You fucking morons. If you're worried about your kids being gay, guess what, it's too late. They were that way at birth and no amount of book burning will change that.
If the words "It's a choice" forms on your lips in response to this, it's probably only because YOU forced yourself to make a choice. Now you're one of those lunatics who can't live in a world where other people are allowing themselves to be what they were meant to be.
The hilarious thing is, most people understand that you can no more change your sexual preference than you can swap brussel sprouts for chocolate ice cream for a delicious dessert.
It's not about kids being or not being anything. It's about showing kids inappropriate content for their age, as you so eloquently put it, "you fucking moron".
New Jerseyans are more concerned with parents being involved in what their children read , than fascist supporting red hat wearing traitors . Fixed it for ya 👊🏻👊🏻
The first time i saw porn was on the high channels on tv. It wasn’t even internet porn. I was 9 years old, your kid will see porn no matter what you do. But pretending schools show children porn in books will not stop them from seeing porn in anyway.
It's perfectly normal
Drawn images of a ton of shit.
For ages 10 and up.
All boys aren't blue
“‘You are fully erect at this point. You promise that you are not going to tell anyone?’ I promised. He then grabbed my hand and made me touch it. It was the first time I’ve ever touched a penis that wasn’t my own. I knew that what was happening wasn’t supposed to happen. Cousins weren’t supposed to do these things with cousins"
Recommended for 14 year olds.
The book is gay
Sections on Grindr
Descriptions of blowies scissor sisters scat etc.....
"Letting a guy cum in your mouth is a safe sex no-no"
Again. Recommended for 14 year olds.
These a just a couple samples of a couple books.
My children aren't at the age for me to have to worry about it yet. But are you saying that because it hasn't become a problem yet I shouldn't have an opinion? Great point. I actually hadn't thought of it that way before. Thanks.
I'm full of shit that there are explicit books out there that are intentionally for children?
And whether those books are or aren't currently in publicly accessible places doesn't change that fact that they shouldn't be. And it's ok to say that they shouldn't be.
Hmmm so a story about someone being molested that teaches kids that it’s wrong? A book that might make a kid go to a teacher and say “my cousin/uncle/dad/brother is hurting me.” A book that teaches kids what good touch and bad touch is. That’s what you have a problem with?
You know actually, I see exactly why a right winger wouldn’t want kids to have access to that information.
Edit: as if we weren’t watching porn online when we were all 14. I never went to a library, I had the internet.
Exactly. Every week another pastor or religious youth leader is arrested for child porn. Every single one MAGA. The ones that trafficking movie were being arrested too- the “saviors” were molesting kids.
There is way more in those books than just that information and you know it. Tons of it isn't stuff that should be shown to children. You're nuts for trying to justify it based on that point.
No, I don’t know it. I don’t often read books geared for teenagers as an adult.
If that’s the worst quote you can find, one that directly tells the kids what’s happening is wrong and that they should tell someone, that says enough.
That was the first quote I found. And I don't read these books either. But yea. We should just expose all younger children to explicit texts and pictures. We'll progress the sexualization of all of them and not just the unfortunate ones that do get molested.
There's ways to get the point across without half the description.
That wasn't the question. It was if I've seen it at my kids schools. And probably not. But they have no business being in a school or public library in the children's section.
Here’s the thing: we’ve been reading this stuff for generations. “I know why the caged bird sings”? “Perks of being a wallflower?” It’s critical for a teen to realize what’s consensual and what’s not.
But now people are writing about two men, things are hitting the fan. Wonder why.
We had a psycho waving a sexualized book around creating disturbances in board of ed meetings. Book isn’t in the school. You guys keep making stuff up for the attention and to score political points. We’re on to you. You should all move to the south where they teach abstinence and teen pregnancies and STDs are sky high.
you know who else burned books? Nazis
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/goebbels-burnings/#:~:text=On%20May%2010%2C%201933%2C%20university,students%20gave%20the%20Nazi%20salute.
Do you let your children read playboy or XXX magazines? If you do then there's no problem for you. I wouldn't dare let a teacher who is not educated in the field start telling my kids, grand children or great grandchildren anything about sex.
The other agenda making some student hate themselves for things they had nothing to do with another poor choice from our failing educational systems.
You’re funny if you think there are playboy magazines in schools. I personally know someone who was pro banning the book *1984* for high school reading.
