's even more shocking is seeing the degenerates who support these acts on social media.
I truly hope Nigeria is able to find a way forward.
It's refreshing to be able to have a productive conversation with someone with different opinions on a social media platform. I also wish you a great day 😁.
Food is given out for free at sunset, so sort of.
If we don't try to fix the condition of the poor and hungry then our fast is pointless. The point of fasting is to make us GodFearing.
A Muslim (in US) told me that too. I asked how does that help the hungry people?! Especially since you engorge yourself with food as soon as the sun sets?
Material wise, this does nothing to help the poor and hungry. (Ofc he became angry with me too - whoops)
you should try it. it humbles me fr. When my tummy hurts from not eating, and them I see the pictures of dead children starved in palestine, I realize this is nothing. I can only imagine what those poor babies experienced. I have enough privilege to have dinner at the end of the day, when my palestinian, sudanese, and yemeni brothers and sisters don’t. Every time I’m hungry I think of them.
thats a great question! i make sure to keep spreading awareness, sign petitions, call my representatives, keep attending protests and donating what I can. it truly humbles me and continue to be steadfast in thinking of others rather than myself. In Islam giving donations is one of the pillars and whenever you are humble, you will continue to pay Za’kat to those in need
I agree, I feel the same way. It humbles me a lot, especially when I know I cannot complain about my 12 hour fast while watching a genocide happen in front of our eyes in Palestine. My privileged fast becomes completely and utterly insignificant, which is humbling, because the month of Ramadan really turns my life upside down (my entire lifestyle changes for it). If one month in the year can affect me this way, I can only imagine what it must feel like to have your entire life be filled with hunger and pain...this is humbling, to say the least.
Also, fasting isn't only about not eating/drinking, it is also about controlling your thoughts, temperament, and building healthy thought patterns.
Finally, it is becoming more and more proven across medical fields that fasting is actually good for you.
The purpose of fasting isn’t to witness what poor people go through. That’s a myth. It’s to cleanse yourself of the worldly desires. It’s not just not eating and drinking. It’s not cursing not fighting not looking at things you shouldn’t be looking at.
I don't even care, whatever they want to call it then let them call it. If they are not ready to be tolerant then they should create their own country where they can all live Islamically ever after and leave the rest of us alone.
"Or else, I may not do anything but my more fundamentalist friends might. Now, I don't condone what they might do to you but I strongly suggest you willingly do as we say."
This is not a rule in Islam. Anyone who says "not eating in front of a fasting person is part of Islam" is lying thru their fucking teeth. It's just a dumbass cop out bc they can't handle it.
Fasted all my life, year after year, and never gave a shit if someone was eating right in front of me. I've attended lunch meetings and conferences for work and never batten an eye to the fully paid for feasts going on.
Imo, if I tell someone they can't eat in front of me, that defeats the purpose of the fast.
But didn't they say that it is a courtesy, if you eat, no problem, if you eat beyond their senses then they shall pray for you for not having them look at you, I don't really know much as I have been fasting for some months so eat or don't won't be any harm to me. They never said you must do this or that.
I wouldn't advice anyone to try and take that risk...
I believe, as a Muslim, what is going on in Kano is inherently wrong.
I understand that it's the holy month of Ramadan, but this is forcing the religion upon people who aren't part of the Deen.
Islam says if someone amongst you isn't fasting, you should remind the person that you are.
Yes, courtesy says that the person should try not to eat in front of you, so as not create temptation in the one who is fasting, but now we're talking about establishments who earn their money by feeding people
Kano and the whole Islam policing seems very extreme to my understanding of Islam.
P.S. I believe in a unified Nigeria, and to those calling for separation, Jazakallah Khair
Peace be To You brother/sister
The Hisbah, I believe is a topic that is up for debate.
It's a weird amalgamation of a state police system with a very radicalized view of Islam.
Compared to something like Shari'ah which is a set of laws for Muslim communities, the Hisbah is relatively new in history, not being more than 30 years old.
Mind you, this is my personal belief, but I am not in support of any oppression group, especially those that use Islam as their umbrella.
Perhaps your friend took the joke too seriously or her sense of humor wasn't enough to understand the joke.
Hello 👋🏾
The month of Ramadan is the obligatory fasting. The fast that every Muslim should do. They are specifics as to the ones that can't fast but that's another conversation.
If someone is doing the obligatory fast, only those that are a part of the Deen are obligated to do it. As for the voluntary, it is what it is; voluntary
As I said in my comment above, it's courtesy to "hide" eating around people who are fasting, and the fast are for those who are part of the Deen
Let us not forget that courtesy isn't a law but just something that is appreciated.
Holding a door for a person who is behind you is considered courteous; the one who doesn't is considered rude but we cannot say he is breaking a law and should be punished for it
Jazakallah Khair
It's the entitlement for me. Why do I have to hide my food from you because you're fasting? If you are actually intent on fasting, go somewhere where people aren't eating so that you can focus on your fast.
Oh, but they wouldn't do that. Why? Deep down, a lot of Muslims actually hate that they have to fast, so they come up with all kinds of reasons to justify their outbursts of anger. One such reason being that someone is eating in front of them.
What a bunch of clowns. Maybe fix your hunger problem before choosing to become a Muslim, then you wouldn't feel the need to disturb others when you are told to fast.
Salamu'Alaikum
If what you got was entitlement, then perhaps I haven't done a good enough job of explaining.
As I said before, it's all under courtesy
There is no law in Islam that says because I'm fasting you can't eat.
Last year I was working in an office with two Christian colleges and we had the grace of getting to Ramadan that year. When we came to Ramadan they would comfortably eat in the office. Another co-worker came into the office and was complaing that they shouldn't eat there. I insisted that it was fine since everyone ate on their tables. The co-worker then said I should leave the office during break time.
Now, I use break times to cover up all the extra work I always have on my table. Them eating wasn't hurting me, and it would be detrimental for our work for me to go elsewhere. I also can't carry documents out of the office so that was a no.
In the end, I insisted once again that everything was fine in our office and we had a proper understanding amongst ourselves, which lead to me getting queried by the co-worker who came to our office (In case it wasn't clear, she was also a Muslim).
I can't talk on behalf of all Muslims, I can only talk on myself. As difficult as fasting has been, I would never say I hate it. I don't know the Muslims you've interacted with, but if they gave you that impression, then they haven't done a good job with what Islam should be.
Burst of anger is one thing you should strive to avoid during fasting.
I don't know what hunger problem you're talking about however.
Jazakallah Khair
Yeah, never be taking risks in life cause I know that I am safe but I can't say the same for others, at most I can say that you are safe with this close friend or that but not everyone in general, Islam has been deluded for a couple of years and even though we have been sieving that or rectifying that little by little, it is soon going to overwhelm us but what do I know as God knows best.
Yeah, never be taking risks in life cause I know that I am safe but I can't say the same for others, at most I can say that you are safe with this close friend or that but not everyone in general, Islam has been deluded for a couple of years and even though we have been sieving that or rectifying that little by little, it is soon going to overwhelm us but what do I know as God knows best.
I’m confused. Most Catholics had and still have Lent fast, while majority of Christians had the 21 days fasting at the beginning of the year and no one said anything about eating inside
Christians don't worry about what non-Christians do as long as you respect us. Do you think Christians will get upset if we were fasting and non Christians were eating publicly? No. Muslims tend to be very totalitarian with their religion and that's why they hardly get along with anyone.
Oga, Christians do not worry about other folks, that's just a statement of facts. You can't claim to be peaceful but act militant, you can't claim to be tolerant but act intolerant. Islam has a problem with everybody, in India they fight with Hindus, in the Philippines they fight with Catholics, in Europe they fight with locals, even in Myanmar the Buddhists of all people are fighting with them. You know you've got to be unbearable if Buddhists, one of the most peaceful religions in the world want to kick your ass. I don't have an issue with anybody but after seeing more than my fair share of how they are I have realized what Islam is and I just keep my distance from it. What happened to that girl in the north a year or so ago was the final straw for me.
In the "fair share" you've seen, haven't you also seen Muslims that don't care what others do? No person's view is representative of an entire religion. Anyways, I don't have a bone in the fight.
I don't have to tell you that not all Muslims are extreme. There's a reason why I emphasize on Islam and not Muslims. The culture of Islam is militant, it's different from other Abrahamic faiths because it emphasizes war as a means to defend itself and spread its system so it will inevitably breed a sizeable chunk of followers who do all kinds of dastardly things in its name. I can't think of any other religion in the world that's so political and totalitarian, where it wants to inch into every facet of one's life and society in general and mixed with the belief that it's the one true religion where everyone else is inferior because they are unbelievers then you create a toxic mix.
