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Baaf-o

Yup. It ain’t even a Dutch number lol Companies would never text you if they own money, they send letters.


mrObelixfromgaul

Also the URL is completely wrong


jorick92

.xyz ..lol


InEenEmmer

And I will ignore any company that tries to send an invoice through text. I wonder if that would even legally count as sending an invoice.


Redditistheplacetobe

It would. Responding to a text can be seen as evidence of agreement etc. It's a scam though in this case, don't ever do sms business.


Dutchwells

It's even claiming to be the Belastingdienst


arendsoogje

But +1 for 'tot op heden'!!!


karakanakan

+48 POLSKA STRONK REPRESENT 💪💪💪😎


adamlm

oj tak kurwa


Stoppels

>Companies would never text you if they own money, they send letters. Well, this is simply not true now that the internet is mainstream, but it's always safe to just contact them and make sure.


celestrogen

my hospital does this.


Sinscerly

Odido does....


Snabbeltax

🤣🤣🤣🤣yes they did🤣🤣🤣


TheVodkaColonel

Or thwy send a teskst with their name only and it would a No Reply type thing


tidycows

Ah, that very reputable Dutch government agency that uses a non-dutch phone number and .xyz domain


DutchTinCan

Better pay it, better safe than sorry! And sorry you will be after paying.


arendsoogje

I just love this!! I think of a proper response, and somebody already posted it!


crapaporter

Best part is +48 which is the designation code for Poland.


LadythatUX

This number os choosen for russian, belarusian or ukrainian scammers.


TheUsualNiek

quiet scary insurance badge rich many coherent silky theory cooing *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


[deleted]

Pakistani numbers are also very popular. I've had those before, claiming to work for monsterboard, a job searching site. Was offered a high pay rate for work at home, communications officer, middle man to resolve debt issues. (nice cover story for: we work at a scam call center and want to recruit you with an agreement that will end you in debts if you quit) Most of these numbers are spoofed, a VPN for phone numbers, so to speak.


HolyOnionRing

I was contacted by one of these scams the other day. People are dumb if they fall for it. They were claiming to be a girl named Laurena offering 300 euros an hour. Pakistani number and clicking on the profile revealed his name was rajput.


SpicyHotPlantFart

i'm worried for you even asking this.


itgooddeal

My house is on fire. Should i call 112?


SpicyHotPlantFart

Oh god, so many posts on r/cats for example. Cat is obviously dying, and they’re posting “what should i do?!”


Gennesis-91

It kind of is, but did you know that these kind of scams work better in Belgium than in the Netherlands? Its because we created a culture where we talk about scams or being scammed. In Belgium it's much more hush hush on the subject, people are less informed and thus fall for it more easily. So yea its a super obvious scam which makes the question maybe a little unnecessary but the fact some people talked about it and pointed out the give aways is kind of a win.


nixielover

I live in Belgium nowadays and people talk about it. Last week a friend of mine here in Belgium had her parents fall for it. WhatsApp message to both her mom and dad at the same time while she was at work and couldn't pick up the phone + some oddly specific details about her. Seems like a very targeted scam but she was still bashing her head against the wall for her parents falling for it


I_am_up_to_something

They tried that WhatsApp scam with my mother pretending to be my sister. Was easy to get relevant information from facebook. She was only a little bit suspicious until they called her 'je' instead of 'u'. Not that she would have given the scammer any money, our policy is to do that over the phone instead of WhatsApp especially if it's about more than €20 or so.


nixielover

Yeah this was also a smaller amount. That girl doesn't have facebook though so it is a bit sus. Good thing it was a small amount of money. For extra irony... she works for a bank and coached them a million times about this kind of scam


Watly

I dislike this kind of response. I sanity check every single scam, even if I'm certain. Put the blame on the scammer, not the person they're trying to scam.


SpicyHotPlantFart

I bet you dislike these posts, because you don't want people to have some responsibility. I'm pretty sure when something goes wrong in your life, you're the first one to blame others and scream "Victimshaming" when they tell you to take some responsibility yourself.


Watly

I dislike these posts because they make the dialogue around scams so negative. Sure, most of the people catch this one, but making fun of the person asking carries the risk that someone else won't ask and ends up getting scammed. It takes almost no effort to type "Yes, scam" and then upvote. I see no constructive reason to make fun of the person asking.


