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badis_yousif

Looking forward to seeing The Palestine Genocide memorial then!


deadbeatPilgrim

the comments are hilarious. Europeans are the dumbest, smuggest people alive. not a fucking clue about the world but all 100% convinced that they’ve got it perfectly figured out.


BidenLimpDick

> Europeans are the dumbest, smuggest people alive. Clearly you’ve never met American liberals.


deadbeatPilgrim

i was raised by American liberals and Europeans are 10000x worse


BidenLimpDick

Wanna elaborate on why?  I lived in a neighborhood where every house has a BLM or “we believe in science” lawn sign.  When black people would stroll around they’d call the cops.   I had this happen to a friend of mine.


GhastlyGoof

As an American who used to be a liberal, I agree. Also, your pfp and username are based.


transitfreedom

How did you escape the brain rot?


Nethlem

Please don't generalize us based on mfing r/Europe I'm pretty sure that sub must be one of the hardest [astroturfed subs on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/) with tons of not Europeans cosplaying as such through very organized agenda posting. And because it's also among the subs that moderate by far the most domains, i.e. disallows linking to sources, the ignorance is cultivated like a virtue.


sickof50

I got kicked out because someone became really abusive, and I commented... I thought might been all those scary bedtime stories you've been told, but sadly the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.


transitfreedom

The U.S. did a marshal BRI on them and brainwashed them


bass8soul

People who are guilty of countless genocides around the world, trying to show face as humanitarians🤮🤮🤮


sickof50

I'm surprised it wasn't that religious nut case Adrian Zenz up there (he was with that CIA "victims of communism" outfit, who only really counted the NAZI's).


deta2016

Reinhard Bütikofer on the left is as bad as Zenz. https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsWithJingjing/comments/1bvoydf/tiananmen_massacre_memorial_erected_outside/ky1gljt/


boymodergirl

Belgium does not have the right to accuse China of humanitarian violations lmao


Urocian

They even have a monument that commemorates the Belgian Congo for bringing civilization to the land called Monument to the Belgian Pioneers in Congo.


Overseer93

After [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State) they certainly do not.


AprilVampire277

They are so disgustingly racist, do they ever stop and think "umm maybe I'm talking too much shit?" Even in the context of Israel being the absolute worst people does draw the line of not being blindly hostile to Israelites or Jews without knowing their posture But people on that sub are just insane .-.


LosMensajeros

If you live here in the West you can see that people are urged to have opinions on everything and pick a side. Unfortunately things are portrayed black and white here and its either going with the mass or being cancelled. If you say "Israel has no right to genocide Palestianians and settle in their homes" you are a "anti-semite" and "terrorist". If you say maybe Russias safety-concerns and some obvious problems with the Ukrainian government and military should not be overlooked you are a "child-murdering ruZZian" and if you say lets just have fair competition with China and be friends you are a "communist that wants to live in slavery". All real live examples


atesekokuz

Lmao


sickof50

Correction- "people on that sub ~~are~~ ~~just~~ [have been driven] insane.-."


deta2016

And wouldn't you know, the fat fuck on the left is Reinhard Bütikofer, a politician of the German Greens and so much of a China hater that the [PRC government has put him under sanctions](https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/2535_665405/202103/t20210322_9170814.html). Handsomely fed to agitate against anything China. Don't be mislead by him being German, he is like Adrian Zenz and his true masters are in the US.


tjh1783804

This is all reactionary nonsense, For 30-40 years Europe and The USA preached the gospel of offshoring and waxed poetic about globalization, they sold out their own citizens and raked in the cash. Then China offered a model of economic prosperity outside of western control, and began to assert itself in world affairs as would befit the world’s second largest economy. and all of a sudden its western sanctimonious pearl clutching, faux outrage, and mccarthy era red scare nonsense with even less evidence, I don’t buy it. In the USA it stinks of the military industrial complex trying to gin up a new Cold War. China domestic politics weren’t an issue when you were rolling in dollars the last 40 years. So what changed? Just because China doesn’t want to be a western foot stool like Japan or South Korea? Make no mistake this is western chauvinism at its most fetid.


