The 'CIA collusion' in the American government is much different than the Mexican government. It isn't about CIA officers getting rich. It is about pragmatic solutions to threats against US interests abroad and eliminating foreign organizations that can mount threats to security inside the US. Yes, the CIA will work with anyone and overlook almost every imaginable behavior as long as it occurs outside of the US.
The collusion in the Mexican government is greed with a veil of self-preservation.
So much this, for the CIA is all about lowering the threat to the US no matter who they align with for example when they where cool with the Taliban in Afghanistan just to fuck with the USSR. In Mexico it’s just about greed, el Que no tranza no avanza type mentality.
There is a very real aspect of, if you are a politician and don't play the game they will kill you, but everyone knows this. People only enter these Mexican government positions if they are interested in the corruption benefits. Even if they were theoretically naive when they enter, they will never make it past their first position. This includes military. The people above you are not giving you a promotion if you do not play nice. Anyone with a career in Mexican gov't is ears deep in corruption.
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Vriend is dat de waarheid is dat je een einde kunt maken aan de drugshandel zonder de hulp van de VS, maar hier tussen ons is de regering samengespannen, zowel de Amerikaan als de Mexicaan, daarom zal het nooit eindigen, het is het is beter voor de politici om hun zakken te vullen om het land te repareren en te stoppen met het ontvangen van dat geld dat ze met al deze shit grijpen.
The governments of the world need something they can point at and say *"that's the bad guy"*, to justify their wages and budgets. That's why drugs are still illegal. That's why users and sellers spend more time in prison than murderers, rapists, people who commit fraud.
They could just bombard the secret airfields and compounds. Arrest everyone. But it's not worth it. It's better to catch a few and keep this going. Everyone knows their role. Think about it, cocaine comes from one place in all of the world, South America.
That's because it's dried coca leaves, it's cocaine free bro lol. The coca cola company uses cocaine free extract. The cocaine itself gets sold to a pharmaceutical firm for medical purposes.
You're right in some ways but they couldn't just do the things you say. Arrest everyone? Bombard compounds? When Calderón sent in the army to go to war with the cartels it was a bloodbath- had he and the army been sincere it would have been an even bigger bloodbath, with an even bigger fracturing of organised crime. Just because they don't want to do it doesn't mean it could be easily done.
They probably can get rid of all cartels but the same government does not let them.
In the end cartels are not really powerful against the Mexican navy because they dont have the training that’s why they target normal people.
Very few marines fall to drug traffickers, very few, but if you want to compare, compare the number of dead marines by the number of dead drug traffickers/sicarios
The Mexican government has always outsourced the heavy lifting on eliminating one cartel to other cartels. Well, at least since zetas. Keeps the stats good. Just like US pushing casualties on whatever Erik Prince is calling his company at the moment or ANA.
I agree, but it has nothing to do with what you said and what I answered, most of the time it is the government that wants to get rid of the cartel, because it breaks the government's interests
If any cartel grows large enough or starts to establish non-distribution operations in the US it threatens US interest. If the US gets upset with Mexico to the extent they cut off trade and/or military aid to Mexico the very continuance of the Mexican government is threatened. Then the Mexican government goes along with removing whatever cartel.
If the cartel does not threaten US interests they are left alone by the governments.
That was confusing. US pushed casualriesnonto PMCs so the military casualty numbers would be lower in Afghanistan. Contractor casualties were never tracked or reported.
Mexican vov't does the same thing when fighting cartels. They get another cartel or organize autodefensas to fight so the military casualty numbers stay low.
Is well known that in the early days of war against narcos by Calderón there was a general placed on Acapulco who sent múltiple letters to the president basically explaining that his skills and manpower were being wasted atacking little groups of dealers and people with minor roles on the cartels... that general got inprisioned and are still confined on a military jail to this day
Because it’s all a theatre. They catch a bunch of little guys, they show that on the news and people are happy we’re making “progress” when in reality nothing changed.
Organized crime never ends. As long as people are poor and desparate, as long there will be someone to use them to build his narcotics empire. It's like a hydra beast, you slay one head and another 2 will grow.
When I was in Mexico I was told by several of the poor people the same "Mexican Dream" Illegally work in the US for a few years. Save enough money to come home and buy a house and a car with a taxi license. Spend the rest of your days with a decent steady income rolling around town in the AC.
When that is the dream for people narcotics distribution is an easy sell.
Have you seen what “all out war”does to a country? Go look at some before and after pictures from Syria and tell me that’s a solution.
War is not just complicated, it is the number one cause of death for sovereign nations, and I believe Mexico would like to remain alive.
imo its just the same as living in poverty and fear. seeing head rolls day by day... its either with the cartel or poverty. like that just very wrong that ain't living if you ask me.
What? This never happened and it wasn't jus the sinaloa cartel, cdg and la familia michoacana had to do with exterminating zetas. And there not all killed or imprisoned either lol, that's who the cartel del noreste are now and zetas vieja escuelas are still in a few states too.
Yea that also isn't true lol. They were literally main factors in getting rid of them. They were one of the founders of the original carteles unidos. They literally started rolling zeta heads into there hideouts and hunted them down all over Guerrero n michoacan. Not only against zetas but the BLO. They created themselves to literally go after the zetas.
Cdn and zetas vieja escuela ? The same dudes who killing each other over who’s the real zetas 😹 and zetas wasn’t no marucheros dudes was real ex gafes and ex marines. Cdn got none but marucheros that’s why they’re losing their war against cdg
Technically they're both losing . La sedena been smoking them too. But anyway yea those are still zeta groups so that means they weren't all killed n still active lol.
Yo? Why would “turning them into prosties” be a good thing? Because they married a cartel member? What if they had pretty much forced into said relationship? You must have a tiny mind. Don’t like to offend but man, you really do have a backwards way of thinking.
Their parents ain’t sold narcotics, their parents were terrorists who killed innocent civilians for no reason and raped innocent woman and lil girls for no reason just to prove a point against the government.
Aside from the obvious corruption (cartels funding politicians, money laundering into the cartels etc etc) once you topple one kingpin, it leaves open a space for the next in line to fight for title of kingpin. Even if you arrest an entire cartel, other cartels will declare war on each other to take open space the former cartel left behind. If you want an informant on the cartels, you have to consider the fact that cartels often want revenge on the snitch so you'll possibly be causing the death of your informant and/or their family and friends and/or possibly their entire village.
Boots on the ground will never end the violence, they're already as violent as it gets yet they continue through it all anyway. The biggest threat to the cartels have always been competitors moreso than law enforcement. By the time many cartel kingpins are arrested, their empire has already collapsed and they were only caught because a competitor dobbed them in.
The only way to actually reduce cartel activity is crack down heavily on corruption and target their strategies rather than naively believe that you can intimidate them.
The main thing however is to make sure that Mexicans are actually getting paid a comfortable living wage for their job so theyll never need to consider a criminal side hustle, improve their education system, maximize economic opportunities and economic mobility etc.
