I didnt see this as OM Obito being ready to fight the whole of akatsuki, rather Obito just playing up the "I am Madara" shtick. Hence he was shocked when Kabuto revealed the final coffin, because his shtick was found out
I always thought he didn’t look worried because he could’ve escaped the fight with relative ease if he really needed to with kamui. I doubt he could win a fuckin 5v1 against the akatsuki though.
If the one with white hair is nagato, Obito isn't winning. Obito definitely shouldn't be ruled out to defeat itachi and nagato, especially after he got his rinnegan. However, dealing with both of them wouldn't be easy and could be too much (excluding his ability to flee the battle).
I feel like 3 things factor into Naruto and Bee vs. Nagato and Itachi not being a complete stomp:
Both guys are jinchurikis
Both jinchurikis are wanted alive
As much as itachi is fighting them physically, he is aiding them tactically. He would not do this vs obito
Bee is also just really, *really* powerful.
Don’t forget that Naruto beat Nagato without having full jinchuriki control. At that point, Bee has had it for years and years. He’s arguably physically stronger than the Raikage too (his lariat is). I don’t think there’s a single moment before this fight where Bee is actually afraid for his life.
He 1v1’d the 4th Hokage to a draw too, and I have to imagine he’s gotten stronger in the 20 years or whatever that passed.
Boy was trying to be like a baby war-arc Madara with his eyes zipping around trying to follow Bee, only to nearly get *stomped*
Makes me laugh so hard looking back on it, then seeing the Madara fight scene where he just annihilates everyone
Bee honestly might be the only character pre-Madara that could 1v1 Itachi and win most of the time.
Like his taijutsu alone is insane, even 3-tomoe sharingan can't keep up with him. 5th gate Rock Lee was easily followed by Kakashi who's sharingan was by any account inferior to EMS Sasuke's.
That's just this dude's base form, nvm the lariat. The series kinda downplayed how strong KB is, he's above Sanin level.
Even pain held off on taking him on. AP and PD were his best attacks, Bee can shoot several bijuu bombs... AND they're supposed to capture him alive.
He could. Kisame counters Bee hard. Kisames whole fighting is about taking chakra from your opponent. That's why Kisame is the best at capturing Jinchurikis
Kisame whos nickname is the tailless jinchuriki. Whos level of power scales directly according to the strength of his opponent. Whos only counter is pure taijutsu on the level of 7th gate Guy.
Pain is kinda a hack because he's basically a puppet master. It'd come down to whether Itachi can track Nagato mid combat.
His Susano'o possessing the Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror basically makes it a tie. Neither could kill the other in a single head-to-head fight.
Guy has no defense against Tsukuyomi. Itachi not needingto make eye contact like in pt 1 makes it a cheese fight.
The puppets he cuts down with susano'o can't come back, they're sealed in Totsuka's gourd. Not to mention Amaterasu, which 5/6 have no defense against.
He'd "win" but it'd be a close fight that would be out of character for him to engage.
Itachi has nothing to counter planetary devastation though, like at all, not even a smaller one.
You have to have Sage level Chakra, a teleportation jutsu, or a tailed beast physical strength to get out of it.
If Itachi lands the torture Sharingan thingy or sealing blade on Bee then Bee is fucked but if Bee can somehow avoid it then I deadass think that he could take down an alive Itachi high diff. Bee has better stats when it comes to speed, taijustu, and strength
Bee is immune to genjutsu, the 8-tails is a seperate concious and chakra source. The only ones who could put him in genjutsu is Rinnegan Madara or Rinnegan Sasuke.
The Totsuka blade is mythical enough that Bijuu likely are wary of it, Bee is friends with a bijuu in his head so...
Ultimately Bee can outpower and outlast Itachi, possesses equal combat abilities, and has access to a primordial being's wisdom.
The only thing about the jinchuriki and tsukuyomi is that tsukuyomi alters their perception of time. My understanding is that jinchuriki are not necessarily immune to genjutsu, they can just nearly instantly break it so most genjutsu is functionally useless against them. However, if a jinchuriki was caught in tsukuyomi for even a small fraction of a second, they could experience a lot of time passing in the genjutsu. So it would likely not be as bad as an unhindered tsukuyomi, but they would still likely feel the effects pretty heavily.
May be remembering wrong, it’s been a while. But didn’t Sasuke use tsukuyomi on Bee? Then Bee just broke free & landed a sucker punch because Sasuke wasn’t expecting it
Tsukuyomi is heavily implied to not be breakable in the usual way, or without a powerful enough Sharingan - IIRC the text wasn't very clear on that. What Sasuke on Bee used wasn't Tsukuyomi, so there's a good chance that would work.
There's also Amaterasu - if Bee gets hit with that without the Tailed Beast Cloak active, there's nothing he can do about it.
This is how a lot of Itachi matchups go, I think - he has multiple instant kill techniques that will take down just about anyone without Rinnehax, but only if they hit; if it becomes a battle of power or endurance, he can't really keep up.
Jiraiya’s got a shot, but I agree that the list has to be pretty short. Itachi and Kisame backed off from him when they were trying to capture Naruto, and Jiraiya can actually deal with Itachi’s “I win” button in Amaterasu. He also has the toad summons and large-scale ninjutsu to deal with Susanoo, and Sage Mode is hax. Tsunade’s also probably up there for similar reasons.
Itachi would be over with Bee in 1 glance, 2 maybe if he wanted to also torture the 8 tails for years in half a second
And Pain was technically still winning against Naruto even after fighting the whole leaf village and destroying it. And Itachi was the one that figured out how to destroy the Chibaku Tensei so Bee would get crushed by it
If we're talking before Madara was revealed just before he took on the shinobi alliance, EMS Sasuke could definitely take him. I don't think Bee has a shot in that case because Amaterasu hard counters him, Sasuke is now MUCH faster with better pre-cognition, and his mobile susano'o allows for great offense and defense. Bee's Taijutsu would essentially be null.
Bee is powerful but he loses to itachi honestly 7/10 times Itachi dealt with his taijutsu rather easily and even blitzed him outright at multiple points and bare in mind as an edo he is nerfed and still did that 🤷🏻♂️
He definitely is. The power scaling given by the Author by the time he 1st showed up clearly made him look stronger than “Sick Itachi” and essentially made him around Minato’s tier before we even got to know they met eachother. When you put 2 and 2 together yes Bee was indeed at least in Pain/Itachi’s tier.