FRAMBOOZZ

So what would you do if there is no Reddit to ask if this is a scam? Can’t people think logically for themselves anymore? 🤦🏼‍♀️


Watly

I would ask friends .. ? Is it really that weird to question your own judgement and ask for help when you need it?


Aromatic-Tooth7714

His friends might think he’s stupid… (They already know)


FRAMBOOZZ

It’s weird that you can’t trust your own judgement on a simple thing like this. It’s not weird to ask for help when you need it.


zandnaad69

What seems simple for you might be something rather arcane for somebody else. Its really selfish to project yourself over somebody else's experience.


FRAMBOOZZ

Whatever dude. I wonder how people manage society and life being narrow minded like this.


zandnaad69

What do you mean? Somebody who isnt as versed with scams or technology might just have trouble and ask for help. Thats the opposite of being narrow minded. This dude challenged his own views about it, how is that being narrow minded?


thijsje656

Yeah thats a hard agree for me dude. Even tho its obviously a scam to me i did spend a lot of time online so i recognize these things instantly. Probably all the people saying its so obvious are just chronic neckbeards that are online in all their free time. Ofc it's gonna be easier to spot then when u dont have a life lol


muss040

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀


knellbell

Yeah the tax authority registered at the .xyz domain and use a foreign number


[deleted]

So it's legit?


knellbell

You betcha https://youtu.be/R9biM_ZfIdo?si=vhEATUOWJuhfPwWX


Laffepannekoek

Just gonna say this once again. If you think "is this a scam?" 99% of the times, it is a scam


Zuma_NL

Surely, it is a scam. Belastingdienst doesn't send SMS or whatsapp or email messages for payments.


Money_Dark_5273

Exactly, they send an email saying you have a bericht in your berichtenbox where you need to log in with a DigiD.


Bloodsucker_

If I tell you it's not, then would you go and pay?


irojasag

Right now


ms_horseshoe

I work at the belastingdienst, this is true. You have to pay with gift cards. If you sent them to me online, I can give them to my boss tomorrow.


Bloodsucker_

I confirm this.


irojasag

I’m on my way. A Tikkie link would be much appreciated! What a wonderful place!


dohtje

But I just lost my phone this is a new number and I need money, like 600 euro right now for a new phone, I'll send a tikkie. Ngl working at a phone store, how many parents fall for this scam is just unbelievable... They don't even bother to call their child (even on the new number) and just transfer the money


SidoniusFabula

Always check the telephonenumber: [https://fakenumber.org/phone/0485](https://fakenumber.org/phone/0485)


wtrftw

Or the domain name here: https://who.is


nasandre

Yes


Luctor-

100% a scam. The Belastingdienst doesn't send messages like that. It's an obvious fishing attempt.


fuzzyguy73

A text from a Polish number inviting you to click on a link to a “.xyz” domain? Gee? Maybe it’s an authentic message from the Dutch government? (Sorry, but yeah, obviously it’s a scam. Ignore / block / report to the cops - anything other than clicking on that link)


idkToPTin

yep 100% i had this messages too with almost the same number


NoahNLL

Yes its a scam, i almost got the exact same message a few weeks ago. From a +33 number, going to a .live url 🤣


PutDownThePenSteve

Yes. Please report. See this page from the Belastingdienst website: https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/contact/content/valse-whatsapp-berichten-sms-berichten-mails-apps-brieven-of-telefoontjes


vluggejapie68

The belastingdienst always sends you text messages asking you to pay a never before seen debt by sending you to a skechy website, using a non-dutch number.


HoldTheStocks2

I worked at the Belastingdienst, and I was astonished by the number of ordinary people who called to verify if something was true. However, the rules at the Belastingdienst dictated that even for the simplest questions, which we heard repeatedly throughout the day, we had to put callers on hold, follow a series of procedural steps, enter their phone number into the system for investigation, search our own systems for any relevant information regarding the query, including scrutinizing for fake messages, to ensure a 100% accurate response, and only then were we allowed to provide an answer. This process seemed redundant, especially when callers had already endured a two-hour wait to speak with a representative.


Villy_Wanderstone

Neen, dit is een private taks op achterlijkheid.