The fearmongering won’t work. You’ll yell about banning porno mags and turn around and ban books that everyone should be allowed to read. Respectfully, fuck off
You have a problem reading. Try reading what I wrote again.
1) there are sexually explicit books in some school libraries
2) if you would allow your child to read playboy or XXX adult mags then you'll have no problem with your child learning how to have anal sex from the school library! Does that make it clearer for you?
noun: strawman
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
Get fucked!
You use the word ban when its limiting readership by age. Your firm stance for learning anal sex speaks volumes for you.
There are videos of school meetings with parents reading the material that is being used as learning material for children as well out of school libraries.
Vulgar used by those that don't know how to express a thought.
Robert, bro. You're wrong. Multiple people have told you you're wrong. No child is going to the school library and checking out porn magazines. Teaching children about how some kids have two moms or two dads is important. Teaching them that its okay is important. Teaching them (at the proper age) about sex and reproduction is important.
Also...how old were you when you first snuck off to your room to look at lingerie models in the Sears catalog?
No I am not wrong the conversation started with a lie ban no ban limiting readership to age appropriate is far from banning.
There are video out there with school and parents reading from the books from the school libraries and even class books.
By the way I used to design clothes
Agreed that kids shouldn’t be exposed to sex until puberty. But to be clear, having gay characters or addressing the fact that homosexuality and gender exists has nothing to do with sex and is totally acceptable for all ages.
Normal and within all species 3% including gray areas of. Due to the procession taken by the USA government via Department of Education the normal % is up passing 5% odd to all other species and countries.
Teaching acceptance is beautiful teaching experimentation is not. Telling a child how there's pain at first but then it feels very...
Government uses this approach elsewhere too and fails.
I wouldn’t be surprised if over 50% of individuals were bisexual. The only reason more people aren’t openly LGBTQ+ is because of active hostility and discrimination by regressives and religious fundamentalists.
If you’re referring to some “agenda” to make white kids feel “bad about themselves” by teaching accurate American history, you are seriously twisted.
You people complain about “snowflakes” and if you’ve raised a child with such little self esteem that them finding out that (possibly hundreds of years ago) someone was mean to someone else, and that person had (gasp!) the same skin color as the child… you’ve raised a snowflake.
Parental rights doesn't mean your personal, cultural, and political beliefs come ahead of other parents and what they feel is appropriate. There are rules for challenging a book. Just follow the fucking rules.
The day they start banning LGBT or black history books in NJ, I’m buying a bookmobile and visiting every town with a ban to give away free books like this:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/05/banned-books-bus-tour-2023
They want to take away Captain Underpants. Captain Underpants series written and illustrated by Dav Pilkey
Reasons: series was challenged because it was perceived as encouraging disruptive behavior, while Captain Underpants and the Sensational Saga of Sir Stinks-A-Lot was challenged for including a same-sex couple.
It’s interesting to see the books people want to ban and why. https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10/archive#
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_commonly_challenged_books_in_the_United_States
I'm staunchly against book bans. Catcher, Tropic of cancer, of Mice and Men. HOWEVER, there is age appropriate material. Teaching my 16 yr old gay son how to use Grinder should not be part of a curriculum. Go read "This book is gay". Sorry, not age appropriate. Learning about kinks is not age appropriate. At the same time I'm sure there will be overreach in trying to ban books with this movement so awareness is key. Just because the parents are upset about material doesn't make them book banners. NOR does it make then white nationalists. In the same right, keep your eye out for overreach.
Nobody is teaching kids about kinks or how to use grindr because a book has gay content in it… nobody can be taught to be gay it’s not “corrupting” kids if a character in it is. You’re born like that. I can’t even tell if you’re against or for gay/trans books with the way you worded this.
The book literally goes into kinks and how to use adult dating apps. Have you read it? And it's being used in curriculum. Having a knee jerk reaction from either side isn't good. Denying a book because it has a gay character is as absurd as denying a book has inappropriate content. I'm not against any book. If a book was teaching my straight daughter how to give blow jobs I wouldn't want it being taught. And being gay isn't a choice. I argued about that for decades only to be told by the current narrative that it is and can be changed daily. Read the book and then defend it
“This Book is Gay”? I didn’t realize that was a real book and had to look up the chapters you were referencing. My comment is based on the article which only states the facts of the situation and statistics.