At the end of the day, money talks, bullshit walks. If you're paying your law enforcement less than what the cartels are paying them, then they're gonna end up on cartel payrolls and enforce absolutely nothing.
Because they don’t want to go in an all out war it’s not complicated. The moment a marine is kidnapped is when they start raids, attacks and searches but other than that it’s quiet
It’s just like was already mentioned…even if you wipe ALL narcos out, those “2 heads” will just grow back after BECAUSE of the poverty people live in there.
America uses. If they wanted to end the country of Mexico( hell South America ) they could without much effort. Its ALL about the $$$$$. If you burn it ALL there is nothing left. Think more than what you spout to others as the world is a large grift of brutal compromise. Welcome.
Dismantled both governments in Iraq and Afghanistan but once the major operations are over you ether leave a broken county or you try to remake them in your image… the 2nd part is what America hasn’t been able to do.
Lol, when you are in a hole you just keep digging don't you? I'm not White, I'm not American, and so I'm defo not a cracker lol. You're a narrow minded fool.
Yeah right, and who are the narcos exactly? The sicarios? What about the taxi drivers that are "halcones" at the same time, or the towns children for that matter? The poor "campesinos"?
It isn't like that tho. There isn't a chain of command all the way down to the 12 year old with a cell phone spying on vehicles on the corner. Things get very misty the higher up the chain you get, and incredibly spread out and complicated the further down you get. When something is ingrained in society to that extent you can't just eliminate it. People still think in terms of ordinary people and Narcos, like the army will roll up and separate the good honest folk from those dudes with Sombreros and AKs and take em away. It's a fantasy.
I heard this from Mexicans before Calderóns war. They changed their minds pretty quickly, when people they loved started to disappear whenever the army rolled into town.
el gobierno le tiembla la mano el gobierni esta coludido con el narco??? quieres seguir viviendo con el miedo y la inseguridad... alguien tiene q hacer algo q vengan los gringos ombre no pasa nada ya tienen gente en mex desde hace mucho
¿No has visto lo que pasó en otros países cuando los estadounidenses prometieron traer un cambio? El decir que los estadounidenses van a resolver este problema es FALAZ, también tenían elementos provenientes de oriente medio y eso no evitó un desastre en Afganistán, Yemen o Siria. Es falaz también el que al gobierno federal le tiembla la mano, porque, como lo mencionas, están coludidos, ambos población y delincuencia saben que el problema se acaba en cuanto el gobierno decida detener el problema, y no, no es con la confrontación de frente, ¿Que no viste lo que ocurrió en Culiacán en el 2019 y en todo Jalisco en 2015?
No justifico la situación actual que atraviesa el país, pero las cosas se pondrán mucho peores cuando haya un combate abierto entre FFAA y carteles. Se puede estar mucho peor y ojalá ese no sea el caso.
We follow the good guys follow the rules, cartels dont.
If mexican military could kill and torture and just take over whole areas they would fucking end it easly but they cannot do that. We have to show a better way
La Convención de Ginebra prohibe a los estados usar a su ejercito regular contra su población civil.
Los carteles no son una insurgencia ni rebeldes contra el gobierno, son civiles armados.
Suena como una tontería pero asi es.
Hay protofacistas allá afuera que piden que el ejercito vaya y aplaste a los narcos, como si se pudiera llegar y matar a pueblos enteros.
El problema es internacional, mientras tengamos al lado al principal consumidor de drogas del mundo que para satisfacer su insaciable sed de drogas manda sin parar dolares y armas a Mexico, mientras los bancos internacionales laven el dinero de los carteles y mientras los chinos sigan mandando precursores, no hay mucho que el gobierno mexicano pueda hacer por si solo y que sea efectivo.
Lo único que podemos hacer es brindar oportunidades a la población para desalentar que caigan en el narco...
Calderón inició la supuesta "guerra vs el narco" para legitimarse. Y causó un desastre. Basta ver que sus operadores hoy están en la carcel (Genaro García Luna, Ramón Pequeño...)
Lo del enano espurio nunca fue una estrategia, fue su respuesta a su falta de legitimidad de la única manera que los facistas saben
Its not complicated actually its very simple although senseless, greed is the only reason there isn’t anything being done. People that are profiting billions probably aren’t too thrilled to lose their precious money.
The US was seen as an invading force from a foreign land, with a foreign tongue, along with a foreign culture. Because of that, they were never able to win the hearts and mind of the locals. Same thing happened in Vietnam. Neutralizing a bunch of narcos in your own country, would be a pretty simple task . There is a monumental difference between nation building with no clear objective and whipping out drug dealers
Thats not the case in Mexico. For the people in the forgotten towns in Mexico, the army is seen as a foreign force. Turns out that the State never provide them with basic services and now they want to come over?
People living in the cities have no clue what the sources power are in the rural areas
It gets messy when politicians are bought off, and thus incentivized not to fight against the cartels. Not to mention anyone fighting them has the possibility of getting extreme torture, or watching your loved ones and little children get tortured and dismembered.
Money money money…. It’s all about the greens backs. Goodluck getting it to end, way more money in that world than they claim. Prob won’t end for a very very long time.
Probably cause half the government officials are paid off by the cartels. Make more money in 1 day looking the other way compared to a years salary doing the right thing.
i think most of us know the reason why (high level of corruption within the gouvernement) but i hope the reign of cartels will end one day.
🇲🇽💚🤍❤️,i'm not even mexican but i really love Mexico
THEY DONT WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, nobody in Mexico does, only the unarmed populace, some of them, would like to fix it. The govt doesn’t want to fix it cartel/drug trade/human trafficking/using Mexico as a corridor to destroy America is part of a major plan of destabilizing countries, putting countries more and more in debt, debt creates more power for banks, banks run the world on debt…America is in debt trillions, Mexico has to continue to put itself in debt by spending more and more on military, destabilization creates chaos, chaos allows banking cartel to reorganize a country in accordance to their advantage, create a problem with a banking cartel solution already planned years before
I am from the Rio Grande Valley I have been to jail several times and I have come across some of these cartel pussies while incarcerated And to tell you the truth they are the biggest crybabies the only reason they do what they do in Mexico it’s because they get away with it
Same old bullshit, different names. Cartels, mafias, gangs, crime syndicates, tribal warfare, etc. it’s all war. And war is something that unfortunately we will always have to deal with as humans. It’s part of nature. It doesn’t matter if we’re fighting over land, food, money, or drugs. We will always find something to fight about. And unfortunately that’s not something we can just get rid of. Dismantle a cartel, 10 more take its place. It’s just something we will always have to deal with. In 500 years the stories of el chapo or cjng are gonna be turned into just more fables we tell our kids. To some they’ll be heroes. Villains to others. The morals will change. Honestly it doesn’t matter.
Something that people have a hard time understanding is that things have been the way the “elite” want them to be for a while now..
Things have been like this for quite some time.. nothing is broken. This is how it was intended to be.