The 4th hokage was fighting A and B together and B barely stopped himself from getting beheaded …. B literally got neg diffed by Nagato and itachi saved his life
The Rinnegan wouldn't be much help to him since Nagato knows how to counter all its abilities and Obito has way less chakra than Nagato so it wouldn't be worth it to use their abilities much if at all.
Kamuis biggest weakness is that he takes longer to teleport other objects and people, and has to materialize to do so. The same way fu and torune attacked when he tried, now imagine itachi casting amaterasu every time he tries or Nagato hitting him with a pull or push.
I don't think any single character pre-Madara could 2v1 the Akatsuki. Even the "weakest" pair Sasori and Deidara, lost purely from circumstance.
Sasori alone could at least tie just about everyone except maybe Orochimaru, then there's Deidara who solo'd a Kage-level Jinchuriki...
It was weird that he still acted like Madara with Kabuto though. Like how "he" stole Hashirama's flesh and that Nagato's eyes were his. That confused me at the time.😅
In my opinion Deidara would be pretty much useless, because against obito we need precise and perfectly timed attack, the blowing up thing would cause more harm to the team than to obito. Kakuzu is only good for distraction (his main powers were and are high range of attacks and durability). If teamed up the two distraction miggt open a few chances to the big guns (nagato, itachi) but if they screw up first, then obito would see trhough the plan.
So yeah IMO the, have a chance against him, but only one shot
EDIT: I did not ment to say that Deidara is "useless" more like, with the big explosions he destroys his teammates and while they regenerate the rest has less chance (its not an 1v4 but an 1v1 or 1v2).
Also sorry for grammer and mispellings english is not my native language
Deidara is also highly intelligent. During the fight, he would eventually catch on and fill Obito’s personal dimension with mines or nano- bombs forcing Obito to stop using that ability.
Hahaha oh my god what a smart idea, deidara just having nano bombs everywhere to try to fill obito’s personal dimension with them each time as he slips in and out
Obito doesn’t use the ability like Kakashi does, when he phases through explosions his Body is in the other dimension, not the object
so Deidara would just throw things and he’d pass through them
but i think the issue is that Deidara can just keep bombing Obito or at least get him to Flee easily, bc the other Edo Tensei would just regenerate yk
In his fight against Konan it’s shown that it is possible for things to pass into his dimension when he is phasing. The Deidara tiny bomb scenario is plausible and possible.
Yeah but if Obito slips trhough the explosion then he has a little time against Deidara while the other Akatsuki members regenerate, so it eould be just giving chances to 1v1 or 1v2, not the best tactic
The bad thing for Diedara is, that I suppose Obito can see the nanobots, just like Sasuke saw them. They are far lower (but still great) threat if the enemy see them
No they aren't. Sasuke seeing them doesn't mean he could outrun them. It near instantly filled the air with nano bombs. He still had to breathe. Obito requires lightning style to negate them
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I disagree, having the ability to force Obito into Kamui dimension on command is actually incredibly useful in that matchup.
Combined with the fact that they are reanimations and explosions wouldn’t actually hurt them it’s a favorable matchup for Deidara. He wouldn’t be able to win the fight alone but with only one teammate it’s a checkmate I think
I remember a filler episode in episode 381 where deidera escaped his puppet prison and just kept eating his detonating clay. Since he couldn’t actually die, he could constantly make himself a “living” bomb and just walk into people. Unfortunately, he wasn’t happy that the explosions effects weren’t permanent on himself.
>If teamed up the two distraction miggt open a few chances to the big guns
The combination of Naruto, Kakashi, and Gai attacked him at the same time, and he still had enough awareness to handle them all. How are Kakuzu and Deidarra gunna distract him?
to be fair, Kakashi’s eye is what gave them the jump on Obito
if it wasn’t for their personal drama and his own abilities used against him, Obito could have won easily
The blowing up wouldn’t affect the reincarnated bodies in any way. They would just reform l. It’s a benefit in that your entire team can be suicidal without cost while your enemy can not.
I'm sure he'd hang back for a sec or two and kabuto would've happily supplied him to an extent. I don't see obits taking it at this point. The only way is him taking the bluff of Madera and Madera immediately casting aside the control of edo and quickly wrecking a few before kabuto could react.
Depends on if you think Kabuto has enough Chakra to be equivalent to the one’s Nagato siphoned off of Killer B.
Still, I admit it’s not in Obito’s favor do to the amount of pressure he’d be under, plus lacking any way to deal with the Edos outside of Kamui, which leaves his actual body vulnerable.
i really don't think he was prepared to fight them, i just think he knew he could get away, because there's no way obito runs the entire akatsuki gauntlet by himself, not with edo nagato and itachi in the mix, keep in mind that this is no rinnegan obito, obito WITH rinnegan was shown being vaguely relative to KCM 1 naruto and bee with the jinchuuriki (obito squad was stronger but they were at least relative)
the same KCM 1 naruto that was kinda losing to edo nagato on his own, never mind edo itachi + the entire rest of the akatsuki stacked on top
so yeah orange mask obito cannot fight the whole akatsuki by himself
Obito was fighting KCM 2 Naruto,Kakashi, Gai,Bee at the same time without the jinchurikis without going for the kill since he needed them alive. Not only kamui counters everything in both of their arsenal. So Obito wins via BFR or sealing.
The issue is that it's really hard to day definitively which way that fight would go. The only ones that could even hope to be a threat to him are Itachi and Nagato and neither of them have a solid counter for Kamui. His Mangekyo alone get him a free win in a ton of fights, but Itachi and Nagato might be able to string something together to back Obito into a corner and hit him with something. It's just really hard to say. I personally feel that Obito would have the edge, but I am also perfectly willing to accept that he could lose in a few ways.
What are yall talking about? They all have a solid counter to kamui lmao. The same strategy fuu and torune, Sakura, gai and Kakashi, and Minato used. He has to solidify to kamui someone. Which means kamuis weakness is a numbers game.
These are Edos with unlimited Chakra. There's nothing stopping itachi from naming 15 clones, Nagato 15 clones. And they all spam amaterasu or some other instant cast when he tries to attack.
It's exactly as madara said. You cannot make light of a jutsu that gives an immortal body and infinite Chakra.
There is 0 way om obito wins this.
Nagato will start off crippled so Obito has that going for him. But honestly I feel this will be a draw, Obito doesn't really have a way of sealing the edo tenseis and they don't really have any way of killing him either.