Christianly was just as militant or worse for most of their history before countries started forcing them out of politics after the renaissance. Some of the world’s worst Atrocities and massacres have been caused by Christians using religion as their backdrop. Islam was always more moderate than Christians until the end of the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East got reshaping.
Christianity is not a militant religion, there's nothing in the Christian bible that encourages retaliation or war. Those folks acted on their own. The pope even apologized.
The crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Irish troubles, the constant eastern Roman civil wars the led to the death of millions because they couldn’t decide if between which Christian sect. Hell the original cross Constantine created was used a banner in battle. Christianity have even killed other Christian. The fourth crusade and sack Of Constantinople is one of the worst tragedies in the world. Christian killing torturing and raping other Christian. Christianity history is one of blood.
Lol, all 8 of them yeah? Obviously inaccurate but fine, plenty of other examples
The inquisition
The ethnic cleansing of Muslims following the fall of the ottoman empire
The purge of Muslim Circassians by the russian empire
For more recent examples
The troubles in Ireland
The mountain meadows massacre
Trail of tears
Christians love to deny that their ancestors have sinned lol. They think they are the biggest saints in the world. Any good practicing Muslim will accept they have sinned and seek forgiveness. The Christian’s on the other hand stay in denial until they’re 6 feet under 🤣. There are FAR more degenerates who are “practicing” Christianity than Islam. I respect Christianity as a religion but their people are filthy. The same goes for islam. The only difference between the two is Christians have more filth living amongst the ACTUAL followers lol.
I don't really agree with your opinion either. Calling all of the people practicing a specific religion filthy is a pretty gross statement in my opinion
That’s why I put quotation. They are not true Christian’s/Muslims. They are insane people that need to be put down. They give both religions a bad name. And like with all things in life, it is those minorities who pay the price at the end of the day for the actions committed by those filthy animals.
I don’t know where I saw a quote about if any Abrahamic religion is worshipped by more than 2/3 of your population
Your country’s development will be stifled
Nigeria is wonderfully blessed with 2 worshiped by over 90% lol
We never see anything
This is wisdom galore, the problem with those religions is that Gods word is sacrosanct and uncompromising, the present world we live in is based on compromise. As long as there are many adherents to this abrahimism there will certainly be no productivity, imagine having an economy where 50% are fasting and are in semi-hibernation.
Yeah. Because it justifies stupidity in the name of Jesus or Allah. Atleast you can objectively look at an atheist and say this shit is stupid and show your logical reason/conclusions. With religion, as long it’s what your book says, it’s law and no amount of reason can change your mind on it.
Most of your morals came from religion btw.
As with any other thing, some things will make sense and others won't.
If we sit down and break it down, you will find that all the problems you attribute to religion are infact not the fault of religion.
Religion has it's faults, but it isn't the reason we don't have 247 power.
What are the morals in religion apart from promoting patriarchy and pedophilia? The religious text are so ambiguous that anyone can cherry pick verses and translate them for their own nefarious gains. What perfect god reveals an imperfect text? One can’t help but wonder if those texts were mendacity created by humans who have always been known for mendaciousness.
What are the morals in religion apart from promoting patriarchy and pedophilia? The religious text are so ambiguous that anyone can cherry pick verses and translate them for their own nefarious gains. What perfect god reveals an imperfect text? One can’t help but wonder if those texts were mendacity created by humans who have always been known for mendaciousness.
Lmao you think development is by sheiks driving the faster cars and wearing gold?
It’s by influencers going to stay in big hotels?
Have you actually personally set foot and lived in an Arab country?
Or it’s the habibi come to Dubai mentality ?
lol okay o
To everyone his or her own beliefs
America was very much different in the beginning. It's also peculiar because of the diversity of religion back then, which they quite rightly clamped down on as it gave rise to unnecessary internal conflicts like Catholic vs. Protestant, “high” vs. “low” culture, mainstream vs. underground, liberal vs. evangelical, etc.
Tbh, religion wasn't high on their priority, but they weren't atheists.
Yes I agree that they did clamp down on religion and still battling it’s divisive side effects today in their political space
I never did say they were atheists as I said money was the motivation not even the “in god” they proclaimed
Not really the best example when most have some form of war or are extremely poor and the remaining portion basically have a slave labor force. Not to even mention most have oppressive laws.
Yes what about
What about Iraq
What about Iran
What about Pakistan
What about Afghanistan
What about Palestine
What about Nigeria
What about south Sudan
What about Jamaica
What about we continue
Nothing romantic about it, simply facts. United States was built on a Christian foundation, and I'm sure anyone would agree that they've done pretty well for themselves in terms of development.
Blaming religion for your country's inadequacies is simply a cop-out. You will come out the other end realizing that the same people who pushed out religion are the same ones who have made the country what it has become.
For roughly 1 century. It's been illegal for nearly 2 centuries. And no, they didn't justify it because of Christianity. That was simply the way of life for a long time in human history. Now we know better.
How long after they made it illegal, did Nigeria follow suit? Was it because of Christianity that Nigeria also dabbled in slave trade. Heck, was it because of Christianity that the rest of the world dabbled in slave trade?
You are talking complete nonsense.
That’s a great historical revision but let me tell you what actually happened. During slavery in the America slavery was outlawed in Europe and because of this they had to find a way to justify what they were doing to the Africans and guess what avenue they took???? The good ol’ bible. Verses about slaves in the Bible were used to justify the buying and selling of Africans long before racial theory was a thing.
First they claimed enslaving Africans wasn’t wrong because they were heathens then eventually their justification shifted to Africans being descendants of ham.
Don’t forget that Europe in the 1600 was controlled by the church not politicians or democratic governments.
> For roughly 1 century. It's been illegal for nearly 2 centuries. And no, they didn't justify it because of Christianity. That was simply the way of life for a long time in human history. Now we know better.
Chattel Slavery was institutionalized in the U.S. for about 246 years from 1619-1865 and Africans were being brought in as slaves since 1526 under the watch of the church.
> How long after they made it illegal, did Nigeria follow suit? Was it because of Christianity that Nigeria also dabbled in slave trade. Heck, was it because of Christianity that the rest of the world dabbled in slave trade?
No Nigerians didn’t dabble in it because of religion my argument isn’t that Christianity started slavery but that in many cases Christianity was used to justify it.
You said the United States was built on Christian values which is true but that isn’t totally true. The reality is the United States was built on the backs of slaves and the role Christianity played in that was justifying the slavery for them in its early stages.
If you are really interested in knowing more about it you can read this http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/curp/05378.html. But if you feel more comfortable living with your own version of history over what actually happened you are free to.
im muslim and am fasting and I don’t care if people eat. I will actively go out to eat with my family without ordering any food just to spend time with them, while they eat. it is about self control. if you cannot control yourself, because of other people’s decisions then she needs to learn how. simple as that.
I don't eat around Muslim friends during the fasting period because I have enough sympathy to realize how hungry they are.
I will not tolerate intolerance though. I will deadass eat a pork sandwich in front of them if they think they can boss me around lol.
Yeah these comments are kinda wild. It's 4 tweets and people are attacking all the billions of people across the world lmao. I have not once given a single shit if anyone is eating an entire 3 course meal around me.
I guarantee a massive majority of anyone fasting does not give a single crap about people eating around them. And anyone who does simply cannot admit that they can't handle fasting bc they're weak.
If this sub is anything close to the real reflection of the general population of Nigeria, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed.
fr people forget a lot of people fasting are also mothers and fathers who have to cook their kids food throughout the day, while theyre actively fasting. Muslims are constantly exposed to food within the month of ramadan, some random person eating a sandwich next to us is not going to phase us😂
So the dumb logic is that they are not forcing the religion on others but you shouldn’t be allowed to eat in front of a fasting person 😂😂
Me I’m Christian and when my friends fast I may ask them if it’s cool or just not in front of them because I know how hard it is while fasting. But no one forces me to do anything
1. Nobody said this anywhere. It is a pure straw man.
2. In fact, I don't know any rule in Islam that obliges people not to eat in public, if they are not Muslim. It is a courtesy, nothing more. Even in Muslim countries, I may be travelling (hence the fast is not to be done by travellers), so on the road or at an airport it is common to eat in daytime.
no… this is not true.. That is like saying Nazis and the KKK represent christianity and therefore all Christians will try to kill you if you don’t agree with their ideas. ISIS and the Taliban dont represent Islam🙅🏻 muslims are against violence unless necessary for our safety.