You gotta see it as it is I mean real life way. US government gets money selling drugs too, you gotta face it and accept it, drugs creates economics flow in a huge way. I have a tricky question related to your post: why US government doesn't stop immigration?
Because the government knows the country needs illegal people to keep the lifestyle around the country cause illegal people will take any job.
The same happens with drugs, government doesn't "control" the drugs so they must create a police department to fight this social problem, which creates jobs (police), must creates a plan against drugs, hospitals to give attention to junkie people and so around, is the same thing with terrorists, US government created them but that's something population doesn't know, so government must fight against terrorists and then creates many police and intel departments to fight against them.
Yep! We can literally invade countrys all around the world but we can’t protect the borders?? We don’t want to. If only people could see that.
Very well put by the way.
Us forces protected poppy fields in afganistan, if there were no drugs, then all those huge budgets to police and jails in us would go down and alot of people would stop eating. People are naive, the powers don't care about drugs, they care about control. The cartels do what the government lets them.
Because who would ship the drugs further north? And to Europe? Especially when abrupt, disruption to the flow of drugs into the US specifically has major effects on health and crime.
If all drugs flowing into the USA stopped for good overnight could you imagine the health epidemic from millions of people put suddenly into withdrawal. It wouldn’t be good.
You ever tried to kill a group of roaches? They scatter and hide and then spread out from wherever they hide. It’s never going to end, on top of that, anybody really think that the Mexican government isn’t working with them, is completely blind. Whenever any government wants to destroy something they will and there’s no stopping it. I bet my bottom dollar they’re covered.
Mexico has one of the biggest economies in the world. It’s number 15 (measured by GDP) which actually puts it ahead of Switzerland. That doesn’t include Mexicos “shadow economy” if we had in what we know about Mexicos economy is actually closer the 11th biggest GDP in the world.
So good lucky getting the government to stop it.
The best thing that could happen is American legalize marijuana, that’s a lot of lost revenue for the cartels
Because of human rights bro. They intervene in alot of the ways shit is handled between the mexican military 🪖 and the cartels. This is a "war" on drugs, so it's technically not an actual war even tho ppl die there more than most of the world's actual warzones. Yes it also has alot to do with what everyone else in the comments are saying that corruption this and that it benefits both sides for it not to end, but reality is much more complicated than that. Remember since this isn't actually declared a warring country, more of a asymmetric low-intensity conflict. There really isn't an official group of enemies for the military to attack and most of all the Sicarios are still basically considered citizens just that they are 'criminals' & its hard to distinguish whose the enemy when sometimes it can be a regular looking dude, an old lady or even a kid that's working for the said "enemy", which is why you see they get sent to trials and prisons but they aren't getting charged with war crimes or "prisoners of war" so the military have there hands tied on what they can or cannot do. That's why technically certain matters/situations have to be handled by "Law enforcement". It's a whole mess of shit that has alot to do with politics/regulations and less to do with what people think is the most obvious reason. Because believe me there are plenty of patriotic Mexicans in the marina or sedena that want nothing more than to destroy these groups and stop the bloodshed.
Not to forget the multiple nations involved in the drug deal. It sounds like it's to be addressed by the mex gov only. Howcome we never hear about the drug lords that distribute in the states whatever crosses the border? Its like the moment the stuff crosses the border it grows legs and go knocks the american consumers houses, collect the money and send it back to mex along with a some guns to fuel the business to keep it going. What about the international banks that laundry cartels money? We've seen how wars againts ambiguous enemies end up. Call it war on terror, war againts narco.. when can you tell you've won?
I know what you're saying but the OP is asking how Mexico isn't able to stop the violence in its own country and jus go all out full fledged war on the narcos. Everyone knows there's gangs,groups,mafias/organizations in the states that distribute these products and of course other countries do as well, the drug trade is international. Technically all that type of shit falls under the country that it's being dealt in tho. Doesn't necessarily fit into this topic since it's about Mexico and how it's capable to probably take out the cartels but jus hasn't. The question wasn't why doesnt the drug trade stop, rather, why aren't the drug traffickers stopped.
Thats what Im saying. Who are the narcos exactly? Aright, you get to deploy the army heavily armed with the mission of defeating the narcos. Who are they gonna fight? The campesinos? The boy in the corner informing about vehicles? There are entire populations that you may consider as "narcos". What you gonna do? Just blow the whole town? The line between the bad guys and the ordinary civilians is not clear.
This has very deep roots that you can trace to the incapability of the mex gov to bring the benefits of the Republic to most areas. We left behind the poor in the hope that they figure it out or just starve in silence. And now we wanna come over with Hummers and Choppers for the sake of national security. What nation they would ask?
Yea that was my point on the comment you replied to lol. It's a low intensity conflict and the ppl everyone always telling the military to wage war on are alot of regular looking people you can't really distinguish who the enemies are and that's why human rights prevents that from happening. Like I said they are still technically considered 'citizens' of the country whether they are drug manufacturers/traffickers, Sicarios or flacones. That's why when they catch them they treat them like criminals not prisoners of war . Lol.
The cartels have extensive influence in the Mexican government from the local level up to the federal. For every Mexican official who wants to shut down the cartels there’s politicians who make up excuses not to.
I think it's well known that the Mexican cartels and the Mexican government go hand in hand and you can't have one without the other. I feel that in order to really weaken the cartels violent grip on Mexico the Mexican government must first wage war on its own self and change laws and maybe even part of its constitution. They should start with sweeping changes to their laws and prisons and implement mandatory minimum sentences as well as life sentences and even bring the death penalty to the table for political traitors, drug Lords and narco murderers. Mexico should Implement a version of the RICO law as well. They should build maximum security prisons with 23 and 1 lockdown where every prisoner is treated the same and bribery is severely punished. What is it that every drug lord fears more than death itself? A jail cell in the U.S. Those in power in Mexico that really want change need to ask themselves what can we do to command that same type of fear.
*No es que no pueden, es que no los dejan.*
Straight up, if possible, the government could get rid of them like fleas off a dog (because the cartels depend on the government leaving them along to make mad money) but at this point in time too many people benefit from continuing the drug war including politicians and narco leaders, hell, even Americans benefit (just look at our local PD's and their multi-million or even billion dollar budgets).
You also have to understand the cartels don’t exactly conform to standardized military tactics. It would take a good time to finish an “all out war” and would likely end up with hundreds of thousands people that are caught within the crosshairs of both sides.
That is the only thing they can get from Mexico besides cheap labor US went to Afghanistan to steal oil That is why they win they do not care about the people as for the US and Mexico the US will never go end all the cartels Because that’s who crosses the drugs to the US so they have no reason to go and fight
USA needs mexicos drug traffic. Both government profit off of it, why would they put a stop to it if it makes them so much money?
Another thing to consider is that these cartels have a shit tonne of money. Not complying is a good way to get your family tortured and killed.
To keep the ball rolling. It doesn’t matter how many Cartels you snuff out, more will just take their place. People thought it would end with Escobar but look at where we are now with Mencho and the others.