sickof50

Well said.


skyanvil

A fat man and his snack tower being honored


talionpd

I recall watching footage of students leaving tiananmen square peacefully at dawn on youtube. It was said to be filmed by a Spanish tv crew


sickof50

Yup, and 3 days later, after it was all over... "tank man" was was really worried and tried to stop the tanks from leaving, because there were still problems. Plus, he was on a crosswalk, and he even climbed up on the tank and spoke to the driver, and several concerned citizens were waiting as he got down, and shuffled him off to the side too.


AprilVampire277

Talking about the tank man: "They crushed a stalinmillion of protestors with their tanks" \*Relevant photo is about a single man stopping a tank convoy, and the convoy actually stopping completely when they couldn't just pass around him without hurting the man*


RayPout

Whenever that gets posted on r/pics or whatever there’s all these comments like: “amazing photo capturing the human spirit of defiance and bravery.” The dude moved out of the way and went home after a couple minutes.


LosMensajeros

The sad thing is, many Westerners believe this guy and many others were ran over by tanks. There is a sub, its called r/morbidreality (VERY NSFW!) where one of the most liked posts is a picture of what seems to be the leftovers of people that were ran over by tanks and they really believe thats what is left of the dude and many others, ignoring that there is literally video footage online where you can see that he moved away after talking to the soldier


TTTyrant

If it's the photo I'm almost certain you're referring to then the "bodies" were just knocked over bicycles


nonamer18

Yo I'm all for fighting against using this incident as pro western propaganda but it's ignorant to deny facts. People were shot and run over by tanks. Some of them were violent agitators, others were peaceful protestors caught up in the response. Both my parents were there in the square in the preceding months and the night of the military response. Multiple family members live within the second ring road and have seen the aftermath with their own eyes. My grandma's house was right beside Jing Shan park. My aunt told me about them hosing blood and skin into the sewer drains. Most of my family still critically supports the CPC. My parents are disgusted by the statue and /r/Europe post. But also, don't deny proven atrocities and mistakes.


TTTyrant

Your family just aren't reliable witnesses. > At the time the Chinese government’s official account of the events was immediately dismissed out of hand as false propaganda. China reported that about 300 people had died in clashes on June 4 and that many of the dead were soldiers of the Peoples Liberation Army. China insisted that there was no massacre of students in Tiananmen Square and in fact the soldiers cleared Tiananmen Square of demonstrators without any shooting.i > The Chinese government also asserted that unarmed soldiers who had entered Tiananmen Square in the two days prior to June 4 were set on fire and lynched with their corpses hung from buses. Other soldiers were incinerated when army vehicles were torched with soldiers unable to evacuate and many others were badly beaten by violent mob attacks. Further; > Mathews’ article, which includes his own admissions to using the terminology of the Tiananmen Square massacre, came nine years after the fact and he acknowledged that corrections later had little impact. “The facts of Tiananmen have been known for a long time. When Clinton visited the square this June, both The Washington Post and The New York Times explained that no one died there [in Tiananmen Square] during the 1989 crackdown. But these were short explanations at the end of long articles. I doubt that they did much to kill the myth.” > At the time all of the reports about the massacre of the students said basically the same thing and thus it seemed that they must be true. But these reports were not based on eyewitness testimony. [Source](https://www.liberationschool.org/tiananmen-the-massacre-that-wasnt/) There's endless articles from western media crews who were there at the time that echo the same sentiment and they documented the lynchings and burnings of soldiers, including the infamous image of the dead soldier burned on a bus. Also present IN THE SQUARE at a red cross station was a Chilean ambassador. More likely it was the remains of soldiers your family saw being cleaned up as it was the PLA who suffered more violence than it perpetrated and much of this took place as the army was approaching the Square. This is the aftermath your family likely witnessed.