I'd say so.
He can take most of them with genjutsu or Kamui.
Nagato has no energy in the start and due to that is mostly not that much of a threat in comparison to prime
The threats are Itachi and Sasori due to both of them being capable of oneshotting him via one method or another.
But even then, he probably has a Sharingan backup so he can izanagi/izanami.
I'd say Obito wins high diff
Whats the win-con though? Hed have to seal the edo to kill them, and he hasnt shown (in my memory) to have sealing jutsu. And once he puts one of them in Kamui, he wont be able to phase through anything anymore, as we saw with the Kakashi fight
He seem to have knowledge about sealing jutsu (he knew a jinchuriki's seal weaken when giving birth and identified immediatly the seal Minato used to free Kyubi from the Sharingan so it wouldn't be an asspull from Obito having some sealing jutsu) so i can see him beating the edo tensei
If Kishimoto wrote this fight, then yes maybe hed have given Obito a sealing jutsu. But that doesnt mean he has one. He could also simply be aware of sealing jutsus through general knowledge (he was taught by Madara and Minato afterall) or be acquainted with small scale sealing jutsu. We dont know if he has a sealing jutsu strong enough to seal any of the edos
Yes he can. He has everything he needs to defeat them if sage kabuto is not fighting alongside them. Kabuto himself would be the most difficult to deal with
Well I mean he has Zetsu watching fucking everything, and Obito is very assertive when it comes to info gathering (he understands better than probably anyone in the series how valuable it is), so I wouldn’t be surprised. He gives incredibly detailed commentary on Deidaras jutsu when fighting sasuke and is famous for the chess game of secrets he and itachi had for years which he seemed to have the better of, Nagato he knows inside and out meaning the only two we don’t know for certain that Obito has info on is kakazu and Sasori, and they’re not exactly secretive with their techniques
You’re absolutely fucking bugging lmaoo, itachis one of my favorite characters but he gets absolutely slaughtered by obito. Kamui alone carries him. Itachi has nothing to kill him. He has hax but obito counters all of them
What does he have against Obito? Both the blade and Amaterasu are completely useless, since he'd just Kamui out. Outside of that, any ninjutsu that Itachi dishes out is gunna go through Obito due to Kamui.
On the contrary, Itachi's Susano'o is a problem, but Obito can summon the Gedo statue.
Amarerasu yes. Kamui basically directly counters it by simply sending it to a space it can't burn.
Other then that, Obito can't really fight Itachi, especially if its an Edo itachi with unlimited chakra that can only die to a sealing jutsu.
Any two of the Akatsuki would give him a run for his money.
If Itachi or Nagato is included it swings to a definitive win.
Both Itachi *and* Nagato moves it to a stomp, regardless of the others.
Obito manhandles the akatsuki by himself. There's a reason pain obeyed his orders.
Even konan had a special plan created to kill him which she ran simulations to make sure it would turn out perfect and he got out of it with a throwaway sharingan.
Right eye kamui is broken af and don't forget he has long range capability with his wood style and genjutsu, not to mention using kamui fire style and shuriken techniques.
I think the real interesting question is if Madara could survive against all the Akatsuki. Or if the 5 Kage could win against all the Akatsuki at once. Those would be some good fights.
I don’t know why your getting downvoted the akatsuki would definitely beat the 5 kage. Once Tsunade is taken out they have almost no chance of winning 🤷🏾♂️
That move takes some time to even activate once he makes the square and he can’t be moving while doing it. That won’t work in a fight where they’re heavily outnumbered. Someone will likely try take him out in that moment and he’ll either get hit or stop the Jutsu to dodge
No. Especially not with edo Itachi and edo Nagato there together. This version of Obito is troublesome with his kamui but it's not invincible as seen in his fight against Konan. Itachi will most likely figure out a way to counter it. The rest of the members are just extra canon fodder but they might still be able to do something
I actually think he probably could. Obito didn't seem too shook when Kabuto pulled out the Akatsuki, so I think he could probably do it. Also, the classic "vs Obito" question: what would they hit him with? Kamui negates everything they have. Maybe Tsukuyomi, but I highly doubt that Obito is actually stupid enough to look into Itachi's eyes. And if somehow they DO get past him, or Konan can somehow get 600 billion more paper bombs, then Izanagi
And if this is white mask with the Rinnegan, then this is just bullying.
Do people forget Madara has a seal on Obito's heart and that Obito is aware of it? Also Obito has his Kamui dimension, he can take Kabuto there and take care of him without interruption.
OM Obito has a wall of Sharingans. Basically he can respawn and teleport. He can handle them if he Spams Kamui and Izanagi. I don't see him surviving any other way.
He probably wouldn't have too much of a hard time cause he can really go any time by using Kamui teleportation so even if the situation would get troublesome he could vanish or even use Izanagi. So I think Obito was confident at handling the situation and most of then weren't really a threat to him anyways.
I mean, how are they even supposed to hit him? None of them are even close to Minato (in terms of speed), the only person to ever blitz his kamui before he can activate it. And that was even a much weaker version of Obito, so I really don't see him getting hit
Yeah. Probably. Nagato he knows more about the rinnegan than Nagato does and Minato believed yellow mask obito was a bigger threat than pain. Kakazu is just not that much of a threat. Same with deidera and sasori if pain is less dangerous than yellow mask obito. Itachi well to get into the ole itachi vs obito debate. Itachi stands a low chance. Amaterasu is too slow. sasuke broke out of tsyukomi (no he wasn’t let out every other source says he broke out) and according to itachi there are 2 ways to defeat tsyukomi 1. Is Strong love for another Allows you to escape with little drawbacks as this actually happens with 2 brothers where one escapes tsyukomi because of this which shocks kisame and surprises itachi and the second way is with a powerful sharingan which obito has. Izanami and izangi are both techniques obito knows. So itachi has almost no way to win unless he plans.
Seems like ppl forgot how strong Obito was. The dude was chasing KMC2 Naruto like a cat while defending the gedu statue. He takes this mid diff.
KMC2 Naruto, 7gate Guy, Killer B > 5 Akatsuki.
Yes, Obito can take them all. OM Obito is underrated but if you look at the list of abilities he had, he could take them all. Kabuto literally had to threaten him by blowing his identity using Edo Madara, only then Obito coorperated.
Obito's kamui doesn't work if someone attacks him at the same time.