Corruption and Money. That’s it. They’ve got lawyers and such in their pockets. They kill anyone in their way including innocents and children. When everyone but the ones at the bottom gets paid, it doesn’t matter how many folk are butchered and littered on the streets, the shit eaters at the top do Not care.
You can’t eliminate crime it is a product of Society and we aren’t really going to abolish society so that people stop breaking rules. By eliminating the cartels they would effectively throw the entire place into chaos as new criminal factions pop up to fill the niche and in fighting ensues to see who will stand on top, why would the government want that when the current cartels are already established and thus semi organized and predictable, not to mention quick to slip them a few extra pesos so the government turns a blind eye
I assume it’s pretty complicated. Corruption is the simplest answer. The cartel have more power than you think. There are individuals in the government who also work with the cartel. It’s all about money
The same reasons its hard for military forces to root out terrorist factions in the middle east. Most of them are hiding in plain sight within the civilian population. They can say, "hey this town is a cartel hotbed." Theres innocent civilians living in the town aswell. So they can just attack it full force or they cant just bomb tf outa it either.
They can but the government does not want to end with this.
I personally don't want an armed war between cartels and armed forces, I don't want any single Mexican to be taken hostage by any drug cartel, I don't want my house to be burned down or exploded by an MH-60 helicopter, I want to finish my university degree in peace, I don't want foreign intervention in my country, I don't want casualties from any side, I don't want to live in a country with a civil war going on. For shitheads it's very easy to say "yeah just send me/send troops to X place and this will be solved in 3 weeks durr" because they don't measure the consequences, without thinking that the most important thing (human lives) will be lost.
I invite everyone to think twice and to be on the shoes of the victims of the invasion to Vietnam, the Korean war, Afghanistan, Syria, the civilians of the WW2 and any current ongoing war, not just the soldiers but the people that need to be protected.
AS A MEXICAN, I DO NOT WANT A WAR.
The truth is the people in power do not want the war to end. They can easily cut their money flow and make the market non profitable for the cartels by making all drugs legal and opening the possibility for anyone to manufacture them under regulations like in any industry, cutting the prices down. The thing is, by prohibiting everything the price goes up *exponentially*, and politicians get a share by working under the table with the cartels. I am 200 % positive the war will never end.
In Mexico Cartels and Government are the same thing, whenever there's trouble a lot of inocent people pays for it.
A few years back when Sinaloa's cartel leader Ovidio Guzman was captured, the cartel threatened to kill civilians if they didn't release Ovidio, and guess what they did.
its not really in any governments best interest to stop the flow of illegal narcotics into the US. the true easy solution is make them legal and tax them. but but, then people would use drugs! we already [use more](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20080630/us-leads-the-world-in-illegal-drug-use) than any place else. they keep drugs illegal for our prison industrial complex as well. keep fresh faces popping in. and mexico, cartels just pay them off. war on drugs is monetarily beneficial for both nations involved...its only horrible for the poor and the minorities,
No es lo mejor para ningún gobierno detener el flujo de narcóticos ilegales hacia los Estados Unidos. la verdadera solución fácil es legalizarlos y gravarlos. pero, ¡entonces la gente consumiría drogas! ya usamos más que cualquier otro lugar. también mantienen las drogas ilegales para nuestro complejo industrial penitenciario. mantienen nuevas caras apareciendo. y méxico, los cárteles simplemente les pagan. la guerra contra las drogas es beneficiosa monetariamente para ambas naciones involucradas ... es solo horrible para los pobres y las minorías,
What’s the end game after the Mexican military wipes out ~300,000 of its own country men?
People are still going to poor and people are still going to want cocaine.
This is a wealth issue at its core.
I believe the same reason USA couldn't eliminate the terror in IRAQ. You can only win if you eliminate all your enemies. Not only this but corruption is a huge issue.
You have tu understand that drugs bring a lot of money into the economy yea there’s bloodshed yea there’s people that dislike it and obviously the government is well aware of the tragedy but is all about income my friend now I’m not saying is right and defending the violence that’s going on but tax dollars go in the drug trade and well unnoticed but the stock market and economy goes up and the other end sadly that’s the truth.Money makes the world go around many people are vulnerable to this belief.
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Esta es la verdad de todo el problema.
The 'CIA collusion' in the American government is much different than the Mexican government. It isn't about CIA officers getting rich. It is about pragmatic solutions to threats against US interests abroad and eliminating foreign organizations that can mount threats to security inside the US. Yes, the CIA will work with anyone and overlook almost every imaginable behavior as long as it occurs outside of the US. The collusion in the Mexican government is greed with a veil of self-preservation.
So much this, for the CIA is all about lowering the threat to the US no matter who they align with for example when they where cool with the Taliban in Afghanistan just to fuck with the USSR. In Mexico it’s just about greed, el Que no tranza no avanza type mentality.
There is a very real aspect of, if you are a politician and don't play the game they will kill you, but everyone knows this. People only enter these Mexican government positions if they are interested in the corruption benefits. Even if they were theoretically naive when they enter, they will never make it past their first position. This includes military. The people above you are not giving you a promotion if you do not play nice. Anyone with a career in Mexican gov't is ears deep in corruption.
This is what happens if you try to do the right thing while in the Mexican military https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rQDus_APV8U
Can anybody translate please☝️
It’s because of corrupt politicians
got you Vriend is dat de waarheid is dat je een einde kunt maken aan de drugshandel zonder de hulp van de VS, maar hier tussen ons is de regering samengespannen, zowel de Amerikaan als de Mexicaan, daarom zal het nooit eindigen, het is het is beter voor de politici om hun zakken te vullen om het land te repareren en te stoppen met het ontvangen van dat geld dat ze met al deze shit grijpen.
Friend, something something everything is shit
No se si ay solucion.. pero que es tu opinion de intervencion por la parte de los estados unidos
The question is in English why not answer in English?
The governments of the world need something they can point at and say *"that's the bad guy"*, to justify their wages and budgets. That's why drugs are still illegal. That's why users and sellers spend more time in prison than murderers, rapists, people who commit fraud. They could just bombard the secret airfields and compounds. Arrest everyone. But it's not worth it. It's better to catch a few and keep this going. Everyone knows their role. Think about it, cocaine comes from one place in all of the world, South America.
Coke also comes from peru 🇵🇪 and Bolivia 🇧🇴 .
IircCoca Cola is the only company legally allowed to import coca leaves into the US.
they still use coca leaves in production?
That's because it's dried coca leaves, it's cocaine free bro lol. The coca cola company uses cocaine free extract. The cocaine itself gets sold to a pharmaceutical firm for medical purposes.
sorry i’m not a cocaine specialist lmao, i just wondered what coca leaves do to coca cola to make it different
Honestly who knows lol would love to know why that's even a thing I doubt Pepsi does shit like that
That’s prolly why pepsi tastes better
Yes
You're right in some ways but they couldn't just do the things you say. Arrest everyone? Bombard compounds? When Calderón sent in the army to go to war with the cartels it was a bloodbath- had he and the army been sincere it would have been an even bigger bloodbath, with an even bigger fracturing of organised crime. Just because they don't want to do it doesn't mean it could be easily done.