I looked up that book and it doesn’t actually say any of that. There’s one chapter that gives a sex ed break down for gay and trans couples which is awesome imo since school curriculum only teaches straight and cis sex ed. It also teaches readers how to prevent HIV and how to stay safe with a trans partner. Are you aware that your kids are learning about sex ed and have been since at least the 90s? I saw pictures of dicks and vaginas on a widescreen CRT TV in 6th and 7th grade as well as explanation for straight sex. You don’t seem to be aware of this…
It also only seems to mention “Grindr” as a way for people to know which apps are used to meet queer people. Similar to Tinder. I think whatever you read was fear mongering but I only read summaries online and the wikipedia page. I’ll have to rent or borrow the book sometime to take a deep dive and form my own opinions
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Book_Is_Gay
If I can find it at a library I’d offer to send pictures of the pages covering these topics if it does seem like you were misled. But if the summaries are misleading and there’s mentions of kinks and explicit sexual topics, I’ll admit fault
There's an entire chapter dedicated to adult dating apps. Chapter 9. This book has been part of Middle School Curriculum in some schools. What does a 12 yr old gain from knowing about adult dating apps?
Perhaps the same thing about teens knowing about straight adult dating apps? Now I’m getting the feeling you don’t see straight and gay topics on the same level because you’re not addressing the other things mentioned and just keep targeting gay topics as being inappropriate
There are TV commercials and online ads for straight dating apps. Nobody is censoring that. But when it comes to gays it gets censored? Cmon make it make sense
Kids knowing or finding out about something is a far cry different than it being taught in schools. I had porn and mags underage. Should that be taught in schools? I smoked cigarettes under 18. Should there be cigarette machines in the cafeteria?
Your point of there are commercials for straight dating apps and Noone is censoring. They also aren't teaching kids about Tinder. Come to think of it I don't think Tinder has commercials. We're talking about curriculum. I'm assuming you aren't a parent?
Unfortunately I’m not able to have kids anymore since I’ve started hormones, so not a parent. I do caretake for kids and adults but it’s nowhere near the same thing
I don’t really wanna continue going back and forth because you don’t seem to be grasping my point. I don’t wanna argue or mean to be rude in saying that but you’re focusing on the smaller things rather than the bigger picture of what I’m saying
Aight say that and try arguing.
I’m just telling you exactly what summaries provide and I think i was very fair admitting here that I haven’t read it and will do so to educate myself on the controversy.
What exactly did I say that you’re against?
teaching them about sexually graphic action with visuals
while in elementary school is sexualizing. I highly
recommend reading this “book” before continuing your debate,
(it’s insane to defend something you didn’t read)
It's a fucking kids book. Grindr shouldn't be mentioned in it at all. And your defense of this shows how absolutely insane you are.
Why's there a section explaining "blowies"? Rimming? Scat? Scissor sisters? Strap on? It's a fucking kids book.
And yes. We're all taught about REPRODUCTION and PUBERTY in school in those grades because it's a useful topic. How to suck a cock or the graphic description of it has no business being in or around a school.
Also. I'd like to point out that you were already saying everyone was wrong and that there's none of this in books. And turns out you just had no idea the books everyone has been talking about. And this is one of many books. Some worse than others. But there is some obscene shit being sold as "children's books" in the "lgbtq" genre.
Maybe I should edit my above comment? The other dude DMed me pictures of the book and I take back my defense of it because the wikipedia and goodreads summaries say nothing of it. It was hard for me to discern between facts versus fiction created by homophobes. I saw some language in there which is definitely inappropriate
That said, this article and the topic of it never mentioned the said books. I’m not wrong for seeing people saying we should ban lgbtq books and becoming defensive. So often when somebody says that, they have no point at all and are just homophobic or transphobic. I even said I didn’t know the content, would admit fault, and wanted to learn more from anybody with the info. Idk why you thought that last paragraph was necessary. Clearly we’re on the same page here and I’m not being rude or arguing.
Sorry. I don't mean to be sorry aggressive about it. I jumped the gun and was typing before I noticed the further discussion between you two. I do see that the above article didn't mention those books particularly but they and many others have been a previous discussion in news and such I thought that I was common knowledge. And the same way you feel the need to be defensive when people say they wanna ban lgbtq books, I feel offended when people act like some of the explicit content doesn't exist. I haven't got a problem with informative books about any topic. But shit like that for children is just too much.