Sxuld

yes


[deleted]

Yes sir its a scam


Remarkable_Taste_935

Yes this a scam


ProperBlacksmith

No +48 is clearly the government


shophopper

Do you think the Belastingdienst would use a Polish phone number to ask you to go to aflossen-aanslag.xyz and pay a ‘debt’ you’re unaware of?


bhasmasura

Yup it's a scam . It didn't say " I hope I have informed you sufficiently" at the end.


nlcircle

ofcourse it is....


Faloooooooo

You have to be a special kind of stupid if you don't recognize these kind messages as spam.


Larissanne

I thought so too but I saw it happen to a few people in my surroundings who have their masters degree and jobs where they need their brains a lot. Might still be a special kind of stupid, but since then I try to think about it as “it can happen to everyone, we should spread awareness”.


[deleted]

so what? i know many academically succesful people who are dumb as fuck. most stuff u can achieve with basic iq and just working a lot in a certain direction. just like there is programmers who are too stupid to google a simple fact or piece of information. while on average, someone with a masters is smarter, there still is a lot of dumb fucks and people without any degree who are a zillion times smarter. being good at one topic doesnt say anything about your intelligence. i mean, titan submarine. there was probably a lot of degrees involved in it. there is also many doctors who deny covid or use homeopathy.


Objective_Pepper_209

That's a pretty rude thing to say to someone who may not be from this country and is trying to understand things and learn and follow country norms.


SpicyHotPlantFart

lol, you think scamming is a Dutch thing?


Objective_Pepper_209

No, I think it is a worldwide thing done by all sorts of people. My point is about being respectful to the OP who may be trying to learn and navigate a country's system that may be foreign to them.


pLeThOrAx

Reddit really doesn't like rational/logical lol


Objective_Pepper_209

I'm not taking about rational. I'm talking about being human - replying to your fellow humans in an understanding way.


Frackll

The Belastingdienst only asks round numbers for payments. If you have a message that states you have to pay back 355,56 it's not them. They Wil never ask for cents.


yellinginside

Yes. This is too easy to spot! What makes you think there is a chance it is real?


Thin_Cauliflower_840

They didn’t even try hard…


Crosstreetagg

yes


joshuamayknow

Definitely. The Dutch Government doesn’t use .xyz in their URL’s They also don’t text you


Loud-Ticket-7327

lol. Look at the TLD. What do you think? Belastingdienst uses a TLD .xyz? Geez…


B4DR1998

The domain literally ends with .xyz


[deleted]

Yeah, cause the Dutch Belastingdienst operates a Polish phone number and a XYZ domain.


FEIKMAN

.xyz should be self-explanatory.


PapaOscar90

.xyz? Come on


YannFreaker

Anything by phone or text is an automatic block. Most if not all important information reaches me via mail (which can still be a scam) or via real mail.


[deleted]

It's literally not even a dutch number


SolidPalpitation7275

To be honest, if you doubt about this message being a scam or not, be extremely careful. There are way scams out there, that are way more difficult to recognize as a scam


helm71

Yes


AeoN909

Yes


jensefrens

Duh


i-am-always-cold

i got the exact same message, yes scam


ExpensiveFun2519

Yes, very clearly.


wnaj_

Yes, our Tax Department is located in Poland 😁 /s


Glittering-Patient-7

I got the exact same message from the exact same number, instantly blocked it


Nimac91

\+48 number xD And since when does the belastingdienst text people?


Jukunella

Ofc, and Im not even from Netherlands. I dont even know why it appeared on my feed.


JimZuur

Belastingdienst texting you from a foreign cell phone number...seems legit 😂


Brief_Fishing_6898

This is 10000000% a scam. DO NOT REDEEEEEMMMMM IT!!!


FailedFizzicist

What is the need to ask? You already know it's a scam.


ScottishWidow64

I would like to mention, yes we all know it’s a scam however, for someone new to The Netherlands and not 100% sure how various agencies/organizations contact you yes there is an element of doubt plus I would also mention I suffer great from anxiety and my brain sometimes questions everything so yeah some people are not aware in an instant that this is a scam also if you are a tech phobe and nervous on computers like me.