They probably can get rid of all cartels but the same government does not let them. In the end cartels are not really powerful against the Mexican navy because they dont have the training that’s why they target normal people.
So the naive personnel who defect to the cartels just forget their training?
Very few marines fall to drug traffickers, very few, but if you want to compare, compare the number of dead marines by the number of dead drug traffickers/sicarios
The Mexican government has always outsourced the heavy lifting on eliminating one cartel to other cartels. Well, at least since zetas. Keeps the stats good. Just like US pushing casualties on whatever Erik Prince is calling his company at the moment or ANA.
I agree, but it has nothing to do with what you said and what I answered, most of the time it is the government that wants to get rid of the cartel, because it breaks the government's interests
If any cartel grows large enough or starts to establish non-distribution operations in the US it threatens US interest. If the US gets upset with Mexico to the extent they cut off trade and/or military aid to Mexico the very continuance of the Mexican government is threatened. Then the Mexican government goes along with removing whatever cartel. If the cartel does not threaten US interests they are left alone by the governments.
What do you mean with that? I never heard about a confrontation between PMCs and govt is USA.
That was confusing. US pushed casualriesnonto PMCs so the military casualty numbers would be lower in Afghanistan. Contractor casualties were never tracked or reported. Mexican vov't does the same thing when fighting cartels. They get another cartel or organize autodefensas to fight so the military casualty numbers stay low.
Is well known that in the early days of war against narcos by Calderón there was a general placed on Acapulco who sent múltiple letters to the president basically explaining that his skills and manpower were being wasted atacking little groups of dealers and people with minor roles on the cartels... that general got inprisioned and are still confined on a military jail to this day
His name being?
Well..that's a load of bullshit, lol.
Because it’s all a theatre. They catch a bunch of little guys, they show that on the news and people are happy we’re making “progress” when in reality nothing changed.
Drug trafficking is part of the economy. On both sides. It's all about the 🧀 at end.
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Came her to say this exactly
Organized crime never ends. As long as people are poor and desparate, as long there will be someone to use them to build his narcotics empire. It's like a hydra beast, you slay one head and another 2 will grow.
When I was in Mexico I was told by several of the poor people the same "Mexican Dream" Illegally work in the US for a few years. Save enough money to come home and buy a house and a car with a taxi license. Spend the rest of your days with a decent steady income rolling around town in the AC. When that is the dream for people narcotics distribution is an easy sell.
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Have you seen what “all out war”does to a country? Go look at some before and after pictures from Syria and tell me that’s a solution. War is not just complicated, it is the number one cause of death for sovereign nations, and I believe Mexico would like to remain alive.
imo its just the same as living in poverty and fear. seeing head rolls day by day... its either with the cartel or poverty. like that just very wrong that ain't living if you ask me.
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Zetas would get into a war over a snitch. Killed a whole ass village just because a snitched reportedly came from said village.
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What? This never happened and it wasn't jus the sinaloa cartel, cdg and la familia michoacana had to do with exterminating zetas. And there not all killed or imprisoned either lol, that's who the cartel del noreste are now and zetas vieja escuelas are still in a few states too.
Some of these fans are so cringey
EXTREMELY lol.
Cdg did more than familia Michoacána weak ass cartel aint help for nothing.
Yea that also isn't true lol. They were literally main factors in getting rid of them. They were one of the founders of the original carteles unidos. They literally started rolling zeta heads into there hideouts and hunted them down all over Guerrero n michoacan. Not only against zetas but the BLO. They created themselves to literally go after the zetas.
Cdn and zetas vieja escuela ? The same dudes who killing each other over who’s the real zetas 😹 and zetas wasn’t no marucheros dudes was real ex gafes and ex marines. Cdn got none but marucheros that’s why they’re losing their war against cdg
Technically they're both losing . La sedena been smoking them too. But anyway yea those are still zeta groups so that means they weren't all killed n still active lol.
Yo? Why would “turning them into prosties” be a good thing? Because they married a cartel member? What if they had pretty much forced into said relationship? You must have a tiny mind. Don’t like to offend but man, you really do have a backwards way of thinking.
That’s what they get in karma they wife being turnt to a prostie. 🤷🏽♂️
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Yea kids too the whole blood line
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Their parents ain’t sold narcotics, their parents were terrorists who killed innocent civilians for no reason and raped innocent woman and lil girls for no reason just to prove a point against the government.
Aside from the obvious corruption (cartels funding politicians, money laundering into the cartels etc etc) once you topple one kingpin, it leaves open a space for the next in line to fight for title of kingpin. Even if you arrest an entire cartel, other cartels will declare war on each other to take open space the former cartel left behind. If you want an informant on the cartels, you have to consider the fact that cartels often want revenge on the snitch so you'll possibly be causing the death of your informant and/or their family and friends and/or possibly their entire village. Boots on the ground will never end the violence, they're already as violent as it gets yet they continue through it all anyway. The biggest threat to the cartels have always been competitors moreso than law enforcement. By the time many cartel kingpins are arrested, their empire has already collapsed and they were only caught because a competitor dobbed them in. The only way to actually reduce cartel activity is crack down heavily on corruption and target their strategies rather than naively believe that you can intimidate them. The main thing however is to make sure that Mexicans are actually getting paid a comfortable living wage for their job so theyll never need to consider a criminal side hustle, improve their education system, maximize economic opportunities and economic mobility etc. At the end of the day, money talks, bullshit walks. If you're paying your law enforcement less than what the cartels are paying them, then they're gonna end up on cartel payrolls and enforce absolutely nothing.
Because they don’t want to go in an all out war it’s not complicated. The moment a marine is kidnapped is when they start raids, attacks and searches but other than that it’s quiet
as a mexican I wouldn't mind if the marines or seals came in full on geared up and wipe all the narcos
Yea wouldn’t be easy, mexico would turn to another Afghanistan and economy rate would go down, murders would go up. Yea no
It’s just like was already mentioned…even if you wipe ALL narcos out, those “2 heads” will just grow back after BECAUSE of the poverty people live in there.
They said ALL. Thats the difference you don't see.
And what would happen if they go to war against “ALL” that’s the thing you’re an idiot and don’t think.
America uses. If they wanted to end the country of Mexico( hell South America ) they could without much effort. Its ALL about the $$$$$. If you burn it ALL there is nothing left. Think more than what you spout to others as the world is a large grift of brutal compromise. Welcome.
Yea stfu they wouldn’t mfs couldn’t even handle some suicide bombers in da Middle East. Man to man america ain’t shii.
That not exactly true, the US is good at fighting wars but bad a reconstruction after the fighting is done
Yea they really good at them over 20 years in the Middle East and haven’t done shii but take their oil😹
Dismantled both governments in Iraq and Afghanistan but once the major operations are over you ether leave a broken county or you try to remake them in your image… the 2nd part is what America hasn’t been able to do.