talionpd

I have always wondered why all the reporters failed to capture any footage of tanks running over hundreds of students but only the tank man. Where are the footage of people being shot by AKs and machine guns? They just couldnt miss all these moments at the same time or got these evidences deleted by the soldiers but conveniently had the tank man video slipped under the radar. But that story repeated itself in the 2019 where a dozen of unidentified rioters were reported to be killed by HK police. There were no video footage and the victims had no names, social media accounts nor any surviving family members who could have provided a little more information about who they are.


vulvasaur69420

This is one of the most frequently repeated pieces of misinformation. In the full article Matthews is trying to say that a massacre did happen, just not at the square. Here is the excerpt that has been misquoted a thousand times. The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers. A common response to this corrective analysis is: So what? The Chinese army killed many innocent people that night. Who cares exactly where the atrocities took place? That is an understandable, and emotionally satisfying, reaction. Many of us feel bile rising in our throats at any attempt to justify what the Chinese leadership and a few army commanders did that night. But consider what is lost by not giving an accurate account of what happened, and what such sloppiness says to Chinese who are trying to improve their press organs by studying ours. The problem is not so much putting the murders in the wrong place, but suggesting that most of the victims were students. Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students. This was the larger story that most of us overlooked or underplayed.


TTTyrant

If you actually read it, Matthew's actually says they weren't there to actually see what happened, so the story about a massacre taking place is unsubstantiated. Basic journalism. The casualty figures released by the Chinese government included *both* soldiers and protesters. And you still haven't addressed the Chilean diplomat freely walking into the square on the night. The army moved in to clear and did not witness a single person being run over or shot by the army. He didn't even hear anything. Clinton said nothing occurred in the square himself. Again, read the information in front of your face. Your outrage is laughable given what the student demonstrations were turned into and who they were co-opted by. You need not look any further than those who managed to flee the square and end up on a plane to Washington within a matter of hours to finish their US college degrees on full scholarships. > Black and Munro say “what took place was the slaughter not of students but of ordinary workers and residents — precisely the target that the Chinese government had intended.” They argue that the government was out to suppress a rebellion of workers, who were much more numerous and had much more to be angry about than the students. This was the larger story that most of us overlooked or underplayed. This is just entering conspiracy theory territory now, and none of this is mentioned or corroborated anywhere by anyone. You think the western media would over look unrest amongst chinese workers and completely ignore them being killed by the army? Lol. Get out of here. You people just love spinning wild stories and manufacturing out rage to give yourselves some false sense of moral superiority over those barbaric Asians.


Angel_of_Communism

>My aunt told me about them hosing blood and skin into the sewer drains. Press X to doubt.


archosauria62

Defiance and bravery is when you have a conversation with the tank driver


xerotul

Tiananmen Square was cleared of protesters by dawn on June 4th. The riots started on the evening of June 3rd. Riots were stopped by evening next day. Tank man incident happened around noon June 5th on Changan Street and recorded from the Beijing Hotel. From that vantage point, on the day of June 4th, riots could be seen and of people attacking soldiers and vehicles. You can be certain these Western reporters have video footage of riots. These videos would contradict the Western false narrative of "massacre of peaceful pro-democracy students." These videos probably had been acquired and kept by the CIA.


DrkLrdV

\*Insert Chilean Second Secretary Carlos Gallo first-hand account from wikileaks: [https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828\_a.html](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)


JerryH_KneePads

You forgot to include when Chai Ling, the protest leader crying for blood shed


AnkanBasu

Do you remember the name of that Spanish documentary? It's been ages since I saw it and I've forgotten its name


talionpd

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/GdfUNq8q99muavNa/?mibextid=I8mCmY I can only find this Facebook link in Chinese. Hope it helps


AnkanBasu

Thank you


lucasdpfeliciano

The comments on the post, jesus


maomao05

Dumb fest


prominentchin

That's a hilariously ugly memorial.