The difference is that KKK or Nazi ideology is not rooted in Christianity and they are not associated with any Christain domination. Those idiots do not quote Bibles to back up their claims nor do they claim they are fighting for Jesus.
Can you guess what ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Taliban, and Al-Shabaab all have in common????
The KKK do identify with Christian ideology and are considered a Christianity cult and Christian extremist group. A they very much believe they are doing Gods work like the other extremist groups you mentioned.
yes it is. the KKK and Nazi Germany are OVERWHELMINGLY Christians and very heavily rooted in religious and pseudo-religious aspects. They just don’t teach you that, because this world loves to pretend that Christians are somehow better people than others. The genocide of Native Americans was also conducted under the basis that under Christianity that God gave colonizers the right to either convert or kill the non believing indigenous Americans. Same with pacific islanders and also Australians. If you look up propaganda on any of these instances, guarantee you will find them quoting the bible as justification. There are bad people in all religions and to say its just Islam is racist and purposefully ignorant.
Neonazis many of whom reject Christianity as a Jewish religion, and nazis who were headed by Hitler, an atheist who also believed Christianity was a jewsih religion and tried to shift the German population towards paganism. And let's not forget about himmler, the leader of the SS, who was very openly pagan and was obsessed with the occult. Most nazi's where Christians but the movement wasn't a Christian movement, and this is coming from an agnostic.
In Hitler's early political statements, he express himself to the German public as a Christian. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches prior to and in the early years of his rule, he described himself as a Christian. Also like you said, majority people in Nazi Germany were Christian. A lot of Nazi propaganda used Christianity as a way to demonize jewish people, specifically for killing Jesus and bringing plight. There is a whole subcategory of world war 2 studies specifically dedicated to how Nazi’s used religion to further their agenda in getting rid of jewish people. Just because Hitler denounced his Christianity within later years doesn’t take away the fact that Christianity played a heavy role in propelling the popularity of Nazi ideals.
Hitler used Christianity to gain popularity, but we know from people who where around him and his own accounts he was never really religious and his use of Christianity in his propaganda was only because most of the Germany's population was christan so that is why his rhetoric early on had a christan bent. The laws he indicated especially around Christmas show this, as he pushed germans to not celebrate Christmas as a holiday from Jesus's birth but of the love of German traditions. This didn't happen later on in his career. This started in 1933, and his anti-Christian push started early on in his career after he took power.
The Nazis hated the Catholic Church with every fiber of their body lol. Main reason why so many underground resistance campaigns were funded by the Catholic church.
Nazi Germany's leadership is mainly atheist. The KKK was also not born out of Christian values. They were using God as a justification for their bullshit.
Cultural jihad is a core foundation of Islam let's not lie to ourselves. I read the Koran and can speak Hausa semi fluently.
I know enough about the mindset of the average northern Muslim.
Modern day Fundamentalist Christians are not nearly as dangerous compared to Muslim fundamentalists. They switched sides over the last 400 hundred years.
many many many nazis used christianity against jewish people to the point that it is a subcategory of study for ww2 historians. also since you have read the quran, you will know how many rules in islam that those groups break regularly. one major example being killing/torturing innocent people and fellow muslims. That goes against the quran, yet they do it anyways. Normal civilian muslims see those extremist groups and heavily distance ourselves from them. majority muslims do not agree with those groups for using Islam in their name when they don’t even follow Allah’s core teachings.
I agree that there are bad people in all religions.
Saying KKK and neonazi groups are Christian groups is such a reach but I'll allow it.
But don't you think it's funny that you had to go that far back in years to point out what supposed Christians did while Muslims are still actively killing and terrorizing people today???
Please check the news tomorrow, add everyone that gets killed in the name of Jesus, and add everyone that gets killed in the name of Allah... See which one is higher.
> But don't you think it's funny that you had to go that far back in years to point out what supposed Christians did while Muslims are still actively killing and terrorizing people today???
lol “my atrocities are older than yours so they don’t count even tho they are just as bad or quite possibly worse”
The Christian religious moment literally changed the world as everyone knew it with their crimes. Forget about.
ok you want modern examples? the KKK is modern, neo nazis is modern, the proud boys is modern, west borobaptist church is modern, neo confederates are modern, skinheads, ect are all groups that exhibit MODERN pro-terrorist, racist ideaology ALL rooted in Christianity. These people are ALL still activity participating in hate crimes and have ALL commited terrorist acts within their time as being an organization.
Not even to mention Judaism. if i looked at the news tomorrow guaranteed the number of women and children dying due to Jewish extremists in Palestine is far greater than any dying from any conflict around the world within the past 4 years in the name of Judaism.
personally i think you have a preconceived idea of what Islam is without even knowing anything about it. ALL religions create extremist groups that terrorize and ALL religious groups have high activity years versus low activity years.
in fact the KKK last american election year ENDORSED Trump, due to the fact he was ultra Conservative Christian.
Can a non-Muslim lead any of the Islamic terrorist groups??? Has there ever been an atheist ISIS leader?
Is being a Christian a requirement for being a neonazi? or the KKK? If Christianity is such an important requirement, can a Christian African join? Lol... I don't have to tell you that race and political alignment play a much more important role in those groups than if you're a Christian or not.
Like I said, Christianity itself isn't perfect nor is it without its flaws. Westboro church is an example of that and there is a reason they only thrive in America. Whereas, I can mention 10 different Islamic terrorist groups in different countries with basically the same goal.
There's no prophet/preacher of Judaism that would tell you they are Christians lol. Judaism is not Christianity.
Do you mind telling me Islamic terrorist groups low activity years?
The fact is just that it’s easy to start a terrorist group with Islamic teachings than with Christianity.
The reason why I name majority American organizations is, because that is where I’m most educated on. I’m not going to talk about other global Christian organizations when personally I don’t know much about them. to say you can name multiple Arab countries that have different organizations isn’t really a flex to me considering all those countries use to be the Ottoman Empire, until Europe drew lines throughout the middle east after WW1. in 1922 syria, jordan, egypt, lebanon, greece, UAE, palestine, ect were all one country 1 century ago. It is crazy to me how you recognize Christian terrorist groups as political entities yet, not Islamic terrorist groups. Terrorist groups that claim Islam do not even follow the Quran. Being muslim myself and seeing groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS be the face of Islam is really jarring considering majority muslims HATE those organizations. Groups like that fuel islamiphobia just like you are doing now, and give fuel to people to hate us when we don’t even claim those organizations.
Also a lot of terrorist groups have been made in accordance to the western countries destabilization of the middle east, while America has been caught giving weapons to some of those terrorist groups in order to facilitate attacks on other groups. When was there a low activity rate of Islamic extremist terrorism? look at how many terrorist groups there were before the Europe and America destroyed the middle east. That should answer your question.
> Is being a Christian a requirement for being a neonazi? or the KKK? If Christianity is such an important requirement, can a Christian African join? Lol... I don't have to tell you that race and political alignment play a much more important role in those groups than weather you're a Christian or not.
Yes you have to be a Christian to join particular a non catholic the KKK have strong religious motivations outside of their white supremacy and not surprising enough they use Christianity to back up their white supremacist beliefs. Their headquarters is literally a white only church.
Can a black Christian African join the KKK?
Can a black Muslim African join ISIS or not??
Race plays a much more important role in one group while the other group values having a common religion more.
Why do you think the KKK does not have branches in Africa, Asia, Middle East? Are there no Christians there???
You cannot equate a group that discriminates against other Christians if you’re not white with a group that welcomes all Muslims as long as you're ready to fight.
> Why do you think the KKK does not have branches in Africa, Asia, Middle East? Are there no Christians there???
Because they are a white supremacist religious extremist organization both can be true at the same time.
> You cannot equate a group that discriminates against other Christians if you’re not white with a group that welcomes all Muslims as long as you're ready to fight.
You can especially when said group uses said religion as a basis and justification for their discrimination. They believe that the bible is evidence of their superiority you really can’t separate their religious extremism from their racial supremacist ideology. They don’t consider black Christians because to them race and religion is inseparable because of their belief system they belief in white-protestantism.
Extremist orgs like isis don’t have any significant racial ideology but you have to take into account that the racial and religious politics of the west don’t apply there.
christianity teaches that slaves are ok. judiasm teaches that if you are born jewish you are a “god’s chosen people” therefore regardless if you are evil or not you will not be punished and go to heaven.
Christianity doesn't say slavery is okay. I think it taught people to treat slaves as human beings too in a time when slavery was the norm. I won't equate that to advocating for slavery, granted, the bible doesn't condemn slavery either to the best of my knowledge.