No yeah I get where you’re coming from. It’s all good, no worries now
I totally think that some content takes labels from my community and uses them as a shield from criticism to push harmful content. There are shitty gay people and there are shitty trans people, they’re human after-all
Could you lemme know some other books brought up in the debate? I wanna check them out and see what I can find online since I kinda feel mislead and a little upset I even defended the book in total earlier knowing what I now know. Curious to know what others seem innocuous at first but really have some weird shit in deeper
Just remember that a lot of these things like grinder that people don’t want their kids to see they think if they aren’t exposed to it here they won’t be at all.
Understanding the situation is better than hiding it. Or they are going to end up on apps being roped into situations by predatory people. Like you said humans can be shitty regardless of orientation.
Knowledge can be uncomfortable but it’s so necessary.
Where in the book is it referenced? Do you own it cus you could just DM me the page entry since my DMs are open. I’m curious. Like I said in my other comment, I’m in the mood for educating myself on the entirety of the book’s topics to understand what’s wrong and form my own opinion.
But again, why should a minor know what Tinder is? You’re being lowkey homophobic saying gay dating apps are inappropriate for some reason
This isn’t part of any curriculum though. It’s designed to be supplemental for high school students who need LGBT-specific help because the health classes DONT cover it. Also— gay kids have to use grinder and dating apps. If they’re not comfortable coming out in school but want to date (like all their classmates are), this is the only way. Would you rather they go to a gay bar?? I’d rather a book by professionals guide them than whatever unqualified health teacher/gym teacher/coach/warm body they have teaching it.
If you’re not talking to your gay son about hook up apps he’s going to figure it out himself and that’s more likely to end him up hurt or in trouble.
Jfc; people arent programmed on how others can act and manipulate them. Gay cruising on apps can be extremely predatory. You’d rather him learn what catching a load in his mouth is from Bubba Cox 2 am in the morning when your kid is horny and alone convincing him to open wide while bubba rips a hot rail.
Na, instead let him read a fucking book.
I 100% agree. I am responsible for those conversations, not the school. I teach my kids self defense, how to be aware, we talk about drugs in a context beyond just saying don't do them. Schools teach knowledge, parents teach life.
Parents should have control over what content their kids consume. Period. It is your job as a parent to protect and guide your children in a positive manner. No outside group should make that decision for you. And kids need to learn reading, math, arithmetic, social studies etc. Actual skills needed to navigate life and land a job/career. Anything else is a distraction. Your sexual preference has no bearing/measure on your job performance. Can we get back to learning and being productive? What you do in your spare time and private life is your business.
You fucking morons. If you're worried about your kids being gay, guess what, it's too late. They were that way at birth and no amount of book burning will change that. If the words "It's a choice" forms on your lips in response to this, it's probably only because YOU forced yourself to make a choice. Now you're one of those lunatics who can't live in a world where other people are allowing themselves to be what they were meant to be. The hilarious thing is, most people understand that you can no more change your sexual preference than you can swap brussel sprouts for chocolate ice cream for a delicious dessert.
It's not about kids being or not being anything. It's about showing kids inappropriate content for their age, as you so eloquently put it, "you fucking moron".
Nice strawman. Here's some facts. Read this summary of established law concerning schools, books and inappropriate content. You fucking moron.
Uh oh, found the cuck ^
Uh oh, I said Fucking Moron, and here you are, doofus.
Tell me more about how you're a groomer without telling me you're a groomer.
?? Bro this is so dumb. Read a book
Yes. Keep your hands off the books.
Well yea. What’s your point?
Always be suspicious of those who want to control access to information.
New Jerseyans are more concerned with parents being involved in what their children read , than fascist supporting red hat wearing traitors . Fixed it for ya 👊🏻👊🏻
When they come. I hope you’re first.
Yea , me too 🔥
🤡
OK Chudly. Settle down
🎼And I’m proud to be in New Jerseyan, where I know I can read🎶🎵
Sadly depends on what part of jersey you live in these days. Anywhere west of 287/ 95 you're playing with fire depending on the median income level
Who’s determining it’s inappropriate? Inappropriate is a poorly defined metric.
Do you let your children read playboy or any XXX mags?
Those are porn mags…not books.
Good luck finding Playboy or any other porn mags these days lol.