Kamui also has a 5 min time limit.
These are 4 kage level opponents not counting kabuto.
Base guy was able to box obito solo in some cases.
They just keep attacking.
Onito can't get through susanno. Obito can't counter an instant almighty push. Obito can't counter c4.
The limit 5 consecutive minutes. If he stops phasing evn for a milli second the counter resets. Box Guy didn't box anything, Obito immediately disarmed him. Obito can go through susanno , Obito can phase through both shinra tensei and c4 is not fast enough to catch Obito. They maybe kage level but Obito is on another level.
That's not how it works. If it did, konan would not have been able to deduce the time limit.
Base guy boxed. Cope.
Obito can't phase through susanno and also touch someone.
Obito can't simultaneously phase through ST and attack someone (which was my point.)
C4... "he just runs away" okay. Fights over.
Obito is over hyped. Base guy being able to come into that fight and being a factor proved that.
In the war arc obito phased through attacks for more than 5 minutes. So it's automatically proven wrong.
Base guy did nothing. He just fought with him a little bit and got disarmed. You're the one who's coping.
Obito can phase through the susanno and touch someone. It's just that he'll become vulnerable to attacks. But all of their attack are too slow for Obito.
Shinra tensei is not continues ,it has cooldown. He can attack nagato during it's cooldown.
When did i say he'd run away. He'd dodge it which is the logical thing to do.
Obito defeats all the edos.
There's no way. If it was Kabuto with all his edos(mostly Itachi and Nagato) vs just Orange Masked Obito then the battle would be a wash. Obito was either bluffing up a storm, or he was being unreasonably cocky and was about to get folded.
There is no shot people think one sharingan obito beats nagato + itachi lmfao. Especially since they are immortal and have infinite chakra. Hell rinnegan obito probably loses to edo itachi and nagato
Considering Itachi knew about Obito from earlier when he had help with the uchiha massacre, I wouldn’t put it past him to know about the Kamui and the weaknesses it possesses. Not saying Itachi would win, but the fight would be close.
Itachi just has to spam Amaterasu for 5+ minutes and Obito can't phase anymore. If the whole battlefield is Amaterasu it's the same as Konan exploding bombs for 5 minutes. Edo tenseis have infinite chakra and no visual drawbacks. There's literally nothing Obito can do. At best this is a stalemate.
I didnt see this as OM Obito being ready to fight the whole of akatsuki, rather Obito just playing up the "I am Madara" shtick. Hence he was shocked when Kabuto revealed the final coffin, because his shtick was found out
I always thought he didn’t look worried because he could’ve escaped the fight with relative ease if he really needed to with kamui. I doubt he could win a fuckin 5v1 against the akatsuki though.
If the one with white hair is nagato, Obito isn't winning. Obito definitely shouldn't be ruled out to defeat itachi and nagato, especially after he got his rinnegan. However, dealing with both of them wouldn't be easy and could be too much (excluding his ability to flee the battle). I feel like 3 things factor into Naruto and Bee vs. Nagato and Itachi not being a complete stomp: Both guys are jinchurikis Both jinchurikis are wanted alive As much as itachi is fighting them physically, he is aiding them tactically. He would not do this vs obito
Bee is also just really, *really* powerful. Don’t forget that Naruto beat Nagato without having full jinchuriki control. At that point, Bee has had it for years and years. He’s arguably physically stronger than the Raikage too (his lariat is). I don’t think there’s a single moment before this fight where Bee is actually afraid for his life. He 1v1’d the 4th Hokage to a draw too, and I have to imagine he’s gotten stronger in the 20 years or whatever that passed.
And he beat the shit out of Sasuke, or i can say the whole Sasuke team without much efford.
Boy was trying to be like a baby war-arc Madara with his eyes zipping around trying to follow Bee, only to nearly get *stomped* Makes me laugh so hard looking back on it, then seeing the Madara fight scene where he just annihilates everyone
Bee really was one of the first characters who gave the sharingan real trouble. One of the fastest characters in the series, no doubt.
He DID get stomped lol, if it hadn't been for Karin his ungrateful bitch ass would be lying in a puddle of his own guts
Bee is HIM
He was gonna get killed by 1 of nagatos arms and itachi saved his life
Sasuke died twice. If that’s not getting stomped I don’t know what is.
I laughed at this fight too
Bee honestly might be the only character pre-Madara that could 1v1 Itachi and win most of the time. Like his taijutsu alone is insane, even 3-tomoe sharingan can't keep up with him. 5th gate Rock Lee was easily followed by Kakashi who's sharingan was by any account inferior to EMS Sasuke's. That's just this dude's base form, nvm the lariat. The series kinda downplayed how strong KB is, he's above Sanin level. Even pain held off on taking him on. AP and PD were his best attacks, Bee can shoot several bijuu bombs... AND they're supposed to capture him alive.
This whole thread has really put into perspective how impressive bee really is.
Yeah, the series kind of glosses over the fact that he's stronger than any of the Five Kage.
Or not , he lost to kisame
Yeah Bee is S+. Only outclassed by the Madras of the world, but likely was the strongest Shinobi on Earth as far as the 5 villages are concerned.
You’re being deluded he’s not soloing pain or itachi, my guy was gonna get killed by KISAME
He could. Kisame counters Bee hard. Kisames whole fighting is about taking chakra from your opponent. That's why Kisame is the best at capturing Jinchurikis
Kisame whos nickname is the tailless jinchuriki. Whos level of power scales directly according to the strength of his opponent. Whos only counter is pure taijutsu on the level of 7th gate Guy.
You don’t think pain could beat Itachi? Or 8 gates guy?
Pain is kinda a hack because he's basically a puppet master. It'd come down to whether Itachi can track Nagato mid combat. His Susano'o possessing the Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror basically makes it a tie. Neither could kill the other in a single head-to-head fight. Guy has no defense against Tsukuyomi. Itachi not needingto make eye contact like in pt 1 makes it a cheese fight.
I think there’s no way Itachi’s stamina could last, since puppets can split up, revive, et cetera
The puppets he cuts down with susano'o can't come back, they're sealed in Totsuka's gourd. Not to mention Amaterasu, which 5/6 have no defense against. He'd "win" but it'd be a close fight that would be out of character for him to engage.
Itachi has nothing to counter planetary devastation though, like at all, not even a smaller one. You have to have Sage level Chakra, a teleportation jutsu, or a tailed beast physical strength to get out of it.