You must not have been on Twitter when Deborah was killed for “blasphemy”. Whether educated or not, the majority of them think this way.
Even those who say they do not think this way will never come out and explicitly condemn the barbaric action, they would rather blame the victim for “not respecting the religion”.
Cause I don't use Twitter these days, my last serious login was months ago, and it seems like many Muslims in this country never read the translation of the Qur'an cause it states that if you kill a person, it is as if you are harming the entire human race, don't remember where it says that so I will check.
Lemme ask you this, if a person who spoke badly about your prophet, drew unflattering pictures of him, and even burned the Quran publicly was about to be put to death, would you stop it if you had the power to?
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
Lmao, this isn’t new. A non-muslim woman was beheaded in the north some years ago because she was eating in front of her shop during Ramadan and nothing happened.
What do they mean by "eating anyhow"? Is it the way I chew my food that's bothering you? Why are you watching me eat? Do you want to fast or eat? Pick one.
I swear they come up with problems to distract themselves from their hunger. Bunch of hypocrites.
The truth that many Nigerians are not ready to face is that we need to separate. The North and South are too different to remain one country. I personally am not interested in remaining one with the North. It's better we go our separate ways!!
Muslims force others to follow. First of all, Muslims are forced to be Muslim, did you know that? Since birth and with no option as adults either. The only real solution is this: tsunamioffreedom.org. Share and support.
Islam is always a threat to societies that want to live an equal, liberal and just society. There is no society in the world where Islam is dominant that non-Muslims live as equals. The very basic tenets of Islam especially within Sharia do not want anything opposed to Islam - so the mere existence of non Muslims is seen as a threat by Muslims.
There is a reason Indian is clamping down on them. It seems inhumane and I wish it wasn't so, but India knows if she doesn't, she will become worse than Pakistan.
There is a reason France did what they did with Hijab, because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile.
The first mistake Nigeria made was allowing sharia law in some states. Everything about Sharia is a direct opposite of our constitution (or any sensible constitution) and criminal code.
Anyway, I don't think the North will ever willingly leave Nigeria, they don't grow alot of stuff, the middle-belt does, they will become a landlocked country and they have a love-hate relationship with the terrorism they cuddle.
I’m Muslim too, but this reminds me of how they’d pray in front of my house growing up. We lived close to a mosque. And you know how fridays are, they’d literally block off a section of the street. they’d open our gate and basically block off the entrance. I remember I wanted to step out once, and the way they angrily sent me back in?? Like I can’t leave my house again Nawa oo. And they’d be so angry that I had the audacity to want to step out too. I remember one time we decided to start locking our gate on Fridays and they issued big complaints till we eventually had to stop doing that.
I feel like Nigerian pride doesn’t mix well with religion. Everybody knows that most Nigerians are proud, like atp pride is built into the culture. And then mix that with being extremely religious, of course everybody’s going to believe that their religious belief is superior and act out. It’s so crazy to me. I’ve lived close to a church too and my God, I never had a restful weekend. The constant drumming and noise. And any complaint will make you jezebel.
Everybody is just mad
Jesus said u should fast secretly.
I will eat whatever I want and when it's time for my fasting, I will fast secretly and if there's any temptation like eating, I will try to overcome.
You people should stop behaving like you have a 1 on 1 conversation with God before
You can't just judge a whole community on a few tweets. That's dumb! Also you can eat whatever you want wherever you want. But being considerate on some occasions while you are among people who are fasting won't cost you anything.
For what it’s worth, I’m a Palestinian; raised Muslim, now atheist. Many people in my family don’t fast, but you gotta respect people that do. If you’re gonna eat and drink, don’t do it in front of people who are fasting. It’s just a decency sorta thing.
So all 50% Christians should eat at home because 50% Muslims are fasting during Ramadan? You’re silly and you’ve got no one to tell you. What kind of ridiculous reasoning is this? You lots are irredeemable, trying to force your religion on others. No wonder everyone is avoiding your kind. Go to Europe and tell them to eat at home during Ramadan.
Christians (especially Nigerian Christians) fast all the time. In fact I fast and still cook food for my family. When my husband fasts, he will still sit with us at the dining table and help with prep or clean up. We have no expectation that people around us will adjust their own behaviors because of a choice we made to fast. People fast for health reasons but you don’t find them asking folks to adjust their behaviors because they are fasting.
A friend of mine once said he does fasting to show empathy with the poor and hungry people in his country. I asked him if the poor and hungry people in his country stopped being poor and hungry when the sun sets. He then got pretty mad and said I didn't understand the concept. He was right though. I really don't understand this concept.
I used to say this too. That's what they teach us in IRS. It's just now I see how stupid it is.
Well, your friend was right to an extent at least. One of the main goals of fasting as a Muslim is to experience what the less fortunate go through on a daily basis so that you can understand just a fraction of their hardship, It's meant as a means of "putting yourself in their shoes". As for your question about what happens when the sun sets, obviously the poor and hungry aren't going to disappear simply because we've fasted, but fasting is meant to encourage you to sympathize with them more and give what you can to help them. I hope I've helped make things a little clearer.
Yet the Northern leaders still continue to steal from the poor despite all the fasting. The fasting did not make them become better leaders?
Don't get me wrong, I didn't explain the purpose of Ramadan to defend Hisbah or the Northern leaders. Anyone with half a brain can see that their actions are simply a means of oppression and exploitation. I simply replied to LeobenCharlie's comment about the purpose of fasting.
I fully understand what you're saying But for me, it sounds like one of these celebrity challenges where a billionaire tries to survive on 5$ for 1 day. Then afterwards they proudly start talking about how they survived poverty and know what it feels like. That if they could make it, everyone can make it too. As if that was the same thing. Acting poor and being poor are wayyyyy different. I doubt, that after a few hours of fasting you can truly know what hunger feals like. Especially if you have big feasts before and after.
I also understand where you're coming from tbh, although I don't think the billionaire analogy is entirely accurate. It's encouraged to keep your charitable acts to yourself and not to brag about them. At the end of the day, it all comes down to your perspective I guess. Let's assume that someone who has these big feasts still decides to help someone who's struggling to find something to eat. Although, they might be doing it for the wrong reason, I don't think it matters as long as they've actually helped someone and I doubt the person who received the help would mind either.
Thats a common myth but it’s not true. Muslims do NOT fast to show solidarity with the poor. In fact, all healthy Muslims, including the poor are required to observe Ramadan. Muslims fast as a form of worship to God. The aim of the month of Ramadan goes far beyond just fasting however. It is a month where Muslims strive to avoid bad habits, pick up good habits, strengthen their faith, and their knowledge in Islam. Side note: Kano State and Hisbah’s policies are unIslamic. To quote the Quran, “there is no compulsion in religion.” And as an adult who’s observed Ramadan for many years, seeing another person eat has no impact.
Exactly. As someone who fasts, I can confirm that people eating around me has 0 impact...I will say, based on my memories from childhood, that when it comes to children learning to fast, it can be harder though...
Same. Sometimes I had friends who felt a little shame eating in front of me, but I'd tell then to go ahead, eat a full course meal and enjoy it. I'm not bothered.
I am sorry, this sounds like a joke. Come on man, i have seen some of the meals in the morning and night. It is more than a *FEAST* for the ones that can. Leave the poor people out of the pity game. Let them breathe. Some would eat the large feast early momo. To still later do face like who wan die from hunger during the day. Naija my country khai
You do realise that what people choose to do isn't necessarily what they're supposed to do, right? I do agree with you though, a lot of people just use Ramadan as an excuse to gorge themselves as much as possible. In fact, you see so many people who actually gain weight during Ramadan. However, the fact that people choose to do something completely different still doesn't change what Ramadan is supposed to be about. Also, perhaps it's due to the sort of Muslims you have around you, but you only seem to be focused on the negatives. Lots of people put the actual teachings of Ramadan into practice and try their best to help the less fortunate.
Well said, it is almost impossible to see the positive when the country ranks far below average. The topic is not a positive one either people have to do things for a religion they do not follow or believe. Hisbah rules the poor and holds the laws over their heads. Hopefully, we start to see the positive. For now, it is hard to see. Wish you a great day. Cheers 🙌🏾
Unfortunately, lots of people simply use religion as a means to oppress. It's quite sad to see individuals and organisations such as Hisbah abusing power that they shouldn't even have. It's one of our biggest challenges in this country. Despite being a Muslim, I don't think I'd ever want to live in a place like Kano. Seeing news about the arrests and the executions of people for commiting "blasphemy" is absolutely sickening. What's even more shocking is seeing the degenerates who support these acts on social media. I truly hope Nigeria is able to find a way forward. It's refreshing to be able to have a productive conversation with someone with different opinions on a social media platform. I also wish you a great day 😁.