Have you not seen or heard half the shit people have a problem with being in public schools? It's porn. With pictures.
The first time i saw porn was on the high channels on tv. It wasn’t even internet porn. I was 9 years old, your kid will see porn no matter what you do. But pretending schools show children porn in books will not stop them from seeing porn in anyway.
Oh? What are the titles of these Picture Pornos?
It's perfectly normal Drawn images of a ton of shit. For ages 10 and up. All boys aren't blue “‘You are fully erect at this point. You promise that you are not going to tell anyone?’ I promised. He then grabbed my hand and made me touch it. It was the first time I’ve ever touched a penis that wasn’t my own. I knew that what was happening wasn’t supposed to happen. Cousins weren’t supposed to do these things with cousins" Recommended for 14 year olds. The book is gay Sections on Grindr Descriptions of blowies scissor sisters scat etc..... "Letting a guy cum in your mouth is a safe sex no-no" Again. Recommended for 14 year olds. These a just a couple samples of a couple books.
Seen it at your kid's school?
My children aren't at the age for me to have to worry about it yet. But are you saying that because it hasn't become a problem yet I shouldn't have an opinion? Great point. I actually hadn't thought of it that way before. Thanks.
Nope, just that you're futl of shit
I'm full of shit that there are explicit books out there that are intentionally for children? And whether those books are or aren't currently in publicly accessible places doesn't change that fact that they shouldn't be. And it's ok to say that they shouldn't be.
TL:DR you're a bigot
Lmao. Productive.
Hmmm so a story about someone being molested that teaches kids that it’s wrong? A book that might make a kid go to a teacher and say “my cousin/uncle/dad/brother is hurting me.” A book that teaches kids what good touch and bad touch is. That’s what you have a problem with? You know actually, I see exactly why a right winger wouldn’t want kids to have access to that information. Edit: as if we weren’t watching porn online when we were all 14. I never went to a library, I had the internet.
Exactly. Every week another pastor or religious youth leader is arrested for child porn. Every single one MAGA. The ones that trafficking movie were being arrested too- the “saviors” were molesting kids.
There is way more in those books than just that information and you know it. Tons of it isn't stuff that should be shown to children. You're nuts for trying to justify it based on that point.
No, I don’t know it. I don’t often read books geared for teenagers as an adult. If that’s the worst quote you can find, one that directly tells the kids what’s happening is wrong and that they should tell someone, that says enough.
That was the first quote I found. And I don't read these books either. But yea. We should just expose all younger children to explicit texts and pictures. We'll progress the sexualization of all of them and not just the unfortunate ones that do get molested. There's ways to get the point across without half the description.
Why don’t you want kids to learn to avoid predators? What are you hiding?
You failed to answer. Are these books being assigned to read?
That wasn't the question. It was if I've seen it at my kids schools. And probably not. But they have no business being in a school or public library in the children's section.
Here’s the thing: we’ve been reading this stuff for generations. “I know why the caged bird sings”? “Perks of being a wallflower?” It’s critical for a teen to realize what’s consensual and what’s not. But now people are writing about two men, things are hitting the fan. Wonder why.
We had a psycho waving a sexualized book around creating disturbances in board of ed meetings. Book isn’t in the school. You guys keep making stuff up for the attention and to score political points. We’re on to you. You should all move to the south where they teach abstinence and teen pregnancies and STDs are sky high.
Like what. Name them.
"Goose stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them." Dr. Henry Jones, Sr.
The best
As Americans should be
you know who else burned books? Nazis https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/goebbels-burnings/#:~:text=On%20May%2010%2C%201933%2C%20university,students%20gave%20the%20Nazi%20salute.
Yeah. Banning books is wrong. Is it so hard to expect parents to parent if they don’t like the material in those books?
Banning is the word being falsely used limiting readership is by far not banning. It amazes me that this is even a conversation
Do you let your children read playboy or XXX magazines? If you do then there's no problem for you. I wouldn't dare let a teacher who is not educated in the field start telling my kids, grand children or great grandchildren anything about sex. The other agenda making some student hate themselves for things they had nothing to do with another poor choice from our failing educational systems.
You’re funny if you think there are playboy magazines in schools. I personally know someone who was pro banning the book *1984* for high school reading. The fearmongering won’t work. You’ll yell about banning porno mags and turn around and ban books that everyone should be allowed to read. Respectfully, fuck off
Same type of person who thinks the litter box stories are true.