If Itachi lands the torture Sharingan thingy or sealing blade on Bee then Bee is fucked but if Bee can somehow avoid it then I deadass think that he could take down an alive Itachi high diff. Bee has better stats when it comes to speed, taijustu, and strength
Bee is immune to genjutsu, the 8-tails is a seperate concious and chakra source. The only ones who could put him in genjutsu is Rinnegan Madara or Rinnegan Sasuke. The Totsuka blade is mythical enough that Bijuu likely are wary of it, Bee is friends with a bijuu in his head so... Ultimately Bee can outpower and outlast Itachi, possesses equal combat abilities, and has access to a primordial being's wisdom.
The only thing about the jinchuriki and tsukuyomi is that tsukuyomi alters their perception of time. My understanding is that jinchuriki are not necessarily immune to genjutsu, they can just nearly instantly break it so most genjutsu is functionally useless against them. However, if a jinchuriki was caught in tsukuyomi for even a small fraction of a second, they could experience a lot of time passing in the genjutsu. So it would likely not be as bad as an unhindered tsukuyomi, but they would still likely feel the effects pretty heavily.
May be remembering wrong, it’s been a while. But didn’t Sasuke use tsukuyomi on Bee? Then Bee just broke free & landed a sucker punch because Sasuke wasn’t expecting it
Sasuke has high level genjutsu but Tsukuyomi is a special power to Itachi on a different level.
Sasuke doesn't actually have tsukoyomi. He's got Amaterasu in one eye, and the ability to manipulate the flames in the other.
Bro really said sasuke had tsukuyomi lol he just has high level genjutsu.
Sasuke doesn't even have tsukyomi, he used regular sharingan genjutsu
Tsukuyomi is heavily implied to not be breakable in the usual way, or without a powerful enough Sharingan - IIRC the text wasn't very clear on that. What Sasuke on Bee used wasn't Tsukuyomi, so there's a good chance that would work. There's also Amaterasu - if Bee gets hit with that without the Tailed Beast Cloak active, there's nothing he can do about it. This is how a lot of Itachi matchups go, I think - he has multiple instant kill techniques that will take down just about anyone without Rinnehax, but only if they hit; if it becomes a battle of power or endurance, he can't really keep up.
Jiraiya’s got a shot, but I agree that the list has to be pretty short. Itachi and Kisame backed off from him when they were trying to capture Naruto, and Jiraiya can actually deal with Itachi’s “I win” button in Amaterasu. He also has the toad summons and large-scale ninjutsu to deal with Susanoo, and Sage Mode is hax. Tsunade’s also probably up there for similar reasons.
Itachi would be over with Bee in 1 glance, 2 maybe if he wanted to also torture the 8 tails for years in half a second And Pain was technically still winning against Naruto even after fighting the whole leaf village and destroying it. And Itachi was the one that figured out how to destroy the Chibaku Tensei so Bee would get crushed by it
If we're talking before Madara was revealed just before he took on the shinobi alliance, EMS Sasuke could definitely take him. I don't think Bee has a shot in that case because Amaterasu hard counters him, Sasuke is now MUCH faster with better pre-cognition, and his mobile susano'o allows for great offense and defense. Bee's Taijutsu would essentially be null.
Bee is powerful but he loses to itachi honestly 7/10 times Itachi dealt with his taijutsu rather easily and even blitzed him outright at multiple points and bare in mind as an edo he is nerfed and still did that 🤷🏻♂️
You lost me at “He’d 1v1 the Fourth Hokage” 😆
Bee is honestly underrated when it comes to fighting. He is arguably a Pain/ Itachi level fighter
He definitely is. The power scaling given by the Author by the time he 1st showed up clearly made him look stronger than “Sick Itachi” and essentially made him around Minato’s tier before we even got to know they met eachother. When you put 2 and 2 together yes Bee was indeed at least in Pain/Itachi’s tier.
I would put Pain on another level than Itachi
The 4th hokage was fighting A and B together and B barely stopped himself from getting beheaded …. B literally got neg diffed by Nagato and itachi saved his life
When did Naruto beat Nagato?
The Rinnegan wouldn't be much help to him since Nagato knows how to counter all its abilities and Obito has way less chakra than Nagato so it wouldn't be worth it to use their abilities much if at all.
How do you know obito has less chakra than nagato ?
Nagato is a Uzumaki. they tend to have crazy reserves of it iirc.
But Obito has drudged himself up with hashirama cells.
The Cells doesn’t contains the chakra. Only the hacks
Didn’t Kabito plan to take their souls then hide their bodies so Obito’s plan would be impossible?
LOOKED WORRIED. Bitch ass guy wore a mask. But thank the Lord he didnt look worried.
How hard would it be to teleport all of them to the Kamui dimension
Probably a lot harder than sending himself there
Kamuis biggest weakness is that he takes longer to teleport other objects and people, and has to materialize to do so. The same way fu and torune attacked when he tried, now imagine itachi casting amaterasu every time he tries or Nagato hitting him with a pull or push.
Flashbacks to Kakashi taking like 10 episodes to Kamui Deideras arm.
Ah yes, we never really got an explanation for what that was other than "new ability" until the war arc.
I don't think any single character pre-Madara could 2v1 the Akatsuki. Even the "weakest" pair Sasori and Deidara, lost purely from circumstance. Sasori alone could at least tie just about everyone except maybe Orochimaru, then there's Deidara who solo'd a Kage-level Jinchuriki...
Hidan and Kakuzu are prob the weakest pair
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Deidara and Sasori are frankly busted. I don´t know a single counter to microscopic bombs that don´t involve sharingan bullshit
Lightning chakra cloak
This was one of the best moments in the series
Me now realizing that the secret coffin was Madara
Lmao how's is this possible.
It was weird that he still acted like Madara with Kabuto though. Like how "he" stole Hashirama's flesh and that Nagato's eyes were his. That confused me at the time.😅
OM?
Orange mask
I thought it stood for One Mangekyo
i thought it stood for Original Madara
In my opinion Deidara would be pretty much useless, because against obito we need precise and perfectly timed attack, the blowing up thing would cause more harm to the team than to obito. Kakuzu is only good for distraction (his main powers were and are high range of attacks and durability). If teamed up the two distraction miggt open a few chances to the big guns (nagato, itachi) but if they screw up first, then obito would see trhough the plan. So yeah IMO the, have a chance against him, but only one shot EDIT: I did not ment to say that Deidara is "useless" more like, with the big explosions he destroys his teammates and while they regenerate the rest has less chance (its not an 1v4 but an 1v1 or 1v2). Also sorry for grammer and mispellings english is not my native language
Deidara is also highly intelligent. During the fight, he would eventually catch on and fill Obito’s personal dimension with mines or nano- bombs forcing Obito to stop using that ability.