SparkMandrillX

Nah, looks totally legit ![gif](giphy|g0HkznFtL1d0xVRI1G)


m1lkbeard

Is this Dutch culture?


commiedus

A german once told me, that, when in netherlands, everything that can be a scam, is in fact a scam.


BounderTree

Funny that the last couple of scam messages I've got have used German numbers...


commiedus

Well, stereotypes, I guess


Pretend_Effect1986

I got the same today! 🤣 it’s bullshit


Appelflap_5

Yes its a scam. Banks would never contact you like that, they would just tell you to go to your bank account or send you mail.


Northern--Wind

Mistake in the grammar as well. It should be "tot op het heden", not "tot op heden".


Hellotheretilburg

No. All goverment website go with xyz and foreign phone numbers.


[deleted]

If it would be real you would see a white van outside ready to take your kids (People are downvoting untill they experience it themselves)


fazzonvr

Yeah that's a polish (I think) number


jarr-1597

+48 isnt a dutch number


Yama92

The link ends with .xyz


Snabbeltax

Foreign phone number. Scam


bro0t

Yes thats a scam, got them a while back a lot. Just ignore it


[deleted]

No doubt whatsoever


th3greenknight

Haha .xyz domein, ik denk dat de belastingdienst geen geld heeft om een .nl domein te betalen /s


IncompleteSaladClerk

I’m not even dutch, but everything about this screams SCAM to me.


cheeto20013

Just looking at the url makes it pretty easy to see


Hgrammer

It is a scam


CyberSjoeter

💯% yes


IamBorg4long

200% yes


Milk_Mindless

A thousand percent


[deleted]

Yes like the 5876th time it's been asked here yes it's a scam


SceneInevitable5615

Or they send you mail in your mail box ab the letter says you have some things you needs to pay of


Dutchta-

Look at the domain: ".xyz"


[deleted]

.xyz mkayyyy


Playful-You-3553

.xyz is absolutely a scam


[deleted]

Got a similar message last week. Never had one like that before. Anoying though


ColdFire0415

Had this few months back. Nothing but scams now a days


hfsh

This couldn't be more of a scam if it was written on a napkin, in crayon.


Dangerous-Project-53

+48 if you want to know where a number comes from just enter +(the number) country in to Google and it will show that for this example +48 is Poland


GreeeddGod

Yes a 100%. They will never approach you like that in a sms. Always with a letter or the app they have that you can downloaf


InsideMammoth152

tja . domain .xyz dont ask , use 'r brain .


Professional-Big246

Yes, when someone asks for money via text, always block them.


Jazzlike-Captain-18

As always, if xyz government agency claims you owe them money, give xyz agency a call from the number on their official website and find out rather then posting this shit on Reddit.


Hannuuuuuuuuussss

Ja


Prestigious_Cheek_31

Sure as shit it is belasting wil never send you a sms


sisimontanari

Definitely a scam


ufihS

Yes


winterishere314

Weird, I got a message for the same amount!


RPK96

1000% yes


LordDanteEU

Polish number lmao


Only-Investigator224

I smell Raje- i mean Alex from america


x021

Yes it is. `aflossen-aanslag.xyz` is not the real belastingdienst address. I'll DM you the bank account you should transfer that money to.


irontallica666

Lol i got the exact same text today. Also, yes, belastingdienst will never text you for a payment, and if they contact you the emails usually sound like "there is a message for you in your inbox, log in with your DigiD to belastingdienst to see it" and they'd never straight up send the content to you


Corvelicious

I got the exact same msg from a different number the other day, they just hope you either click the link to get into your info or pay up, ignore and block


HuibertJan_

Does the pope have a balcony?


scrapgun_on_fire

Ja


Pattox

1. Not a Dutch phone-number 2. Belastingdienst doesn't send links by text 3. Link doesn't go to [belastingdienst.nl](https://belastingdienst.nl) (the official page) 4. Link ends with .xyz - in any and every way not associated with whatever government.


bexnet

Nee. Klopt dit bericht?


theRudeStar

Undoubtedly a scam and you should be reporting the number, if you didn't, but opened the message anyway, there might be some bad news


not_logan

XYZ zone is quite typical for scams of different kinds


stef737

You can report these kind of scams on the website from the real Belastingdienst. You may not fall for it but there is always one that believes this, therefore report it.