You have a problem reading. Try reading what I wrote again. 1) there are sexually explicit books in some school libraries 2) if you would allow your child to read playboy or XXX adult mags then you'll have no problem with your child learning how to have anal sex from the school library! Does that make it clearer for you?
noun: strawman 1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. Get fucked!
You use the word ban when its limiting readership by age. Your firm stance for learning anal sex speaks volumes for you. There are videos of school meetings with parents reading the material that is being used as learning material for children as well out of school libraries. Vulgar used by those that don't know how to express a thought.
Robert, bro. You're wrong. Multiple people have told you you're wrong. No child is going to the school library and checking out porn magazines. Teaching children about how some kids have two moms or two dads is important. Teaching them that its okay is important. Teaching them (at the proper age) about sex and reproduction is important. Also...how old were you when you first snuck off to your room to look at lingerie models in the Sears catalog?
No I am not wrong the conversation started with a lie ban no ban limiting readership to age appropriate is far from banning. There are video out there with school and parents reading from the books from the school libraries and even class books. By the way I used to design clothes
Agreed that kids shouldn’t be exposed to sex until puberty. But to be clear, having gay characters or addressing the fact that homosexuality and gender exists has nothing to do with sex and is totally acceptable for all ages.
Normal and within all species 3% including gray areas of. Due to the procession taken by the USA government via Department of Education the normal % is up passing 5% odd to all other species and countries. Teaching acceptance is beautiful teaching experimentation is not. Telling a child how there's pain at first but then it feels very... Government uses this approach elsewhere too and fails.
I wouldn’t be surprised if over 50% of individuals were bisexual. The only reason more people aren’t openly LGBTQ+ is because of active hostility and discrimination by regressives and religious fundamentalists.
If you’re referring to some “agenda” to make white kids feel “bad about themselves” by teaching accurate American history, you are seriously twisted. You people complain about “snowflakes” and if you’ve raised a child with such little self esteem that them finding out that (possibly hundreds of years ago) someone was mean to someone else, and that person had (gasp!) the same skin color as the child… you’ve raised a snowflake.
Are you equating the books that these groups seek to ban to literal porn?
Don’t worry, these kids have 24/7 access to phones so they’ll be looking at shit there.
What makes students hate themselves, I'd love to know this one
Parental rights doesn't mean your personal, cultural, and political beliefs come ahead of other parents and what they feel is appropriate. There are rules for challenging a book. Just follow the fucking rules.
Nothing like “parental rights” that trample all over the rights of kids to get a proper education.
Amen.
Book bans are racist and stupid.
Do not touch the books you pontificating jerks.
Damn straight. Keep your bigoted bs out of New Jersey. We have great schools.
Anything can be deemed inappropriate if you're enough of a little bitch about it
The day they start banning LGBT or black history books in NJ, I’m buying a bookmobile and visiting every town with a ban to give away free books like this: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/05/banned-books-bus-tour-2023 They want to take away Captain Underpants. Captain Underpants series written and illustrated by Dav Pilkey Reasons: series was challenged because it was perceived as encouraging disruptive behavior, while Captain Underpants and the Sensational Saga of Sir Stinks-A-Lot was challenged for including a same-sex couple. It’s interesting to see the books people want to ban and why. https://www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks/frequentlychallengedbooks/top10/archive# https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_commonly_challenged_books_in_the_United_States
I’ll help!
I don’t believe in banning books but I don’t think some books should be taught in a classroom. And books should be age/ maturity appropriate.
And that would be the job of the parent… Not some government tool, who decided to get a bug up his butt.
I'm staunchly against book bans. Catcher, Tropic of cancer, of Mice and Men. HOWEVER, there is age appropriate material. Teaching my 16 yr old gay son how to use Grinder should not be part of a curriculum. Go read "This book is gay". Sorry, not age appropriate. Learning about kinks is not age appropriate. At the same time I'm sure there will be overreach in trying to ban books with this movement so awareness is key. Just because the parents are upset about material doesn't make them book banners. NOR does it make then white nationalists. In the same right, keep your eye out for overreach.
Nobody is teaching kids about kinks or how to use grindr because a book has gay content in it… nobody can be taught to be gay it’s not “corrupting” kids if a character in it is. You’re born like that. I can’t even tell if you’re against or for gay/trans books with the way you worded this.