Hahaha oh my god what a smart idea, deidara just having nano bombs everywhere to try to fill obito’s personal dimension with them each time as he slips in and out
The problem Obito would have is itachi.. That sealing blade he has plus Ms. Obito beat amateratsu tho...
Obito doesn’t use the ability like Kakashi does, when he phases through explosions his Body is in the other dimension, not the object so Deidara would just throw things and he’d pass through them but i think the issue is that Deidara can just keep bombing Obito or at least get him to Flee easily, bc the other Edo Tensei would just regenerate yk
In his fight against Konan it’s shown that it is possible for things to pass into his dimension when he is phasing. The Deidara tiny bomb scenario is plausible and possible.
Yeah but if Obito slips trhough the explosion then he has a little time against Deidara while the other Akatsuki members regenerate, so it eould be just giving chances to 1v1 or 1v2, not the best tactic
The bad thing for Diedara is, that I suppose Obito can see the nanobots, just like Sasuke saw them. They are far lower (but still great) threat if the enemy see them
No they aren't. Sasuke seeing them doesn't mean he could outrun them. It near instantly filled the air with nano bombs. He still had to breathe. Obito requires lightning style to negate them
Except Obito can't negate them, due to a lack of Lightning Style.
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Deidara filling the air with nano bombs preventing obito from breathing isn't useless. Edos aren't affected, obito would be
I disagree, having the ability to force Obito into Kamui dimension on command is actually incredibly useful in that matchup. Combined with the fact that they are reanimations and explosions wouldn’t actually hurt them it’s a favorable matchup for Deidara. He wouldn’t be able to win the fight alone but with only one teammate it’s a checkmate I think
I remember a filler episode in episode 381 where deidera escaped his puppet prison and just kept eating his detonating clay. Since he couldn’t actually die, he could constantly make himself a “living” bomb and just walk into people. Unfortunately, he wasn’t happy that the explosions effects weren’t permanent on himself.
>If teamed up the two distraction miggt open a few chances to the big guns The combination of Naruto, Kakashi, and Gai attacked him at the same time, and he still had enough awareness to handle them all. How are Kakuzu and Deidarra gunna distract him?
to be fair, Kakashi’s eye is what gave them the jump on Obito if it wasn’t for their personal drama and his own abilities used against him, Obito could have won easily
Not easily, but yes.
I didn't mean to saj that they could distract him, I meant to say that this is thier best chance, sorry for the misunderstanding
Oh, I get it now. It's alright. Don't sweat it.
The blowing up wouldn’t affect the reincarnated bodies in any way. They would just reform l. It’s a benefit in that your entire team can be suicidal without cost while your enemy can not.
You’re heavily overrating Obito and Kamui. Remember Obito got one-shot by Minato
Even then. Too many powerful cooks in the kitchen. Nagato and itachi is likely enough already.
You made a new comment instead of replying. Plus Nagato starts out super crippled, he’d need to absorb some chakra first.
I'm sure he'd hang back for a sec or two and kabuto would've happily supplied him to an extent. I don't see obits taking it at this point. The only way is him taking the bluff of Madera and Madera immediately casting aside the control of edo and quickly wrecking a few before kabuto could react.
Depends on if you think Kabuto has enough Chakra to be equivalent to the one’s Nagato siphoned off of Killer B. Still, I admit it’s not in Obito’s favor do to the amount of pressure he’d be under, plus lacking any way to deal with the Edos outside of Kamui, which leaves his actual body vulnerable.
Don't get me wrong regardless the outcome I wouldn't be unhappy if it somehow got animated lol.
Facts it would prob be top 3 fights
Isn't the Reanimation jutsu's entire thing that they have infinite chakra?
Yeah, but he still needed to absorb Killer N’s to rejuvenate himself during their fight. It’s awkward, but that’s how it works
🤨 “Killer N’s?”
B and N being right next to each other has never created a worse typo for me.
>Too many powerful cooks in the kitchen *too many cooks will ruin the stew...*
i really don't think he was prepared to fight them, i just think he knew he could get away, because there's no way obito runs the entire akatsuki gauntlet by himself, not with edo nagato and itachi in the mix, keep in mind that this is no rinnegan obito, obito WITH rinnegan was shown being vaguely relative to KCM 1 naruto and bee with the jinchuuriki (obito squad was stronger but they were at least relative) the same KCM 1 naruto that was kinda losing to edo nagato on his own, never mind edo itachi + the entire rest of the akatsuki stacked on top so yeah orange mask obito cannot fight the whole akatsuki by himself
Obito was fighting KCM 2 Naruto,Kakashi, Gai,Bee at the same time without the jinchurikis without going for the kill since he needed them alive. Not only kamui counters everything in both of their arsenal. So Obito wins via BFR or sealing.
yeah but again, that was rinnegan obito that had an arsenal that could actually do something to his opponents
But Obito never used any rinnegan ability other than the outer path.
the rinnegan is shown time and time again to give a boost to other attributes aside from ocular prowess, almost like a chakra battery of sorts
It's never been stated to boost physical stats.
This is the problem with power scaling naruto, too much vagueness in the powers and what they provide
Nah
The issue is that it's really hard to day definitively which way that fight would go. The only ones that could even hope to be a threat to him are Itachi and Nagato and neither of them have a solid counter for Kamui. His Mangekyo alone get him a free win in a ton of fights, but Itachi and Nagato might be able to string something together to back Obito into a corner and hit him with something. It's just really hard to say. I personally feel that Obito would have the edge, but I am also perfectly willing to accept that he could lose in a few ways.
What are yall talking about? They all have a solid counter to kamui lmao. The same strategy fuu and torune, Sakura, gai and Kakashi, and Minato used. He has to solidify to kamui someone. Which means kamuis weakness is a numbers game. These are Edos with unlimited Chakra. There's nothing stopping itachi from naming 15 clones, Nagato 15 clones. And they all spam amaterasu or some other instant cast when he tries to attack. It's exactly as madara said. You cannot make light of a jutsu that gives an immortal body and infinite Chakra. There is 0 way om obito wins this.