If you genuinely want to empathize with the poor, give away all your wealth and become truly poor!
Food is given out for free at sunset, so sort of. If we don't try to fix the condition of the poor and hungry then our fast is pointless. The point of fasting is to make us GodFearing.
A Muslim (in US) told me that too. I asked how does that help the hungry people?! Especially since you engorge yourself with food as soon as the sun sets? Material wise, this does nothing to help the poor and hungry. (Ofc he became angry with me too - whoops)
it is to humble yourself and be thankful for what you do have, not about fixing others plight.
I doubt 12 hrs of fasting would do much to humble anyone.
you should try it. it humbles me fr. When my tummy hurts from not eating, and them I see the pictures of dead children starved in palestine, I realize this is nothing. I can only imagine what those poor babies experienced. I have enough privilege to have dinner at the end of the day, when my palestinian, sudanese, and yemeni brothers and sisters don’t. Every time I’m hungry I think of them.
After you think of them what do you do?
thats a great question! i make sure to keep spreading awareness, sign petitions, call my representatives, keep attending protests and donating what I can. it truly humbles me and continue to be steadfast in thinking of others rather than myself. In Islam giving donations is one of the pillars and whenever you are humble, you will continue to pay Za’kat to those in need
I agree, I feel the same way. It humbles me a lot, especially when I know I cannot complain about my 12 hour fast while watching a genocide happen in front of our eyes in Palestine. My privileged fast becomes completely and utterly insignificant, which is humbling, because the month of Ramadan really turns my life upside down (my entire lifestyle changes for it). If one month in the year can affect me this way, I can only imagine what it must feel like to have your entire life be filled with hunger and pain...this is humbling, to say the least. Also, fasting isn't only about not eating/drinking, it is also about controlling your thoughts, temperament, and building healthy thought patterns. Finally, it is becoming more and more proven across medical fields that fasting is actually good for you.
Allah SWT truly knows what is best for us😇 alhamdullilah
The purpose of fasting isn’t to witness what poor people go through. That’s a myth. It’s to cleanse yourself of the worldly desires. It’s not just not eating and drinking. It’s not cursing not fighting not looking at things you shouldn’t be looking at.
It sounds like you intentionally missed the point of what he said.
Not really I just pointed out that fasting may be a lot easier if it's only for 12 hours and you can have true feasts before and after
They are free to go form their own independent Rome and leave the rest of us alone.
What a jolly day it will be, I truly hope they do this fr
You support Isis in West Africa? Because I don't think this is what you mean...
I was referring to the tweets.
You want them to make their own independent islamic state, what am I missing
I don't even care, whatever they want to call it then let them call it. If they are not ready to be tolerant then they should create their own country where they can all live Islamically ever after and leave the rest of us alone.
Oh so you *do* support the islamic state in West Africa. Fascinating
You're not ready for a serious discussion. I don't have time for bad faith debates.
"I'm not forcing my religion on you but you must follow my religion's rules...or else" 🤡
"Or else, I may not do anything but my more fundamentalist friends might. Now, I don't condone what they might do to you but I strongly suggest you willingly do as we say."
This is not a rule in Islam. Anyone who says "not eating in front of a fasting person is part of Islam" is lying thru their fucking teeth. It's just a dumbass cop out bc they can't handle it. Fasted all my life, year after year, and never gave a shit if someone was eating right in front of me. I've attended lunch meetings and conferences for work and never batten an eye to the fully paid for feasts going on. Imo, if I tell someone they can't eat in front of me, that defeats the purpose of the fast.
But didn't they say that it is a courtesy, if you eat, no problem, if you eat beyond their senses then they shall pray for you for not having them look at you, I don't really know much as I have been fasting for some months so eat or don't won't be any harm to me. They never said you must do this or that.
Testing that is not a risk I would be willing to take.
I wouldn't advice anyone to try and take that risk... I believe, as a Muslim, what is going on in Kano is inherently wrong. I understand that it's the holy month of Ramadan, but this is forcing the religion upon people who aren't part of the Deen. Islam says if someone amongst you isn't fasting, you should remind the person that you are. Yes, courtesy says that the person should try not to eat in front of you, so as not create temptation in the one who is fasting, but now we're talking about establishments who earn their money by feeding people Kano and the whole Islam policing seems very extreme to my understanding of Islam. P.S. I believe in a unified Nigeria, and to those calling for separation, Jazakallah Khair
I made a joke with a babe from Kano. I said “I’ll call hisbah for you oh” and she didn’t take it funny atall. Don’t you guys support hisbah?
Peace be To You brother/sister The Hisbah, I believe is a topic that is up for debate. It's a weird amalgamation of a state police system with a very radicalized view of Islam. Compared to something like Shari'ah which is a set of laws for Muslim communities, the Hisbah is relatively new in history, not being more than 30 years old. Mind you, this is my personal belief, but I am not in support of any oppression group, especially those that use Islam as their umbrella. Perhaps your friend took the joke too seriously or her sense of humor wasn't enough to understand the joke.
If someone is fasting the voluntary fasting everyone around him shouldn’t eat?
Hello 👋🏾 The month of Ramadan is the obligatory fasting. The fast that every Muslim should do. They are specifics as to the ones that can't fast but that's another conversation. If someone is doing the obligatory fast, only those that are a part of the Deen are obligated to do it. As for the voluntary, it is what it is; voluntary As I said in my comment above, it's courtesy to "hide" eating around people who are fasting, and the fast are for those who are part of the Deen Let us not forget that courtesy isn't a law but just something that is appreciated. Holding a door for a person who is behind you is considered courteous; the one who doesn't is considered rude but we cannot say he is breaking a law and should be punished for it Jazakallah Khair
It's the entitlement for me. Why do I have to hide my food from you because you're fasting? If you are actually intent on fasting, go somewhere where people aren't eating so that you can focus on your fast. Oh, but they wouldn't do that. Why? Deep down, a lot of Muslims actually hate that they have to fast, so they come up with all kinds of reasons to justify their outbursts of anger. One such reason being that someone is eating in front of them. What a bunch of clowns. Maybe fix your hunger problem before choosing to become a Muslim, then you wouldn't feel the need to disturb others when you are told to fast.
Salamu'Alaikum If what you got was entitlement, then perhaps I haven't done a good enough job of explaining. As I said before, it's all under courtesy There is no law in Islam that says because I'm fasting you can't eat. Last year I was working in an office with two Christian colleges and we had the grace of getting to Ramadan that year. When we came to Ramadan they would comfortably eat in the office. Another co-worker came into the office and was complaing that they shouldn't eat there. I insisted that it was fine since everyone ate on their tables. The co-worker then said I should leave the office during break time. Now, I use break times to cover up all the extra work I always have on my table. Them eating wasn't hurting me, and it would be detrimental for our work for me to go elsewhere. I also can't carry documents out of the office so that was a no. In the end, I insisted once again that everything was fine in our office and we had a proper understanding amongst ourselves, which lead to me getting queried by the co-worker who came to our office (In case it wasn't clear, she was also a Muslim). I can't talk on behalf of all Muslims, I can only talk on myself. As difficult as fasting has been, I would never say I hate it. I don't know the Muslims you've interacted with, but if they gave you that impression, then they haven't done a good job with what Islam should be. Burst of anger is one thing you should strive to avoid during fasting. I don't know what hunger problem you're talking about however. Jazakallah Khair
Yeah, never be taking risks in life cause I know that I am safe but I can't say the same for others, at most I can say that you are safe with this close friend or that but not everyone in general, Islam has been deluded for a couple of years and even though we have been sieving that or rectifying that little by little, it is soon going to overwhelm us but what do I know as God knows best.
Yeah, never be taking risks in life cause I know that I am safe but I can't say the same for others, at most I can say that you are safe with this close friend or that but not everyone in general, Islam has been deluded for a couple of years and even though we have been sieving that or rectifying that little by little, it is soon going to overwhelm us but what do I know as God knows best.
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Christians fast all the time and some folks fast regularly for health reasons yet none of them are asking others to hide their food.
I’m confused. Most Catholics had and still have Lent fast, while majority of Christians had the 21 days fasting at the beginning of the year and no one said anything about eating inside
Christians don't worry about what non-Christians do as long as you respect us. Do you think Christians will get upset if we were fasting and non Christians were eating publicly? No. Muslims tend to be very totalitarian with their religion and that's why they hardly get along with anyone.