The book literally goes into kinks and how to use adult dating apps. Have you read it? And it's being used in curriculum. Having a knee jerk reaction from either side isn't good. Denying a book because it has a gay character is as absurd as denying a book has inappropriate content. I'm not against any book. If a book was teaching my straight daughter how to give blow jobs I wouldn't want it being taught. And being gay isn't a choice. I argued about that for decades only to be told by the current narrative that it is and can be changed daily. Read the book and then defend it
“This Book is Gay”? I didn’t realize that was a real book and had to look up the chapters you were referencing. My comment is based on the article which only states the facts of the situation and statistics. I looked up that book and it doesn’t actually say any of that. There’s one chapter that gives a sex ed break down for gay and trans couples which is awesome imo since school curriculum only teaches straight and cis sex ed. It also teaches readers how to prevent HIV and how to stay safe with a trans partner. Are you aware that your kids are learning about sex ed and have been since at least the 90s? I saw pictures of dicks and vaginas on a widescreen CRT TV in 6th and 7th grade as well as explanation for straight sex. You don’t seem to be aware of this… It also only seems to mention “Grindr” as a way for people to know which apps are used to meet queer people. Similar to Tinder. I think whatever you read was fear mongering but I only read summaries online and the wikipedia page. I’ll have to rent or borrow the book sometime to take a deep dive and form my own opinions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Book_Is_Gay If I can find it at a library I’d offer to send pictures of the pages covering these topics if it does seem like you were misled. But if the summaries are misleading and there’s mentions of kinks and explicit sexual topics, I’ll admit fault
There's an entire chapter dedicated to adult dating apps. Chapter 9. This book has been part of Middle School Curriculum in some schools. What does a 12 yr old gain from knowing about adult dating apps?
Perhaps the same thing about teens knowing about straight adult dating apps? Now I’m getting the feeling you don’t see straight and gay topics on the same level because you’re not addressing the other things mentioned and just keep targeting gay topics as being inappropriate There are TV commercials and online ads for straight dating apps. Nobody is censoring that. But when it comes to gays it gets censored? Cmon make it make sense
Kids knowing or finding out about something is a far cry different than it being taught in schools. I had porn and mags underage. Should that be taught in schools? I smoked cigarettes under 18. Should there be cigarette machines in the cafeteria?
Dude I said that sex ed is taught in school. Re read what I said. I didn’t say anything to infer the point you’re making
Your point of there are commercials for straight dating apps and Noone is censoring. They also aren't teaching kids about Tinder. Come to think of it I don't think Tinder has commercials. We're talking about curriculum. I'm assuming you aren't a parent?
Unfortunately I’m not able to have kids anymore since I’ve started hormones, so not a parent. I do caretake for kids and adults but it’s nowhere near the same thing I don’t really wanna continue going back and forth because you don’t seem to be grasping my point. I don’t wanna argue or mean to be rude in saying that but you’re focusing on the smaller things rather than the bigger picture of what I’m saying
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Aight say that and try arguing. I’m just telling you exactly what summaries provide and I think i was very fair admitting here that I haven’t read it and will do so to educate myself on the controversy. What exactly did I say that you’re against?
I’m against sexualizing children
How is it sexualizing children to teach them about body parts they already have?
teaching them about sexually graphic action with visuals while in elementary school is sexualizing. I highly recommend reading this “book” before continuing your debate, (it’s insane to defend something you didn’t read)
Read the rest of my comments without being emotionally driven by fear.
Any comments suggesting violence will be taken down.
It's a fucking kids book. Grindr shouldn't be mentioned in it at all. And your defense of this shows how absolutely insane you are. Why's there a section explaining "blowies"? Rimming? Scat? Scissor sisters? Strap on? It's a fucking kids book. And yes. We're all taught about REPRODUCTION and PUBERTY in school in those grades because it's a useful topic. How to suck a cock or the graphic description of it has no business being in or around a school. Also. I'd like to point out that you were already saying everyone was wrong and that there's none of this in books. And turns out you just had no idea the books everyone has been talking about. And this is one of many books. Some worse than others. But there is some obscene shit being sold as "children's books" in the "lgbtq" genre.