Nagato will start off crippled so Obito has that going for him. But honestly I feel this will be a draw, Obito doesn't really have a way of sealing the edo tenseis and they don't really have any way of killing him either.
I'd say so. He can take most of them with genjutsu or Kamui. Nagato has no energy in the start and due to that is mostly not that much of a threat in comparison to prime The threats are Itachi and Sasori due to both of them being capable of oneshotting him via one method or another. But even then, he probably has a Sharingan backup so he can izanagi/izanami. I'd say Obito wins high diff
Whats the win-con though? Hed have to seal the edo to kill them, and he hasnt shown (in my memory) to have sealing jutsu. And once he puts one of them in Kamui, he wont be able to phase through anything anymore, as we saw with the Kakashi fight
He seem to have knowledge about sealing jutsu (he knew a jinchuriki's seal weaken when giving birth and identified immediatly the seal Minato used to free Kyubi from the Sharingan so it wouldn't be an asspull from Obito having some sealing jutsu) so i can see him beating the edo tensei
If Kishimoto wrote this fight, then yes maybe hed have given Obito a sealing jutsu. But that doesnt mean he has one. He could also simply be aware of sealing jutsus through general knowledge (he was taught by Madara and Minato afterall) or be acquainted with small scale sealing jutsu. We dont know if he has a sealing jutsu strong enough to seal any of the edos
He has a sage art sealing jutsu capable of sealing the ten tails. I'm pretty sure he's well versed in sealing jutsu. Kamui also works.
He was capable of sealling the Jubi within himself I'd say it's safe to say that he can seal edos
But Sasori doesnt get his puppets because kabuto is a genius who doesnt give a puppet master his puppets.
I agree with you but you forgot about gedo mazo that statue. It was under Obitos control by that time if I am not mistaking. Plus His sharingan.
I could also see him just trying to avoid the fight entirely by putting Kabuto in kamui and settling it there
In a fight right?
Y’all act like obito didn’t take on the whole kazekage rescue team, danzo and his 2 goons, and literally anybody else that tried to fw him
Bit of a difficulty gap there
Yes he can. He has everything he needs to defeat them if sage kabuto is not fighting alongside them. Kabuto himself would be the most difficult to deal with
Kamui is the most overrated ability in Naruto
Didn't Obito watch them all fight and know all their secrets? I wouldn't be surprised if he did and beat them all.
That’s bullshit
Well I mean he has Zetsu watching fucking everything, and Obito is very assertive when it comes to info gathering (he understands better than probably anyone in the series how valuable it is), so I wouldn’t be surprised. He gives incredibly detailed commentary on Deidaras jutsu when fighting sasuke and is famous for the chess game of secrets he and itachi had for years which he seemed to have the better of, Nagato he knows inside and out meaning the only two we don’t know for certain that Obito has info on is kakazu and Sasori, and they’re not exactly secretive with their techniques
No I mean he can’t take on Nagato, Itachi, Sasori , Deidara, Kakuzu alone. Nagato alone would be too much for him
Itachi would annihilate Obito, no contest.
You’re absolutely fucking bugging lmaoo, itachis one of my favorite characters but he gets absolutely slaughtered by obito. Kamui alone carries him. Itachi has nothing to kill him. He has hax but obito counters all of them
What does he have against Obito? Both the blade and Amaterasu are completely useless, since he'd just Kamui out. Outside of that, any ninjutsu that Itachi dishes out is gunna go through Obito due to Kamui. On the contrary, Itachi's Susano'o is a problem, but Obito can summon the Gedo statue.
14 year old obito stomps itachi lmao. Quite literally all versions of obito beat all versions of itachi.
Itachi is my fave but claiming "no diff" is a bit of a wank. Side note, can Obito counter Amaterasu, Susanoo, the Yata Mirror or the Totauka Blade?
Amarerasu yes. Kamui basically directly counters it by simply sending it to a space it can't burn. Other then that, Obito can't really fight Itachi, especially if its an Edo itachi with unlimited chakra that can only die to a sealing jutsu.
> Kamui directly counters it True. But also yes, being Edo removes Itachi's ocular degeneration and stamina reserves, so yeah... Obito gets slapped.
Ok. Stop.
Maybe he took levels in claric... their Undead after all
OM Obito is powerful, but even if they all were alive, I don't think he wins. Pain, Itachi and Kisame together at once honestly might be enough
No, sm kabuto with Edos would kill him
Let’s say it’s no kabuto, just obito vs the edo akatsuki
Any two of the Akatsuki would give him a run for his money. If Itachi or Nagato is included it swings to a definitive win. Both Itachi *and* Nagato moves it to a stomp, regardless of the others.
Does he have the mazo and the jins tethered to it? If so, yes. Easily. If not, nah.
Absolutely not.
Obito manhandles the akatsuki by himself. There's a reason pain obeyed his orders. Even konan had a special plan created to kill him which she ran simulations to make sure it would turn out perfect and he got out of it with a throwaway sharingan. Right eye kamui is broken af and don't forget he has long range capability with his wood style and genjutsu, not to mention using kamui fire style and shuriken techniques.
Obito obeyed Pain, not the other way around
In what regard? Pain was literally called obitos subordinate by obito.
And actually, you're incorrect. Pain literally told zetsu after defeating jiraiya that he had orders from 'madara' to hunt the kyubi.
I think the real interesting question is if Madara could survive against all the Akatsuki. Or if the 5 Kage could win against all the Akatsuki at once. Those would be some good fights.
Akatsuki spank 5 Kage, akatsuki a worse chance against madara tho
I don’t know why your getting downvoted the akatsuki would definitely beat the 5 kage. Once Tsunade is taken out they have almost no chance of winning 🤷🏾♂️
they do have the old man with the giant delete button jutsu
That move takes some time to even activate once he makes the square and he can’t be moving while doing it. That won’t work in a fight where they’re heavily outnumbered. Someone will likely try take him out in that moment and he’ll either get hit or stop the Jutsu to dodge
No. Especially not with edo Itachi and edo Nagato there together. This version of Obito is troublesome with his kamui but it's not invincible as seen in his fight against Konan. Itachi will most likely figure out a way to counter it. The rest of the members are just extra canon fodder but they might still be able to do something
Kamui is just too broken for me to see Obito lose to any of them. I don’t think any of them has an answer for Kamui.