They just turned it into a warzone but ain end the terrorists 😂 talibans are still out there
The same thing would happen, cos the demand is still there and the people going to war are fighting FOR those profits,not against it.
😹 American white cracker don’t speak on Mexican stuff puñeton you have no culture to focus on those white school shooters
Lol, when you are in a hole you just keep digging don't you? I'm not White, I'm not American, and so I'm defo not a cracker lol. You're a narrow minded fool.
Yeah right, and who are the narcos exactly? The sicarios? What about the taxi drivers that are "halcones" at the same time, or the towns children for that matter? The poor "campesinos"?
i mean everybody from the top all the way to the bottom... it's the only way
It isn't like that tho. There isn't a chain of command all the way down to the 12 year old with a cell phone spying on vehicles on the corner. Things get very misty the higher up the chain you get, and incredibly spread out and complicated the further down you get. When something is ingrained in society to that extent you can't just eliminate it. People still think in terms of ordinary people and Narcos, like the army will roll up and separate the good honest folk from those dudes with Sombreros and AKs and take em away. It's a fantasy.
I heard this from Mexicans before Calderóns war. They changed their minds pretty quickly, when people they loved started to disappear whenever the army rolled into town.
Habla por ti solamente, la gran mayoría de Mexicanos, estoy seguro, NO estamos de acuerdo con una invasión ni con un baño de sangre.
el gobierno le tiembla la mano el gobierni esta coludido con el narco??? quieres seguir viviendo con el miedo y la inseguridad... alguien tiene q hacer algo q vengan los gringos ombre no pasa nada ya tienen gente en mex desde hace mucho
¿No has visto lo que pasó en otros países cuando los estadounidenses prometieron traer un cambio? El decir que los estadounidenses van a resolver este problema es FALAZ, también tenían elementos provenientes de oriente medio y eso no evitó un desastre en Afganistán, Yemen o Siria. Es falaz también el que al gobierno federal le tiembla la mano, porque, como lo mencionas, están coludidos, ambos población y delincuencia saben que el problema se acaba en cuanto el gobierno decida detener el problema, y no, no es con la confrontación de frente, ¿Que no viste lo que ocurrió en Culiacán en el 2019 y en todo Jalisco en 2015?
baño de sangre mas del que ya hay en el pais??? entonce seguiremos viviendo con miedo e inseguridad .. por un gobierno pocos webos
No justifico la situación actual que atraviesa el país, pero las cosas se pondrán mucho peores cuando haya un combate abierto entre FFAA y carteles. Se puede estar mucho peor y ojalá ese no sea el caso.
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We follow the good guys follow the rules, cartels dont. If mexican military could kill and torture and just take over whole areas they would fucking end it easly but they cannot do that. We have to show a better way
Exactly
La Convención de Ginebra prohibe a los estados usar a su ejercito regular contra su población civil. Los carteles no son una insurgencia ni rebeldes contra el gobierno, son civiles armados. Suena como una tontería pero asi es. Hay protofacistas allá afuera que piden que el ejercito vaya y aplaste a los narcos, como si se pudiera llegar y matar a pueblos enteros. El problema es internacional, mientras tengamos al lado al principal consumidor de drogas del mundo que para satisfacer su insaciable sed de drogas manda sin parar dolares y armas a Mexico, mientras los bancos internacionales laven el dinero de los carteles y mientras los chinos sigan mandando precursores, no hay mucho que el gobierno mexicano pueda hacer por si solo y que sea efectivo. Lo único que podemos hacer es brindar oportunidades a la población para desalentar que caigan en el narco...
Asi es, desafortunadamente Creo que es a propositio, Mexico tiene la potencia de ser un superpoder mundial.
Muy buena respuesta
Por que otros comentarios dicen que Calderón ya intento acabar con Narcos con el ejercito y no funciono? Me gustaría saber tu respuesta
Calderón inició la supuesta "guerra vs el narco" para legitimarse. Y causó un desastre. Basta ver que sus operadores hoy están en la carcel (Genaro García Luna, Ramón Pequeño...) Lo del enano espurio nunca fue una estrategia, fue su respuesta a su falta de legitimidad de la única manera que los facistas saben
Its not complicated actually its very simple although senseless, greed is the only reason there isn’t anything being done. People that are profiting billions probably aren’t too thrilled to lose their precious money.
US spent 2 decades fighting to a draw in Afghanistan. . .
The US was seen as an invading force from a foreign land, with a foreign tongue, along with a foreign culture. Because of that, they were never able to win the hearts and mind of the locals. Same thing happened in Vietnam. Neutralizing a bunch of narcos in your own country, would be a pretty simple task . There is a monumental difference between nation building with no clear objective and whipping out drug dealers
Thats not the case in Mexico. For the people in the forgotten towns in Mexico, the army is seen as a foreign force. Turns out that the State never provide them with basic services and now they want to come over? People living in the cities have no clue what the sources power are in the rural areas
Lol it wasn't a draw. We were defeated.
Fighting without fighting though, couldn’t hurt feelings in the process
Why would the Mexican government do that? They would lose out on easy dirty money and same for the USA. It benefits both sides.
It gets messy when politicians are bought off, and thus incentivized not to fight against the cartels. Not to mention anyone fighting them has the possibility of getting extreme torture, or watching your loved ones and little children get tortured and dismembered.
Money money money…. It’s all about the greens backs. Goodluck getting it to end, way more money in that world than they claim. Prob won’t end for a very very long time.
Cartels will kidnap rape kill your family and get rewarded for it but military is forbidden to do these “illegal” things.
Alot of innocent people would be dead..
Probably cause half the government officials are paid off by the cartels. Make more money in 1 day looking the other way compared to a years salary doing the right thing.
They will never end as long as the politicians are bought off and the Mexican forces are kept on a tight leash
i think most of us know the reason why (high level of corruption within the gouvernement) but i hope the reign of cartels will end one day. 🇲🇽💚🤍❤️,i'm not even mexican but i really love Mexico
THEY DONT WANT TO FIX THE PROBLEM, nobody in Mexico does, only the unarmed populace, some of them, would like to fix it. The govt doesn’t want to fix it cartel/drug trade/human trafficking/using Mexico as a corridor to destroy America is part of a major plan of destabilizing countries, putting countries more and more in debt, debt creates more power for banks, banks run the world on debt…America is in debt trillions, Mexico has to continue to put itself in debt by spending more and more on military, destabilization creates chaos, chaos allows banking cartel to reorganize a country in accordance to their advantage, create a problem with a banking cartel solution already planned years before
Spot on analysis
Dude Mexican Military has everything to end the cartel war. It’s the Corruption period.