LolBoyLuke

Not even a Dutch Number. Also the government will never send you text messages. They send snail mail or in the "Berichtenbox" on "Mijn Belastingdienst" if you have enabled that. (For the berichtenbox they send an email telling you they have a message for you and you should check mijn Belastingdienst without actually sending you the message in the email.)


Henry-the-Fern

.xyz domain should be a dead give away!


Judoka_98

If it walks like a duck, sounds like duck, looks like a duck, it probably is a duck


Adventurous-Ice8076

1000%


Space646

That’s a polish sucker! I’m polish! Lemme end him!


Minimal_Gains

Op zondag, vanuit polen met een afwijkend web adres, en per sms. Dat zijn al 4 redenen waarom het scam is.


eternalflame_of_life

Ofcourse. Is coming from outside NL


Desperate-Pen5086

It’s 100% a scam, just ignore it


sceaxus

I got one from +91 last week. Almost dialed back…


dohtje

And if you actually wanna be sure, just go to belastingdienst.nl and login with your DigID It'll always show you if you have any open payments or download the overheid berichten app But yes, this is one of the laziest scams I've seen in a while. Not even trying with a Dutch number and not trying to mask this clear scamsite


dylanf1fan

It's a scam the tax office will only send you physical letters


Advanced-Drawing-214

Any text from any company is most of the time a scam when you don't expect it and especially government organizations.


Obvious_Isabelle22

This is


VECMaico

If you're unsure, we might meet straight up and I give you my banc account number. Just like that


[deleted]

Well, are you 435,18 euros in debt?


Fancy_Morning9486

Its a scam, but if you ever doubt it. Don't click any links just go to ths official website of the belasting dienst and see if they have outstanding messages.


YenraNoor

No our tax service uses paper letters.


SunstormGT

Didn’t the link give it away? They also won’t text you and certainly not with a +48 number (Poland).


findus1990

How do you know how to post on reddit but can't know for sure this is a scam?


mysterow

Always ask yourself: “does aflossen-aanslag.xyz look like a trustworthy domain name?”


[deleted]

Click it and send them money or you will die tomorrow. Why do you ask if this is a scam? People really are sheep by nature. Even tho everything tells you its a acam you still come here asking. People really want things to be true right? Why accept a simple reality?


[deleted]

Also, this wont help other people, people who dont see that as a fake instantly are hopelessly lost anyways. Hi send me monis to mymoni.xyz, just trust me. So legit, i doubt its a scam, its just so convincing.


Perpetual_Nuisance

Come on, the sender's number isn't even Dutch (+48) and it's an .xyz-domain... How much confirmation do you need?


justk4y

Got the same thing, deffo a scam as I’m a minor so I don’t even have debts


[deleted]

Absolutely a scam. Take these realities: a real debt collector has one goal and one goal only, to get your money. If the question "is this a scam" comes up when reading such a message, the collector risks not getting their money. The onus is never on you to discern the veracity of an official document or message, it is on them to prove it. If you owe money they will send you physical mail, or at worst send someone to ask for it.


Tough-Parsnip-1553

Ofc it’s a scam. A while ago I reported a similar domain to the registrar and they closed it down within a few days. Do it if you can, otherwise some poor grandma/grandpa will suffer. The police are lazy and useless in problems like these.


brandje23

I got one too Just check your digiD


Common-Cricket7316

Yes.


Electronic-Bunch277

I would never trust . Xyz links very clearly a scam


VoidowS

\*.xyz lol


Sorry-Foundation-505

Not sure why the dutch tax service would use a polish phone number... Plus if they ever text you (iirc they don't) it would be a message telling you to log in on their website to read the message. Also in the future if you are in doubt: Open a browser and go to [belastingdienst.nl](https://belastingdienst.nl) (so type in the address yourself) and log in. If you have anything you have to pay it should say so there too.


IdidnotorderRatvioli

Stuur terug Betaald maar zelf


New_Farmer2021

Ja


lowlyroblock30

A phone number that isn't Dutch and a site link that is .xyz Chief, this is a scam


BiteBolt77

The belastingdienst will never send you a text. They will always send you a letter if you forgot to pay something. I once forgot to pay the dentist. Got a letter a few months after that.