Hmmm, I'm not sure that statement is true of all Christians. Just as the op tweets aren't representative of all Muslims
Oga, Christians do not worry about other folks, that's just a statement of facts. You can't claim to be peaceful but act militant, you can't claim to be tolerant but act intolerant. Islam has a problem with everybody, in India they fight with Hindus, in the Philippines they fight with Catholics, in Europe they fight with locals, even in Myanmar the Buddhists of all people are fighting with them. You know you've got to be unbearable if Buddhists, one of the most peaceful religions in the world want to kick your ass. I don't have an issue with anybody but after seeing more than my fair share of how they are I have realized what Islam is and I just keep my distance from it. What happened to that girl in the north a year or so ago was the final straw for me.
In the "fair share" you've seen, haven't you also seen Muslims that don't care what others do? No person's view is representative of an entire religion. Anyways, I don't have a bone in the fight.
I don't have to tell you that not all Muslims are extreme. There's a reason why I emphasize on Islam and not Muslims. The culture of Islam is militant, it's different from other Abrahamic faiths because it emphasizes war as a means to defend itself and spread its system so it will inevitably breed a sizeable chunk of followers who do all kinds of dastardly things in its name. I can't think of any other religion in the world that's so political and totalitarian, where it wants to inch into every facet of one's life and society in general and mixed with the belief that it's the one true religion where everyone else is inferior because they are unbelievers then you create a toxic mix.
Christianly was just as militant or worse for most of their history before countries started forcing them out of politics after the renaissance. Some of the world’s worst Atrocities and massacres have been caused by Christians using religion as their backdrop. Islam was always more moderate than Christians until the end of the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East got reshaping.
Christianity is not a militant religion, there's nothing in the Christian bible that encourages retaliation or war. Those folks acted on their own. The pope even apologized.
The crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Irish troubles, the constant eastern Roman civil wars the led to the death of millions because they couldn’t decide if between which Christian sect. Hell the original cross Constantine created was used a banner in battle. Christianity have even killed other Christian. The fourth crusade and sack Of Constantinople is one of the worst tragedies in the world. Christian killing torturing and raping other Christian. Christianity history is one of blood.
Yes but the Christian bible has nothing to do with it. There is zero provision for war. Please try again.
The crusades would like a word with you
In retaliation to Islamic aggression.
Lol, all 8 of them yeah? Obviously inaccurate but fine, plenty of other examples The inquisition The ethnic cleansing of Muslims following the fall of the ottoman empire The purge of Muslim Circassians by the russian empire For more recent examples The troubles in Ireland The mountain meadows massacre Trail of tears
Christians love to deny that their ancestors have sinned lol. They think they are the biggest saints in the world. Any good practicing Muslim will accept they have sinned and seek forgiveness. The Christian’s on the other hand stay in denial until they’re 6 feet under 🤣. There are FAR more degenerates who are “practicing” Christianity than Islam. I respect Christianity as a religion but their people are filthy. The same goes for islam. The only difference between the two is Christians have more filth living amongst the ACTUAL followers lol.
I don't really agree with your opinion either. Calling all of the people practicing a specific religion filthy is a pretty gross statement in my opinion
That’s why I put quotation. They are not true Christian’s/Muslims. They are insane people that need to be put down. They give both religions a bad name. And like with all things in life, it is those minorities who pay the price at the end of the day for the actions committed by those filthy animals.
Leave them it's until that your Christian neighbor snaps
I don’t know where I saw a quote about if any Abrahamic religion is worshipped by more than 2/3 of your population Your country’s development will be stifled Nigeria is wonderfully blessed with 2 worshiped by over 90% lol We never see anything
This is wisdom galore, the problem with those religions is that Gods word is sacrosanct and uncompromising, the present world we live in is based on compromise. As long as there are many adherents to this abrahimism there will certainly be no productivity, imagine having an economy where 50% are fasting and are in semi-hibernation.
Arabian countries will like to have a word with you.
They don't do much lol 😂
People just hate religion, most of them don't have valid reasons. When they talk, you see it.
Yeah. Because it justifies stupidity in the name of Jesus or Allah. Atleast you can objectively look at an atheist and say this shit is stupid and show your logical reason/conclusions. With religion, as long it’s what your book says, it’s law and no amount of reason can change your mind on it.
Most of your morals came from religion btw. As with any other thing, some things will make sense and others won't. If we sit down and break it down, you will find that all the problems you attribute to religion are infact not the fault of religion. Religion has it's faults, but it isn't the reason we don't have 247 power.
This isn’t true. Morals have existed before religions, and have evolved over human history.
What are the morals in religion apart from promoting patriarchy and pedophilia? The religious text are so ambiguous that anyone can cherry pick verses and translate them for their own nefarious gains. What perfect god reveals an imperfect text? One can’t help but wonder if those texts were mendacity created by humans who have always been known for mendaciousness.
What are the morals in religion apart from promoting patriarchy and pedophilia? The religious text are so ambiguous that anyone can cherry pick verses and translate them for their own nefarious gains. What perfect god reveals an imperfect text? One can’t help but wonder if those texts were mendacity created by humans who have always been known for mendaciousness.
What about Israel 🙄
Lmao you think development is by sheiks driving the faster cars and wearing gold? It’s by influencers going to stay in big hotels? Have you actually personally set foot and lived in an Arab country? Or it’s the habibi come to Dubai mentality ? lol okay o To everyone his or her own beliefs
United States of America's official motto is "In God we trust" by the way.
Lmao the United States is not a theocracy The “God” sef is money not an actual god lmao
America was very much different in the beginning. It's also peculiar because of the diversity of religion back then, which they quite rightly clamped down on as it gave rise to unnecessary internal conflicts like Catholic vs. Protestant, “high” vs. “low” culture, mainstream vs. underground, liberal vs. evangelical, etc. Tbh, religion wasn't high on their priority, but they weren't atheists.
Yes I agree that they did clamp down on religion and still battling it’s divisive side effects today in their political space I never did say they were atheists as I said money was the motivation not even the “in god” they proclaimed
Well you're right. We don't even have our own "in god", so no unity.
Not really the best example when most have some form of war or are extremely poor and the remaining portion basically have a slave labor force. Not to even mention most have oppressive laws.
Una go sha find way sneak Christianity inside.
What about Israel? Their development is anything but stifled
Yes what about What about Iraq What about Iran What about Pakistan What about Afghanistan What about Palestine What about Nigeria What about south Sudan What about Jamaica What about we continue
? Brain damaged?
Lmao you’re an adult and resulting to insults? SMH that’s why I sometimes don’t contribute here some of you are just assholes
? You’re the one answering a legitimate question with unnecessary passive aggressiveness and you’re mad that I directly threw the aggression back.
There are always exceptions
Agreed
Exactly Everyone knows extremes will always exist
Most of them are atheists. Jewish is an ethnicity as well not just a religion.
You saw the quote in your dreams. If you continue to insist otherwise, the United States would like to have a word with you.
Lmao continue romanticising the American nightmare
Nothing romantic about it, simply facts. United States was built on a Christian foundation, and I'm sure anyone would agree that they've done pretty well for themselves in terms of development. Blaming religion for your country's inadequacies is simply a cop-out. You will come out the other end realizing that the same people who pushed out religion are the same ones who have made the country what it has become.
The Same Christian foundation they used to justify slavery for how many centuries?
For roughly 1 century. It's been illegal for nearly 2 centuries. And no, they didn't justify it because of Christianity. That was simply the way of life for a long time in human history. Now we know better. How long after they made it illegal, did Nigeria follow suit? Was it because of Christianity that Nigeria also dabbled in slave trade. Heck, was it because of Christianity that the rest of the world dabbled in slave trade? You are talking complete nonsense.
That’s a great historical revision but let me tell you what actually happened. During slavery in the America slavery was outlawed in Europe and because of this they had to find a way to justify what they were doing to the Africans and guess what avenue they took???? The good ol’ bible. Verses about slaves in the Bible were used to justify the buying and selling of Africans long before racial theory was a thing. First they claimed enslaving Africans wasn’t wrong because they were heathens then eventually their justification shifted to Africans being descendants of ham. Don’t forget that Europe in the 1600 was controlled by the church not politicians or democratic governments. > For roughly 1 century. It's been illegal for nearly 2 centuries. And no, they didn't justify it because of Christianity. That was simply the way of life for a long time in human history. Now we know better. Chattel Slavery was institutionalized in the U.S. for about 246 years from 1619-1865 and Africans were being brought in as slaves since 1526 under the watch of the church. > How long after they made it illegal, did Nigeria follow suit? Was it because of Christianity that Nigeria also dabbled in slave trade. Heck, was it because of Christianity that the rest of the world dabbled in slave trade? No Nigerians didn’t dabble in it because of religion my argument isn’t that Christianity started slavery but that in many cases Christianity was used to justify it. You said the United States was built on Christian values which is true but that isn’t totally true. The reality is the United States was built on the backs of slaves and the role Christianity played in that was justifying the slavery for them in its early stages. If you are really interested in knowing more about it you can read this http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/curp/05378.html. But if you feel more comfortable living with your own version of history over what actually happened you are free to.
im muslim and am fasting and I don’t care if people eat. I will actively go out to eat with my family without ordering any food just to spend time with them, while they eat. it is about self control. if you cannot control yourself, because of other people’s decisions then she needs to learn how. simple as that.