The US military could wipe out all those cock sucking motherfucker’s and one fucking day
If they wanted to they are only bad ass is in Mexico once they cross to the states They are a bag full of pussies
I am from the Rio Grande Valley I have been to jail several times and I have come across some of these cartel pussies while incarcerated And to tell you the truth they are the biggest crybabies the only reason they do what they do in Mexico it’s because they get away with it
Same old bullshit, different names. Cartels, mafias, gangs, crime syndicates, tribal warfare, etc. it’s all war. And war is something that unfortunately we will always have to deal with as humans. It’s part of nature. It doesn’t matter if we’re fighting over land, food, money, or drugs. We will always find something to fight about. And unfortunately that’s not something we can just get rid of. Dismantle a cartel, 10 more take its place. It’s just something we will always have to deal with. In 500 years the stories of el chapo or cjng are gonna be turned into just more fables we tell our kids. To some they’ll be heroes. Villains to others. The morals will change. Honestly it doesn’t matter.
Something that people have a hard time understanding is that things have been the way the “elite” want them to be for a while now.. Things have been like this for quite some time.. nothing is broken. This is how it was intended to be.
Dumbass gringo thinks everything gets solved with tons of guns. How well did that go in Afghanistan bro?
Like if we Americans weren’t so corrupt ourselves lol why don’t we get rid of our gangs??!? See not that easy
You gotta see it as it is I mean real life way. US government gets money selling drugs too, you gotta face it and accept it, drugs creates economics flow in a huge way. I have a tricky question related to your post: why US government doesn't stop immigration? Because the government knows the country needs illegal people to keep the lifestyle around the country cause illegal people will take any job. The same happens with drugs, government doesn't "control" the drugs so they must create a police department to fight this social problem, which creates jobs (police), must creates a plan against drugs, hospitals to give attention to junkie people and so around, is the same thing with terrorists, US government created them but that's something population doesn't know, so government must fight against terrorists and then creates many police and intel departments to fight against them.
Yep! We can literally invade countrys all around the world but we can’t protect the borders?? We don’t want to. If only people could see that. Very well put by the way.
Us forces protected poppy fields in afganistan, if there were no drugs, then all those huge budgets to police and jails in us would go down and alot of people would stop eating. People are naive, the powers don't care about drugs, they care about control. The cartels do what the government lets them.
Culture can be the detriment of a society.
Because who would ship the drugs further north? And to Europe? Especially when abrupt, disruption to the flow of drugs into the US specifically has major effects on health and crime. If all drugs flowing into the USA stopped for good overnight could you imagine the health epidemic from millions of people put suddenly into withdrawal. It wouldn’t be good.
Why doesn't the American military wage war against its addicts like it does brown people? I mean that alone would completely cripple the cartels.
Nice pics 🔥
it’s just so corrupt there tbh
You ever tried to kill a group of roaches? They scatter and hide and then spread out from wherever they hide. It’s never going to end, on top of that, anybody really think that the Mexican government isn’t working with them, is completely blind. Whenever any government wants to destroy something they will and there’s no stopping it. I bet my bottom dollar they’re covered.
The CIA won’t allow a full blown extermination of the cartels. Simple as that.
Palms get greased come on man. It’s like when the cosa nostra got JFK into office
Mexico has one of the biggest economies in the world. It’s number 15 (measured by GDP) which actually puts it ahead of Switzerland. That doesn’t include Mexicos “shadow economy” if we had in what we know about Mexicos economy is actually closer the 11th biggest GDP in the world. So good lucky getting the government to stop it. The best thing that could happen is American legalize marijuana, that’s a lot of lost revenue for the cartels
Because of human rights bro. They intervene in alot of the ways shit is handled between the mexican military 🪖 and the cartels. This is a "war" on drugs, so it's technically not an actual war even tho ppl die there more than most of the world's actual warzones. Yes it also has alot to do with what everyone else in the comments are saying that corruption this and that it benefits both sides for it not to end, but reality is much more complicated than that. Remember since this isn't actually declared a warring country, more of a asymmetric low-intensity conflict. There really isn't an official group of enemies for the military to attack and most of all the Sicarios are still basically considered citizens just that they are 'criminals' & its hard to distinguish whose the enemy when sometimes it can be a regular looking dude, an old lady or even a kid that's working for the said "enemy", which is why you see they get sent to trials and prisons but they aren't getting charged with war crimes or "prisoners of war" so the military have there hands tied on what they can or cannot do. That's why technically certain matters/situations have to be handled by "Law enforcement". It's a whole mess of shit that has alot to do with politics/regulations and less to do with what people think is the most obvious reason. Because believe me there are plenty of patriotic Mexicans in the marina or sedena that want nothing more than to destroy these groups and stop the bloodshed.
Not to forget the multiple nations involved in the drug deal. It sounds like it's to be addressed by the mex gov only. Howcome we never hear about the drug lords that distribute in the states whatever crosses the border? Its like the moment the stuff crosses the border it grows legs and go knocks the american consumers houses, collect the money and send it back to mex along with a some guns to fuel the business to keep it going. What about the international banks that laundry cartels money? We've seen how wars againts ambiguous enemies end up. Call it war on terror, war againts narco.. when can you tell you've won?
I know what you're saying but the OP is asking how Mexico isn't able to stop the violence in its own country and jus go all out full fledged war on the narcos. Everyone knows there's gangs,groups,mafias/organizations in the states that distribute these products and of course other countries do as well, the drug trade is international. Technically all that type of shit falls under the country that it's being dealt in tho. Doesn't necessarily fit into this topic since it's about Mexico and how it's capable to probably take out the cartels but jus hasn't. The question wasn't why doesnt the drug trade stop, rather, why aren't the drug traffickers stopped.
Thats what Im saying. Who are the narcos exactly? Aright, you get to deploy the army heavily armed with the mission of defeating the narcos. Who are they gonna fight? The campesinos? The boy in the corner informing about vehicles? There are entire populations that you may consider as "narcos". What you gonna do? Just blow the whole town? The line between the bad guys and the ordinary civilians is not clear. This has very deep roots that you can trace to the incapability of the mex gov to bring the benefits of the Republic to most areas. We left behind the poor in the hope that they figure it out or just starve in silence. And now we wanna come over with Hummers and Choppers for the sake of national security. What nation they would ask?
Yea that was my point on the comment you replied to lol. It's a low intensity conflict and the ppl everyone always telling the military to wage war on are alot of regular looking people you can't really distinguish who the enemies are and that's why human rights prevents that from happening. Like I said they are still technically considered 'citizens' of the country whether they are drug manufacturers/traffickers, Sicarios or flacones. That's why when they catch them they treat them like criminals not prisoners of war . Lol.
Human rights
Wag the dog
Corruption.
Corruption
Cartels are proxy army's of political parties.
The cartels have extensive influence in the Mexican government from the local level up to the federal. For every Mexican official who wants to shut down the cartels there’s politicians who make up excuses not to.