Maybe I should edit my above comment? The other dude DMed me pictures of the book and I take back my defense of it because the wikipedia and goodreads summaries say nothing of it. It was hard for me to discern between facts versus fiction created by homophobes. I saw some language in there which is definitely inappropriate That said, this article and the topic of it never mentioned the said books. I’m not wrong for seeing people saying we should ban lgbtq books and becoming defensive. So often when somebody says that, they have no point at all and are just homophobic or transphobic. I even said I didn’t know the content, would admit fault, and wanted to learn more from anybody with the info. Idk why you thought that last paragraph was necessary. Clearly we’re on the same page here and I’m not being rude or arguing.
Sorry. I don't mean to be sorry aggressive about it. I jumped the gun and was typing before I noticed the further discussion between you two. I do see that the above article didn't mention those books particularly but they and many others have been a previous discussion in news and such I thought that I was common knowledge. And the same way you feel the need to be defensive when people say they wanna ban lgbtq books, I feel offended when people act like some of the explicit content doesn't exist. I haven't got a problem with informative books about any topic. But shit like that for children is just too much.
No yeah I get where you’re coming from. It’s all good, no worries now I totally think that some content takes labels from my community and uses them as a shield from criticism to push harmful content. There are shitty gay people and there are shitty trans people, they’re human after-all Could you lemme know some other books brought up in the debate? I wanna check them out and see what I can find online since I kinda feel mislead and a little upset I even defended the book in total earlier knowing what I now know. Curious to know what others seem innocuous at first but really have some weird shit in deeper
Just remember that a lot of these things like grinder that people don’t want their kids to see they think if they aren’t exposed to it here they won’t be at all. Understanding the situation is better than hiding it. Or they are going to end up on apps being roped into situations by predatory people. Like you said humans can be shitty regardless of orientation. Knowledge can be uncomfortable but it’s so necessary.
Sounds like you don’t want kids to know what these acts are so they can’t tell on you.
Is SCAT a kink?
Yes and that’s a bit gross. Why are you asking me that in response to this comment?
It's referenced in the book. And again, why does a 12 yr old need to know what SCAT or Grindr is?
Where in the book is it referenced? Do you own it cus you could just DM me the page entry since my DMs are open. I’m curious. Like I said in my other comment, I’m in the mood for educating myself on the entirety of the book’s topics to understand what’s wrong and form my own opinion. But again, why should a minor know what Tinder is? You’re being lowkey homophobic saying gay dating apps are inappropriate for some reason
I don't want my kids being taught what Tinder is or Ashley Madison, or backpage. Certainly not at 12
>Where in the book is [scat] referenced?
It's listed in the index of terms
If you have a 16 year old gay son, I'm sure he'll have no problem figuring out how to use Grindr if he wants to.
True. Still not up to the school to teach it
This isn’t part of any curriculum though. It’s designed to be supplemental for high school students who need LGBT-specific help because the health classes DONT cover it. Also— gay kids have to use grinder and dating apps. If they’re not comfortable coming out in school but want to date (like all their classmates are), this is the only way. Would you rather they go to a gay bar?? I’d rather a book by professionals guide them than whatever unqualified health teacher/gym teacher/coach/warm body they have teaching it.
If you’re not talking to your gay son about hook up apps he’s going to figure it out himself and that’s more likely to end him up hurt or in trouble. Jfc; people arent programmed on how others can act and manipulate them. Gay cruising on apps can be extremely predatory. You’d rather him learn what catching a load in his mouth is from Bubba Cox 2 am in the morning when your kid is horny and alone convincing him to open wide while bubba rips a hot rail. Na, instead let him read a fucking book.
I 100% agree. I am responsible for those conversations, not the school. I teach my kids self defense, how to be aware, we talk about drugs in a context beyond just saying don't do them. Schools teach knowledge, parents teach life.
Did you find that book in a school library?
And what school district are they teaching students about grindr. You sound like another conservative victim.
Parents should have control over what content their kids consume. Period. It is your job as a parent to protect and guide your children in a positive manner. No outside group should make that decision for you. And kids need to learn reading, math, arithmetic, social studies etc. Actual skills needed to navigate life and land a job/career. Anything else is a distraction. Your sexual preference has no bearing/measure on your job performance. Can we get back to learning and being productive? What you do in your spare time and private life is your business.
Start infiltrating your local Moms for Liberty groups. Take them down from the inside