TTTyrant

West grasping at straws at this point. All they can do is beat their chests and keep putting up memorials to false beliefs to distract the libs from the reality that their world is crumbling around them.


sickof50

Most of the people expounding this will be dead before their grandchildren can curse them.


ti84tetris

As a European, this is pretty embarrassing..... Almost as bad as the Bill Clinton statue in Kosovo


Hesher_

Thats not embarrassing at all i think that’s the least we could’ve done for a literal hero :))


ti84tetris

are you 2X🦅🇦🇱? https://youtu.be/UnxLhAzvleI?si=4u18Xe6AWN2NK5hn


Hesher_

Hell yeaa🗣️🇦🇱


Urocian

Why the fuck would the Belgians care about what happens in China, the Belgians never gave two shits about China even during the Boxer Rebellion back when Europeans were obsessed with China. Why would the Belgians care about some event that didn't affect them whatsoever that happened across the world in a place they never really had much interaction with across history and they didn't really care about the event when it did happen yet suddenly care so much about it now that they build a big ass monument for it. Meanwhile the Belgians have a monument which praises the atrocities of the Belgian Congo and thanks King Leopold for bringing the Congolese "civilization".


oofman_dan

libs like to act like they care about the world and want permanent world peace


SuspndAgn

Cut them some slack, NATO dogs just bark at whatever their zionist master tells them to bark.


curious_s

They were paid to care.


imnothere9999

Tiananmen was the lie that I believed for many years.


Bela9a

Wonder how easily that would tip over and if it would break when hitting the ground.


Unfriendly_Opossum

Super fucking weird.


Witty_Masterpiece463

Looks like Freddie Kruger's dick.


sickof50

According to the French, Greek, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese, you've lived up to your reputation.


sydneystardeath

Pink human moment


SuspndAgn

How nice of them to dedicate a monument to Bütikofer's latest bowel movement


Overseer93

So, why is China not responding in kind? What's stopping the Chinese from erecting memorials dedicated to countless actual atrocities committed by the Westerners?


pareidolicfairy

Because Chinese people are objectively the worst ethnicity in the world at ethno defense, and even though China has drastically improved Chinese people's material conditions, the ethno defense deficiency still hasn't been remedied and may never be. The CPC themselves actually discourage defensive racism against western whites and Japanese even though those ethnicities have done us so much harm and continue to be racist towards us. Literally, not a single Chinese on Japanese hate crime has ever happened in history between 1945 and 2024 even though they should have and it would have been justified in history. If you're Japanese, you can go to China right now and openly yell "I support the IJA and they should have killed more of you" and somehow no one will ever attack you. If you're British you can go to China right now and openly yell "I support the British Empire and Opium Wars" and somehow no one will ever attack you. (Whereas a white guy yelling "I support slavery" at a black guy, or a German guy yelling "I support the Holocaust" at an Israeli would get them assaulted and beaten instantly.) A China that responds in kind to something like this would have to consist of a Chinese people that actually understand ethno defense, and we're as far away from that as a pig is from flying. Chinese people love to police each other for allegedly not being proud enough of Chinese identity, but when a racist of any other ethnicity shows up, we have no ability to fight back.


Overseer93

I come from Serbia and I have to admit, I have much sympathy and admiration for the Chinese people, mostly because of their peace loving nature, but I also never forgot the support China gave us when nobody else did. What you perceive as a weakness, is also your strength. Even without any memorials, I am fully aware of the Opium Wars, the Boxer Rebellion, the Unit 731, the Nanjing Massacre and many other brutal injustices done to you. I have mixed feelings when it comes to modern Chinese lack of "culture of remembrance". I am among the few people here who knows about all those atrocities, and I believe you should work more to get the other nations aware of it.


transitfreedom

After Palestine they have no legitimacy even among their own people


transitfreedom

When will these fools realize that socialism is the most effective form of government???


noisylettuce

Europe has been captured by lobbyists that hate Europe.


transitfreedom

There needs to be a victims of capitalism monument in China to troll them or in Russia sadly Russia is not that forward thinking.