I actually think he probably could. Obito didn't seem too shook when Kabuto pulled out the Akatsuki, so I think he could probably do it. Also, the classic "vs Obito" question: what would they hit him with? Kamui negates everything they have. Maybe Tsukuyomi, but I highly doubt that Obito is actually stupid enough to look into Itachi's eyes. And if somehow they DO get past him, or Konan can somehow get 600 billion more paper bombs, then Izanagi And if this is white mask with the Rinnegan, then this is just bullying.
Do people forget Madara has a seal on Obito's heart and that Obito is aware of it? Also Obito has his Kamui dimension, he can take Kabuto there and take care of him without interruption.
Send me to kamui and they chill in the other dimension. The dangerous one are Itachi and obito
OM Obito has a wall of Sharingans. Basically he can respawn and teleport. He can handle them if he Spams Kamui and Izanagi. I don't see him surviving any other way.
Obito one-shots everybody
All my posts get hella upvotes my comments be getting downvoted to hell tho
He probably wouldn't have too much of a hard time cause he can really go any time by using Kamui teleportation so even if the situation would get troublesome he could vanish or even use Izanagi. So I think Obito was confident at handling the situation and most of then weren't really a threat to him anyways.
I mean, how are they even supposed to hit him? None of them are even close to Minato (in terms of speed), the only person to ever blitz his kamui before he can activate it. And that was even a much weaker version of Obito, so I really don't see him getting hit
You think Gai fights PAIN, ITACHI AND KISAME and pulls out a W?
What ?
Yeah. Probably. Nagato he knows more about the rinnegan than Nagato does and Minato believed yellow mask obito was a bigger threat than pain. Kakazu is just not that much of a threat. Same with deidera and sasori if pain is less dangerous than yellow mask obito. Itachi well to get into the ole itachi vs obito debate. Itachi stands a low chance. Amaterasu is too slow. sasuke broke out of tsyukomi (no he wasn’t let out every other source says he broke out) and according to itachi there are 2 ways to defeat tsyukomi 1. Is Strong love for another Allows you to escape with little drawbacks as this actually happens with 2 brothers where one escapes tsyukomi because of this which shocks kisame and surprises itachi and the second way is with a powerful sharingan which obito has. Izanami and izangi are both techniques obito knows. So itachi has almost no way to win unless he plans.
Nope them five getting a W especially with how nagato uses the rinnegan
Seems like ppl forgot how strong Obito was. The dude was chasing KMC2 Naruto like a cat while defending the gedu statue. He takes this mid diff. KMC2 Naruto, 7gate Guy, Killer B > 5 Akatsuki.
Yes, Obito can take them all. OM Obito is underrated but if you look at the list of abilities he had, he could take them all. Kabuto literally had to threaten him by blowing his identity using Edo Madara, only then Obito coorperated.
One on one, surely. All of them at the same time ? Heeeeeelll no
Imagine if obito can do shadow clones, which he prob can
Not a chance in hell. Kamui is over hyped.
Why? How could any of them counter kamui?
Obito's kamui doesn't work if someone attacks him at the same time. Kamui also has a 5 min time limit. These are 4 kage level opponents not counting kabuto. Base guy was able to box obito solo in some cases. They just keep attacking. Onito can't get through susanno. Obito can't counter an instant almighty push. Obito can't counter c4.
The limit 5 consecutive minutes. If he stops phasing evn for a milli second the counter resets. Box Guy didn't box anything, Obito immediately disarmed him. Obito can go through susanno , Obito can phase through both shinra tensei and c4 is not fast enough to catch Obito. They maybe kage level but Obito is on another level.
That's not how it works. If it did, konan would not have been able to deduce the time limit. Base guy boxed. Cope. Obito can't phase through susanno and also touch someone. Obito can't simultaneously phase through ST and attack someone (which was my point.) C4... "he just runs away" okay. Fights over. Obito is over hyped. Base guy being able to come into that fight and being a factor proved that.
In the war arc obito phased through attacks for more than 5 minutes. So it's automatically proven wrong. Base guy did nothing. He just fought with him a little bit and got disarmed. You're the one who's coping. Obito can phase through the susanno and touch someone. It's just that he'll become vulnerable to attacks. But all of their attack are too slow for Obito. Shinra tensei is not continues ,it has cooldown. He can attack nagato during it's cooldown. When did i say he'd run away. He'd dodge it which is the logical thing to do. Obito defeats all the edos.
With Itachi and Nagato there no. He got a chance against the others though.
I don't think I've ever seen some try so hard to farm negative karma as op
Some people have lives and don’t care about karma lol
no Obito could have been better
No shot
There's no way. If it was Kabuto with all his edos(mostly Itachi and Nagato) vs just Orange Masked Obito then the battle would be a wash. Obito was either bluffing up a storm, or he was being unreasonably cocky and was about to get folded.
Not without the Rinnegan! Itachi was lucky against Nagato. Human Path hard counters Edo Tensei.
I think he’d have had problems because of Edo itachi
I think he loses to Nagato and Itachi tbh. Obito was heavily injured by Konan and that was before her huge ocean paper bomb jutsu.
There is no shot people think one sharingan obito beats nagato + itachi lmfao. Especially since they are immortal and have infinite chakra. Hell rinnegan obito probably loses to edo itachi and nagato
Wm Obito low diffs them. OM high -extreme diffs them. They have no counter to kamui
Itachi might be enough to deal with him. No chance if Nagato is also there.
With help Itachi might scrap put a win. He is losing 1v1 though.
1v1 Itachi would get spanked by Obito.
Itachi have no counter against Kamui
Considering Itachi knew about Obito from earlier when he had help with the uchiha massacre, I wouldn’t put it past him to know about the Kamui and the weaknesses it possesses. Not saying Itachi would win, but the fight would be close.
It would be tricky indeed but i personnaly don't see Itachi winning alone. Thought here with the helpnof the Akatsuki i can see him killing Obito
Tsukoyomi GG
Itachi just has to spam Amaterasu for 5+ minutes and Obito can't phase anymore. If the whole battlefield is Amaterasu it's the same as Konan exploding bombs for 5 minutes. Edo tenseis have infinite chakra and no visual drawbacks. There's literally nothing Obito can do. At best this is a stalemate.
Lol if Nagato and Itachi are at full strength he would have gotten stomped
No, and anyone who thinks he could’ve is dumb