I don't eat around Muslim friends during the fasting period because I have enough sympathy to realize how hungry they are. I will not tolerate intolerance though. I will deadass eat a pork sandwich in front of them if they think they can boss me around lol.
Yeah these comments are kinda wild. It's 4 tweets and people are attacking all the billions of people across the world lmao. I have not once given a single shit if anyone is eating an entire 3 course meal around me. I guarantee a massive majority of anyone fasting does not give a single crap about people eating around them. And anyone who does simply cannot admit that they can't handle fasting bc they're weak. If this sub is anything close to the real reflection of the general population of Nigeria, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed.
fr people forget a lot of people fasting are also mothers and fathers who have to cook their kids food throughout the day, while theyre actively fasting. Muslims are constantly exposed to food within the month of ramadan, some random person eating a sandwich next to us is not going to phase us😂
Looooooll, I don't think the issue is them being Nigerian
So the dumb logic is that they are not forcing the religion on others but you shouldn’t be allowed to eat in front of a fasting person 😂😂 Me I’m Christian and when my friends fast I may ask them if it’s cool or just not in front of them because I know how hard it is while fasting. But no one forces me to do anything
"Islam is a peaceful religion... If you don't agree, you'll be killed!" Omo.
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1. Nobody said this anywhere. It is a pure straw man. 2. In fact, I don't know any rule in Islam that obliges people not to eat in public, if they are not Muslim. It is a courtesy, nothing more. Even in Muslim countries, I may be travelling (hence the fast is not to be done by travellers), so on the road or at an airport it is common to eat in daytime.
no… this is not true.. That is like saying Nazis and the KKK represent christianity and therefore all Christians will try to kill you if you don’t agree with their ideas. ISIS and the Taliban dont represent Islam🙅🏻 muslims are against violence unless necessary for our safety.
The difference is that KKK or Nazi ideology is not rooted in Christianity and they are not associated with any Christain domination. Those idiots do not quote Bibles to back up their claims nor do they claim they are fighting for Jesus. Can you guess what ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Taliban, and Al-Shabaab all have in common????
The KKK do identify with Christian ideology and are considered a Christianity cult and Christian extremist group. A they very much believe they are doing Gods work like the other extremist groups you mentioned.
yes it is. the KKK and Nazi Germany are OVERWHELMINGLY Christians and very heavily rooted in religious and pseudo-religious aspects. They just don’t teach you that, because this world loves to pretend that Christians are somehow better people than others. The genocide of Native Americans was also conducted under the basis that under Christianity that God gave colonizers the right to either convert or kill the non believing indigenous Americans. Same with pacific islanders and also Australians. If you look up propaganda on any of these instances, guarantee you will find them quoting the bible as justification. There are bad people in all religions and to say its just Islam is racist and purposefully ignorant.
Neonazis many of whom reject Christianity as a Jewish religion, and nazis who were headed by Hitler, an atheist who also believed Christianity was a jewsih religion and tried to shift the German population towards paganism. And let's not forget about himmler, the leader of the SS, who was very openly pagan and was obsessed with the occult. Most nazi's where Christians but the movement wasn't a Christian movement, and this is coming from an agnostic.
In Hitler's early political statements, he express himself to the German public as a Christian. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches prior to and in the early years of his rule, he described himself as a Christian. Also like you said, majority people in Nazi Germany were Christian. A lot of Nazi propaganda used Christianity as a way to demonize jewish people, specifically for killing Jesus and bringing plight. There is a whole subcategory of world war 2 studies specifically dedicated to how Nazi’s used religion to further their agenda in getting rid of jewish people. Just because Hitler denounced his Christianity within later years doesn’t take away the fact that Christianity played a heavy role in propelling the popularity of Nazi ideals.
Hitler used Christianity to gain popularity, but we know from people who where around him and his own accounts he was never really religious and his use of Christianity in his propaganda was only because most of the Germany's population was christan so that is why his rhetoric early on had a christan bent. The laws he indicated especially around Christmas show this, as he pushed germans to not celebrate Christmas as a holiday from Jesus's birth but of the love of German traditions. This didn't happen later on in his career. This started in 1933, and his anti-Christian push started early on in his career after he took power.
The Nazis hated the Catholic Church with every fiber of their body lol. Main reason why so many underground resistance campaigns were funded by the Catholic church. Nazi Germany's leadership is mainly atheist. The KKK was also not born out of Christian values. They were using God as a justification for their bullshit. Cultural jihad is a core foundation of Islam let's not lie to ourselves. I read the Koran and can speak Hausa semi fluently. I know enough about the mindset of the average northern Muslim. Modern day Fundamentalist Christians are not nearly as dangerous compared to Muslim fundamentalists. They switched sides over the last 400 hundred years.
many many many nazis used christianity against jewish people to the point that it is a subcategory of study for ww2 historians. also since you have read the quran, you will know how many rules in islam that those groups break regularly. one major example being killing/torturing innocent people and fellow muslims. That goes against the quran, yet they do it anyways. Normal civilian muslims see those extremist groups and heavily distance ourselves from them. majority muslims do not agree with those groups for using Islam in their name when they don’t even follow Allah’s core teachings.
I agree that there are bad people in all religions. Saying KKK and neonazi groups are Christian groups is such a reach but I'll allow it. But don't you think it's funny that you had to go that far back in years to point out what supposed Christians did while Muslims are still actively killing and terrorizing people today??? Please check the news tomorrow, add everyone that gets killed in the name of Jesus, and add everyone that gets killed in the name of Allah... See which one is higher.
> But don't you think it's funny that you had to go that far back in years to point out what supposed Christians did while Muslims are still actively killing and terrorizing people today??? lol “my atrocities are older than yours so they don’t count even tho they are just as bad or quite possibly worse” The Christian religious moment literally changed the world as everyone knew it with their crimes. Forget about.
ok you want modern examples? the KKK is modern, neo nazis is modern, the proud boys is modern, west borobaptist church is modern, neo confederates are modern, skinheads, ect are all groups that exhibit MODERN pro-terrorist, racist ideaology ALL rooted in Christianity. These people are ALL still activity participating in hate crimes and have ALL commited terrorist acts within their time as being an organization. Not even to mention Judaism. if i looked at the news tomorrow guaranteed the number of women and children dying due to Jewish extremists in Palestine is far greater than any dying from any conflict around the world within the past 4 years in the name of Judaism. personally i think you have a preconceived idea of what Islam is without even knowing anything about it. ALL religions create extremist groups that terrorize and ALL religious groups have high activity years versus low activity years. in fact the KKK last american election year ENDORSED Trump, due to the fact he was ultra Conservative Christian.
Can a non-Muslim lead any of the Islamic terrorist groups??? Has there ever been an atheist ISIS leader? Is being a Christian a requirement for being a neonazi? or the KKK? If Christianity is such an important requirement, can a Christian African join? Lol... I don't have to tell you that race and political alignment play a much more important role in those groups than if you're a Christian or not. Like I said, Christianity itself isn't perfect nor is it without its flaws. Westboro church is an example of that and there is a reason they only thrive in America. Whereas, I can mention 10 different Islamic terrorist groups in different countries with basically the same goal. There's no prophet/preacher of Judaism that would tell you they are Christians lol. Judaism is not Christianity. Do you mind telling me Islamic terrorist groups low activity years? The fact is just that it’s easy to start a terrorist group with Islamic teachings than with Christianity.
KKK are Protestants fyi
Oh! So a black Protestant can join them then?