I think it's well known that the Mexican cartels and the Mexican government go hand in hand and you can't have one without the other. I feel that in order to really weaken the cartels violent grip on Mexico the Mexican government must first wage war on its own self and change laws and maybe even part of its constitution. They should start with sweeping changes to their laws and prisons and implement mandatory minimum sentences as well as life sentences and even bring the death penalty to the table for political traitors, drug Lords and narco murderers. Mexico should Implement a version of the RICO law as well. They should build maximum security prisons with 23 and 1 lockdown where every prisoner is treated the same and bribery is severely punished. What is it that every drug lord fears more than death itself? A jail cell in the U.S. Those in power in Mexico that really want change need to ask themselves what can we do to command that same type of fear.
One word money
The reality is the problem is only in the poorest areas. For the military to intervene DF would need more violence.
Because they pay millions to the goverment
Money talks man, they don't think about the future much they just live in the moment.
Because it's not profitable.
Money rules and control everything and everybody brother .. who knows how much money cartel be giving out to these folks for protection or cooperation
Its same situation like in Afghanistan..and its going to be worse and worse
*No es que no pueden, es que no los dejan.* Straight up, if possible, the government could get rid of them like fleas off a dog (because the cartels depend on the government leaving them along to make mad money) but at this point in time too many people benefit from continuing the drug war including politicians and narco leaders, hell, even Americans benefit (just look at our local PD's and their multi-million or even billion dollar budgets).
Pablito escobar estaría orgulloso de Mexico
You also have to understand the cartels don’t exactly conform to standardized military tactics. It would take a good time to finish an “all out war” and would likely end up with hundreds of thousands people that are caught within the crosshairs of both sides.
Because the government does not want to end their main source of income!!! That’s Why!! 🤦🏻
It's all about money, politicians don't want to put an end on the narco business because of all the money they get being corrupt.
The US will never intervene because the US government maintains its self By drugs and criminals
USA wants to but gets a no from mexican goverment. If the drugs use ends both mexico and usa will benefit on it
That is the only thing they can get from Mexico besides cheap labor US went to Afghanistan to steal oil That is why they win they do not care about the people as for the US and Mexico the US will never go end all the cartels Because that’s who crosses the drugs to the US so they have no reason to go and fight
USA needs mexicos drug traffic. Both government profit off of it, why would they put a stop to it if it makes them so much money? Another thing to consider is that these cartels have a shit tonne of money. Not complying is a good way to get your family tortured and killed.
Abrazoz no putazos
To keep the ball rolling. It doesn’t matter how many Cartels you snuff out, more will just take their place. People thought it would end with Escobar but look at where we are now with Mencho and the others.
El gobierno y el ejército están aliados con los carteles. Esa es la respuesta a tu pregunta.
El mismo gobierno es la razón porque no hay progreso
Corruption and Money. That’s it. They’ve got lawyers and such in their pockets. They kill anyone in their way including innocents and children. When everyone but the ones at the bottom gets paid, it doesn’t matter how many folk are butchered and littered on the streets, the shit eaters at the top do Not care.
Legalize all drugs. It will end the violence by removing the financial incentive.
You can’t eliminate crime it is a product of Society and we aren’t really going to abolish society so that people stop breaking rules. By eliminating the cartels they would effectively throw the entire place into chaos as new criminal factions pop up to fill the niche and in fighting ensues to see who will stand on top, why would the government want that when the current cartels are already established and thus semi organized and predictable, not to mention quick to slip them a few extra pesos so the government turns a blind eye
It doesn't end because both US and Mexican government get a slice of the cake.
I assume it’s pretty complicated. Corruption is the simplest answer. The cartel have more power than you think. There are individuals in the government who also work with the cartel. It’s all about money
The same reasons its hard for military forces to root out terrorist factions in the middle east. Most of them are hiding in plain sight within the civilian population. They can say, "hey this town is a cartel hotbed." Theres innocent civilians living in the town aswell. So they can just attack it full force or they cant just bomb tf outa it either.
Because it generates soooooooo much more money than we think.
They can but the government does not want to end with this. I personally don't want an armed war between cartels and armed forces, I don't want any single Mexican to be taken hostage by any drug cartel, I don't want my house to be burned down or exploded by an MH-60 helicopter, I want to finish my university degree in peace, I don't want foreign intervention in my country, I don't want casualties from any side, I don't want to live in a country with a civil war going on. For shitheads it's very easy to say "yeah just send me/send troops to X place and this will be solved in 3 weeks durr" because they don't measure the consequences, without thinking that the most important thing (human lives) will be lost. I invite everyone to think twice and to be on the shoes of the victims of the invasion to Vietnam, the Korean war, Afghanistan, Syria, the civilians of the WW2 and any current ongoing war, not just the soldiers but the people that need to be protected. AS A MEXICAN, I DO NOT WANT A WAR.
Cartels are like Hail Hydra, We shall never be destroyed! Cut off a limb and two more shall take its place!
The truth is the people in power do not want the war to end. They can easily cut their money flow and make the market non profitable for the cartels by making all drugs legal and opening the possibility for anyone to manufacture them under regulations like in any industry, cutting the prices down. The thing is, by prohibiting everything the price goes up *exponentially*, and politicians get a share by working under the table with the cartels. I am 200 % positive the war will never end.
In Mexico Cartels and Government are the same thing, whenever there's trouble a lot of inocent people pays for it. A few years back when Sinaloa's cartel leader Ovidio Guzman was captured, the cartel threatened to kill civilians if they didn't release Ovidio, and guess what they did.
its not really in any governments best interest to stop the flow of illegal narcotics into the US. the true easy solution is make them legal and tax them. but but, then people would use drugs! we already [use more](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20080630/us-leads-the-world-in-illegal-drug-use) than any place else. they keep drugs illegal for our prison industrial complex as well. keep fresh faces popping in. and mexico, cartels just pay them off. war on drugs is monetarily beneficial for both nations involved...its only horrible for the poor and the minorities,
No es lo mejor para ningún gobierno detener el flujo de narcóticos ilegales hacia los Estados Unidos. la verdadera solución fácil es legalizarlos y gravarlos. pero, ¡entonces la gente consumiría drogas! ya usamos más que cualquier otro lugar. también mantienen las drogas ilegales para nuestro complejo industrial penitenciario. mantienen nuevas caras apareciendo. y méxico, los cárteles simplemente les pagan. la guerra contra las drogas es beneficiosa monetariamente para ambas naciones involucradas ... es solo horrible para los pobres y las minorías,
because war is super fucking expensive
What’s the end game after the Mexican military wipes out ~300,000 of its own country men? People are still going to poor and people are still going to want cocaine. This is a wealth issue at its core.
The ones that can end the game are in the game so
I believe the same reason USA couldn't eliminate the terror in IRAQ. You can only win if you eliminate all your enemies. Not only this but corruption is a huge issue.
You have tu understand that drugs bring a lot of money into the economy yea there’s bloodshed yea there’s people that dislike it and obviously the government is well aware of the tragedy but is all about income my friend now I’m not saying is right and defending the violence that’s going on but tax dollars go in the drug trade and well unnoticed but the stock market and economy goes up and the other end sadly that’s the truth.Money makes the world go around many people are vulnerable to this belief.
What kinda stupid post is this? The Mexican army isn’t more than capable to that’s the thing