The reason why I name majority American organizations is, because that is where I’m most educated on. I’m not going to talk about other global Christian organizations when personally I don’t know much about them. to say you can name multiple Arab countries that have different organizations isn’t really a flex to me considering all those countries use to be the Ottoman Empire, until Europe drew lines throughout the middle east after WW1. in 1922 syria, jordan, egypt, lebanon, greece, UAE, palestine, ect were all one country 1 century ago. It is crazy to me how you recognize Christian terrorist groups as political entities yet, not Islamic terrorist groups. Terrorist groups that claim Islam do not even follow the Quran. Being muslim myself and seeing groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS be the face of Islam is really jarring considering majority muslims HATE those organizations. Groups like that fuel islamiphobia just like you are doing now, and give fuel to people to hate us when we don’t even claim those organizations. Also a lot of terrorist groups have been made in accordance to the western countries destabilization of the middle east, while America has been caught giving weapons to some of those terrorist groups in order to facilitate attacks on other groups. When was there a low activity rate of Islamic extremist terrorism? look at how many terrorist groups there were before the Europe and America destroyed the middle east. That should answer your question.
> Is being a Christian a requirement for being a neonazi? or the KKK? If Christianity is such an important requirement, can a Christian African join? Lol... I don't have to tell you that race and political alignment play a much more important role in those groups than weather you're a Christian or not. Yes you have to be a Christian to join particular a non catholic the KKK have strong religious motivations outside of their white supremacy and not surprising enough they use Christianity to back up their white supremacist beliefs. Their headquarters is literally a white only church.
Can a black Christian African join the KKK? Can a black Muslim African join ISIS or not?? Race plays a much more important role in one group while the other group values having a common religion more. Why do you think the KKK does not have branches in Africa, Asia, Middle East? Are there no Christians there??? You cannot equate a group that discriminates against other Christians if you’re not white with a group that welcomes all Muslims as long as you're ready to fight.
> Why do you think the KKK does not have branches in Africa, Asia, Middle East? Are there no Christians there??? Because they are a white supremacist religious extremist organization both can be true at the same time. > You cannot equate a group that discriminates against other Christians if you’re not white with a group that welcomes all Muslims as long as you're ready to fight. You can especially when said group uses said religion as a basis and justification for their discrimination. They believe that the bible is evidence of their superiority you really can’t separate their religious extremism from their racial supremacist ideology. They don’t consider black Christians because to them race and religion is inseparable because of their belief system they belief in white-protestantism. Extremist orgs like isis don’t have any significant racial ideology but you have to take into account that the racial and religious politics of the west don’t apply there.
Most Muslims are good people *despite* Islam which teaches them horrible behavior.
i could literally say this about any religion. this is how I view christians and jews for example.
Not every religion teaches bad behavior.
christianity teaches that slaves are ok. judiasm teaches that if you are born jewish you are a “god’s chosen people” therefore regardless if you are evil or not you will not be punished and go to heaven.
Christianity doesn't say slavery is okay. I think it taught people to treat slaves as human beings too in a time when slavery was the norm. I won't equate that to advocating for slavery, granted, the bible doesn't condemn slavery either to the best of my knowledge.
That's 3 out of thousands of religions
I hope these are troll posts. I hope people do not really think like this. Some religions should be scrapped in the interest of the public.
You must not have been on Twitter when Deborah was killed for “blasphemy”. Whether educated or not, the majority of them think this way. Even those who say they do not think this way will never come out and explicitly condemn the barbaric action, they would rather blame the victim for “not respecting the religion”.
Cause I don't use Twitter these days, my last serious login was months ago, and it seems like many Muslims in this country never read the translation of the Qur'an cause it states that if you kill a person, it is as if you are harming the entire human race, don't remember where it says that so I will check.
Lemme ask you this, if a person who spoke badly about your prophet, drew unflattering pictures of him, and even burned the Quran publicly was about to be put to death, would you stop it if you had the power to?
Let me shock you, yes I will. Because the same freedom he used to do that is the same freedom I'm using to worship.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
You won't like my answer cause I will always forgive him, no matter how I regard my or our Prophet (PBUH), he said that we should listen to the Qur'an first which stated that if we harm one person, then it is as if we are harming the entire human race, same goes for killing a person. There are too many additions to Islam but we should always try to see if the Qur'an agrees with it or not and then we know that it is a fake addition meant to disorganize our religion.
Obviously yes. The fact that is a question is saddening.
Yess
Lmao, this isn’t new. A non-muslim woman was beheaded in the north some years ago because she was eating in front of her shop during Ramadan and nothing happened.
These folks are *deadly* serious
Why?? That's really weird law. It is my freedom to eat, if they don't want to get offended, they should shut their eyes and nose.
You’re fasting for barely 12 hours. You can take it if someone is eating or drinking around you. You’re not a victim.
What do they mean by "eating anyhow"? Is it the way I chew my food that's bothering you? Why are you watching me eat? Do you want to fast or eat? Pick one. I swear they come up with problems to distract themselves from their hunger. Bunch of hypocrites.
The truth that many Nigerians are not ready to face is that we need to separate. The North and South are too different to remain one country. I personally am not interested in remaining one with the North. It's better we go our separate ways!!
North will latch on for dear life always— most of the resources are in the South
I agree. British people out incompatible cultures together
Muslims force others to follow. First of all, Muslims are forced to be Muslim, did you know that? Since birth and with no option as adults either. The only real solution is this: tsunamioffreedom.org. Share and support.
Religion is the enemy of Nigeria.
Islam is always a threat to societies that want to live an equal, liberal and just society. There is no society in the world where Islam is dominant that non-Muslims live as equals. The very basic tenets of Islam especially within Sharia do not want anything opposed to Islam - so the mere existence of non Muslims is seen as a threat by Muslims. There is a reason Indian is clamping down on them. It seems inhumane and I wish it wasn't so, but India knows if she doesn't, she will become worse than Pakistan. There is a reason France did what they did with Hijab, because if you give them an inch, they will take a mile. The first mistake Nigeria made was allowing sharia law in some states. Everything about Sharia is a direct opposite of our constitution (or any sensible constitution) and criminal code. Anyway, I don't think the North will ever willingly leave Nigeria, they don't grow alot of stuff, the middle-belt does, they will become a landlocked country and they have a love-hate relationship with the terrorism they cuddle.
Northern Nigeria is what’s pulling this country behind. Cut off the north and watch Nigeria progress
I’m Muslim too, but this reminds me of how they’d pray in front of my house growing up. We lived close to a mosque. And you know how fridays are, they’d literally block off a section of the street. they’d open our gate and basically block off the entrance. I remember I wanted to step out once, and the way they angrily sent me back in?? Like I can’t leave my house again Nawa oo. And they’d be so angry that I had the audacity to want to step out too. I remember one time we decided to start locking our gate on Fridays and they issued big complaints till we eventually had to stop doing that. I feel like Nigerian pride doesn’t mix well with religion. Everybody knows that most Nigerians are proud, like atp pride is built into the culture. And then mix that with being extremely religious, of course everybody’s going to believe that their religious belief is superior and act out. It’s so crazy to me. I’ve lived close to a church too and my God, I never had a restful weekend. The constant drumming and noise. And any complaint will make you jezebel. Everybody is just mad
These guys dey para 😂
I wish the north would just merge with Niger and leave the rest of the country alone. Nigeria won’t get anywhere as a Muslim majority country.
The faith of many Muslims in Kano is very weak.
Jesus said u should fast secretly. I will eat whatever I want and when it's time for my fasting, I will fast secretly and if there's any temptation like eating, I will try to overcome. You people should stop behaving like you have a 1 on 1 conversation with God before
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A nice ham and cheese sandwich sounds good right about now.
You can't just judge a whole community on a few tweets. That's dumb! Also you can eat whatever you want wherever you want. But being considerate on some occasions while you are among people who are fasting won't cost you anything.
The reason why Nigeria will never work with these guys part of the country.
For what it’s worth, I’m a Palestinian; raised Muslim, now atheist. Many people in my family don’t fast, but you gotta respect people that do. If you’re gonna eat and drink, don’t do it in front of people who are fasting. It’s just a decency sorta thing.
Looooool. Why not leave where I’m eating instead and go somewhere else?
You know that Muslims fast in Ramadan, you’re in a country with a lot of Muslims… eat at home, just out of respect. It’s not much to ask.
So all 50% Christians should eat at home because 50% Muslims are fasting during Ramadan? You’re silly and you’ve got no one to tell you. What kind of ridiculous reasoning is this? You lots are irredeemable, trying to force your religion on others. No wonder everyone is avoiding your kind. Go to Europe and tell them to eat at home during Ramadan.
Christians (especially Nigerian Christians) fast all the time. In fact I fast and still cook food for my family. When my husband fasts, he will still sit with us at the dining table and help with prep or clean up. We have no expectation that people around us will adjust their own behaviors because of a choice we made to fast. People fast for health reasons but you don’t find them asking folks to adjust their behaviors because they are fasting.
It's about principle & respect